Nissan Left Customer STRANDED!! (Titan Crank No-Start)

[@armandolios4561]

When you hear your engine start after a malfunction - "oh my baby" I can relate to that. Great job Ivan, as always

[@johnshellenberg1383]

95% of techs would have insisted in replacing that expensive module. This is fantastic work!

[@williamoneal2763]

Thanks for helping us learn. I am 83 and do just about all repairs on my car and other family members. I enjoy working on cars. Never too old to learn. Life is like that. THANKS for all you do.

[@charleshenshaw9099]

That was a great work around and saved the customer a lot of money. Another happy ending.

[@YaksAttack]

Chrysler has the same issue with their TIPM, and it's the same fix. Find the wires, cut em out of the TIPM, wire in an external relay. I also think Eric of south main auto has pulled the TIPM apart and soldered a new relay onto the actual board and fixed it, but that requires a lot more work than just wiring in an external relay.

[@2nickles647]

Worked on a Dodge avenger. Customer took it to a dealer. They told need a new TIPM is required and will need programming. She was told. Buy a used one. So she did. Took to a shop. They installed it. Car still stalling. Shop said new TIPM needed from dealer. She dropped car under my shade tree with old TIPM. Reinstalled original TIPM. CAR still stalls?? Got wiring diagram. Followed it. Found wiring loom connector at front of car clip connector damaged and Connector would not stay together. Cleaned connection. Used tie wraps to hold connectors together. Car started and stayed running. I called Dodge dealer and asked the charge to program a TIPM?. 120.00 per HR. And asked why do you charge to program a FUSE BOX? 😄 Customer is happy. She later sold the car and bought a Jeep. She lives off road and lots of dirt and mud driving. Rough roads.

[@ScottDLR]

@@2nickles647 Pretty sure that jeep has a TIPM too. Got to be one of FCA's worst idea's ever.

[@YaksAttack]

@@ScottDLR I think all new Chryslers products have a TIPM. Some of them got recalled for the fuel pump relay prematurely failing and the dealer fix was to wire the external relay but it can happen to them all. As to why some models got the recall and others didn't? Couldn't tell you.

[@TheFrenchPug]

@@2nickles647 Niceeeee job!!! Disgusting how dealers take advantage of unsuspecting customers.

[@The_Redkween]

I love this kind of thing for older vehicles that you’re just trying to make last longer with as little expense as you can.

[@rafaelmarin1963]

I love it when you can fix a vehicle without having to replace a part. Genius!

[@bombardier3qtrlbpsi]

Great job Ivan. When PHAD shows up for a diagnosis it's always what's best for the customer and the least expensive way when possible.👍👍

[@ginamiller6015]

A genuine diagnosis, by an expert technician, and a cost effective fix, result? A very happy customer! This is the way things should be!!! Thanks for sharing 🥰

[@calholli]

I love the "no parts required" mantra. I've always been this way myself as well, but you take it to the next level with these work-a-rounds. I'll be adopting these hacks for sure. lol

[@RandyInouye]

Love it. Especially leaving information for the next person. I’ve done stuff like this for years. I have a starter switch hidden under the dashboard of my 79 Datsun truck. I didn’t think of theft prevention I’m just cheap.

[@Ram14250]

Wow! Excellent Ivan! You save that owner a lot of money! Good to see a truck with 180K on the odo and still running good!

[@dazasmit2048]

It's good you RELAYed that information to us.

[@adamkeith3625]

That was an absolutely awesome explanation on that. I have someone that was gonna buy a whole other board just to have it running. Your wording and guidance just saved me and them a huge headache. I commend you, sir.

[@dharley189]

Great fix Ivan. I have found those ISO relays on Amazon with the fuse built into the relay. Makes for a tighter setup. Your patience with these engineering disasters is very enviable my friend. I have some cars in Kentucky if you run short of video material ‼️

[@Diagnosedan]

I like it, i like it, i like it🤣 I guess he liked it🤣

[@LANE_LFS]

Thanks! Same to my nissan Titan 2007 6 months seating and everything I do changed but still not run you are so great after I watch your video I did finally is running

[@NeeLogan]

Can you tell me which gray wire

[@MTLeopold]

Bonus points for bonus footage. That's great labeling Ivan, I wish everyone did that. Very important to show the good example.

[@sinistertrucker]

Educational video. No dumb music. Good stuff!

[@AP9311]

Nice job Ivan!! Almost no parts required! Great fix! Thus saving the client money!! Im sure he'll go back to you on other issues or more fixes!! You got another client on your book! Love it!! Great video! Many thumbs-up!!

[@carlosdeleon7475]

Thank you so much!!! My son's 03 armada is having the same problem. We swapped the camshaft sensor and realized the fuel pump wasn't kicking on. Then after much searching and frustration we found out the relay was built in. We ordered another module but I am gonna rig up a relay just in case. Thank mucho!!!

[@wattie1050]

Great repair Ivan ,customer is one happy man .👍

[@andrewvillanueva3722]

Ivan is a master mechanic and can fix everything. Amazing he can fix any car problems.

[@nct9466]

Crazy that a relay isn’t removable...... Nice add on and yes maybe only the external is best maybe

[@walterk1221]

In my arrogant opinion, only relays that are non-critical to vehicle operations, if even those, should be the hidden/non-servicable.

[@jamesspash5561]

Nice work around. Great job ! Just did similar repair with a plow control interface module for an inoperative plow head light. $300 for a new module or a little study of the wiring resulted in a simple jumper install to correct. Yes I'm a cheap guy, was my personal truck.

[@mikerobbins5049]

We need a lot more people like you who understand all this electronic stuff....

[@cleltonkoger872]

Thanks so much. This was the exact fix for my 2008 Titan 5.6. Hooked up the wires....fired right up.

[@NeeLogan]

Hello is it possible you show me. Which gray wire he talking about. I saw 3 gray wire

[@rider547]

Nice work! I was concerned about the parallel connection to the new relay which would have doubled the normal current to the ECM control circuit. But of course, you had already thought of that! Great video!

[@nellyxavier8923]

The ignition power source feed to the relay is wired and protected by fuse .

[@rider547]

@@nellyxavier8923 Yes, but I was concerned about the current on the output of the ECM needed to energize two relay coils in parallel, basically doubling the current on that output. Even though it’s a fraction of the current that is sent to the fuel pump, the output of the ECM is limited to much less than 15A. There was a possibility of burning up the ECM.

[@porky7753]

You saved this guy Ivan, the dealer would of greased him up real good.😂

[@RussellBooth1977]

Aftermarket garbage such as car alarms/engine immobilisers can cause a headache when diagnosing a vehicle which conks out on a person because they're obviously not shown in the vehicles wiring diagram. I had to fix that problem up for my great uncles stepdaughter about 3 months ago & so far there's been no bad news !

[@jaygold4467]

Absolutely brilliant analysis Ivan. Bravo work!

[@mstarbuxcampos]

Honestly you have been the best mechanic that thrived on diagnostics, I get that man thank you so much❤

[@keltecshooter]

Many thanks for labeling the new circuit, had an old Chevy years ago that someone bypassed the fuse box and shoved the replacements out of sight, naturally the left the fuses in the box....

[@r.weaver3769]

Most excellent work Ivan. Fixing it the way it should have left the factory. FYI, I love relays too, like for example, headlight switches that melt after a time, relay removes the current from the switch that caused the failure.

[@jonhagan7378]

I love these real world GSD (get "stuff" done) fixes! Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

[@htownblue11]

Ivan, you are a master at your craft bro. And you use your gifts for the betterment of others.

[@agmc4me]

Wooohoo got up early and a PHAD video. Going to be a good day

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Great diagnostic and better solution! These integrated power modules are a pita and manufacturers are stepping into even more integration, which is bad news for customers. Luckily, there is Ivan to the rescue :-)

[@paulkoontz6095]

Move closer to me, we need someone like you here. Hard to find good honest mechanics anymore

[@swallowinn4410]

Hello Ivan Although it takes a lot more equipment and electrical skills now it is still nice to see that at least some back yard Mechanical repairs are possible. Keep up the good work.

[@Paul-gw6ow]

one of your best videos .

[@rayray9777]

Best part of the video. Document your work. I did low-voltage for years and years. I hated those service calls when you would open up the cabinet or anything and see a bunch of wires not knowing anything it would take a hour at least to figure out what was what too many cooks in the kitchen when they have subcontractors doing all the work. Great video. Seriously it’s the best I’ve ever seen no joke. What diagnostic equipment are you using? What is the refresh rate?

[@shadowtruck5991]

Wow !! No idea what n how you did diagnosis. The(old school) fix is miraculous !! 👍👍👍👍

[@tylerwilliams3868]

very nice find. i had a town and country ( i believe) that has a defected internal fuel pump relay and i remembered the jeep grandcherokee fuel pump relay recall where you do exactly what you did! wired it up and never seen it since!

[@Gemini1694]

Great to see the customers reaction "oh my baby" Good job buddy

[@trekfortruth2841]

Brilliant...sure wish I lived closer to you!

[@TheFrenchPug]

That was very cool Ivan. Great idea and solution. Bill was pumped!!!

[@gary5172]

I really like how you do a *_clean, thorough_* job--no hurry and run. Maybe think about going to electrical Engineering School. I bet you could build all kinds of run-around fixes. Ivan, you make people very happy--if there is a heaven...you will be there one day because of the way you have kindly treated your fellow man

[@plheil]

Yes, 2005-2007 had fuel pump lemons and relay problems strait from the factory. Nissan changed design and manufacturing. But, once relay (IPM) goes……well….your fix is the best answer. Nice Job! Ok👍

[@45AMT]

Awesome fix! We need more Ivans in the world! I've got an 05 Titan. At least this one has good paint. Mine is baked off the top and the hood. The paints don't hold up well here in the hot south. No rust though so I guess it's a trade off.

[@thomasschleis2545]

I like the waterproof relays for outdoor applications, but this will do fine where it is located. Great work as always.

[@baxrok2.]

Unbelievable diag and fix. Well done Ivan!

[@anthonyscorsone9255]

Dude you are the man! I bought and 08 titan that if you let sit for and hour it cranks and cranks then finally starts. I was getting a code for po850 which is a neutral safety switch circuit low. I thought that was the problem this whole time but I’m pretty sure what you described in this video makes way more sense. The only thing my po850 code causes is it for it to start in reverse and drive and my back up lights don’t work. But this has definitely shed a light on what it probably is causing the crank no start it varies with tempature

[@davidmcclain5180]

After working for a major automobile company for almost 30 years, what happens is that the engineer(s) who designed the IPDM is just that, an engineer. Often, these engineers have no automotive experience on the technical/repair side and although they test relays for durability, they cannot duplicate real world driving conditions. So, they run a relay through thousands of tests and if they don't fail, then they say it will never need to be replaced and incorporate it into the fuse box. They aren't concerned with serviceability because in their mind, the part will never fail or the failure rate is very low. I worked with an engineer once that didn't know where the power steering pump that he designed actually fit on the car. I was shocked. I did learn though that often there are very good reasons for how they design things so while it may look stupid to us in the repair field, it makes sense in the manufacturing and safety side of things.

[@scientist100]

Like putting a battery behind the front bumper ... by the tire splash shield liner. The design engineer forgot about the battery and found a nice spot there I guess.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@scientist100 Chrysler likes to put the PCM there as well 😂

[@TheFrenchPug]

Chrysler does all of the opposite. First question, "how can we make this as hard as hell to fix? Alright! Let's do it!!!"

[@predban1374]

Thanks for this video. It has saved me alot of time on a truck I'm working on with the exact same problem.

[@weekendminitoystruckcarclu4632]

I am having an issue with a 2009 pathfinder 5.6 4x4. Okay a loose ground bolt on right side of engine caused a smaller 16 gauge wire on left side of engine to carry all the current when trying to start the vehicle causing it to melt on driver's side inner fender. This wire runs under air box all the way into the main harness runs down the left side of engine behind the intake manifold back to the ipcm & ecm. So I opened the harness pulled the melted wires apart the ones that were showing bare wires and no broken strands I used liquid electrical tape to cover wires and the very bad ground that was melted completely I cut out and soldered a new wire same gauge back to the original grounding point. Checked each wire for proper continuity all the way back to the ecm ( battery disconnect and pulled out of vehicle ) all tested fine. No breaks or other wires touching together anywhere else. Put it all back together and found cop #1,2 & 5 were not sparking. Moved cop around and the coils were working on other cylinders but those 3 1,2,& 5 still had no spark with good known cop. Pulled harness again and found more comprised wires that were melted together deeper into harness fixed them put it all back together and now #1& 5 no spark #2 is working again. I put new cop on the vehicle so ruled out bad coils just to be safe. Checked for codes still getting random misfire no other codes. I guess time to get out the oscilloscope grab my laptop and add this vehicle to my alldata diy to figure this out. I feel like it's the ecm but want to check wave pattern and signal quality to make sure it's the ecm. I hate throwing parts when it's not the part that failed

[@RIVIGS]

GREAT JOB !!💯 I found the #46 wire location thank you.

[@Constabruity]

The IPDM is one of a number of fail points on the Titan Armada platforms. Typically it burns out resulting in a no start no run due to the ECM circuit being burnt. Then you have to replace it or keep swapping the relay over and over until it blows the IPDM fully. Thankfully Nissan actually updated the IPDM and this one doesn’t burn out.

[@gilaminot]

What year did they update the IPDM?

[@stealthg35infiniti94]

Ivan, you know how to think outside the Box! Very good attention to detail with the label.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Outside the Fuse box? 😅

[@NeeLogan]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics hello can you tell me which gray wire. There is like 3 of them

[@ghettsumm7949]

The headlights on my buddy's Buick went out and the dealer wanted $1200. for a new body control module. I told him to buy a relay, toggle switch and some wire and hook it up old school. Saved a lot of money 💰 😌

[@SuperJoes70]

As always back to basics why if failed can't say it enough !! Thank s Ivan

[@jorgefernandez-mv8hu]

Great Job saving the customer money.

[@vwwrenchie314]

A nice repair of Titan ic proportions! 😁👍🇨🇦

[@leroycaudill96]

I wish we had Ivan in our area. Great work Ivan.

[@ScottHolderCrossPoint]

I had nearly the same issue on my Nissan 350Z. It cost $2500 for the stealership to replace the IPDM. I could have bought the IPDM for $800 and done the work myself. I don't think it needed replacing. I think it needed a better diagnosis from someone like you! Needless to say, that was my last visit to the stealership. I sure wish we had someone of your caliber around my area, Ivan!

[@homesold]

Seems like “punishing” the customer to me. Strange how Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus as examples do NOT have these kinds of electrical issues…as in almost never. In my mind, either the external relay should’ve been provided OR the electrical parts need to be built way better, especially if integrating everything together into one expensive unit. Stupid shame for a vehicle to be “totaled” much too soon than it would’ve been if it had more durable or sensibly designed (yes, compared to other brands that have proven it’s doable).

[@craiggoodwin9704]

Wow, what a fix. Think I'm gonna have to watch this one again. Thanks for Sharing!

[@monfrig6959]

the nissan 720 was the best truck i owned 320,000 problem free miles never rebuilt and never had problems with the transmission........best truck ever made

[@noelcastle3986]

Great almost NPR repair cost and time effective and a very happy customer . I am always abit worried by the back EMF of some of these general types of relay coils being much higher than than the original factory relay coils , usually those general kind of block relays have a free-wheeling diode installed across the coil to limit back EMF voltage spikes being produced by deenergising relay coil . I always check those general relays have a internal diode installed across the coil then make sure the polarity of the coil supply has the diode reverse biased when energised so it works correctly.

[@noelcastle3986]

I just checked the video and the block relay you used did have a free wheeling diode installed on the connection diagram on the relay base so it's back EMF protected.

[@woodsontr]

Hey Ivan. Your videos have gotten very good. Thanks for sharing.

[@POBTECH]

I have been having this issue with my 2013 titan for about a year now. Intermittent not starting. The first mechanic charged me $1200 to not fix the issue. The current mechanic was waiting to see the issue . I am going to show him this video and if it resolves the issue you will be my Savior. I was about to sell my truck!

[@MichaelJarbo]

Did this work? Dealer hasn’t been able to help me. Gonna try this I think.

[@GeneG-wk2mz]

Excellent work

[@regreed.508]

Good on brother,I love watching and learning cheers.

[@martinboucaud679]

Great job Ivan. I love it.

[@HeyBirt]

Any relay controlling an inductive load will fail much sooner than the same relay controlling a resistive load. The inductive kick back when the motor is turned off is hard on the contacts. Some relays (for DC loads) may have a snubber diode across the contacts to shunt the back EMF when the motor is turned off but most don't. Add to this that most manufactures won't glue a heavy parts like a relay to the PCB so you have a problem with the solder joints cracking from vibration. Then to hide the relay in a 'module' just adds insult to injury. And what a silly place to put the under hood fusebox Nissan!

[@petar443]

12:00 Now that's one happy customer👍!

[@psdaengr911]

The diode across the coil is there to suppress a back voltage spike caused by removing power from the coil. Depending on the mechanical sensitivity of the relay that might cause a bounce and a momentary contact closure but the main purpose is to prevent the spike from causing noise on the constant supply line. If you reverse the polarity of the supply to the coil, you might cook the diode and blow the fuse but the relay would be fine.

[@robbflynn4325]

Absolute genius (well at least to me). Ivan recently sorted my old Celica, now runs so much better and highway mpg up to 30, previously 26.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That's awesome, Robb! Did the Check Engine light come on with the disabled EGR valve?

[@robbflynn4325]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics yep as expected. It probably came on before I even made it to the end of your half mile long driveway, lol. But as you say no emissions testing in Bedford county so it can stay on!

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Great troubleshooting and fix Ivan 👍

[@Echo024]

I’ve been there and done the exact same fix on an ‘06 Lucerne which also has some of the relays integrated into the fuse box

[@raymondreiff8170]

This is Why I buy Honda's, Honda uses actual removable relays for the fuel pump, Last time I checked 🧐. By the way Great repair like always 👍.

[@davidworsley7969]

Well done Ivan-I think even Eric O would approve !! Or maybe not (He gets quite grumpy about "Efter murket garrbage" !!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

LOL

[@alrifainidal]

Nice work , well done

[@JOHNSUE28]

Ivan, Impressive repair. You got through the confusion of the customers attempted repairs. Just curious how much total time was involved? Great Job as always.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

About 2 hours.

[@TheFrenchPug]

2 hours not bad at all with recording it too. Impressive.

[@DAKOTANSHELBY]

Visited State College, PA a few years ago on business with the local International Truck dealer there. Beautiful region of PA, though the community appeared somewhat depressed economically.

[@billziegmond4943]

Great diagnostic and work around.

[@annierenard5954]

excellent solution, thank you for this video

[@bobwhite1734]

I have a 2014 Ram 3500 6.7L diesel with only 10.4 volts from PCM to MAF. I checked it at PCM (10.4 V) and its supposed to be battery voltage. Have you ever seen anything like this? great videos. keep them coming. thanks for great video information.

[@jameslewis1175]

I like how u labeled that. 🏷

[@senanfoutchedjev2401]

Иван е човека. Ivan is the Man. Thanks

[@brianw8963]

Nice work Ivan. 👍

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

N I C E ! Your experience is showing!

[@zupmeoff]

Are the parts shortages enough to make repair shops reevaluate the way they repair vehicles yet? This was a quality fix without just replacing a OEM part. There may be a lot more of the out of the box thinking going on as supplies shortages get worse.

[@Jtron0001]

I know this is a really old video but gray wrie with white on the side Or just plain gray wire ??

[@rusty90richardson]

I've got the same question. I'm assuming either of the 2 small gray wires on the small white connector to the left and below the connector with the blk/yel and blu/wht? Anyone know for sure if I'm correct or not?

[@clueless6559]

Great job , it will be interesting to see when workarounds are attempted on electric vehicles , lol

[@aranhaydar9195]

Great fix and great bonus footage :)

[@bradnoss6824]

Ivan, awesome video! By far one of the best I’ve seen! I have a 2005 Titan and I’ve had issues with my relays and fuel pump. I’ve changed them both but I still have had issues. I want to add this as a preventative fix, but want to clarify what you did: Pin 30 connects to battery Pin 85 to gray wire Pin 86 to blue/white wire Pin 87 to black/yellow wire or to fuel pump Now you cut the gray and black/ yellow wire and direct connected them. Did you cut the blue/white wire too and direct connect to it? It was the only part of the video that was difficult to affirm.

[@DependableAutoTruck]

would be nice if you could supply a wiring diag for us to either screenshot or download to put in our files when needed thanks

[@dustcommander100]

I love it when the evil engineering of the dastardly designers is circumvented by a thinking technician with a simple solution! Either they don't care about the customer or are intentionally ripping him off.

[@ckm-mkc]

Never ascribe malice when it can be explained by stupidity....

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

I subscribe to that :-)

[@Jtron0001]

Which gray wire there is one gray wire with white on the side located top row same row as the black and yellow and blue and white and then there is another thinner all grey wire second row plz explain

[@NeeLogan]

@@Jtron0001hello has you figured out it out

[@gulodonamreh2270]

Great job. Is there anyway you can send me the wires colors and where its wired to the relay. I would really appreciate it. What size fuse is in the inline fuse holder Thanks in advance.

[@stigonutube]

very good bypass solution..wish we had gotten that 2005 v8 titan engine here in Australia but we did not :(