No, Women Aren't Saving Star Wars

No, Women Aren't Saving Star Wars
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Art by Just Some Guy
Original trailer concept: Bleach Opening 01
Music: "Enkon Hakuchuumu" by Sakagami Souichi - Copyright (C) 2015 Trial & Error/Sakagami Souichi All rights reserved.
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[@joshvasquez8196]

people call me sexist for disliking Rey,despite my favorite character is Ashoka.

[@mr.s2005]

Well you do have to like each and every female character no matter how badly they are written or else

[@jangounchained5279]

Yup, she had best character arc in CloneWars !! Then comes Ani with stupid downfall into dark...

[@barrybend7189]

Try being the fan that was hoping for the return of Aboloth( hinted in the Clone Wars Celestial arc), heard that George wanted the Yuzong Vong to be canon( one of the planned arcs of season 7 the fact its planned means it was Lucas approved) and after Malachore was mentioned in Clone Wars was hoping if we'd know of Revan, the Exile and Kriea. And Disney in Rebels sterilized Malachore changing it from a planet ravaged by Intradictor ships with so much pain and agony that force sensitives around the planet died on the spot or lost their connection to the force crippling them. Said event also made the republic lose almost all technologies revolving around Intradictors because it was so horrifying. Instead the planet was just one of many battles between Jedi and Sith around a force draining weapon( how many was it this time).

[@Hinatachan360]

@J F I am a woman and I will never buy into that feminist, man hating, female supremacy bullshit.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Rey, the one-dimensional character that gets handed everything for no reason... A.K.A: The SJW power fantasy.

[@mangozzz4487]

Everyone: hates Rey Kathleen Kennedy: you are so sexist Everyone: loves Ahsoka Kathleen Kennedy: I am going to pretend I didn’t see that.

[@That_Guy_Ty]

ItS BeCaUSe AShOoKa iS nOT a HoOMAn.

[@matthewfarrugia5095]

Personally i dont like ahsoka for the same reason people dont like rey😂😂

[@mangozzz4487]

Matthew Farrugia dare you compare the two, but that’s your opinion, so I’ll respect it

[@matthewfarrugia5095]

The Wolfpack its ok i just think that ahsoka has a better arc than rey but to go toe toe with greivious maul and vader is baffiling considering she joined anakin at 13years of age and bested maul when she was 16/17years and i find her overused i dont think she should have been in season 7 and that vader would kill her in rebels

[@gumfireparalax1371]

@@matthewfarrugia5095 She didn't best Maul, she took advantage of an opportunity when the Clones arrived. She also NEVER BEAT GRIEVOUS. Everytime she fought him she was on the run. And she went toe to toe with Vader, sure, but she was ultimately defeated by him.

[@papapalps3513]

The fans growing disappointment towards these movies is a better character arc than rey

[@roigergoololo3966]

Sadly true 😂😂😂😭😭😭

[@darthtroller]

LMAO 😂😂😂

[@otherfelizgarnica7603]

Can’t argue with THAT it’s just the pure truth

[@Jevix-xl1tx]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFF

[@Vivigreeny25]

Any character arc is better than Reys "character arc". X3

[@kryoruleroftheninthcircleo4151]

“Women are saving Star Wars.” Actually a sexist title.

[@admiralsand]

Haha I’m the 69th like Edit: dammit someone broke 69

[@theinter-healer7167]

@@admiralsand 🤦‍♂️

[@admiralsand]

Justina sanchez no

[@admiralsand]

@man with no username yes they would

[@rhyscallinan4402]

Ah the irony. Typed that 3 times this week. But with how shit things are, it's bound to happen

[@aghitsaplane4262]

"You only hate Rey because she's a women" *Looks at Ashoka,padme and leia* "Amazing, everything you just said was wrong"

[@alexistrudel6837]

Padmé is argumentably one of the most intelligent character in the whole franchise. She was respected as a PERSON, not because she was a woman. This woman just uselessly gendered star wars.

[@tripled2505]

@@alexistrudel6837 I personally hated padme character in the prequels. She wa just the love interest who was not rly interesting at all. TCW made her better tho

[@Admin-5]

Triple D agreed but the prequels weren’t really focused on her but she should’ve had a better role

[@wamko8493]

Ahsoka is my favourite character in Star Wars ever, because she has an amazing character arc. Rey is my least favourite because she doesn’t have a character arc.

[@marcodestefano7119]

Ahsoka has a great character arc, Rey has literally no development

[@joshe3031]

Me: (doesn't like Rey) Feminists: u just hate women! Also me: Ahsoka is one of my childhood heroes.

[@xekoan507]

Me too, loved the clone Wars so much

[@thatmoonchild3095]

Joshe lol same she carried clone wars

[@ortherner]

same!

[@Farmdafish]

Same

[@spectralknightgaming8364]

Feminists: you Weren't supposed to do that

[@ChrisSagem]

Qui Gon: “The ability to speak does not make you intelligent”

[@JordanWheeler1999]

*make you

[@JordanWheeler1999]

*make you

[@tfw8729]

Well said

[@mannysilver211]

Well said👍. (And bless)

[@sakurazarrok]

So true

[@Couch_Dealer]

"Women are saving star wars" Ewan McGregor isn't a woman

[@spectralknightgaming8364]

The sequels may have angry feminists behind it but the prequels have the high ground

[@billystokes3917]

@@spectralknightgaming8364 This is where the fun begins.

[@rhyscallinan4402]

Same with Samuel L. Jackson, Mark Hamill and George Lucas. I could go on but we all know what I know.

[@ellbent]

“Women are saving Star Wars.” Dexter Jettster and Watto are not women.

[@Farmdafish]

Yeah same with obi wan

[@antoniokruger8529]

And gonk droid

[@trevthekidd]

@@antoniokruger8529 beat me to it.

[@cameronstewart6636]

"Well, whaddya know?" -Dexter Jettster. P.s. I agree with you, op, just couldn't resist the joke.

[@rebeccaschroder3000]

@@antoniokruger8529 *HAPPY GONK NOISES*

[@bluekunt]

"Women are saving Star Wars" *The Mandalorian isn't female, Rex isn't female, Obi-Wan isn't female, Anakin isn't female, the Bad Batch aren't female.* Ahsoka is. They all saved Star Wars.

[@theprepaintedcanvis3452]

Well what do you kno- kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYeVpHWLh8yIeKs

[@bluekunt]

@@theprepaintedcanvis3452 lmao

[@thomashsiai6250]

Obi wan more like Star Wars Jesus

[@iamacatperson7226]

What about Collection man (Grevious)

[@jonahkerkhove6305]

Theprepaintedcanvis34 that would have been a lot funnier if an ad didn’t play first and I had time to look at the thumbnail

[@natto4now]

Spongebob has a better character arc than rey

[@knucklesofficial9213]

This is amazing

[@jjjmadness8306]

It's sad how true that statement is.

[@MrSuperbeast92]

Yes. He started down a path to the dark side around chapter 6, but his redemption arc in chapter 7 and 8 really saved his character. ;)

[@natto4now]

Cause they go realy deep in that battle arc Spongebob is my favorite shone jump

[@simonpetrikov3992]

You're comparing a flat character arc to a Character that doesn't have one

[@cookoo4cocopuffs221]

The only female character i like is Ahsoka because she's interesting, has a good story, is bloody hilarious and matures GREATLY over the series' of Clone Wars and Rebels

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Padme

[@notouchuser6506]

Also double ligntsabers is very cool

[@onewingedren2228]

And Leia

[@MaterOfX]

Ekhem leia in ep5 is just fucking solid leader

[@pither7759]

Also satine was cool

[@mosbal1358]

"women are saving star wars" But Obi-Wan isn't a female

[@naparoid5507]

But Ahsoka is

[@cameronschofield6440]

Obi wan through prequel memes and Sir Alec Guinness performance in the Original Trilogy alone carry star wars on his back.

[@cliffordbenenati7373]

Captain Rex, Anakin (clone wars mostly), Obi-Wan, Mando, Clones, Vader continues to bring us together, I mean, NEED I GO ON?

[@lt_darkseekerantique3911]

Cameron Schofield Because of Obi-Wan?

[@bendover9514]

If he was he would probably not say hello there he’d ask for his manager or something

[@jawedhaidari4851]

Rey is not a Skywalker, I don’t know what Luke was smoking to say that.

[@themonkeman7387]

Anakin Skywalker *this is where the fun begins*

[@brunoveloso5693]

this is getting out of hand, now there's two of them!

[@zylowolf7919]

@@brunoveloso5693 always two there are. No more, no less.

[@zylowolf7919]

@@soncthehedge2671 i think you're missing some zeroes. 30,000,000,000,000,000,000 There we go.

[@ScionStorm1]

Luke kept his father's last name even though his dad was Darth Vader. He made the Skywalker name stand for something good despite his father. Rey just abandon's her name in favor of a name someone else did all the hard work to brand.

[@thesentinel5523]

A peanut butter and jelly sandwich is a more relatable character than Rey is.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Tastier too.

[@ManicPandaz]

I always loved that top hat peanut gentleman.

[@ziephel-6780]

That I can agree..... Blu Sandwich being a much better character lel

[@miliboy0522]

"With a baseball bat"!

[@marcussinclaire4890]

I'll be screaming for vengeance for a long time coming.

[@danedane8573]

Back in the 70s and 80s, girls laughed and shamed at boys reading comics or playing videogames. Just like the mainstream media told them to.

[@kungfuskull]

And 90s. I was there. I got the beatings and mockeries. And then in the 2000s it was 'cool' and suddenly everyone was nice because I knew all about it already and they wanted the insider scoop. 🙄 it was a fuckin silly time, but broadly good. Aaaand now it's coming back around to bad again.

[@Lost_idiot223]

Yeah! funny how after comics and video games became popular all of a sudden it's sexist and is labeled a "boys only club"

[@anafu-sankanashi8933]

What's that little 9 year old boy? You enjoy playing Plants Vs zombies on pc? Enjoy being a brain-dead fuck who will never amount to anything in his life. - my teach in 5th grade. Not my 4th, that guy was a badass

[@MoRPho151]

Girls were excluded of playing video games by guys themselves, their parents and society... So, what do you do if you are excluded? You mock them because you don't want to feel like you are losing, you apparent that you don't like it and they are the fools. Now that this is more open lots of girls love video games, that is the proof that this was all mainstream media and culture driven.

[@danedane8573]

​@@MoRPho151 Boys were excluded of playing videogame as well by their parents, society and the giggling girls laughing at the 'losers'. The difference is, males fight off these kinds tyranny and insult. While girls follow and join in with the tyranny to become a part of it. And now you come in after all the work has been done, blaming 'the boys' instead of yourself. Stop blaming others. Take some accountability. It was you who chose not to bear the 'shame' society puts on you and gave in to laugh at the boys yourselves as the mainstream told you to be part of the gang.

[@ortherner]

“Women are Saving Star Wars” Your right! Ashoka absolutely saved Star Wars!

[@dexterjettster3683]

Lol

[@presidentraiden9203]

Yes.

[@AchillesRage501]

your right Kara Dune aka Gina Carero saved the Mando until Luke Skywalker, Bobba Fett, Ashoka Tano and Bo Katan oh wait Gina was fired there goes 300,000 subs for disney plus

[@yagamijubei28]

Actually it was jango fett that saved star wars. Without him there wasnt a clone army of absolute badassery.

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Padme

[@r3do_]

Disney : EU isn't canon anymore Fans : ... Disney : ... Fans : Sequel trilogy isn't canon anymore

[@tedscheett9420]

"Well boys, we did it. Sequel Trilogy is no more."

[@Lexyeon4022]

If only

[@Proofesure]

R3do yea sequel trilogy isnt canon to me,it ended at episode 6

[@jacob414]

Proofesure the sequel trilogy is really just a feminist copy of the legends. It’s a copy of part of legends bu5 they just changed the characters and made it feminist

[@smilewidestudios8589]

"What do you get when you take a previously established canon AND ABANDON IT AND TREAT IT LIKE TRASH?" "I'll tell you what you get, YOU GET WHAT YOU F%#@$ING DESERVE!"

[@DiosHombre1]

“Stand only with us, or we won’t stand with you” Only a Sith speaks in absolutes

[@rhyscallinan4402]

They say while I sit in the Death Star overlooking Disney Studios. My move, Disney.

[@rhyscallinan4402]

Also I have the High Ground.

[@connormerrifield5576]

Ah but thus is the duality and hypocrisy of the force, for that phrase itself is an absolute but said by a Jedi

[@e4ehco21]

Only is an absolute

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

I mean the Jedi do be doing that sometimes too but I get it.

[@jakobh6046]

Feminists: "women are saving Star Wars" Almost the enitire SW community: I accuse you of treason against the Grand Army of the Republic

[@rhyscallinan4402]

Feminists: are you challenging me Master Fan? Fans: we'll let the council decide your fate Feminists: then it's treason *Proceeds to fuck everything, belittle fans and men, kill of Luke in terrible way, make Vader and Lukes sacrifice on the Death Star meaningless, make women powerful, defy all common sense* And like Palpatine, the fans now throw the Feminists into a reactor.

[@ellie8784]

You don't have to bring every feminist into it. Other feminist actually work on getting rights, just say the people who say this

[@Dansguitarshorts]

Disney: destroys Male characters and gives them less merch to appeal to girls. Also Disney: princess films are for girls and we will not try allow any appeal to anyone else This makes no sense

[@scyobiempire4450]

Daniel Wager as a Male, I like some Disney Prince movies (I was young, I liked them but the remakes... Ehhh) but that doesn’t mean I don’t like Hellboy (and Muse (PSYCO! PSYCO!)).

[@connorbaz5980]

Result: Sequel Trilogy Feminist Action Figures don't sell Boba, Mando, and Baby Yoda (a..boy no less) action figures/merch can't stay in stock... Kathleen Kennedy: IT'S ALL THE FANBOYS FAULT! *poutyface*

[@pizzapete4134]

@@scyobiempire4450 i loved those movies! Still do,one of my favorite shows is actually Tangled: The Series.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

But Aladdin is definitely for boys.

[@pengu-9412]

Breh wth is up with Disney and girls.

[@katawhampus9879]

It's kinda funny that Disney is way more sexist than all of the people who they are saying are sexist.

[@cookoo4cocopuffs221]

Welcome to the world of business my friend

[@emilynatukua7825]

@@cookoo4cocopuffs221 ha

[@darioactive-man3287]

same with racism

[@pittland44]

This is a classic case of narcissistic projection.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

"Star Wars has women in it, and apparently, that's a problem." *looks at Padme, Asoka, Ventress, and Leia* ... You...really don't know Star Wars, do you?...

[@JarinXeno]

That's it really. These people are not now, nor have they ever been fans. They are parasites trying to push an agenda by latching onto anything popular.

[@ChibiKami]

further expanding to the EU: Mara Jade, Shaak Ti, Jan Orz (oops, Rogue One negated Dark Forces's existence), Bastila Shan, Kreia, Meetra Surik, Mission Vao, Mira, Visas Marr, and ... and most of that list just comes from 3 of the video games (4 if you count Mara Jade being playable in DF2 Jedi Knight - Mysteries of the Sith, but I'm pretty sure she debuted before that)

[@raviothethief8292]

Fritz Philogene II what about Hera and Sabine from rebels?

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@raviothethief8292 I don't give a shit about Rebels.

[@ashtonbyrd3686]

@Fritz Philogene it sounds like they don’t know Star Wars

[@russian_knight]

Best female star wars characters: Ashoka Clone Wars Padmè Leia Sabime Jyn Erso (kinda) Anyone but rey

[@kirarozu]

I really liked Rogue One. It was the only good movie of all the recent Star Wars movies. I like Jyn Erso. Maybe its because I like Felicity Jones but I like the character too. She was just a person trying her best to do what needed to be done.

[@shadzep2701]

Even though EA is a pretty greedy company, Iden Versio is a pretty good character

[@ethanfreel1222]

@Erica Draven bo was really good in Clone Wars and Rebels. Sackhoff did a great job voicing her, but live acting wasn’t so great in my opinion. The character herself is fairly interesting overall

[@artnull13]

You forgot Kreia

[@TheRealCaptainLavender]

LOL, you forgot MARA EFFIN JADE and Bastilla Shan. Sabine is also a trash character, I know it's hard to realize cuz your 16 but it's true. Rebels is in general a trash show.

[@TM_AZ]

When she says "women" she mostly means "feminists."

[@potatopeeler2919]

Tim Morrow what gave it away?

[@greedokenobi3855]

Agree. And I think he should say what he means and not make this a men/women thing. Women did not destroy Star Wars. This video is non-sense just for those statements he’s making. Whatever letter/article or whatever he’s reading is not written by all women. It might be ‘a’ woman but blaming this on women in general is just dumb talk.

[@SunGodNika-bi2jr]

More like toxic feminists

[@Hate_Silvia]

If rey was a guy, I'd still hate her. Male or female, she's just a badly made character.

[@wyattowen1944]

Huzzah! A being of quality!

[@rougebluefire]

Correct

[@ocularzombie6679]

yes

[@estrogengaminguwu]

yeah thats the thing no one realizes, i dislike rey's character, not the person playing her.

[@fangwhiteclaw7089]

Amen to that

[@TheDarkestPhoenix]

"None of my girlfriends growing up were particularly into Marvel Comics, for one example" Because they were too busy watching the guys who were into those things get shoved into lockers by their boyfriends and the girls who were into it get ostracized and made fun of from their cliques.

[@GunMetalMinx]

Don’t forget the constant demand for female fans to prove ourselves as “real fans.” I was quizzed more aggressively and frequently by Star Wars fans than by every single class I ever took my whole life.

[@davida12345]

yeah, most people dont get that we were fans in the 90's, and that was a lot like all the marginalized people today complaining on the net. guess what, even white straight males got the shit kicked out of them daily as little kids because facebook wasn't around to tell all the stupid people in the world that comics are ok yet.

[@davida12345]

@@GunMetalMinx theres not a constant demand, you just think your more popular than you are lol

[@ericjohnson7234]

that is a great example of cultural tribalism.

[@Matt-uc8dd]

Dont think these people have ever heard of Leia or Ahsoka

[@athan13590]

Or R4-P17

[@tbmakana]

Or the commander droid in the first episode of clone wars

[@afterlife6821]

Palme, Ahsoka, and Leia are a few of the badass female characters in Star Wars. So I’m kinda confused on why all these feminist think there are no strong females in Star Wars.

[@athan13590]

@@afterlife6821 Honestly, star wars does lag a lot of strong female characters, but making Marey Sue did not help at all.

[@afterlife6821]

CT - 3512 there are strong female characters in it and that’s all that matters and I would like Disney to stop trying to force all this political correctness and feminist agenda on ya. What the sequels could have been could’ve been amazing but the ruined not only the sequels but Star Wars as a whole right now by destroying Luke and Leia’s characters and completely making anakins sacrifice meaningless but making palpating love somehow. They need to give Star Wars back to George Lucas so he can fix the mess they created.

[@trendygamer6929]

feminists; wOmeN arE sAviNg sTaR wArS me: Obi Wan isn't a woman

[@rebeccaschroder3000]

Hate towards Obi-Wan is a hate crime

[@nejcbreznik8331]

you or the other 10000000000 people that make the same comment?

[@crumbycake4158]

Nejc Breznik can’t you just appreciate a good comment?

[@spectralknightgaming8364]

Feminists: obi wan is not a good character that's saving the franchise Me: WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST

[@masterwizard8090]

Hello there

[@sirmount2636]

Anakin’s sacrifice means nothing now.

[@nathanjora7627]

Sir Mount Ana who ? This name doesn’t ring like it’s attached to someone with two X chromosomes, so he was probably never important to begin with.

[@simonj6801]

That's what pisses me off the most tbh

[@Umbra_Ursus]

On the bright side: Jango, Dooku, and Jabba all died before they could be utterly fucked by these movies.

[@nathanjora7627]

Shadow Freddy Well, Palpatine died before these movies, didn’t prevent them from soiling him -_- (I don’t know how long it will take before I’ll be able to think about this mockery without raging about it)

[@nathanjora7627]

Tyler Worsham yeah, but the problem is we know this ain’t what Lucas set up. Balance was restored when the last siths died, because they were the unbalance, they were the disturbance, they and any other dark side of force user, because the dark side itself is the force when disturbed, it’s the perversion of the force Luke and the jedi tried to get rid of. This whole « the jedi misread the prophecy by thinking Anakin would bring balance by destroying the dark side » thing is nonsense. Fun, and it would make for a good story in its own right (hello kotor), but we know this is not really how the force works. We know that what the force truly is is « the force », and the thing that causes the force to lose balance is the users of the dark side of the force.

[@dermotosullivan3065]

The first step for men to start regaining their power and self-respect is to boycott companies like Gillette who engage in male-bashing advertising.

[@polarblaze9188]

Gillette literally was toxic toward there consumer men lol

[@visioningfaun85]

"Women are saving star wars" I didnt know Dave Filloni was a woman

[@TheZProject115]

​@Harold Teague ye but how long was she in the movie ? she was a baaaaaaad character and kind of annoying when she spoke making women look more dominant

[@billystokes3917]

@Harold Teague I liked Phasma's character design and the idea behind her but she didn't really do anything and she was very boring. Here's a thought. Instead of Palpatine being the villain of episode nine, it should've been Phasma, Hux and Kylo.

[@aregulargamer1]

@@billystokes3917 Here's a thought, Phasma should have taken Kylo Ren's place for being the "Boots on the ground, intimidating bad guy", and Kylo should have been the "Looming presence in the background that doesn't commit to the fight yet, but when he does, you know the heroes are in deep shit"

[@imatoaster_is_here]

“Women are saving Star Wars.” Wait, so The Mandalorian is a woman?

[@beanhunter4647]

They cannot use that as proof anymore either, his face was shown

[@javierlopez9789]

@TheCeilingFanCollectorHD who only appears on 3 episodes out of 8

[@ECWPlays]

@@beanhunter4647 I was just about to say "Voice changer" for a satire comment, but then I say this. I do not own Disney+, because I am poor, I didn't know he had a face reveal.

[@spiderboy43]

Well there is the Mandalorian Armorer, she's a woman and a total badass, but she's a supporting character.

[@BoyDugo02]

Season 2 will be titled "The Womandalorian"

[@365party]

WHY DID SHE BRING ASHOKA INTO THIS.... leave her out of this.

[@joaquinfernandez1752]

Are we gonna compare an actual good character with a mary sue that is used as a marketing strategy.

[@tomorchard6660]

Comparing Ashoka to Rey is like comparing a Lamborghini to a Fiat 500

[@brunoveloso5693]

@@tomorchard6660 at least a fiat 500 has some emotional value, Rey is just straight up bland...

[@tomorchard6660]

Bruno Veloso this is true

[@subducks5521]

@@tomorchard6660 boom. Roasted

[@spectralknightgaming8364]

Feminist: star wars now has a strong female character Me: only a sith deals in absolute Feminist: wow you don't like rey in star wars your sexist Me: I've seen through the lies of feminism I do not fear true equality as you do

[@agentblakk7096]

LoL

[@agentblakk7096]

Underated comment

[@Oceanrex]

@@agentblakk7096 It truly is.

[@rhyscallinan4402]

I knight you. No longer Padawan, you shall be now Master Spectral Knight Gaming. Rise and join your fellow Jedi.

[@spectralknightgaming8364]

@@rhyscallinan4402 I thank you for the rank of master

[@Comakino]

1977: Use the force, Luke 2019: Use the forced diversity

[@ThePrinceOfSpace413]

Love your icon

[@ThePrinceOfSpace413]

Brodah, dis is de way.

[@pokemonlorekeeper151]

This comment hits the mark exactly for the sequel trilogy

[@guywithrevolver]

This feels like it would be one of those boomer comics.

[@alexkogan9755]

Meanwhile the good women characters of Star Wars are relegated to being “legends” in favor of Kathleen Kennedy’s self-insert fanfiction character.

[@vargunbard3526]

Heroes get remembered, but legends never die. They can try to decanonize it all they want but too many people prefer it for that to really happen.

[@jakie4444]

@@emberfist8347 ashoka is dead as well since rye is the last one and now hast the collective knowledge of the jedi and if another trilogy is down the pipeline later on in the future that's gonna be hell of a lot of shit to fix but i think Disney will try to reboot the whole series before than

[@devonmarr9872]

Kreya, the female general under Revan, Revan (depending on what medium), Bastilla, Dutchess Satine, etc

[@wewerna6191]

@@devonmarr9872 Nah, Satine was trash. Her sister, on the other hand...

[@illyria7756]

How hard is it to write a story based on a (variation of) "hero's journey" type of arc or something similar that has proven to work in stories for thousands of years. These people went to school for that didn't they? Oh wait they prioritize politics above good storytelling, like that ever worked.

[@user-ks9ib4ti3f]

"Have you ever heard the tragedy of Star Wars the great? I thought not. It's not a story a feminist would tell you. It was a great franchise. Star Wars were the most popular movies ever, so popular and so wise it could use the popularity to influence the fans to create greatness… It had such a knowledge of the darkness, it could even keep the feminists from complaining. It became so powerful… the only thing it was afraid of was losing it's greatness, which eventually, of course, it did. Unfortunately, it taught the feminists everything it knew, then the feminists killed the franchise in it's sleep. Ironic. It could save others from death, but not himself."

[@ericward8459]

...Is it possible to learn from this great franchise?

[@user-ks9ib4ti3f]

@@ericward8459 "Not from a feminist.."

[@ericward8459]

@@user-ks9ib4ti3f Then I shall seek out these fans and find greatness at its source. *pulls up hood and walks away into the night, looking for the one called Master Zahn, creator of "Heir to the Empire"*

[@dominator9710]

Seriously the best comment thread

[@otomatonesattheendoftime2396]

"It's over star wars, I have more information on the franchise!" "You underestimate my girl power"

[@malikarsyasakani]

The thing I like about Leia is the fact she can dress up as an awesome bounty hunter to rescue Han.

[@evvers1136]

"women are saving StarWars" Dave Filoni isn't a woman.

[@sonder_1620]

Give this man a raise

[@YAH93]

Neither is Jon Favreau. But wait... Deborah Chow is!

[@canadiangoose3598]

Facts

[@Сайтамен]

And George Lucas.

[@sonder_1620]

Саша Черняк I mean he created the series.

[@yobama7797]

Actually it’s Dave Filoni that saves Star Wars

[@Sam8749]

Agree I do

[@thacara]

Clone wars saved Star Wars and was directed by Dave Filoni, Mandalorian is good too but it doesn’t save Star Wars. Only Dave Filoni saves Star Wars, Rian Johnson and JJ Abrhams screwed Star Wars up.

[@Ajlog_]

You are right

[@michaelkata2342]

I believe that but then I saw him publicly support Kennedy and those other tools and tried to shame the fans. Why he did this I don't know, the fans didn't attack his Star Wars series. If anything he should hate them because they are trying to retcon his stuff out of existence (watch out Ahsoka...they are coming for you next).

[@yobama7797]

Michael Kata probs was threatened or bribed

[@redacted4125]

What’s the difference between a knife and a feminist? A knife has a point.

[@bobfishtheblobfish3619]

No, a knife has a point *and use.* Feminists don't have a point *and has literally no use.* Feminists are more akin towards diseases now. They infect and hurt you. Who they infect? Women. Who they hurt? Men. Another key difference is just how useful the knife is. You can use it for: Cooking, Killing, Slicing (Cutting cake etc) and more. Feminists do the following: Waste time, Attempt to violate male human rights, Sexist, (technically) racist, Annoy, Destroy. Infact, diseases are more better just because it can be used to cure people from other disease. (I forgot what its called but I heard somewhere if you have a certain disease, the doctors give you another to give you a fever which kills off the first disease then cures you of the second.)

[@nameredacted9005]

you actually like my cousin now

[@supersuppermanthesoupwilln1116]

You have my spiritual like because it’s at 69.

[@RememberRhodesia]

What’s the difference between suicide vest and a feminist when a suicide vest is triggered it does something

[@raddavito]

Nice comments . felt like I've seen it somewhere

[@kellybornstedt8488]

Just gonna throw this out there- as a lady nerd, I actively avoid 99% of media that features a woman because it's almost always feminist garbage, woke, and completely unrealistic. I can count female leads I like on one hand with fingers to spare- but their strength was not because they were "just as strong or stronger than men" but because they embraced what made them different from men. Sorry- but the average man beat up the best female every time. Look at the fighting between "trans" women and actual women- we're not built for the same things as men. The problem with this new wave of story telling is the story tellers are far too invested in a narrative than reality- and for most ladies like myself (those who aren't running around with blue hair screaming about the sins of white men) it's patronizing.

[@TheRealGanonKirby]

there's only one woman who is ruining Star Wars and her name is Kennedy

[@kyotheman69]

not for long, how bad episode 9 is doing she will be fired

[@WomanBettar59]

kyotheman69 doubt it with their bullshit

[@otherfelizgarnica7603]

And the bunch of people supporting her

[@magmos6346]

And her story group.

[@guestb6319]

And rey.

[@nathanielmiranda2426]

Do you guys realize that Jar Jar, one of the MOST hated thing in Star Wars history has a better arc than Rey had?

[@That_Guy_Ty]

Nathaniel Miranda if someone asked me if I liked Rey or jar jar binks, I would choose jar jar in a heartbeat.

[@rorrim0]

@@That_Guy_Ty petition to remake the 9th installment, to have Jar Jar as the ultimate evil instead of undead palpatine?

[@emiyabalshoi7141]

@@rorrim0 Where's Sith Lord Jar Jar when you need him?

[@k0rokin157]

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

[@123GOHANZ]

Tyler Butschli At least Jar Jar is endearing in a weird way. Sure he’s a klutz but at least he’s well meaning.

[@gilmadreth680]

Saying feminism saved Star Wars is analogous to a doctor claiming they cured a patient of cancer by shooting them in the head. The only difference is that the doctor's patient actually has cancer.

[@otomatonesattheendoftime2396]

No, it's like a doctor saying they cured a patient from cancer by shooting him in the head, even though the patient never had cancer

[@gilmadreth680]

@@otomatonesattheendoftime2396 valid point.

[@Sgt_ioiwsl]

When he says “the shitty ghostbusters film” he knows you know which one he’s talking about

[@malahamavet]

Every single female character in the clone wars show: Hold my spaceship

[@leelambert1559]

Vasili Stan except the 2 from the season 7 4 episode arc who’s name we don’t speak in this household.

[@barrybend7189]

Feminists: we want strong female characters. Star wars fans: Bastila Shan, Kriea, the Exile, Leia, Ashoka Tano and Mara Jade. 3/4ths of my examples were removed by feminists in Disney.

[@faydreamsmystic4]

and hell if they wanted a more meaning full story the coulfd've done the Jana and Jacen solo (eu) twins story and had bad ass gal, family and an absolutlly heart breaking end

[@Jon_EL]

Barry Bend Jania Solo and Ventress also

[@seangray6131]

Don't forget about Namoi Sunrider

[@asdf51501]

They don't want "strong female characters" so much as they want weak male characters.

[@faydreamsmystic4]

@@seangray6131 oh man that would also mean a movie with Exar Kun! From the Legends of the Old Republic! Talk about awesome!

[@Vivigreeny25]

"Women are saving Star Wars!" *The Grand Army of the Republic aren't women*

[@olszu3350]

You have earned my respect. For the Republic!

[@michaelhodnett431]

What about the empire that is not told through rebel propaganda?

[@Stirgud]

For the Republic!!!!

[@Sharpteeth32]

And the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire!!!

[@keniel-prime6214]

Shaak ti?

[@DarthCheese]

Women aren't saving Star Wars, Obi Wan is.

[@vunfueherrvun5942]

Star war prequels are better than the sequels. "Becuase of Obi Wan"

[@amicus2773]

@@vunfueherrvun5942 I liked the prequels more than the originals

[@rhyscallinan4402]

George Lucas is the Chosen One.

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

You weren't EXPECTED to follow your own pop-culture, woman! It became pop-culture for women because you LIKED IT!

[@lucasaubin5731]

Women aren't saving Star Wars... Baby Yoda is

[@Atoronz]

This is the way.

[@MrJoelMiller]

lucas aubin you have spoken

[@thenord3218]

@@Atoronz This is the way.

[@cloakz9292]

The Dr No aren’t you joyful

[@thedrno4901]

Cloakz joyful isn’t something one considers when building a Empire, though watching the Emperor put Yoda in exile, that does put a smile on my face

[@Random_Chiroptera]

I don't mind OP characters, but an OP character without training is bullshit. I mean even Galen Marek went through at least 20-30 years of secret tutelage under Vader. I mean yeah, he had all that power from the start, but without training he couldn't touch but a tiny fraction of it.

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

Yes, there are ways to create characters that are incredibly powerful for the setting but they need to be *characters* first - an OP character like Dr. Manhattan in the "Watchmen" universe, for example, attained his abilities as the result of a freak accident and the attainment of said abilities radically altered his perception of the world in such a way that he can't relate to the average person anymore (resulting in him becoming rather passive towards events transpiring around him - eventually suffering a mental breakdown before one of his former colleagues convinces him to value life again). This is how an OP character is done properly within the context of a dark and gritty drama - the likes of Kathleen Kennedy should have made notes on this character before writing the Amazing Wonder Rey...

[@Random_Chiroptera]

@@FrankCastle-tq9bz I think the Galen Marek example fits a dark gritty backstory. Sure, we don't get to see much of it, but we know he witnesses Vader killing the only person Galen knew as family, and all his friends, then he become a secret apprentice the Sith way starting as a small child.

[@TheJoker-qo4fg]

Random Chiroptera actually he trained only for 13 years as he was 17 yo when tfu took place and about 4 yo when Vader met him

[@phalanx3803]

some OP character are good without training if there a reason like the MC from the anime called In a another world with my smart phone ⬇SPOILERS⬇ where the MC is accidentally killed by god so god gives him a second chance at life in another world that's has magic and makes the MC OP. but Rey shes OP because ........... umm .......... her dad maybe was general grievous? the force made her? no that's already bean done oh i know MIDICHLORIANS!!! i could make a good reason for how she is so powerful maybe one of the kyber crystal from the death star survived and was floating through space and after years of floating through space it crashes in to a planet and hits close to Rey's mum's home and theres kyber crystal dust all through the air and her mum inhales some and while already pregnant with Rey it does some funky force stuff to her. then after being born Reys mother and farther are killed by bandits and they take Rey planing to sell here then some idiot loses her in a game of sabacc or something like that. if someone want's to expand upon that idea feel free to but i want credit for coming with the raw idea.

[@Random_Chiroptera]

@@TheJoker-qo4fg Then somebody in graphic design at Lucasarts doesn't understand how puberty works. However, 13 years of that kind of training plus the trauma of everything that happened leading up to meeting Vader. That's not exactly rainbows and unicorns. That kid went through 13 years of Hell to develop that much that fast, and already suffering traumatic events that most adult soldiers have a hard time coping with. You can correct my guesswork, which wasn't too far off to begin with, all you like, but if you're attempting to dispute him as a valid example of an OP character who had to earn it, you're going to have to do better than some pretentious "Well actually...."

[@PapaGatorGaming]

Liz Elting: Women are saving Star Wars Just Some Guy: Amazing, every word of what you just said is wrong

[@narwhale.]

braindead feminists: how do we make people accept our horrible, personality lacking characters? logical movie watchers: that's the neat part. you don't

[@shadowfort1985]

Stalin sauce Brain dead feminists: wElL iF yOu dOn’T lIKe tHaT yOuR rAcIsT, sExiSt, aNd sTuPid. Me: The ability to speak does not make you intelligent

[@snakanter]

This-Karen: "NeRd CuLtUrE iS ExClUsIvElY fOr WhItE mEn!!!" Me, who grew up playing dnd with a variety of genders, races, and sexuality: "Yeah, sure."

[@reallybigmistake]

idk my dude it was always a white sausage fest with a few black and Asian friends that did not fit in with people of their own race. Remember one kid who used to play DnD with me getting hell from almost every black person in school and his family. I felt really bad for him, he was a real player and I will never forget that. We had a girl play table top 40k with us but she only really liked to paint the models and she was the best but also her sister and parents looked down on her. These feminist nutjobs are only attacking us because it is mostly white people doing all these nerd things. Ever been to star wars celebration, whites sausage extravaganza along with fat women.

[@theredmm9688]

I really really like ur last name

[@reallybigmistake]

@@theredmm9688 Roger Roger

[@snakanter]

@@theredmm9688 That is the weirdest compliment i've ever received. Thank you!

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@reallybigmistake You make a good point that nerd culture is not "diverse" is hardly the fault of white men. The archetypal story about the girl getting creeped on when she joined a gaming group happens more in feminist fantasy than in fact.

[@CombativeMedic]

"Considering women make up the majority of moviegoers"...? Source? And do you have the statics on the movie genres and titles of that supposed source? Personally, as a woman, I never spent a dime on a movie to see a Mary Sue. I went because I wanted to see the story -and maybe fall in love with the characters along the way. I'll never forgive Round-Face or Disney for what they did to the original trilogies. They ruined Han and Luke, and even made Leia out as weak because she decided she wanted nothing to do with the Force and instead become a political and military leader... They ruined the original trio as a whole. They didn't save a damn thing.

[@filipvadas7602]

Preach

[@maradorgold5596]

@Frank Castle It also depends on the genre. Action etc. = More Men than women. Drama, Romance = More women. So unless one goes for drama, or romance one should def. cater more to men.

[@JoelKellenProductions]

Han was decent, or was was fucked over the least, in my opinion. I did kinda like that he finally accepted that the Force was real, and Harrison Ford even wanted to be killed off at the end. Hell, if I'm correct, he wanted Han to die way back in Empire. The only part I really hated about his character in the Force Awakens is that Rey apparently knew more about the ship than he did (ripping out a piece of electronics somehow fixes problems now.)

[@dakit79]

Women make up 52% of movie audiences according to the MPAA. So that can only mean that most women would rather have a good story rather than political messaging and gender politics else "woke" movies would not be flopping so bad. I think one thing that both men and women have in common is that we need to care about the characters to be invested in the story.

[@imnohbody]

@@JoelKellenProductions Yes, regarding Ford wanting Han to be killed off. metro.co.uk/2014/06/08/star-wars-george-lucas-reveals-that-harrison-ford-wanted-han-solo-to-die-4754151/ (Kinda clickbait-worded article, but everything else I saw in a brief web search was about TFA.)

[@ms.fish1238]

Women are saving Star Wars But I like Ashoka Her: she’s a alien Me: how about princes lia Her:never heard of here The comments are somthing.

[@suprisebuttsecksspy5958]

I do smash alien ahsoka

[@styxart1]

suprise buttsecks spy I hope you do iron rebels thats good. But if you do during the clone wars the clone fbi be coming for you

[@suprisebuttsecksspy5958]

@@styxart1 me: ho are you aprroaching me? clone fbi: i cant beat the shit out of you without getting closer Me: hoho then come close as you like Clone Fbi: **start running toward** Me: **being invisible and throw female potion** Clone fbi: **being female loli** what!? my body what happen!? Me: **appear behind loli clone fbi and grab her butt** Suprise....... *Buttsecks!!!*

[@styxart1]

suprise buttsecks spy aren’t the clones 10 years old cause double age

[@fegeleinherman8587]

Suprise buttsecks spy hah gaaaaayyyy

[@ghostleemann955]

yeah, reminds me of when I was roleplaying with a friend, he'd pull out a character with max stats cause he could do that cause he was the host, and when we want to make an actual choice he'd kill us, the WHOLE time

[@rhyscallinan4402]

DM: *pulls out op card* You an intellectual: *lights card with flamethrower*

[@eichelhaher7186]

Reminds me of that one story were a DM made it harder and harder for the party, just because they didn't do exactly what the DM wanted them to do. As in ( One path goes left the other goes right, the DM wants you to go the left way, but the party decides to go the right way )

[@inary682]

@@eichelhaher7186 and even if you survive, the DM would just instantly create an encounter with an overpowered boss.

[@Stereo6400]

Women are saving Star Wars, hm? Well, you can’t save something that didn’t and doesn’t need saving in the first place, now, can you?

[@bluenitethewarrior9332]

Jesus Christ thank you!! Lmao Star Wars is one of the most popular Fanrchises out there. It's Star Wars!!! People were still loving star Wars when no movies were coming out. No one said "oh star Wars is shit you know what it needs a strong female character who a god at everything. Oh and let's destroy the legacy of all the previous characters"

[@darthtroller]

SJWs hate the prequels cuz the politics don't match real world current politics, so they think Star Wars needs saving from the prequels and then they rehash the OT

[@Vivigreeny25]

It needs saving now 😂

[@GriffithVA]

Help us George Lucas, you're our only hope!

[@internetlurker1850]

You sound like Yoda but he is not dyslexic.

[@yeet1399]

"Women are saving star wars" Pretty sure Baby Yoda isn't a woman

[@photonz1812]

Inb4 the reveal...

[@faiz486]

@@photonz1812 its a he, the scientist says it

[@ThePrinceOfSpace413]

Why is this not top commitment

[@lukecalumlyonwrath7723]

Don't give them any ideas.

[@godemperortrump6932]

He might identify as a woman

[@WillCarter1976]

"The force is female": Outgoing head of LucasArts. Me: Ah...So that's why these new movies can't carry their own weight...

[@nayeemhaque1064]

No, no, no! The force is transgender and the force is brave!

[@bluenitethewarrior9332]

@@nayeemhaque1064 and stunning!!

[@Estatsize]

Wait..isnt The force Anikains father

[@rredhawk]

Seeing those T-shirts infuriated me. The Force is neither male nor female. At least that's how I always perceived it. I swear I'll never bother to go see anything produced by any of these women with chips on their shoulders and who can't seem to get over themselves enough to just settle down and write a decent story line.

[@jackd6269]

Did someone actually say that?

[@realemetic1]

"The girls want all the benefits of the hero's journey without any of the consequences, complications, or responsibilities".....that, my friend, is pure gold! I've never heard truer words spoken - and that's not just limited to Star Wars!

[@Jaxmusicgal23]

These type woman-child want this. Real women dont want Rey and these “Mary Sue” characters because they know the journey of “growing up”.

[@bulldozer8950]

My three problems with Star Wars: 1) Luke got ruined 2) Ashoka wasn’t in the sequel trilogy 3) Leia can actively use the force 4) Rey

[@ScionStorm1]

Leia using the force was about the only interesting thing of the new trilogy to me. I always thought it was weird only one of the twins was in tune with the force. I would have preferred they just chuck Rey in a dumpster, light it on fire and then focus on exploring Leia's relationship to the force in the absence of her brother.

[@ericshawn3169]

Dinooo these episodes better go somewhere bc so far the last 3 episodes have been a bore and pointless filler. I’m getting scared to see what’s going to happen with her because these episodes aren’t a good tell

[@kireba268]

What are you saying now?

[@ericshawn3169]

Erik Baars I’m ecstatic bc Disney gave Dave Filoni free reigns to actually make something great.

[@JPGadson1]

Dinooo they can’t dave filoni made her so they have no rights to her. And he make The clone wars

[@KainaX122]

"Women are saving Star Wars" Me: "From WHAT???"

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

Right, it didn't need saving to begin with

[@KainaX122]

Payton Shaffer Exactly. Star Wars was an incredibly popular franchise anyway before the latest trilogy started up. It was in no danger of dying off as far as I could tell so what were they trying to save it FROM?

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

@@KainaX122 from men?

[@KainaX122]

Payton Shaffer toxic masculine Star Wars fans [insert stereotypical feminist picture]

[@korvincarry3268]

Themselves

[@PTSayoriD]

"It wasn't made for you!" WHO THE HELL ELSE WAS IT MADE FOR!? Disney must come to terms with the fact that the only reason why Star Wars has remained profitable and relevant after lackluster prequels and decade-long hiatuses is because of all the middle-aged, Jeff Albertson-esque fans that have been financially supporting this franchise for the last 42 years. That may be a tough pill to swallow for a company pandering to minorities and women, but it's reality. It's the geeks that buy the action figures, and collect the comics, and play the video games are the ones that have been keeping this franchise alive all these years, and Disney has alienated them.

[@conradojavier7547]

Imagine the Manga-Ka is Fighting with a Weeaboo, Who bought his Manga.

[@drewhalcro6082]

Another great example is Ghibli. Almost all of their films have female leads with males as supporting roles and people love the films. Assumedly because they put more focus on the journey and the story elements Girl=Good Boy=Bad.

[@Soridan]

Feminists sure love to roleplay as Don Quixote, tilting at windmills thinking they're fighting giants.

[@oliverwilhelm6171]

Underrated post.

[@TheRisky9]

Holy, shit yeah. It's all in the name of capturing the glory of a yesteryear movement of feminism.

[@asarishepard8171]

best analogy against current feminism ive ever heard :P well done.

[@reharl4953]

Windmills they first must build themselves.

[@Gozokukolat]

@@reharl4953 Made from straw to look like men.

[@Valiguss]

Rey doesn’t really teach people that “anyone can be a hero” it teaches to me that “ anyone is a hero who is born with random super powers”

[@satoshikazami6958]

True. I saw a string of back and forth between some feminist and a logical person about WHY captain marvel was such a bad movie and it came down to the logical person making a sound argument and the feminist tripping over their own points. In my opinion(and many others), captain marvel has the same issues the star wars sequel trilogy has. 1. All of these movies focus too much on female empowerment and pander to the people demanding it, rather than making a good movie. 2. The main characters (Ray and carol danvers) are overpowered with nothing to challenge them. It's no wonder that wonder woman was a much much better movie about feminism since a lot of "Feminists" don't realize that feminism isn't about being better than men; It's about being equal to men. That's why the original star wars trilogy was so good, since princess Leia needed obi-wan as much as the other male characters needing Princess Leia. That's how you write female empowerment with out it being boring or forced." 3. all of these films boost the female characters while dumbing down the male characters. In the case of the damsel in distress cliche, it's a male fantasy to save a female. Because we want to feel useful to the love of our life. That however is NOT dumbing female characters down. it IS dumbing a male character down when you make them bumbling idiots with no way to help while a "feminist" talks down to you. the reason why the damsel in distress scenario works is because deep down, you know that while the female character needs saving from a physical attack, the male character needs emotional support and love from the female character and that the man goes through hell and back for the woman he loves. That codependency is why a good film doesn't need to pander or to dumb characters down to "empower" any one gender." As previously shown time and time again, you can have good movies/shows/games with a strong female lead for example, wonder woman, star wars the animated series with Ahsoka tano, kill bill and the list goes on." Nowadays, feminism is less about being equal to men but rather being superior to men. those are just my (long ass) thoughts. What do you think?

[@milkdrinkerer669]

Anyone can be a hero if their grandfather was a sith lord

[@stonefree7973]

@@satoshikazami6958 You hit the nail on the head. Being a good female character isn't about strictly being a badass or better than men. It's about having flaws and vulnerability, learning from your mistakes and improving yourself. That's what a likeable character should be, not just a constant badass. Countless pieces of fiction have had amazing female characters, what excuse did the sequel trilogy have?

[@repstyle8518]

@@satoshikazami6958 Just to add to your point here's a bunch of Female-led movies with strong independent women who were good on their own merits: Aliens Wonder Woman Xena warrior princess Kill Bill Hunger games Charlies Angels (2000’s) Thelma and Louise Resident evil Tomb Raider Underworld Haywire Sucker Punch Frozen Mulan (animated) Lilo and stich Brave Matilda Black swan Gravity Juno Pride and prejudice Lucy Jackie Brown Salt Kickass Alita Battle Angel Maleficent Moana Columbiana The Help Even if some leads had bad moments or whatever the stories were for the most part good and didnt force Ideals , they flowed naturally making them compelling stories.

[@gabrielescaringi5194]

Rey's wikipedia definition

[@marhip7182]

"Women are saving star wars". I thought dave filoni was a man.

[@thespideronyourwall1607]

Weird, I thought the same.

[@Wjqk503]

Dave is TG, u have not heard?

[@pepebabushki9376]

@@Wjqk503 tg?

[@lucjanssen3567]

@@pepebabushki9376 Trans Gender

[@pepebabushki9376]

@@lucjanssen3567 he's not but OK...

[@carlosmiguel8347]

“Women are saving star wars” Wow, really? Didnt know baby yoda was a girl but ok

[@potatokilr7789]

At least we still have -The Mandalorian- Baby Yoda Show

[@sonicgem9122]

Ahsoka = 👌

[@scrotasackoforyx5848]

I feel like Rey could have been better like way better

[@sonicgem9122]

@@scrotasackoforyx5848 yeach she could but she isn't

[@juju9686]

Ventress 👌🏽

[@notsoverysmartperson4743]

Yaddle = 👌

[@vlweb3d]

*WOMEN ARE MOST DEFINITELY NOT SAVING STAR WARS.* Disney Star Wars completely disrespected the OFFICIAL and APPROVED lore of The Expanded Universe and they also disrespected George Lucas's storylines, just to prop up their feminist agenda. *WITHOUT RESPECT, WE REJECT!* *#DisneyStarWarsNotCanon*

[@ashtonbyrd3686]

I agree with that. The new trilogy just did not feel right.

[@cairocalleros839]

Yes, thank you.....we will go to war if necessary my brothers and sisters

[@GranddukeofWales]

Disney doesn't give a shit about the fans. They said it themselves they only care about the money. DEATH TO DISNEY.!!!!!!!

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@GranddukeofWales bring out the mouse trap!!!!

[@Helperbot-2000]

@A Random Dude fuck disney wars

[@gplgs4640]

Here’s a social experiment 1. Create a very Star Wars-like movie, with a big adventure and the hero’s journey and all that 2. Make the main protagonist male: this is the key component to this whole thing 3. Make him insanely overpowered. In fact, within the first ten minutes of the film, show off that he can use a sword like a master with years of training, despite previously being a rancher. 4. Introduce the big bad guy of the film 5. Continuing the hero’s quest, make the protagonist meet an old wise man... then disregarding him completely 6. Have him also shown off to be an ace pilot 7. Halfway into the movie, make sure he’s already near the enemy’s location, fighting off henchman after henchman like he’s trained martial arts under Shaolin Monks for decades 9. To draw out the time, be sure to show off his ninja levels of stealth, and his professional hacking skills 8. Have him fight and defeat the big bad guy of the film with little to no effort whatsoever, despite being a rancher at the beginning of the film. 9. Release the film to the public Side note: Be sure to ignore any essence of a character arc or character depth as a whole. That just makes our main character take longer to show off how incredibly powerful he is at everything. *Now watch how the audience reacts to your main character*

[@gloriabandersnooch4841]

Mk. On my way

[@logann.5355]

“This movie is sexist because it portrays an overly powered male with misogynistic ideals”

[@darkwhispersstories47]

@@logann.5355 the fact that this will actually happen... Makes me just sad

[@dexterjettster3683]

Logan N. Wow I didn’t know someone had that many brain cells that they could predict that

[@EnrocaLaRoca]

@@fm_0523 Also Starkiller has another GOOD reason to be insanely powerful: he's from a videogame. And not any videogame, a freaking hack n' slash, or power-fantasy-first-story-second. He's powerful because being powerful in a videogame is funny, which is what devs are looking for when making a videogame. Plus he has reasons in the story to be that powerful (namely, having a strong connection with the Force and being trained by Vader as you said).

[@fireblade696]

The funny thing is that the people saving Star Wars (Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau) happen to be men, but they aren’t saving Star Wars because of their gender, they are saving it because they understand Star Wars

[@smasher-pq3yu]

lets just say it officially: Disneys Star Wars is just a bad wannabe fan film remake and is not a part of the real star wars saga.

[@theantknight6132]

Luke training Leia will stay cannon to me but yeah the rest can go

[@locolobo2849]

Agreed

[@leelambert1559]

And Rouge One. Keep Rogue One.

[@theantknight6132]

@TheDuck ThatQuacks that was because Dave filoni handled that. Dave needs to be put in charge, he knows what he's doing, and he has a passion for the galaxy that is being made

[@turbosaiyan93]

*That's, why I'm here.* Yeah, I don't believe or accept those movies.

[@Elerad]

Man that article was making me twitch. How does a person that poisonous and nasty go through life? Do you spend every day looking about you for things to make you angry? Shudder. What a miserable existence. Great response, sir. As always.

[@jovenc4508]

They always need something to bitch about. It's the only thing that gives their miserable lives any meaning.

[@dakit79]

They believe they are being good and virtuous by fighting against imaginary injustices. Social justice is pretend virtuousness for the nihilists and highly prevalent in Hollywood.

[@andrewhoult5178]

Elerad, I agree. To quote a cliche, - these people " make my blood boil ". They must wake up every morning and literally, the first thing they think is ' right, - what can I get offended by today. '? Plus, there is a lot of The Dunning Krueger effect going on here.

[@InfernosReaper]

These vultures literally build a damn career using exaggerated outrage over low-hanging fruit instead of using their spotlight time to address *real* issues. This was highlighted with a competition between 2 fundraisers going on around the same time. More money went to funding some lazy, self-indulgent feminist video series by an unreliable creator than went to the International Women's Health Coalition, a human rights and health organization aimed at helping women in poor and/or repressive countries

[@LemonPieJedi]

“It’s not the story of a hero, but a story of the becoming of one”

[@rebeccaschroder3000]

You sir have more brain cells than most of Hollywood

[@TeamFriendship8600]

Yeah, we don't like Spider-Man just because he's a superhero. We like seeing him struggle with keeping his identity a secret and how being a superhero affects his everyday life.

[@TeamFriendship8600]

No one likes a character who's sole trait is being heroic. We like seeing what drives them to do what they do and the struggles they face.

[@ginamartindale8095]

Truth.

[@theaprentice6437]

It is sad what they did to Kylo. He seemed like such a cool character in Battlefront but they ruined him in the movies.

[@davida12345]

he seemed cool in a video game? lol ok

[@gregrobinette8620]

​@@davida12345 yes...? I was 13 when I played BF2, I remember fondly. Playing Kylo Ren in the tutorial as it downloaded was awesome! He was badass because appearance and gameplay is all that matters in arcade. He sucked in the movies and I'm convinced Adam Driver was hired cuz he said the offensive Nigeria one time (for a movie). He's no character, just the obvious Red Team, vs Rey, the obvious Blue Team. So lazy. But yknow whats funny? Star Wars is based on Asians, so what they did was add crossguards to a katana...isnt that cultural appropiation? Yet they use identity politics to defend their horrible writing. Jacen Solo is better by a million 🙏🏽🪶

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

True Story: (asking my 10 year old son) "Do you want to go see Rise of Skywalker?" Him: "No." This from the kid who wanted to be Kylo Ren for halloween when Force Awakens came out. I guess Last Jedi killed his fandom. 💔💔💔

[@athan13590]

Same story, I am 14 at this point and my Dad asked me if I wanted to watch The Rise of Skywalker, I loved the force aweakens, but after the last jedi I didn't feel like continuing anymore, then he wanted to watch it with me in my birthday recently but I refused, he isn't a star wars fan at all, but he still got dissapointed.

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

@@athan13590 😢 I'm sorry you lost your enthusiasm for it. It's on Disney+ if you have it. I wish I could tell you Rise of Skywalker makes it better, but it is still kind of a jumbled up mess. The Mandalorian is a great show though. And always feel creative if they are wrecking your fandom, write your own stories.

[@littletovar8750]

Freakshow Filmfestival don’t forget the clone wars

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

@@littletovar8750 I can't comment on anything other than the Mandalorian or the movies, because the only tv stuff I have seen is Droids and Ewoks and the Holiday Special. I didn't really watch Clone Wars or Rebels or anything else.

[@littletovar8750]

Freakshow Filmfestival the clone wars is a good cartoon and fixes plot holes that the prequels never filled but it can be confusing

[@LinkDemonwing]

"Women had their own pop culture institutions expected to follow" Men did to, Thats the point of geek culture, its for those who dont follow the expectations

[@Joawlisdoingfine]

This sort of stuff used to be just for Geeks. This is how we found people like us. Now its a meaningless trend.

[@lordgaroro]

@@Joawlisdoingfine well atleast, a dumbass like me was able to find it thanks to it becoming mainstream, and now I love star wars. Not the sequels, but most other thing , the prequel moves aren't that great, but the lightsaber fights in them are epic, and the shows and the games are amazing

[@JohnDoe-hr4cf]

Notice how she rolled sports into geek culture...

[@LinkDemonwing]

@man with no username Well the whole point was about how geek culture goes outside of expectations or just what people gravitate the most

[@LordWyatt]

‘Stand only with us, or we won’t stand with you.’ Me: Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.

[@internetlurker1850]

She also tries to gain *power* , *rages* a lot becuse of her *philosophy* and *ideology* . All of those things are attributed to sith, welp, time to get the clones!

[@lunablader7913]

@@internetlurker1850 nah dont waste money on the clones. Just be like darth vader and yeet them down a hole

[@internetlurker1850]

@@lunablader7913 *Imperial March intensifies*

[@VileWithABass]

Don't rope the sith into this, we have no connection to the imposters, we're busy waiting in hiding.

[@biggsdarklighter0473]

@@VileWithABass Ok, you can definetly add some of your mandalorian shock troopers to the effort

[@NinjaBray]

Lukes story made sense from viewing it as a heros journey In a new Hope he's cocky, overconfident, and naive. In empire strikes back he's very similar but with some jedi training, at the end of the film he finds put who his father is and is humbled by the loss of both his hand and lightsaber In jedi he's fully trained, prepared, and disciplined and turns his father back to the light side.

[@herb1947]

Guys, if George Lucas dosent like the new star wars, it isn't cannon

[@zylowolf7919]

So George doesn't like it, the actors hate it, and so do the real Star Wars fans. This isn't canon. It's a fever dream. A fanfic witj no logic or plot. Pointless. A waste of everyone's time and money. The only reason anyone saw it, the only reason anyone is disscussing it is because it's what Disney called Star Wars canon.

[@k0rokin157]

and thats a fact

[@emrlem258alvarado3]

Wait the sequels are not canon

[@wamko8493]

c r u m b s :} floor gang

[@athan13590]

by this logic mara jade is non-canon as well.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

If by saving Star Wars, you mean "cutting the franchise's beloved characters apart and replacing them with new parts that don't work and actively hurt it," then yes, they are saving Star Wars.

[@alcerdemon9768]

Chell from Portal is a better female character than Rey

[@MaynardCrow]

I agree. Considering she never talks, that says something.

[@sorenweber3599]

GLaDOS is a better female Charakter than Rey

[@alcerdemon9768]

@@sorenweber3599 I know, Glados is one of the best written characters ever, but I said Chell because even tho she never speaks, not even a grunt, you can feel what she is feeling, you know the anger she has, Valve has even said that she is perfectly capable of speaking she just so annoyed by the robots around her that she refuse to engage in conversation with any of them to dignify them, you know what she is feeling because, it's a videogame and she and the player is basically the same, Glados is amazing, but Chell who literally never speaks a single word, has a neutral looking face all the time, never conveys emotion trough movement, is a better character than Rey

[@TheWeasel813]

Alcer The Demon Chell has one grunt in Portal 1 but it’s just a reused Half Life sound

[@diegoandrade467]

Rey can talk tho

[@NessaEllenesse]

Femist: Only men hate the new star wars Me: I am a lot harsher on the new star wars than my husband who has actually defended a couple of the decisions in the movie to me.

[@rhyscallinan4402]

Wow, just... wow. You got my respect Ma'am

[@ac_sign]

if women are saving star wars then why do people love kylo ren more than rey

[@Menace_To_Society-_-]

I only fucked with kylo ren because he looked fire (with his mask on) but the movies were ass though

[@zacharyrollick6169]

He has the most depth of any of the characters. Still an emo though.

[@ttv_mrjack6749]

He looks awesome and that holds like 50% of his fanbase, but his also the only developed character with clear motives and growth.

[@OscarFlores-vm9dc]

@@zacharyrollick6169 Basically every sith really.

[@TREVORVADER]

the dariusqw Kylo Ren was the only one I thought had much potential.

[@Isolated_Inception]

Hey, wanna hear a joke? How do you know when someones a feminist? You never stop hearing about it Ohh wait, that's not a joke.. that's just sad

[@denmark1226]

Same thing applies to vegans

[@oliverfougere6296]

Oooooooof.

[@tedscheett9420]

Let's not forget Furries. I regret nothing.

[@Isolated_Inception]

@@tedscheett9420 cant confirm that, the only furry I know I have known for over two years and only found out a few days ago XD

[@fuzi5303]

Isolated Inception true facts

[@YeagerBomb-ww3bn]

Seeing how the franchise is falling on it's face on the big screen, merchandise is stuck on the shelves, and Public relations in general is just a fail; safe to say women aren't saving Star Wars. Proof is in the lack of profit.

[@YeagerBomb-ww3bn]

@Steve Campbell Go Gundam!

[@YeagerBomb-ww3bn]

@Steve Campbell after my own heart

[@philipcharles207]

Let's not forget the SW themed amusement parks that aren't doing too well. Women couldn't save them either.

[@barrybend7189]

Some how this line popped in my head from KOTOR 2: "Apathy is death".

[@Slender_Man_186]

The only Star Wars merch doing well are the LEGO sets, and that’s because it’s LEGO. Even then, it seemed like the shelves at my mega Walmart weren’t even being restocked.

[@HokageAlex]

Leia and Ahsoka are a perfect example of how you write strong female characters

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Padme

[@Ashley-the-fox]

@@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme clone wars padme is great

[@aether2002]

I wish they had wrote rey a little differently she could have been a very beloved character. I love rey but i see her character faults and see they could have done more to make her great

[@mcostagirl123]

As a long-time female Star Wars fan I can honestly say I didn't need Star Wars to be female centric. I loved Leia in the original trilogy, she may not have been stronger than Luke or Vader, but she wasn't a prissy helpless damsel in distress. In the prequel trilogy I also loved Padme for very similar reasons. In the Expanded Universe I liked Mara Jade, Guri, Lumiya and Darth Talon, plus the Nightsisters. I never felt like Star Wars wasn't aimed at women; yes I understood that it was primarily aimed at guys, but that's because most "nerd stuff" was aimed at guys. I can see the appeal of having Star Wars movies with a female jedi as the lead and, on paper, it sounds like a really interesting idea. The problem for me was in the execution. I didn't need Rey to be perfect or unbeatable, that's not what makes a character interesting or much less relatable. As a person Rey was bland, I feel like I barely learned anything about her throughout the 3 movies, and her lack of flaws made me feel like there were no stakes. I think it all boils down to a much larger issue plaguing the film industry as a whole, the idea that fans won't support strong female characters unless they're devoid of flaws.

[@TheRisky9]

When I read their motives for gender swapping, I see nothing short of shear cynical, nihilistic, and outright disgust of the series as it is. They view as a thing that is problematic and needs fixing. "Girls will like it if we just 'fix' it and turn it into a space for them." Of course, we know what they mean by "space." Mostly a girl's club of "No Boys Allowed." (ie "It wasn't made for you.") Basically, they're aiming blindly for a demographic that doesn't exist. Yes, there is a strong female fanbase for Star Wars, but that, if anything, should indicate that all the women who would see Star Wars are already watching Star Wars. There’s no patriarchy stopping them. There never was one. I personally, have little care about Star Wars. In my world it exists in a realm of “I can take it or leave it.” Having a female character isn’t going to change my perspective from someone who enjoys, but has little care for, Star Warsn as a whole, into a die hard fanatic who says, “More, please!” Star Wars is going to need a lot more than that to capture my interest in that way. And that’s what most women feel.

[@omegamark9178]

Growing up,it seemed to me inclusive by it's nature. Both genders and all races enjoyed it from what i remember. But this seems to me not a push to make it "inclusive",but to make a preachy statement by having bland characters led by mary rey sue show up and replace beloved fan favorite characters(who get killed/demeaned)quickly mixed with transparently careless,fanfic quality storytelling, crapping all over established lore that made the franchise so special on the first place

[@BlackCroft666]

@@TheRisky9 reminds me of silent hill 1 movie in which they replaced the male protagonist with a woman because they thought people relate more to a mother than a father.

[@sugarplumvodka8408]

yet the stats of the most hardened criminals were raised by single women.. odd huh.

[@TheRisky9]

@@BlackCroft666 Silent Hill is different because changes weren't brought on because Christopher Gans felt Silent Hill was "problematic." His reasoning was actually logical. He felt he could work better with a female lead and use the symbol of "mother" a lot better And if you watch any of Christopher Gans other films, he does have good female leads who are strong and yet unapologetically feminin. Basically working within his own talent and experience. The same goes with Kurosawa when he adapted MacBeth and changed it all to Japan. He didn't do it because he hated Shakespeare and thought he could improve on the material by giving Japanese a voice. It was an act of love for both Shakespeare and Japanese culture. But look at the reasoning behind the gender swap in Ghost Busters. Or James Bond. Why are they female? The reason boils down to trying to cater to an imaginary audience and a hatred for the source material being so "male." It's more about fitting their vision of the "future is female" then it is about breathing new life into a franchise. It's not about reimagining like Kurosawa or reinterpreting like Christopher Gans. This doesn't come from a place of love, but a place of contempt.

[@the10thfloor37]

It’s the women of the new canon. Star Wars has always had some of the best female characters in the mainstream media by having every female character be strong. Disney somehow, though, thinks that instead of having every female character be strong, that every strong character should be female. There is a HUGE difference between those two!

[@_Lodii]

I hate rise of Skywalker cuz of Rey as she got her power from nothing and out of a sudden defeated the sith lord who defeated the entire jedi council. Like, c'mon. And then the small army of small ships defeated the entire army of fucking star destroyers that had the power of deathstar. Fuck this shit

[@justsomeguywithoutalife230]

Feminists: women are saving Star Wars Also feminists: imma shut down Star Wars because there’s no strong women

[@presidentraiden9203]

K A Z U M A

[@justsomeguywithoutalife230]

Drake Campbell Hai Kazuma desu

[@presidentraiden9203]

@@justsomeguywithoutalife230 Wanna see my AiDungeon story of Konosuba?

[@justsomeguywithoutalife230]

Drake Campbell Sure why not

[@lindseyparker8456]

They got a strong independent woman in The Mandalorian (Gina Carano) but they couldn't handle her and are trying to cancel her. Hypocrites.

[@vincentmontano3402]

Rey makes Jar Jar Binks have a character arc

[@lassehoffmann625]

Don’t forget Darth JarJar

[@lilchoochlive5651]

Don’t you just love how the new movies are literally a girl beating up a white man till he realizes he’s wrong and joins her 😂 edit can three of y’all unlike this

[@phenjaws569]

That's a hilarious way to phrase it

[@lilchoochlive5651]

PhenJaws thank you I thought so

[@gamingpolice589]

Ironic

[@primeoctober]

@@gamingpolice589 Hella ironic

[@Macndcheese]

heh ironic

[@nillynush4899]

A woman... Literally Ruined Star Wars along with a beta male named Rian.

[@aiden4917]

@Kvothe Windrunner I'd love to see that defence when someone gets metoo'ed.

[@archangel107]

I mean, Rian did direct one of the good episodes in Breaking Bad, so he *can* be good

[@Gerolanfalan]

JJ Abrams shouldn't have touched it either.

[@totallyanonymousbish9599]

That kind of "alpha beta" thinking doesn't help either lmao.

[@smugoreo6634]

The new 3 "new" movies with rey are just fanfiction.

[@mislavgrosinic5584]

Shitty fanfiction

[@ericshawn3169]

*noncanon shitty fanfiction

[@stoked-6996]

I would've loved if rey had turned out to be obi-wan's granddaughter and they could show how rey ended up on jakku through the upcoming Obi-Wan series but *NOPE! WRONG! KATHLEEN'S IN CHARGE!*

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

They ended the EU in favor of these movies...

[@tedscheett9420]

... You aren't wrong.

[@poggerd7319]

Feminist: Women are saving Star Wars Me: Gonk droids don't have a gender

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Rey could’ve saved Star Wars, if Kylo was the one who became Skywalker and not her RIP

[@HavocTheWendigo]

Or trained and struggled a lil it’s honestly not that hard

[@HavocTheWendigo]

Or trained and struggled a lil it’s honestly not that hard

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

@@HavocTheWendigo She struggled when she died, but that was undone in literal fucking moments.

[@MrSuperbeast92]

@@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 Rey: Oh yeah. I'm a feminist protag. *respawns so fast that it makes Jesus blush*

[@mr.s2005]

Would have been better if Rey had stayed dead and it was kylo, going back to Ben, who is shown repairing the damage he caused, would have actually explained the title....but nope she had to get brought back because of the power of plot.