Karlov Manor Set Review: The List & Special Guests | Magic: the Gathering Limited

[@ElPanadero18]

Did you consider that Ixidor’s buff effect is symmetrical in his grade?

[@10freekie2]

Considering his arguments, nope. I missed it too. Makes it a buildaround in a colour with less disguise synergies…

[@TIMTIMEdits]

NEVER STOP DOING THESE NIZZAHON! It's literally what i look forward to the most before each prerelease. Ty ty ty

[@penguindrummer252]

I want at least one person to Show and Tell out Worldspine in 2024 draft. If I played draft I think I'd spec on that against my better judgement if I ever opened either card.

[@ElPanadero18]

I’m interested to see how these cards feel in the new play boosters. It’ll be an interesting draft experience.

[@levirynearson5800]

Damn dude. You are cranking out the videos. Good job and thanks for the set reviews always helpful.

[@Malavander]

I suspect the more common Magmaw use case is finishing your opponent by sacrificing your board rather than pinging things.

[@sufifi]

It's unlikely to ever happen but I gotta admit, playing Show and Tell on turn 3 and putting Worldspine Wurm on the battlefield seems pretty sweet

[@LazarusIsBackBaby]

Likewise cascading into Footfalls!

[@olipod5470]

And you just reminded me Show and Tell is in the format… oh boy

[@RobotDCLXVI]

There is a higher chance that your opponent has worldspire worm when you have show and tell than you having both.

[@bartoffer]

Ahh, but keep an eye out for the vaunted (on Arena) combination of Possibility Storm and Worldspine Wurm. Terribly garbage, but that I managed to pull it off once back during DGM remains a fond moment.

[@artificialfreedom]

Ixidors bonus is symmetrical, I think he needs a build-around grade. Where did you get the info which cards appear in the bonus sheet?

[@sallomon2357]

On the wiki or Daily MTG (article from January 19 called "What's New on the List for Murders at Karlov Manor")

[@robertgamsby51]

Tragic Slip has some great art

[@AmataTai]

Happy about Kuldotha for the arena Pauper deck I have ^~^

[@Tsunami-]

14:10 what do you rate an actual basic plains? a C?

[@theEevee098]

The first time I ever won a prerelease was because I pulled 2 High Alerts! I am excited that I have the chance to pull another, even if I can't make it work

[@Shimatzu95]

Footfalls ia the kind of card that might just make you mulligan verry agressivly to try and get. That said its hard to tell it thats a good idea in limited or not.

[@eduardolopes762]

High Alert + big ass 17 toughness green creature = trophy. Idc that it's 3 colours and two hard to come by cards, it's totally A+ (/s)

[@alaraplatt8104]

that fotd art is pretty awesome

[@BoomSpoon-cp8jq]

I believe Maverick Thopterist was originally from Aether Revolt, not Origins. But that's an easy confusion to have, given we were introduced to Kaladesh as a plane in Magic Origins. The U/R signpost was indeed artifact-themed as well, one "Reclusive Artificer".

[@sallomon2357]

Improvise was introduced in Aether Revolt, so yes, the Thopterist is from the Kaladesh block

[@JeanValjean875]

Would these cards appear in an arena draft?

[@dantehidemark1397]

Yes. Although, as he said, three of the cards from "the List" is swapped to other cards.

[@rin2012]

quint is actually super good with suspicious target. a card in his only colours and for 4 mana he’ll make a 5/3 menace every turn provided that one dies

[@stephenb5085]

Mystery key is actally serious. How many times you get a brusier theyvdont block, get 2 extra turns and kill the brusier without you killing anything in limited is real. If you're ahead, you now stay ahead with 3 cards. Or, they crush thier own board getting real value out of your creature they don't want to block. In limited thatsceasily a c+ B

[@thevaultwalrus]

WORDSPLINE WURM + SHOW AND TELL GG

[@kaiseremotion854]

isn't the reanimate in this set instant speed so you can reanimate the worldspine wurm yea?

[@PhyrexianFleshgorger]

Gets shiffled into your deck. In the cards text .. 😅

[@jinxed7915]

There is a 5 mana instant speed reanimation spell, but setting that is with discarding the Wurm... I dunno about that. I'd rather do some Show n Tell/Wurm shenanigans

[@nathanielmarks1754]

Magmaw is a hilarious pun. I just wanted to note that.

[@pauljimerson8218]

Death oud should at least have a small build around if you have lots of tokens it could be alright

[@cowboydan9450]

Love your videos, as always. I was wondering, why do you think Wizards likes these bonus sheet type thing so much recently? Seems strange to me, especially when many of the cards don’t play well in limited. Is it just so this set of cards sees another round of legality in standard?

[@NizzahonMagic]

Well, play boosters aren't only for draft, so it makes sense.

[@Eszik3]

The bonus sheet cards, or in this case the list/special guests aren't legal in standard Some of them are here as nice build-arounds for limited, other are just reprints for commander or other eternal formats (like doubling season or rhystic study in the WOE bonus sheet)

[@Hylianlink51047]

I thought the whole selesnya theme for this set was +1 +1 counters. Not that it really makes laid to rest better

[@NizzahonMagic]

The Selesnya theme is Disguise, and some of it makes counters. But it isn't really the focus.

[@Hylianlink51047]

@@NizzahonMagic I normally agree with you, especially because of the signpost uncommon. But in this case, if you look at all the uncommon and common cards in green, white, and selesnya, there are 14 cards that care or synergize with +1 +1 counters, but only 12 that synergize or include Disguise.

[@kaichou902]

I don't like how arena has different cards from paper.

[@j_g_t6091]

It's basically its own game at this point. It has its own mechanics, its own "fixed" cards, and its own formats that are impossible to play in paper.

[@kaichou902]

@@j_g_t6091 The thing is, I understand the logic behind alchemy even if I disagree with it (and it was introduced poorly imho). But what is the point of replacing baleful mastery with the copter?

[@sallomon2357]

​@@kaichou902 I guess these cards are already on Arena so they want to introduce some new ones? The Copter e.g. probably wasn't a part of Kaladesh Remastered cause at the time it was banned in Pioneer. Now it got unbanned there and in Explorer so it makes sense for it to be (re)introduced on Arena. I dunno though wjy instead of Baleful Mastery they didn't replace the Bishop e.g., it's basically useless in the format.

[@kaichou902]

@@sallomon2357 No I get that they want to introduce new cards, but there is no need to do it in a way that creates a difference between paper and arena. Just drop those 3 new cards in arena in an update.

[@tomscud]

Quintorius could be good but only in a five-color soup deck, which probably will be doable sometimes.

[@kaseybennett7415]

Wait so...why are the special guests different on arena?

[@NizzahonMagic]

The special guests aren't. Three "The List" cards are.

[@kaseybennett7415]

@@NizzahonMagic though that is an accurate correction, it does still leave me wondering why :)

[@Grmieves787]

Ixidor is symmetrical

[@geefron]

Great use of the word "inordinate"

[@ab-mc2nq]

field of the dead hurts lol

[@Solus3D]

Is weird how some of the most powerful cards in commander, Legacy and Vintage are useless in limited.

[@olipod5470]

If you cloak Worldspine Wurm and it dies face down, its ability won’t trigger and it won’t get shuffled into your library. It’s a narrow scenario but cloaking this is absolutely insane, your opponent will NEVER see it coming and it’s a win the game button so you want to do it anyways. Its main issue is pretty much the lack of cloak cards in the format.

[@NizzahonMagic]

If you cloak it, you still need 11 mana to turn it face up.

[@PhyrexianFleshgorger]

​​​@@NizzahonMagic😅 Amazing vids as usual man!

[@PhyrexianFleshgorger]

No one will see that coming! 🎉😂 I LOVE MTG. 🎉❤

[@superspen97]

So.. half of this is timeless masters?

[@SSJ3Goku69]

I think you vastly underrated Combine Chrysalis. Churning out a bunch of 4/4 flyers will simply overwhelm your opponent. Why pay 2 and draw a card with a clue when you can destroy your opponent with flyers? A 4/4 flyer is quite often better than the cards in your deck anyway. I think it's a B and will potentially dominate in the mid to late game.

[@poiri]

Yes, if you have clues lying around it’s definitely better to make beasts, I don’t think anyone is arguing against that. You need 6 mana and a token to make the first beast and then even more tokens to get more value out of it. I don’t necessarily agree with how low Nizzahon put it, but it’s far too unreliable and slow to be a B imo.

[@teradul2480]

Weren't they going to revitalize The List? This is basically just as bad as it was previously, but now it hits limited for some reason.

[@RobotDCLXVI]

Evolutionary Leap isnt constrained by sorcery speed. You do it in response to losing a creature if is targeted by removal or wouldnt trade in combat. Seems C level to me. The cost is low.

[@NizzahonMagic]

That's not nearly as useful as you would think. It was bad last time in Limited, there's nothing about this format that will change that.

[@jeremysamuelson9059]

I feel like you must have misread Drown in the Loch. It doesn’t kill your opponent. It counters a spell or it kills a creature. You’ve even mentioned in other videos how good surveil is in this format as lots of decks will want to have cards in their graveyards. It should also stand to reason that it shouldn’t be to hard to be in a position to counter an important spell or kill a creature.

[@jeremysamuelson9059]

It doesn’t *mill your opponent. (Autocorrect)

[@NizzahonMagic]

It doesn't mill, but they need cards in graveyard for it to work.

[@matthewkeeling886]

That version of Quintorius is emblematic of everything wrong with the card design for Standard Boros decks for almost a half decade at this point. Narrow, slow, and requires a lot of set up for a relatively minor benefit in a color pair that should be all about speed and efficiency in its play style. It and Laid to Rest do tell you when they finalized this list of cards though, neither actually did much in any format and one is still in Standard doing nothing to this day.

[@tomscud]

I'm guessing that Gnaw to the Bone is just an F because most (all?) graveyard decks are going to be exiling stuff from the graveyard as they go along. Gnaw was good because you could gain absurd amounts of life once you'd milled 2/3 of your library but it just won't happen in this format.

[@netanelaker4437]

With Show and Tell you can live the dream of cheating Worldspine Wurm!

[@olipod5470]

Not all these cards are useful for draft, but I think they managed to make it a pretty good balance between interesting cards that bring something to the format and chase cards for constructed players and collectors. Some of them are both!

[@chrisharrison2900]

The list and special guest are the biggest disappointment for this set. Too many cards that are un-playable in limited and very few chase cards. With the cost increase of draft this will hurt sales in the short term. There is no reason to open packs. I also should add that there are roughly 3 List cards per box and 1 Guest per 2 boxes.

[@conovan5081]

This list is so random, wtf

[@sallomon2357]

Some of them fit the format, some seem to be for constructed, and then there are the two Vampire synergy cards which seem to be leftovers from the LCI List, especially cause both are already on Arena. So yeah, I agree.

[@diogonascimento9437]

Most of the cards from the list are very underwhelming

[@bonidc6732]

aaaaaaaa

[@thefreshproduce]

garbage list they need to add more cards that are not already on arena

[@greenphoenix17]

Eh how is Krosan Tusker a B- when you just gave the strictly better Topiary Panther from this set a C?! The Panther is actually way better too lol

[@NizzahonMagic]

That's not what strictly better means. Panther is the more efficient creature. But when you cycle tusker, you get two cards, not one.

[@greenphoenix17]

Apologies you're right, I missed the draw a card combined with land cycling. Although I do think these cards very comparable & closer in power level then you gave credit. @@NizzahonMagic