No, Luke Skywalker Isn't a Mary Sue

[@ardilloardilloso3382]

Karens don't even understand what a Mary Sue is.

[@jovenc4508]

A website literally named "the Mary Sue" doesn't even understand what a Mary Sue is. Not that I'm surprised.

[@Noscopenoproblem]

They want to redefine the term "Mary-Sue" into meaning "Sexist buzzword used by chuds to describe a female protagonist not created by a straight white man.". They only call Luke a Mary-Sue because they don't know how to criticize Luke for Rey's sake.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

@@jovenc4508 When you realize the site is only named that because they are trying to "stick it to the privileged white male nazi bigot racists", the fact that they don't know anything about the word is just a logical thing. After all they heard weebs on the internet use it, so it must be a sexist slur against the hard working and talented women out there.

[@lordsinister707]

They dont care as long as it's a strong wahmen

[@cristoff30]

You could write a small pamphlet with the shit they DO know.

[@insertclevernamehere1186]

Rey isn't a Skywalker... *She didn't get any of her limbs cut off.*

[@ethanhartman7329]

Star wars logic be like.

[@generalmemous2295]

Ah yes my master cut that Anakin *cough* skinwalker's hand of.

[@marble4052]

or any scars

[@morganmosley5136]

True dat

[@LargeAmoeba]

That would require her to actually have the consequences.

[@sirmount2636]

Luke spends the whole trilogy failing. He wins in the end.

[@rainbowman2184]

That ain’t a Mary Sue, that’s called “Character Development”...

[@phillipwattsjr.4714]

Never mind all the times Han wanted to smack him!

[@marc789]

he also only won against vader by using his anger.

[@nicholasrandall3507]

@@marc789 Which defeated the entire reason he went. His "victory" was hollow, thus he gave it up in pursuit of his original goal of saving his father. Complexity like that is beyond the film writers of today, unfortunately.

[@cosuinofdeath]

That’s called the hero’s journey

[@DocWolph]

"Luke Sky Walker is a Mary Sue. Rey was better." "True that. Luke Skywalker was a horrible Mary Sue. Rey is a textbook perfect Mary Sue."

[@Danaluni59]

That’s the reality of the SJDub logic, Luke struggled and grew, Mary Sue just knew and tore him in two without barely trying.

[@Mr.Ekshin]

1977 - I was a little kid watching force-sensitive farmboy Luke's introduction to the force. 1980 - Padawan learner Luke gets his ass handed to him by Vader who toys with him like a cat playing with a mouse. 1983 - Jedi Knight Luke is still being outclassed by Vader and the emperor. Only his father's return saves him. 2020 - Jedi MASTER Luke finally shows up in his prime. Seriously.... I waited FORTY-THREE YEARS to finally see Luke reach his full potential. In these "sequels", Rey showed up and started kicking everyone's ass almost immediately. She somehow went from being a force-sensitive junk collector to Jedi Master in like 3 years. PS - Wanna see the same Mary Sue tale, except it's set in China? Watch Mulan. I expect this is the new formula that Disney has settled on for their princesses. Instead of the old "rags to riches" tale, it's now the "rags to god-like powers" tale.

[@telephonepole8366]

@@Mr.Ekshin The new mulan that is. The old one is incredibly different from the new mulan

[@frodobaggins2328]

@@telephonepole8366 yeah, the old one is actually a hero’s journey. The new one is...something else

[@rhyscallinan4402]

Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half

[@Nemesis0921]

Luke tried to take on Vader and failed, dude lost a whole hand. Rey beat Kylo Ren her first time using a lightsaber.

[@andyz2861]

That would require actually watching The Empire Strikes Back to know, something that few Star Wars "fans" on The Mary Sue have ever done.

[@andyz2861]

@@Sciuridae I prefer calling her Darthleen Kennedy the Woke, but YMMV

[@rubensustaita6109]

Kylo literally got shot by a wookiee bowcaster. You should be more upset about Kyle straight up not dying than his losing to Rey. It makes sense actually, as he was shot by Chewbacca.

[@countofdownable]

He needed Kenobi to rescue him twice, three if you count Ghost advice during Death Star battle.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@rubensustaita6109 Dude had no problem beating Finn's ass, and he was a highly trained soldier. Hell, from what we're shown of with how the force works in Disney, he could've been using to keep himself from bleeding out and keep on fighting like it was nothing like he was a anime character.

[@LordHollow]

Leia walked past Chewie to hug Rey when Han was killed...

[@davidwatts3048]

really?? hfs. i wouldnt know cause i didnt see any of the SJW wars but wow

[@whitebeardskydaddy6756]

Yeah, a flipping stranger!

[@rebeccaschroder3000]

@@whitebeardskydaddy6756 poor chewie does not get any love, Also fuck Rey.

[@LordHollow]

It was in slomo too, iirc.

[@Rodshark75]

That I will agree was utter bullshit

[@andyz2861]

"So, I was reading The Mary Sue..." "That...is why you fail."

[@wilpuriarts5895]

Magazine Mary Sue doesn’t know what Mary Sue means.

[@stijnvdv2]

@@wilpuriarts5895 Yeah. What makes a Mary Sue boring is 'that she's perfect in everything'. If that's the case there is no storyline coz you know in advance that Mary Sue will surpass any obstacle in her way with ease. Essentially it's taking a hero movie and taking the hero's journey out of it.

[@ThePathStrider]

I always figured that reading The Mary Sue directly is like looking into The Ark Of The Covenant.

[@ninjablack4347]

I visit the site just for fun. "How the peanut butter you choose helps white supremacy"

[@grayski3324]

@@ninjablack4347 They can't be taking themselves seriously, right?

[@Happymasks]

The definitive moment for me was when she was able to SWIM in that large lake. Despite being raised on a desert planet where water was such a rarity that rain mesmerized her the first time she saw it.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Both Rian Johnson and J.J. Abrams are equally incompetent writers, and watching them undo what the other did was the most enjoyable and funny part about the Disney Travesty.

[@tomirexthereal]

Yeah like Luke had to learn swimming idk where it was prob. a comic or so but HE HAD TO LEARN IT AND REY JUST KNEW IT

[@Mega-Jon]

The Mary Sue: “lUke sKyWalKer iS a MarY sUe, rEy iS bEtTer.” Just some guy: “Unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way.”

[@dedalionarts6077]

Couldn t agree more....

[@michaelzaiser8088]

If history even bothers to remember Ray.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Ye, but what they don't consider is that if both are Mary Sues, how can Rey be better? Ah, right, because she's a WAHMAN!!

[@SuperDababy2]

I missed that Darth Maul meme

[@sirgonk988]

*YOU* are a true Gonk Droid

[@ivancorredera4241]

Rey isn’t just a Mary Sue, she is the Mary Sue. Her entire character embodies the characteristics of a Mary Sue. She barely struggles and defeats some of the most powerful force users with less than a year of training. She gets Anakin and Leia’s Lightsaber, Po’s droid, Chewbacca’s ship, and even steals the Skywalker name. The ‘Rise’ of Skywalker ends with a literal descendant of Palpatine taking the Skywalker name. What a joke.

[@deathsdoor07]

Correction. Rey stole Han's ship and Chewie.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Don't forget how she's instantly liked and trusted by everyone, to the point that Leia sent her and Chewie (instead of literally any other experienced resistance member) to find Luke with that stupid map. And how even the big bad evil guy falls for her to the point of _dying_ to bring her back to life.

[@tragedyplustime8271]

@@DonVigaDeFierro The fact Leia sends Rey to see Luke and doesn't go herself makes no sense.

[@Rodshark75]

@@tragedyplustime8271 Um, she was a general coordinating and leading the remanents of the resistance. If both of their iconic leaders disappeared it would be disastrous for morale and recruitment. Rey was needing a trainer and was expendable for the search.

[@fantasywind3923]

@@Rodshark75 yeah but she had plenty of people who would have commanded in her absence, hell even freakin admiral Ackbar would do a great job, he was a senior experienced military commander who fought in the galactic civil war before, the way sequels treated his character and killed him off was almost insulting, but of course they wanted to get rid of the most experienced admiral to have Holdo take over, the worst commander in history (well they incapacitated Leia anyway in the Last Jedi so it would be the same if she went with Rey but at least Leia would have her moment and there woudl be some emotional reunion, but nope).

[@galenmarek2943]

My son wasn't a Mary Sue neither was I.

[@adrianchatman5734]

Lmao!! You tell em Anakin!!!

[@holynightwingfan4510]

You might not have had the high ground on Obi Wan, but when it comes to crazy Karens and SJWs you are a mountain away

[@galenmarek2943]

@@holynightwingfan4510 Aww Thanks Nightwing

[@omnimonramone8459]

Mary Sues are worse than sand.

[@hayleybartek8643]

@@omnimonramone8459 They're coarse, rough, irritating, get everywhere, and demanding.

[@GanonGhidorah]

"George Lucas _obviously_ created _Luke S._ in his own image." I feel like this woman would be _very interested_ to learn that the original draft of Star Wars was centered around not Luke, but instead _"Dak Starkiller"_ who not only was _not_ an insert for George Lucas, he was also an Alien Reptile-Man. But knowing her type, she'd probably plug her ears and screech over what you're saying. But it really is astonishing how facts can be twisted to suit conclusions, isn't it?

[@Vigriff]

Now I'm wondering what Star Wars would have been like if Dak Starkiller, the Alien Reptile-Man, was the MC.

[@DarthDevorin]

"The ability to write for The Mary Sue does not make you intelligent."

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

“Quite the opposite in fact.”

[@whitebeardskydaddy6756]

Absolutely. And, if you mention the reporter or Gail Simone, 99.9999999999999999999999999% of people would ask, "Who?" Queen of her own delusions of grandeur! The reporter probably thinks she's famous too! "Celebrities!"

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@@whitebeardskydaddy6756 I only remember Gail Simone for the massive temper tantrum she threw when Birds of Prey bombed.

[@welderbear6757]

@@DonVigaDeFierro and it was hilarious. Better then the actual movie

[@faustomadebr]

Best Jedi ever!!!

[@scooplerz9071]

Ep 4 Luke: Fails to save his aunt and uncle, gets KO’d by raiders, only manages to destroy death star with help from Han and Ben. Ep 5 Luke: Gets KO’d by a wampa, has to be saved by Han, gets arm sliced off by Vader and barely escapes Cloud City alive. Ep 6 Luke: Finally a Jedi knight, only defeats the emperor by finally convincing his father that he’s still good inside, doesn’t blow up the 2nd Death Star. Sure, Luke’s a Gary sue, and I’m a freaking shark.

[@morganb6717]

*hand sliced off. if you stub your toe, is your whole leg wounded?

[@rebeccaschroder3000]

@@morganb6717 did you ever stub a toe? It hurts like hell.

[@threeofakind9933]

Even Wedge had to help him in the Death Star attack. He shot down one TIE who was tailing Luke and bought him a few seconds from Vader in the trench.

[@guardsmanwithcripplingdepr4594]

Don't forget the part in episode 4 luke was gonna get the piss stomped out of him back in the bar a couple of filthy xenos who didn't like him because of how he look and Obi-Wan has to save his ass

[@grinningchicken]

Its worse than that. Even after becoming a Jedi when fighting Jabbas guards its tough fight and he almost loses to the Rankor in the shootout he gets hit in the robot hand. He gets captured by Ewoks. Luke is unable to convince his father to leave Palpatine. The Emperor taunts Luke into trying to kill him which starts the fight with Vader. That fight is more or less a tie until Luke turns to the Darkside loses control briefly and chops his fathers hand off in a fit of rage. Then Luke has no answer for Palpatines force lightning gets fried and loses the fight. This is after training on his own and mentoring by top Jedi teachers. The result was an ass kicking by a well trained force user. Battle hardened well trained Anakin ended up dismembered and burnt to a crisp after making questionable decisions and feeling overconfident about his powers. You kind of wonder if these people even watched the movies or did they just hear about them.

[@wolfsbane1293]

Fake fans are so annoying. Usually they just coming, change what made it great then kick out the real fans for not being with their rubbish. Then once the fandom is in cinders they move on to whatever is popular.

[@sweetcinnamonpnchkin]

Like Supernatural or JOJO’s Bizarre Adventure.

[@adrianchatman5734]

They're locusts.

[@Mpetey123]

You sound like a fellow Trekker

[@kamui003]

@@sweetcinnamonpnchkin I think Supernatural was consumed long ago.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@adrianchatman5734 Precisely what I was thinking

[@mitchryan257]

“His sister is a hundred times more competent, but Luke is the chosen one.” So what she’s saying here is that Luke ISN’T a Mary Sue 🤔

[@InfernosReaper]

The best part about the OT was that *none* of the characters were perfect and *everyone* contributed in some meaningful way to taking down The Empire

[@DrDolan2000]

Except Luke isn't the chosen one, Anakin is, so she got that wrong

[@Speedstreak]

That's true. Luke struggled a lot to become a strong Jedi Master. He wanted adventure, lost his uncle and aunt, was taught by Obiwan until Darth Vader struck Obiwan, nearly died on Hoth, left his training with Yoda early to save his friends, lost his hand to Darth Vader due to his inexperience, was tempted by the Dark side, but after facing Vader again, stood up against Palpatine and brought Anakin back to the light side.

[@MrKago1]

really, his only successes were destroying the 1st death star, resisting the Dark Side and turning Anakin back to the Light. everything else he fucked up.

[@3characterhandlerequired]

@@MrKago1 And even that turning Anakin back was not by using force, just a son asking help from his father when Palpatine was killing him. He was being beaten even then. He did save Han from Huts though, but he wasn't "most powerful thing ever that never fails" like Rey was.

[@videogenics86]

@@3characterhandlerequired so true, had Anakin not chosen to save his son Luke would've died right there.

[@videogenics86]

@@MrKago1 and he's SUCH a Mary sue that he needs help from both a ghost and Han to do it. If Han hadn't shown up Luke would've met the same fate as all of Gold group and most of Red group. Vader would have ended Luke with out Han and Han MISSED Vader. If memory serves only one member of gold group survives and of Red group only Wedge and Luke survive.

[@devinbrown544]

Not to mention he almost lost to Palpatine until vader stepped in

[@adriannaranjo4397]

Luke just wanted to race with his friends Almost got killed by Sand People Sucked at lightsaber training at first Failed to save his mentor Didn't complete his training and got his hand chopped off for it

[@fromeggman]

Luke and Anakin's failures haunt them for all their days, Ma'Rey Sue never has her failures haunt her as they all turn out to be positives. Real Mary Sue's don't have to deal with their failures in any meaningful ways.

[@whitebeardskydaddy6756]

You're right, of course. But they cry all the time anyway!

[@camarokidbb4347]

Mah-Rey *suuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUe!*

[@MaddesG1]

She lost her thicc man ben swollo. He had to kiss her and for that he died. Kylos character made the uktimate sacrifice. Adam Driver had to play some guy suffering through middleschool syndrom only to discover that force kuddies have the power to end movies.

[@pizzam4nn]

@@MaddesG1 poor Adam, he carried the entire sequel trilogy...

[@jackthegreek6092]

Oh yeah Rey not having parents or not managing to save Han Solo or turn Kylo Ren dont haunt her? Riiight....

[@sharkdentures3247]

AND (as Literature Devil said in his video), Luke wouldn't have even SURVIVED in the first movie if not for his companions! 1) The Tuskan Raiders probably would have killed him if Ben hadn't shown up. 2) The thugs in the cantina would have killed him if Obi-Wan hadn't saved him. 3) Han's, Chewie's & yes, even Leia's actions allowed them all to escape the Death Star. (sure he contributed, but that is it) 4) Even R2 & C3PO saved him from the trash compactor! 5) Oh & Han & Chewie showing up to get Vader off of Luke's back is what ALLOWED Luke to make that shot! Luke had a total of THREE "force" moments in Star Wars. When he blocked the practice drones tiny energy shots when he couldn't see. (admittedly impressive & even cool) When (encouraged by Ghost Obi-wan) did a powerful strafing run on one small portion of the Death Star during the assault. (slightly enchancing his targeting skill & combat instincts) And making that final shot! (again encouraged by Ghost Obi-wan and again slightly enchancing his targeting skill) THAT IS IT! In Force Awakens? No one ELSE would have survived if not for REY! (basically, the reverse situation!) SHE never needed ANY help from anyone else! In fact, everyone else was just a burden to her. Even the "rescue" from Star Killer base was unneeded because she escaped on her own! So? . . . .WHO is the Mary Sue?

[@mikeever7306]

I always like when he heard Ben Kenobi on the death star run and just proceeded to blow shit up without questioning the voice in his head

[@christophermonteith2774]

amazingly put

[@InfernosReaper]

@@mikeever7306 It was the same voice that told him to get the hell off the Death Star instead of trying to fight it out with a blast, like an idiot, so already a proven voice of reason.

[@kohaiame2691]

@@InfernosReaper He also had to be saved by the voice telling him to run, because if he didn't hear the voice he would have likely tried to stay and fight; getting himself killed by stormtroopers.

[@inky5574]

Rey: *Gets all the powers of the Force and never loses a fight* Karen: No, she's not a Mary Sue, quit being a man baby. Luke: *Struggles to learn the Force and gets his ass handed to him a bunch of times* Karen: Luke is a Mary Sue

[@camelthegamer7165]

Here here!

[@wolfgangallanalhazred802]

Nonsense! Now allow me, an elitist virtue signaling sexist in denial that doesn't even care about Star Wars, inform you of how toxic of a fan you are!

[@dragonwaz]

eh, sort of. He's not really a Mary Sue no but he only fully loses once when he starts training with Yoda to be a Jedi and that's when he gets his hand cut off by Vader. He chose to lose to Palpatine and it was what won him Vader in the process. He fucks off his training against Yoda's better judgment and when he comes back Yoda is dying and unable to train him . Yet next movie Luke is suddenly a "Jedi master like my father before me" and can suddenly beat Vader in a fight. To be hones though if you look through all the lore the Force is really just codified plot armor in general and Rey's abilities make as much sense as they need to in canon even if it would have been better for them not to lean on the Force as a plot device. There are multiple cases of Jedi who used the force as a crutch to win against stronger foes. All you really need is to know how to meditate and you can let the Force act directly through you to it's own ends. That does mean if it wants you to lose you're gonna lose though. The force can show you the future a a macro and micro scale, Prophecy's and Battle Sense, but it can pull away that support as well. It gives the Jedi a vague enough prophecy to literally lead to the wholesale slaughter of all the Jedi the Sith can manage. In the extended lore (legends now) there was a Jedi who specialized in letting the force act through him that fought a powerful foe and the force sent him a vision of the future that in him dying here it would lead to a Sith turning from the darkside later on before leaving him to either accept that fate willingly and die or die trying to stop it.

[@wolfgangallanalhazred802]

@@dragonwaz Not to mention that pretty much everything Rey does in the movies is possible, it's just very hard to pull off and established in other forms of media besides the movies, so it seems to come out of nowhere.

[@ICantThinkOfAUser-ds6nb]

@@wolfgangallanalhazred802 it’s not that that makes Rey a Mary Sue, it’s the fact that she can do all those abilities without any real training.

[@z2ei]

The "thing he's never flown before" is an easy sign for "someone who didn't pay attention." He mentions that the controls are like the T-16 he used to fly back home. It's establishing background. I wonder if the author has a problem with Ripley in Aliens, who does the same thing with her power loader certification.

[@grinningchicken]

Kenobi also mentions Luke is a pilot. Not like Rey just exclaims "I'm a pilot." and then proceeds to do complicated maneuvers in a barley functioning not fueled derelict cargo ship while under fire and pursued by fighter craft. Then even when Chewbacca is on board hes her copilot even though its a ship hes been in for 40-50 years.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

I watched Ep. IV for Christmas again, and I realized that *Luke was never supposed to take the shot:* Some rebel alliance members ask if what they try is even possible, and Luke just says it is possible, because he used to hit targets of the same size back home. The Y-wings of Golden squadron were the ones supposed to take the shot... But as you know, they were all destroyed. It was only then that the Red squadron was forced to take the shot, and Porkins' tragic death and brave sacrifice will never be forgotten. Luke was the only one available after mostly all Red members were shot down, and he would have been shot down if Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon didn't appear in time. So yeah, SJWs are very wrong on that one...

[@thelaughingrouge]

@@DonVigaDeFierro THANK YOU! Everyone forgets this! The X Wing FIGHTERS were there to cover the Y wing BOMBERS! Luke, Biggs and Wedge only made the run cuz they were like the last guys left alive.

[@Deuteromis]

@@grinningchicken Don't forget the fact that if you watch the original trilogy, whenever the Falcon is doing crazy maneuvers, two people are needed at the controls.

[@grinningchicken]

@@Deuteromis Even a scene like kid Anakin blowing up a droid ship is foreshadowed by him being trained and the best pod racer. The idea a random scavenger who makes a stealing random part would be a better pilot that a storm trooper is crazy. Its like a random homeless person being able to drive in the Indianapolis 500 but not a police officer.

[@jwt6577]

This is nothing new, since second wave feminism hit the scene they've demanded characters that are already heroes or competent out of the gate because they believe themselves to be. They don't listen to anyone but themselves they refuse training and they never understand why they aren't in charge minutes after walking into a situation. They believe that "The Hero's Journey" means "I'm a hero and this is my journey" instead of "I learned how to be a hero along the way." They turned it into the Cinderella tale of "I was already perfect but no one paid attention." Now that they rule over mass market entertainment with an iron fist those will be the only stories that will be told. There will be no more Luke Skywalkers. No Frodos. No Peter Parkers. Only Reys, Riri Williams and Carol Danvers from here on out.

[@Speedstreak]

We must not let that happen. The reason why we like heroes like Spiderman, Luke Skywalker, Iron Man, Frodo, and many others because they struggled to become better. That's where we connect with them.

[@jwt6577]

@@Speedstreak It's already happened. Past tense. I'm sorry to break it to people but the "culture war" has been lost.

[@kylamamber9080]

@@jwt6577 We can still write our own stories. Bring it all back again. It'll take some time, but real heroes will come around again.

[@lonelytraveler6335]

Sad thing is Carol Danvers use to be a good character, before she became Captain Marvel. Had all kinds of struggles from losing friends and lovers, her first set of powers and emotional attachment to her old memories after fighting Rogue, being mentally manipulating and physically abused by an extradimensional being, and fighting against alcohalism. With a little work she could have a great character, but now is just trash.

[@kristiankepley5944]

Not like other heros but your correct She suffers abusive family and has to hide the fact she went to something her family tried to force her out of That is a hero’s journey of a sort. Less than most but it’s still there

[@deleted01]

If Lucas wrote Lea to be so competent--arguably more competent than Luke--then Luke cannot be a Mary Sue.

[@grinningchicken]

Leia and Luke are the opposite of Finn and Rey. Leia outranks Luke even after he gets he Jedi skills she commands missions and troops Luke is a frontline grunt, other than force powers and maybe piloting skills she is more competent than him.

[@DarsiPadilla]

@@grinningchicken considering where each of the twins grew up at, that's saying something...generally-speaking.

[@ItamarO93]

Luke was a whiny brat with potential in his 1st movie. He got beat up and failed all throughout his 2nd movie. Only in his 3rd movie, after pain, lose, hard work and a character arc, did Luke became the wise and skilled Jedi that won the trilogy. Anyone that says this sort of character arc makes him a Mary Sue is an idiot that has not even a shred of idea what the term means or how story telling works.

[@sweetcinnamonpnchkin]

I agree with most but I don’t agree that he was whiny in the first film. He was wanting to be something more/adventure but was helpless no matter what he did.

[@jkdbuck7670]

And Luke grew strong. By the Battle of the Sarlaac Pit, he was almost a Jedi. Watching him go crazy with his green lightsaber was awesome. For "not yet a Jedi" he did well. And the Emperor might have sensed that. For in tbe next scene, the Emperor mentions that Luke has grown strong. Thankfully for us, Lawrence Kasdan chose to SHOW us how Luke became strong rather than tell us.

[@thomasjeppesen3055]

A New Hope is very good at presenting Luke’s character and how he evolves throughout the story. He starts out as passive on Tatooine without any personal control or agency. He is basically just along for the ride for half of the movie. It isn’t until Ben leaves the group on the Death Star that Luke evolves from being a passive to active character when he initiates the rescue of Leia. Throughout the Death Star escape we see him improvise, adapt and overcome and grow as a character. Then at the end of the movie we see him taking the moral high ground for what is right when he joins the Red Squadron. A beautiful character arc, really.

[@Tall_Order]

Mary Sues don't get their hands cut off. The whole idea of what the term stands for is a perfect character everyone loves and everything works out perfectly.

[@logandarklighter]

True fans need to remember how to be gatekeepers again. Call out the fake fans wherever you see them spout their BS. Kick them out of your circles. Do not invite them to speak at your gatherings. And above all - NEVER EVER APOLOGIZE FOR ANYTHING AN SJW GETS OFFENDED BY!! In fact, if it makes them MAD? GOOD!! DO IT MORE!!

[@thesaintzor625]

Dew it.

[@newperve]

"...goes full NYPD on his ass." "I AM THE TASER."

[@fallenknighttyler8695]

Not only that but after years of training he still struggled with his emotions and by extension the dark side being consumed by his anger and nearly killed Vader in their final duel after being threaten they'll go for his sister next. (A fact Vader only discovered after probing Luke's troubled mind)

[@thedoomtrainer8292]

Being called the "Queen of Twitter" is kind of like being called "Lord of the Dumpster".

[@Oturan20]

No. It's not. *[Lord of the Dumpster]* is much more dignified.

[@coggaming3796]

I respect how he's kept his sanity for so long with all of this stupidity.

[@rainbowman2184]

It must have been quite the challenge.

[@Hk7762Tube]

I wonder what straw it will be...

[@whitebeardskydaddy6756]

You mean Hamill? I think I get what you're saying, but I don't think he's fully sane anymore. So far, I like the guy still, but he's got a woke streak in him! I quit paying attention to what he's got to say months ago, so he wouldn't ruin Luke more than he was already ruined.

[@linejumper8204]

@@whitebeardskydaddy6756 Very true. Methinks he's a little more Joker than Luke in reality.

[@dylanbell268]

@@whitebeardskydaddy6756 yeah, I used to idolize hamill until he started going off the political woke end. I still feel terrible for him because it’s clear he hates how Luke ended up, and only played him in the new movies because Lucas originally signed him on before Disney canned Lucas

[@STB-jh7od]

"The Karen Whisperer" LOL Finn would have been a better choice for next Jedi. He had years of combat training, add force sensitivity and finding Luke to train him, he would have been unstoppable.

[@XSRVX_01]

I know I didn't hear the Karen's argument yet but luke is the LEAST mary sue in the franchise!

[@sweetcinnamonpnchkin]

Poor guy was a punching bag for most of the first movie (I mean A New Hope).

[@michaelmoser7497]

Honestly I think Anakin Skywalker is the least Mary Sue character. I recommend watching the Critical Drinkers video explaining why Anakin ISNT a Mary Sue.

[@AllTheOthers]

I'd argue chewy is the least mary sue cause usually mary sues magically know every language in their fantasy world and chewy is not only non human but doesn't even speak.

[@MrKago1]

@@AllTheOthers actually Wookies do, but Chewy has a speech impediment.

[@vikajorjadze8968]

Luke wasn't even considered the main character by some. I know that's debatable but for example for me, the Star Wars was first and foremost Han Solo/Chewebacca/Leia story. Sure Luke was the central figure for the galaxy by the end, but he wasn't even favorite character to some people. And he definitely wasn't M.S.

[@LightingbladeShen]

true fans seeing the hero of their childhoods return: united fans across the globe Luke when he talks: "training without talent means nothing" fake fans: he insulted rey he must die REEEEEEE all fans of starwars: the ability to speak, fake fans, does not make you intelligent, now get out of here

[@Theleaver5088]

Yes, my son is the true hero of star wars , not rey, and I am the chosen one, not her

[@CEWinick]

Luke will always be the icon he is today because how much characteristic growth he brought through the series. A shame someone from Hollywood had to destroy a character and franchise. Still nice to at last get the Luke we wanted and brought back a character better than Rey all the way. The salt from the Karen's are the icing on the cake. Great video overall.

[@SydneyLoli]

Words don't do justice for how great it feels to watch The Jedi Luke Skywalker in his prime carving up near indestructible killing machines to get to young Grogu

[@CmdrFox001]

For more support of Luke's piloting skills is that he owned a T-16 Skyhopper on Tatooine, an airspeeder made by the Incom Corporation that also made the very T-65B X-wing he flew later on in the film. Being made by the same company, the Skyhopper had a similar control scheme to the X-Wing as well, which translated to his ability to competently fly during the Death Star battle. Another side note is that the snowspeeder Luke flies in ESB is also made by the Incom Corporation, so he may just be familiar with Incom produced vehicles.

[@Sousabird]

The best is the claim Anakin is. He loses all four of his limbs, his mom, his wife, and fails in all his endeavors. Regardless, even if the claim were true, it doesn't make Rey better. Happy Christmas!

[@InfernosReaper]

The dude's so far from being a Mary Sue that he literally murders children without an hesitation just for the *hope* of saving one person, which ultimately leads to him being a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.

[@marionbrumfield6461]

@@InfernosReaper he didn’t fulfill the prophecy though rey did so he just ended up failing

[@MrKago1]

@@marionbrumfield6461 no, Vader did fulfill the prophecy when he chucked Palps. Yoda was Emp's counter balance. by killing him Anakin removed the dark influence on the force due to Palps being a nexus of the Dark Side.

[@marionbrumfield6461]

@@MrKago1 spoilers for episode 9 if you care but the emperor came back in episode 9 so it totally invalidated Vader’s sacrifice and prophecy just to try and fail to make rey a valid meaningful character.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@marionbrumfield6461 People *say* Rey fulfilled the prophecy, but no one can really *demonstrated* that she did Whereas Anakin greatly reduced the count of Jedi, which eliminated a huge group a force users who constantly ignored the will of the force. Sounds more like balancing than anything Rey did

[@darklord884]

"...only when the emperor goes full NYPD on his ass..." Thank you. Hearing that was the best Christmas gift I could have hoped for.

[@michaelblaine6494]

I can’t stop saying “subvert expectations” in that voice.....so much fun

[@asadadon]

What's Cannon to me is everything that is Pre-Disney. With the exception with what John and Dave are putting out.

[@RelatvityUnset]

I rewatched that season 2 Mandalorian finale many times. It’s so good!

[@VoltitanDev]

Finn should have been the main character he had a lot more going on he's a former storm trooper and is force sensitive he also has what rey lacks a flaws he's afraid and he's not a great melee fighter and the sequels made him a complete joke the director did Finn dirty

[@MasticinaAkicta]

It certainly would have made for a good story.

[@OniGanon]

He seemed to do okay in melee, considering he's usually fighting someone much more trained than he is and/or he's using a lightsaber he's presumably never used before.

[@fantasywind3923]

I agree, he had potential but it was wasted monumentally, he got turned into comic relief side character who is so into Rey he can't shut up about her and constantly goes out of his way for her (I would have bought it if there was some romantic tension between the two, but it is so one sided), plus being an ex-stormtrooper was interesting, though nothing came of that, he was supposed to be trained and conditioned to be first order's killing machine since being a child, but it has no effect on him or his personality whatsoever, not to mention that somehow mission of Jakku was his first battle?! Also he was supposedly only trained in blasters but fights hand to hand and has no piloting skills so he needs Poe (but in Last Jedi he pilots those fighter jets somehow) and he apparently is giving exposition knowledge when necessary when moment requires, 'oh I wasa janitor on STarkiller base', 'oh I was cleaning up the room where the hyperspace tracker is on Supremacy' but of course he fails to mention it beforehand, there is simply no consistency about him in the sequels!

[@malcolmhays2726]

Ya know the real difference between a Mary Sue and a Hero? One word: Humility. Every time Luke failed it was because his pride got the better of him. Only when he accepted a more humble role did he ultimately triumph. Rey NEVER shows humility, not even once.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

I don't think that's the main difference, but it's a good point.

[@newperve]

There never was a SW sequel trilogy. It's a myth like the HIghlander sequels.

[@kertagin1]

hey highlander 3 was not bad...2 needs to e burned tho. most of the rest waffle between meh to dog crap

[@JohnDoe-hr4cf]

@@tjfrye11 “There is no War in the fandom Reddits.”

[@kamui003]

@@kertagin1 I'd argue that Highlander the source is a worse movie than Highlander 2.

[@kertagin1]

@@kamui003 ok you have a good argument there, I don't quite agree, but yeah the source was definitely dog crap

[@gaozhi2007]

Like the Matrix sequels. Matrix Legends.

[@anthonyip9391]

remember EVEN THE LIVING EMBODIMENT OF THE FORCE STILL HAD TO WORK FOR HIS POWERS

[@HenryMyles-447]

I swear that they are only doing this because Jon favureu made him cool again

[@adriannaranjo4397]

Remember that time the group got ambushed at (blaster) gun point by Poe's old smuggler buddies who wanted to turn him in to pay off the crippling debt he left them in and Rey and Finn to boot. Then Rey knocked the main smuggler chick to the ground and she - and by extension every other smuggler with her - suddenly thought they were cool and took them to Babu Frik with no complaints But Luke is a Mary/Gary Stu for getting his hand chopped off

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

Gail Simone who??? oh Right remember the chick that ruined Barbara Gordon and took away a great role model for disabled people in oracle

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

I hated how Gail Simone made Barbara Gordon back into Batgirl because her best comics were her as a paraplegic, and it showed the empowerment of disabled people being badass like how Daredevil is a blind superhero in Marvel that everybody loves despite him being a Catholic.

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr People hated Daredevil... For being... Catholic?????

[@MrNelg19]

The best way I can describe these people is to quote that line from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galxy. *"Thunder rumbled in the distance, like a man saying; And another thing... twenty minutes after admitting he lost the argument."*

[@DaScorpionSting]

Luke has a character arc (plus if you count the EU, not the Disney nightmare trilogy) He’s rememberable.

[@TSPH1992]

This

[@thespectre4627]

We count the EU. We do not count the Disney Trilogy

[@FearingVirus]

This woman is a "writer," yet doesn't know the difference between a self-insert character and a Mary Sue? Good lord how our standards for writers have fallen.

[@kingricky71]

Luke gets his a$$ kicked from time to time in the original trilogy while Rey only seems to cry from time to time in the sequels, there is no comparison

[@christophermonteith2774]

from time to time? I'm counting about half of every encounter, but yeah, far from a gary stu/mary sue

[@michaelkoturbasz9981]

Not to mention that Rey out flew first order tie fighter pilots who were trained from a very young age.

[@jo_ken]

Feels like every time Luke gets an on screen performance, slightest mention, or even a nod towards stuff his character did we’ll end up getting another wave of these people saying ‘B-But Luke is a Mary Sue or is awful, why don’t you like Rey she’s the bestest Jedi evar!’

[@holynightwingfan4510]

"bestest Jedi evar" hm... Doomcock's fan detected? hehe

[@CloakofAuron]

Funny thing is that Rey, even at the end of RoS, isn't a Jedi. She never completed her training. She never got formal training under Luke, and she never completed her training with Leia. So she can't be called a Jedi.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@@CloakofAuron And despite that, she's not only a Jedi and a Skywalker: She's also "all the Jedi."

[@CloakofAuron]

@@DonVigaDeFierro "THE BESTEST EVAR~!"

[@abigailslade3824]

You are not “just” some guy you hit the nail on the head every time fella

[@pickedceasar1216]

I know it's not the subject but it's related and will eventually be brought up: Despite being the chosen one Anakin was also not a Mary Sue

[@Dekartz]

The whole story of Star Wars is basically "Anakin fucks up" not characteristic of a mary sue

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

He was quite literally the embodiment of the Force... And still his master kicks his ass. One can make the case that Kid Anakin is a proper Mary Sue, but as far as I remember, people didn't like him, not even because "he's a dude."

[@afarce4172]

@@DonVigaDeFierro Him as a kid was the only time when you could make that argument, but given what happens later? I'm much more willing to let his annoying kid self slide when the man basically destroyed everything he held dear.

[@pickedceasar1216]

@@DonVigaDeFierro yeah and despite being the literal child of the force he still had to train hard and he literally had half of his body burnt. A Mary Sue would somehow be immune to the effects of lava or come out with like a tiny scar that they over exagerate

[@fantasywind3923]

@@afarce4172 even as a kid Anakin failed plenty of times, he was racing long before but ONLY succeeded in Phantom Menace, it was his first victory in a race, he crashed before :), even in piloting skills little Anakin wasn't super perfect, he had at first trouble with controlling that Naboo fighter and autopilot brought his vessel into battle, also BEFORE the space battle little Anakin sat in the cockpit of the Naboo Nubian class starship where the pilot actually taught him controls, as well as having already experience in racing (and failing to win the race and crashlanding): "Naboo pilot: Those are the forward stabilizers. Anakin: And those two control the pitch? Naboo pilot: You catch on pretty quick." Short scene but how meaningful :). Even little Anakin being good with technology is quite justified, he was a slave working basically for 'mechanic shop', selling parts of various complicated machinery, from droids to hyperdrives and spaceship parts, engines and advanced robotics, he had lot of experience with technology for his young years, he was a slave since birth and worked for Watto since he was three years old. In contrast Rey being good with tech is less likely, because she was a scrapper really,, she wasn't even working on a proper industrial scrapyard where the stuff from all over galaxy would be brought to be dismantled, not, she and many others on Jakku were simply looting a decades old crashsite leftovers from a battle, it wasn't even a proper scrapyard where they would have heavy machinery or anything (otherwise they would have picked the crashsite dry years before, the scrappers of Jakku are woefully underequipped) no it was a crashsite and apparently entire economy of that settlement on Jakku revolved around this (damn this planet makes no sense), most of the time Rey would have been salvaging raw materials rather than useful stuff, the parts that would be most of the time heavily damaged and needing to be refit to reuse later, and at best she should have been only familiar with imperial tech, since those were wrecks of imperial stardestroyers and their military hardware.

[@shadowking9739]

Studios and directors can try to tarnish our childhood icons but real heroes can never be ruined, not when there are those who are willing to stand by and defend them.

[@jarradpuckridge8210]

The disparity between darth vader and luke skywalker was so wide initially the only victory was to survive.

[@10-eproductions25]

And it literally cost Luke a hand to do it.

[@10-eproductions25]

Vader still didnt have to disarm him that way.

[@Siddios]

@@10-eproductions25 No he didn't, but he liked to anyway.

[@surfohio1173]

Did Rey get shot at by Darth Vader in his Tie Fighter while trying to shoot a photon missile into a 2 meter hole on the Death Star? Did Rey get her hand lightsabered off by her Dad? Did Rey almost get squished to death inside a trash compactor on the Original Death Star?

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

Luke: It's over Gail, I have the high ground!

[@TheGoodLuc]

Who is this Gail Simone, anyway?

[@mandodelorian4668]

@@TheGoodLuc I'll do you one better, Why is Gail Simone?

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

@@TheGoodLuc from what i've heard she's a comic book artist from DC(?)

[@TheGoodLuc]

@Marcus H Oh, thanks.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

Gail: You underestimate my power! *Proceeds to get her legs chopped off and burn alive within molten magma*

[@dmurphy1578]

He follows the hero's arc template to a fucking tee. Teachers use like as an example.

[@gerrymcwilliam]

See how every Rey Kylo battle Rey is the angry and aggressive one? I mean they don't even have a clue of the universe they are working in.

[@rebekah.2187]

There's also the part where Rey is really impressed when Finn tells her he's with the Resistance, but seems completely clueless to the danger she's in when the First Order shows up. If she doesn't know or understand who the Resistance is fighting, why is she so impressed? Then she barely escapes Jakku with her life, but wants to go back. She seems to be completely clueless that she'd be killed if she returns to Jakku. If it weren't for Finn, she'd be dead. (That's right, the 'perfect' girl had to be saved by the guy.) How many times did it take Finn grabbing her arm to get her to run before she figured out she needed to stop fighting him, and start running? Yet, she's able to figure out how to fly a ship she's never flown before, as well as fix it, and use both the Force and a lightsaber well enough to defend herself against a trained Dark Side Force user. It doesn't make any sense. As far as her training with Luke. . . Where was the training? She spent most of her time on that island, arguing with Luke about helping the Resistance, trying to convince him to train her, and doing Force Zoom calls with Kylo Ren. We saw more actual training going on when she was with Leia, the one who quit her training. So what kind of training did she get really? She was running, jumping, and making things float. She got distracted and didn't finish. Yet, somehow magically she's more powerful than Luke, who used the Force to project his younger image across the galaxy to fight Kylo Ren? She needed all the past Jedi to help her destroy the clone of Sidious. She didn't do that on her own. These people need to admit the character was poorly written and move on.

[@aether2002]

I will admit she was written horribly but there are still parts of her that make her one of my favorite character. I respect everyone's opinion of the sequels i liked them but I respect people who dislike them

[@LadyCrissBluefox]

Ah this tired old debunked argument that Luke Skywalker is a Sue just like the debunked argument that his father was a Sue. The Critical Drinker made an excellent video explaining why Anakin is not a Sue in any way and I highly recommend people watch it.

[@audience2]

The whole notion is rediculous. The original trilogy was proper epic storytelling with character arcs.

[@veteranimperial718]

Luke started from zero and had to learn everything he knew by interacting with other Jedis between the movies. Ray in the other hand was able to use many powers that it will take years to learn to a normal Jedi, not to mention that she was able to "teach herself", that alone clearly shows they know Jack shit about how the force works.

[@audience2]

It's incredible that no one during production said "this is shit, there needs to be a proper character arc". The Force Awakens should have copied the character arc but instead they copied the events. I don't want to even talk about The Last Jedi.

[@fantasywind3923]

@@audience2 Force Awakens is just a reboot of a New Hope but without the charm, soul and fun of the original, no hero journey arc, no likeable characters (dreadful lack of chemistry between the main leads only made it worse), nothing was really working, even the worldbuilding in the Force Awakens was so unimaginative, just a rehash of the status quo from originals, I was constantly questioning things when I watched it for the first time, there is New Republic AND separate Resistance, why does Republic do nothing? Why Resistance, that name implies paramilitary organization fighting AGAINST established regime, does First Order control any significant portion fo the galaxy? Do they attack New Republic territories, if so why the proper military does not combat them? Why First Order is so much more powerful than Empire if they are formed from it's remnants, how the hell do they build something so insane as Starkiller base when two deathstars were so huge effort for the empire, which controlled already nearly entire galaxy!! The amount of resources would be unbelievable to build this thing, and why does New Republic not even know about it, before it appears, also the very fact how ridiculous it is, it sucks entire star to power itself to blow up several planets and apparently entire republic fleet? How dumb is that, maybe it should have been blowing up a star it would work the same, old EU had it's share of superweapons and a Suncrusher would have worked the same' Those were more or less thoughts of me watching the force Awakens in cinema for the first time :):), needless to say I was rather disappointed with this sequel and it got worse, thankfully I did not watch other movies in cinema wasting money, I watched it when they became available for free ;).

[@Deuteromis]

Oh it's much worse than that, apparently in the novelization version of TLJ, they explain that Rey was able to download Kylo's knowledge of the force and how to use a Saber when he was probing her mind. No joke.

[@luxypoo]

Luke Skywalker has a believable story arc wherein he has to work hard in the beginning and train in order to get a handle on his powers. However one feels about Rey, I think it's fair to say that her arc objectively has less tension than Anakin or Luke's--she isn't nearly as challenged as they are and her training is even more brief than Luke's was ( until ROS retcons TLJ and shows a training sequence in a transparent attempt to answer to the criticism )

[@WeldonWen]

"Luke is a Mary Sue" I agree, a minute is *not* the same as 60 seconds

[@wolfbane7497]

Merry Christmas #justsomeguy and never change ever

[@kristofgriffin384]

What makes both Anakin and Luke compelling protagonists is not only are they flawed people, but they faced trials and dilemmas that a lot of us have to go through in life. Anakin is a husband and father who tried to protect his wife at any cost, even if it meant having to join the Dark Side and do things that are morally reprehensible. Luke is a teenager who craved adventure and a higher purpose, only for him to realize how hard and cruel his journey truly is, and how much he'll lose along the way. They're written to feel as human as possible, and because we're able to relate to their struggle we're more invested in their journey and what they have to go through. Rey, on the other hand, is written solely to be a role-model for the female audience that Disney tries to attract and pander to, and nothing more. Feminists have this messed-up mind-set of women being perfect angels who can do no wrong, and Rey suffers as character because of this. She's not allowed to have flaws, do things that are morally questionable, lose anything important, or overcome any challenge that can help her grow. That's why she's a Mary Sue, and Anakin and Luke aren't.

[@sergioalvarez1919]

I use to say. "Luke is so whiney and can't control his anger." But then I realize, that is what made him relatable. Most men or humans are like that and we need to work on that. He is not a Mary Sue because he isn't perfect like Rey.

[@captcrais101]

He wasn't whiney anymore in Return of the Jedi.

[@sergioalvarez1919]

@@captcrais101 Yea, character growth. Not a Mary Sue.

[@igodreamer7096]

Great video, JSC! Those people will never understand Luke, since they can't relate to normal human beings. That is sad.

[@庫倫亞利克]

Luke is probably the farthest thing from a Mary Sue that you ever get. I am neither white, male, nor superpowered; and yet I feel for Luke and shedded tears happily for him when he refused to turn to darkness. At the same time, all Sequel Trilogy characters (Imposter Luke included) at best elicit apathy from me, and at worst a desire for them to all die horribly, painfully, and as quickly as possible.

[@Mpetey123]

Hey don't sell yourself short Batman and Iron Man don't have Superpowers either.....are you rich by any chance? Like own a skyscraper rich?

[@庫倫亞利克]

@@Mpetey123 No, just a normal human. Why?

[@Mpetey123]

@@庫倫亞利克 cause Iron Man and Batman were super rich

[@audience2]

I firmly believe the most important power is good character and standing by your friends and family.

[@calebh3632]

Man I just keep remembering Rey going "I bypassed the compressor" which is so dumb. Great, now you have uncompressed, volatile, hyper-explosive gas floating around in the hyperdrive. If she wasn't the main character, she would have gotten everyone, and the Falcon, blown up

[@UnqualifiedComics]

Haha god damn, JSG is so damn good at savaging these broads. These type of videos will never get old.

[@MolecularArts]

I don’t care if the hero is male, female, black, white, East Asian, or even Tasmanian. So long as they are WELL WRITTEN!

[@chuck2703]

man I'm glad I have no idea who Gail Simone is.

[@waynedowning7388]

If Luke were a Mary sue he would have cut Vader's hand off at bespin while saving Han singlehandedly from boba fett.

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

Karen:"Luke Skywalker is a Mary Sue" Just Some Guy:" Sigh..Let me School you fake fans again" Me:"Ah Hell he's about to start Spittin Fire on their asses🔥"

[@Nehvar]

Wish I had gotten around to watching this earlier...it was magnificent. I have great respect for your ability to vent the frustration we all feel over this BS without losing your composure. I'm not sure I could do that anymore.

[@zachf.7854]

Got the notification for this Juuuuust as the Christmas Family dinner conversation started to get political.

[@Coramelimane]

In ESB Luke spent a month training with Yoda. Between ESB and RoJ Luke spent *five years* further training with Yoda, a 900 year old jedi grand master. Rey spent *one year* practicing with Leia, who isn't a Jedi master and thuse not a proper teacher.

[@rons3634]

How can you call yourself the Mary Sue and not even know what it means?

[@metrostatistics9807]

I love all of your stills. You always time them perfectly.

[@eccemono6534]

10:25 "bUt sHe wAS ALL tHe jeDi" - Some far far away reeeee

[@MarkOakleyComics]

Luke inspired millions, changed culture, is remembered fondly more than four decades later. Ray.., I don't even know if I'm spelling her name right and can't be bothered to look it up.

[@metallicaspiker16]

I’ve tried making the same argument to a friend who’s seen literally all the SW movies, with his favorite being Episode 3, and he still thinks Rey is somehow a good character. I’m tempted to ask for his lightsaber. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@PipoZePoulp]

"... her opinions on Luke Sky Walker..." "Luke Sky Walker" "Sky Walker" *Sigh* I stopped caring about Karen's opinion.

[@CatholicDragoon]

".....going Full NYPD" LOL never go full NYPD. I would also recommend never going full LAPD.

[@stannnleee3440]

love your anaylsis Justsomeguy. I have grown to enjoy hearing critical analysis of Star Wars instead of actual STar Wars. THank you for providing interesting useful information and analysis.

[@Ottuln]

I have a group of friends that is %1,000 woke as woke can be. I was so shocked last week when one of them posted on Facebook about how much she hates Rey, how Luke was the best and explaining in detail why she is a Mary Sue, and Luke exemplifies the Hero's Journey. It was really nice to see.

[@KlyosXA]

People forget Luke owned a T16 Skyhopper. A civilian Aircraft that's manufactured by the same company that made the X-wing which also uses the same components. Then they established he practiced accuracy shots on womp rats using his T16.

[@christianjadot4459]

'Member when Luke got his ass handed to him by Sand People? Obi Wan saved him. 'Member when Luke tried to save his family? He doesn't. 'Member when Luke accidentally started crap in Mos Eisley? Obi Wan saved him. 'Member when Luke attempts to rescue Leia from Prison? Leia saves him. 'Member when Luke was going to be crushed by the Trash Compactor? R2 saves him. 'Member when Luke and Leia are stuck across a Death Star bridge? Luke saves them! This is his first "win" in the movie. (Unless you include shooting Tie Fighters with Han) Up to this point Luke has not been able to do much besides have good intentions. Wedge Saves Luke in the dogfight above the Death Star, and Han Saves Luke to allow Luke to make the killing shot. Everybody need to save Luke through out the first film, over and over again. All he really did was make the killing shot and swing over a bridge. Also in the movie, Luke repeatedly says he is a good pilot, everyone just sort of ignores him. (It was like the ONE thing he was good at in the first movie.)

[@ShadowACE1998]

I like how the guys a WCBS described it. "Being called the Queen of Twitter is like being called the Queen of the Bog of Eternal Stench."

[@milestrombley1466]

Respect Luke Skywalker!!!

[@beezeejo]

Just Some Guy and Divinyls... the crossover I didn't know I needed!

[@VolfKami]

Lol Man said Bantha poo doo, I haven't heard that since KOTOR

[@Sechs13]

Someone said the same about Anakin. Anakin Skywalker. A mary sue. The guy everything always works out for, always makes the right decisions and is loved by everyone...

[@KronosSion]

The only thing I might disagree with is Yoda getting his ass handed to him. Yoda vs Sidious was a fairly even fight. Yoda was better with a blade and Sidious had the high ground and debatably more force power.

[@rumbleroller2154]

You saying it was high ground because Yoda was smaller? :P

[@MrOnepiece14]

JSG spit so much hot fire in this video the snow outside melted and I'm sweating. Holy shit.

[@billmelater6470]

Woketivists: "Rey IS a strong character! She's not a Mary Sue!" Everyone else: "You literally had to give her the Skywalker name because she isn't a strong character."

[@felixfeliciano7011]

She doesn't have the Skywalker name. She has the Palpatine name. Rise of Skywalker was in reference to Ben Solo, who is a Skywalker by blood, whose redemption at the end of the movie is what enables him and Rey Palpatine, granddaughter of former Emperor Palpatine, to defeat the newly arisen Sith Revanent.

[@redhood7650]

Luke wasn't a Mary Sue. He had training and an arc all ready for him