No One Likes Jon Kent

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TheRealComicBookGamer

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@JTISREBORN
@JTISREBORN 2 жыл бұрын
Jon Kent being aged up really has been a big focal point for what has hurt dc the past couple years and it hasn’t fully recovered ever since. Think about it. We lost all the great story potential with Clark still raising Jon as a family man and getting to watch him grow up. As soon as Jon is aged up we lost all those great stories and Clark gets kind of tossed aside a bit. It’s a shame.
@thibaldus3
@thibaldus3 2 жыл бұрын
And they can't de-age him. First thing they did after aging him up was to make him gay and "date". It would be too weird, hence, to make him be a kid again.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
@@thibaldus3 yes they can deage jon Kent superboy
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 жыл бұрын
DC was so obsessed with letting Brian Michael Bendis do anything he wanted without restriction that they let him ruin the best thing to ever happen to Superman. Him raising a son was, to a lot of people, the most relatable he’d ever been and the writing of the family dynamic Tomasi did was truly amazing. He understood Clark Kent so well and wrote Jon like a very likable kid.
@Aloysius10
@Aloysius10 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nightman221k Jon Kent being bisexual was too subtle. Bendis kind of gave it away when Jon referred to Connor Kent’s leather as fabulous.
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 жыл бұрын
@@Aloysius10 I don't like how these straight middle-aged writers write gay/bi men. What do they think gay people talk like Snagglepuss constantly saying "fabulous"? Controversial opinion, I never thought Bendis was particularly great at writing teens like people praise him for with Ultimate Spider-Man.
@jaylucien669
@jaylucien669 2 жыл бұрын
In all my decades of reading comic, I've never seen a character go from universally beloved to universally despised faster than Jon S. Kent. DiDio, Bendis and Taylor are the 3 stooges responsible.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
I will always maintained aging up my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy is still a massive mistake and it drives me crazy that nobody at dc comics refuse to deage my boy back to his little 10 year old self and we get to see his childhood naturally and the fact that Taylor refuses to undo the damage drives me insane.
@jaylucien669
@jaylucien669 2 жыл бұрын
If they de age him then they can't explore his sexuality and that's the only thing they care about doing with his character. This was Bendis' sole motivation for aging him up in the first place. DiDio hiring Bendis was such an utter disaster on many levels. But what happened to Jon was the biggest disaster of them all IMO.
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, in my opinion they could just say that the 18 year old Jon is a “dimensional copy” like the Lightyear movie did with Zurg (it’s so dumb and bogus but at least it wouldn’t feel out of place as an explanation for a terrible comic book mess like Bendis created) then show young Jon returned to earth not having aged past 12. Young Jon can still turn out to be bi (when he’s old enough to date) but that way we can still do the good stories that SuperSons and the Kent Family stories had without Lois and Clark having lost years of their lives as a family over a stupid story idea.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nightman221k actually that’s not bad idea and honestly I would be all for that.
@DgardsGaming
@DgardsGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nightman221k As long as they ain't doing the Bi thing for brownie points with the woke mob, it doesn't take over his character which ever single character the do this to its same old trick and characters have 0 presonality, just look what they did to Tim Drake.
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 жыл бұрын
​@@DgardsGaming Tim realizing he had feelings for Bernard wasn't the worst. Tim comes off as asexual due to his lack of interest in sex/love in the comics, (Cassandra Cain's similar) I always thought was a breath of fresh air compared to Bat-Family sex lives being so overemphasized. The biggest "romance" Tim had was Stephanie Brown and when you read everything with them... it's just odd. I shipped it a lot in the early Robin solo stories (and before I read the comics I loved the idea of Tim dating a villain's daughter who wants to be a good guy and becomes Robin's sidekick. That's a great idea!) but Steph's teenage pregnancy plot where she was pregnant by a one-night-stand made me re-evaluate everything. They acted like gal-pals with her teasing him about being a virgin (while she's obviously not, given she's clearly with child from hooking up with strange dudes) and he was giddily doing pregnancy yoga classes with her! The fact that his reaction was so platonic is bizarre, especially for a teenage boy. I guess the writer was going for a non-judgmental approach to make the storyline of a young unwed mother look nicer cause her friend-boy is supportive... it's still weird as hell though. Personally, I'd prefer asexual Tim. But Tim's in his 20s and people sometimes realize they're bi at that age so it's not a stretch. Tim's notoriously introspective and analytical so him evaluating his feelings for Bernard thoroughly and realizing he liked him as more than a friend felt in-character at least. I like Tim too so it's nice to see him decide to take a chance at being in a relationship with someone who makes him happy. Him deciding to give dating his best friend a try didn't feel like this over-the-top "and now we're married forever and EVER!!!" like Tom Taylor makes Jay and Jon. Tim's bi-realization feels something that had thought put into it at least. Jon meeting Jay and both being instantly smitten and the two not even having history or courtship before being obsessed with each other just seems like Taylor wanted to say, "See BI Superman? I did that! See how he and his GAY boyfriend are in love and not STRAIGHT? Aren't I doing something glorious? Praise me!" With Tim he at least took some time to reflect on the new feelings and Bernard was a friend of Tim's since way back in the 90s Robin solo series so he had years of friendship already there to make it seem plausible that Tim would care enough about this guy to want to date him.
@mr.dccomics9018
@mr.dccomics9018 2 жыл бұрын
They do it out of spite, because they know it will piss off the traditional readers.
@loganthomas2421
@loganthomas2421 2 жыл бұрын
If Dc really wants to smarten up and fix his character and stories, they should bring back Tomasi as he’s the only one who really understands and develops to why we love Jon and he even proved it in the recent super sons annual. It’s sad to see how much Jon’s character has fallen since rebirth.
@retroghidora6767
@retroghidora6767 2 жыл бұрын
The age up was a terrible idea before any political statement was even added to the mix. It messed up one of the best things DC had going for it in the comics, the Damian/Jon dynamic duo. Obviously it also changed the super family dynamic which was pretty decent too.
@CapoWhoLaughs
@CapoWhoLaughs 2 жыл бұрын
As a die hard jon kent fan This was easily one of the biggest and most frustrating things to go through ever as a comic book fan. This burial is along the lines of starfire during new 52A new 52 and Carol Danvers after her r*pe by her son. The fact that the woke audience and DC easy are OK with this treatment shows how low we've come as a fandom because From bendis To Taylor , it has been a Royal s*** show . I believe that if tomasi knew what was going to happen he probably would have never stopped writing the character
@adamlakeman7240
@adamlakeman7240 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately even if he was an interesting character there are already like six "Superman but a teenager" running around. Hell, he's not even the first "Superman who was a kid but got aged up into a teenager" because comic book writers are utterly incapable of writing kid characters for some reason.
@thibaldus3
@thibaldus3 2 жыл бұрын
It's because most are childless weirdoes.
@freakzeke6404
@freakzeke6404 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind one bit if they erase him in the upcoming reboot of the DC universe
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, I wouldn't either.
@maxblackrabbit8990
@maxblackrabbit8990 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Jon was my breaking point with DC. I loved Supersons, I loved the fact that Clark had this new role of father and all the potential of seeing Clark and Jon learn and grow as a family and the potential friends Jon would make growing up in a metahuman community. (Also in a sea of girl focused comics, this was a good jumping on point in comics for young boys.) So when they aged him up, I was not happy. it destroyed the dynamic of the Supersons, robbed us of all the stories we could have had between him and his father/family/friends. I kinda liked the idea of this being a possible modern day take on the classic "Superboy and the Legion of Superheros." but that didn't last. So then they made him Bi, like you say, that is not a big deal. I just hate that they made it a big deal. I'm not picking up books based on who is sleeping with who, I just want my action/adventure. (Also you'll notice that even though these characters come out as Bi, they never seem to end up (or at least start up) in an opposite sex relationship. Even then, that wasn't my breaking point. that happened when they made him, of all things, an activist. An Activist? In this world of aliens, superpowers and super science? I get it, we can't have all the problems solved or there will be nothing to fight but it feels like everyone forgets we are not in the real world and when one of the most powerful people in the world is marching the streets with a bunch of multi colored haired people, instead of actually doing something, I was out. Went to my LCS and just dropped all my DC titles, not spending my money to be lectured to. Good luck western comics, yer gonna need it.
@David-dw5gs
@David-dw5gs 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly stopped reading anything Jon kent realted when they ended OG Super Sons. Aging up Jon Kent should've happened in parallel with Damian.
@BonzerMrT
@BonzerMrT 2 жыл бұрын
Jon should have been focused on by being built up as the Golden Child of DC. Action comics should have became Superman and Son family adventures or something and having Clark and Jon exploring all the insides and outs of the DC building up the mythos for the “next Gen” and after a few years of Jon getting to meet and even train with everyone in some shape or form along that way, taking little lessons he learns and becoming a opinionated teen into a young adult. The development should have been years, Clark deserved to see Jon grow up, us as fans of Superman deserved to see SUPERMAN’s son grow up.
@vinchieboy
@vinchieboy 2 жыл бұрын
Word. Which was what Peter J. Tomasi did with his run and yet DC threw all of that away.
@MrSonicnevets
@MrSonicnevets 2 жыл бұрын
Funny enough, because how few single issues sell, those responses and QT are probably a good representative sample of the comic buying public lol.
@Ravade
@Ravade 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t been keeping up with Jon Kent stuff but I’m assuming it would’ve been better if they didn’t age him up, would that have been better for the character?
@missmeme3946
@missmeme3946 2 жыл бұрын
yes it better if they keep him child and develop him in good way like damian because after he grew up dc don't know what to do with him because clark still there, and they don't know what to do with Conner Kent too because adult Jon there
@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond
@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond 2 жыл бұрын
@@missmeme3946 he should have aged up in almost real time, and preferably at the same time as Damien Wayne. (Though Damien is older)
@dianahi2663
@dianahi2663 2 жыл бұрын
@@missmeme3946 DC hates legacy characters in general, they are practically ruining Damian's character with the recently Batman vs Robin and they ruined Jon's character aging him up for no reason. We could just have a ton of more family and friendships dynamic between Jon and his family and with Damian too, but DC decided to cancelled an already popular and succesfull comic because their terrible decisions.
@anthonyscheibmeir2444
@anthonyscheibmeir2444 2 жыл бұрын
He really does look like a Tik Tok FBoy though.
@ciaranproudfoot
@ciaranproudfoot 2 жыл бұрын
I love Jon... or what he once was. an amazing character during the days of super sons, Superman by Tmosai and action by Jurgens, Sadly then Bendis screwed it all up with aging Jon up... then Tom... tome made it so much worse,
@starfishsicko
@starfishsicko 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a bisexual man. I wear a shirt with Jon Kent and Damian framed in a heart every national coming out day. And even I hate Tom Taylor's Jon Kent. At keast in his superman run. It borders on insulting
@MKF30
@MKF30 2 жыл бұрын
I think Taylor is good with alternate universes of the multiverse or elseworlds same difference at this point but when it comes to thr main universe he kind of sucks lol. My opinion on that. I like your idea with earth 3 having the real Jon from the earth prime main universe and that one is the current one. Maybe they'll kill him off and get a Jon from another universe replace him who's better? Like similar to what they did with Val-Zod replacing the dead Clark of earth 2? I don't know guess we'll see.
@redkalel
@redkalel 2 жыл бұрын
I dropped the book after 12 issues,….sadly I have to pick it up again for a few months because it’s crossing over with action
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
I dropped it after issue #2 but I'm also going to be picking it up again for the Kal-El Returns crossover, especially after reading Action Comics #1047 it was so good. Maybe PKJ can get a good story out of Tom Taylor.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
I always love Jonathan Samuel Kent supeboy as his little 10 year old self not this imposter who's not Jon Kent superboy at all under bendis and Tom taylor who ruined everything.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason they give Tom Taylor big altnerate universe stories, because that's what he's good at.
@evaundertale2247
@evaundertale2247 2 жыл бұрын
I recently got into the comics recently and I gotta agree them aging up Jon was a huge mistake I mean I was happy ot hear that there was a Bisexual (I found this out a bit late after knowing him from Supersons and Dceased) character but they went about in a wrong way seeing something I also did personally read him as bicoded (more in dceased but that could have been me projecting some personally feelings cause I read him that way) But it's sad to see him growing up and being used for more actually world stuff when I always saw comics as a place that takes you away from reality. With Tim (I was more neutral with on his sexuality but was mad that despite him having good chemistry with Steph they throw him with someone else despite Tim and her being favored by fans)
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 жыл бұрын
The smartest decision DC could make is say that the young adult Jon is a branch timeline duplicate created during the space travel. His memories being the same as young Jon could be explained by him being a copy. Then show that the young Jon reunite with Clark and Lois. The older Jon can exist and date Jay (maybe they join a team or have interplanetary adventures). They can even still have young Jon realize he’s bi eventually cause that wasn’t inherently the problem with his older self. Being bisexual is no different than any other aspect of his personality. What was bizarre was that he leaves 11 and shows up 18. That’s A LOT of years to miss, he may as well be a whole different person cause we missed the entirety of his formative years. Then add to that that we don’t explore who he is before the focus becomes his love life. The love life is never going to resonate like it would’ve if we saw him age to 18 and invest in who he is before he dates someone. That’s not even getting into how poorly Tom Taylor wrote Jon and Jay as a couple or how he writes like a man who has never met an actual LGBT person and just wants to use them for accolades. Their chemistry doesn’t register at all. I hate dimension/timeline/multiverse crap but if the comics are going to do it as frequently as they do, at least use it to correct THIS mistake. We miss kid Jon. We miss Jon being buddies with Damian. We miss him being a good kid who looks up to his mom and dad! It’s a shame to squander the fact that Superman as a dad to a little son is the most exciting and heartfelt Superman has ever been cause he’s a great father. If I were allowed to change one thing at DC it would be to retcon Jon back to his rightful age cause the stories were something special when he was young.
@scinnyc
@scinnyc 2 жыл бұрын
Jon Kent only worked for me as an elementary school aged kid. Other than that he was just a generic Conner Kent. And the entire homosexual agenda of DC retconning non-gay characters is trash and 99% of the fans hate it. DC needs to reboot all this garbage out of their continuity asap
@anthonyscheibmeir2444
@anthonyscheibmeir2444 2 жыл бұрын
Dceased is good, injustice is good haven't read Tom Taylor's Superman but I never will because it looks like there is no intriguing storyline.
@danielendless
@danielendless Жыл бұрын
Superman raising his kid, struggling with parent choices, teaching him to control his powers as they develop, Super Sons, watching his son grow up DC: nah let's just throw all those relatable and heartwarming moments away for another bland Superman copy paste
@malcolmgray255
@malcolmgray255 2 жыл бұрын
Next thing we know John Kent will become the actual main verse evil Superman XD, he will get the justice lords suit and all lol. Tbh at this point at least he would be going in an interesting direction
@jimeagle6636
@jimeagle6636 2 жыл бұрын
I've been pushing the Earth 3 theory for quite a while now
@CatotheE
@CatotheE 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know that I've ever read a Jon Kent comic, but from what I understand he was beloved before they aged him up for God knows what reason.
@supercool2999
@supercool2999 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100% I hate that version with a passion!
@Azure029
@Azure029 Жыл бұрын
look at how they massacred my boy
@notbubblystarters05
@notbubblystarters05 2 жыл бұрын
I have nothing against the LGBT+ community (as I'm a part of it myself), but sorry Jay. Jon's current "bf". If HE'S suppose to be the representation for the "anything but straight" society, I'm sorry, hun. You're just not doing it. You're just *not.* Would've really enjoyed Jon slowly figuring himself out and struggling as he grows up because I'm pretty sure a lot of kids (who are in the closet and YES we exist) could relate to that instead of a hey I've JUST been introduced to this trippy thing called bisexuality and suddenly I'm into rainbows yay! Also, I magically have a boyfriend SNAP just like that even though I'm emotionally a man-child inside and am uncertain about a lot of things including my orientation until literally just now! One kiss is all it takes to know~ NO IT DOESN'T??? Honestly, the only people I saw who got REALLY happy about that "representation from a major Superhero comic book character" was either a casual reader or know nothing about Jon Kent's history because though I'm all about raising voices and being loud and proud, they had no idea that a LOT was sacrificed from his potential JUST to get that ONE moment of "Sooo did you hear that Superman's gay now???" (I know this because my family knows I'm a huge DC fan and when they got the global update a bit later than I did, they all brought it up to me that very same way one by one, thinking it was an amazing news. Good for some but, seriously, it nearly drove me crazy hearing it again and again at different times when I was trying to avoid it, but I can't blame them because they didn't know better. What we lost for this. Tho if DC wanted an impact, they certainly got the attention. Not a good one tho.) And it's *frustrating* I tell ya! There's many ways they could've gone about it better but just to make money, all that plot got wasted deep down the drain of no return. They went too fast with this one. He could've been great! He could've been inspiring! Now he's just... one shot fame and then old news. *It's sad.* It really is. Tho I get the importance of getting The Message out there, but this is an ACTION comic book hero??? Where's the action??? If they just wanted a slice of life romcom coming (out) of age story, they *shouldn't* have advertised it as a SUPERhero adventure. I'm not gonna lie. I too have personal ships that are less than canon in DC, but I still kept reading satisfied that even tho they'll never happen, I get to see their lives develop and their writing doesn't get sacrificed for the sake of some fan-fueling cash-grab romance. Their stories will be an escape. Not like this. Not a shove it in your face slap back to reality! A good story inspires people to write or draw AUs of their own! Make head-canons! To dream! This? This only gives me *nightmares!* And the only escape I want now is far, far away from this Jon Kent Superman Issue! (So, uh, best of luck to those who want to try reading it. I hope you enjoy it better than I did... not that is. XD Lololol. Also daaaamn you read all that? 👀✨ Noice. 👌👌)
@gabrielferreira-gg7fh
@gabrielferreira-gg7fh 2 жыл бұрын
I remember in pride month dc did a comic with jon with jay nakamira flying wearing the bi flag i honestly feel empty. however a few days later i also saw a fanart with jon child flying with the bi flag and that gave me a smile on my face, because this is the jon kent that i like this was the jon kent that i see develop and grow and Seeing him not being afraid to be who he is and being proud was really good, so if they ever revert jon kent back to his age I hope they treat his sexuality the right way.
@notbubblystarters05
@notbubblystarters05 2 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielferreira-gg7fh *Exactly!* 👏👏👏😤 It's NOT his bisexuality that's the problem. It's the poor execution!
@jepp6260
@jepp6260 2 жыл бұрын
The real jon could still be in the black hole. This supergay just could be the son of ultraman. I hope that DC will take this idea.
@_Snafu_
@_Snafu_ 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t like this Jon Kent either. I’d love for them to de-age him and also I’d like for Lois and Clark to have another baby and kind of take a page out of the CW tv show with the pair having two boys to care for.
@SaadNabil
@SaadNabil 2 жыл бұрын
Damien Wayne is the winner!
@mileswoolaway2138
@mileswoolaway2138 Жыл бұрын
I read volume one and enjoyed it thoroughly, he's not a conventional DC hero, he spends more time saving people than fighting ( similar to a traditional superman). His design is excellent, although he looks very tik tok in some covers in the comic itself he rarely looks anything other than like his parents. The comic is extremely wholesome and gives insight into how Kal El's philosophy would impact a child. It's also good representation for the LGBT community which may be taken as cringe but to myself and others is a wholesome addition. Then comic is no masterpiece but it's fun, interesting, looks perfect and is consistently heartwarming.
@Luke7169
@Luke7169 2 жыл бұрын
....anymore
@VergilGaia
@VergilGaia Жыл бұрын
You all in the coments only know to talk about the age-up thing, and yes, that might be a mistake, but what about everything after? Son of Kal-El is a great series when you pay attention to it and really reads the story.
@debuthedude
@debuthedude 2 жыл бұрын
i heared they are soliciting Tom Taylor to write new JL series
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Oh no....
@44excalibur
@44excalibur 7 ай бұрын
No one likes Damian Wayne either. I don't know why DC introduced either of those characters.
@kvyerket
@kvyerket 2 жыл бұрын
Reboot rebirth reset or erase
@danielendless
@danielendless Жыл бұрын
What's even the point of the character now? Another Superman clone? Aging him up was a horrible idea
@charlesharrison1907
@charlesharrison1907 2 жыл бұрын
Jon Kent being Superman and age up won’t happen no time soon and it’s the same thing with Tim Drake. No one like these changes and the sells show. If you don’t like the changes than the creators will label you something you are not. Jon will be reboot when there is change at DC at the top. I blame the editors for this nonsense.
@ItsYaBoiPhoenix
@ItsYaBoiPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
I need Clark Kent Superman back, I don’t really care for Jon outside of the Supersons book
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Read Action Comics. That book is great and it's about Clark.
@ItsYaBoiPhoenix
@ItsYaBoiPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealComicBookGamer I definitely will when I get the chance
@batdetectivetheknight4563
@batdetectivetheknight4563 2 жыл бұрын
i say yeah deage him cuz there is so much to explore and not to mention we are geting a super sons movie . we could also do with older jon being from a other earth just not being him evil so there wont be any hate problems and do a story where supertiktokman and superman has to find our original superboy jon kent who is still 11 years old so once they bring him back home we can have the super sons comics back and jon and clark and lois being a family agian cuz that story arc got me back to superman again and still am at this point cuz i will have superman content on my videos alongside Batman of course .or after the new reboot just erase all of bendis and tom taylor stories and have it like none of that never happend and have jon kent superboy get deage back to superboy from the reboot and have super sons back and have jon kent superboy in the superman comics and etc .
@joylandimmanuel9975
@joylandimmanuel9975 Жыл бұрын
Heard about JONs Power that Evolve and Stronger than KAL I think JON KENT from KINGDOM COME far more Powerful cause his Mother is Wonder Woman
@ronanthesuperginger
@ronanthesuperginger 2 жыл бұрын
Cw jon: everybody likes him and understand his struggles Comic Jon: not hated just disliked a bit cause he’s bland
@devinkavanaugh1034
@devinkavanaugh1034 2 жыл бұрын
Well I like the currant version of Jon. And I've been reading him since he was created. I'm only one person but I like the current comic run.
@VooDooPacK1992
@VooDooPacK1992 Жыл бұрын
You’re not alone, I actually like him currently as well and I’ve been a fan since his inception
@AvengCalifornication
@AvengCalifornication 2 жыл бұрын
#DeAgeJonKent
@tzeleungchan6653
@tzeleungchan6653 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I blamed if IIRC Bendis for aging Jon Kent up, seriously, he decided to grow up a character who was just introduced to us for 3 years up to an adult for what purpose. I rather prefer Kid Jon and Damian dynamics and the 2 growing up together. Honestly, they shouldn't have let Bendis aged Jon up so quickly, he would have a better charcter with better development, I remember seeing the time when he was still a kid in Superman Rebirth and his adventure with Damian, and his character arc pre age up is much more better. DC should have gone with the Damian route, instead of instantly growing up and making him an LGBTQ+ icon so quickly. Now he's just Chris kent( new earth) 2.0
@Robin_Is
@Robin_Is 2 жыл бұрын
Ok.
@okdabiw
@okdabiw Жыл бұрын
i only like the kid version😊
@King_of_aces089
@King_of_aces089 Жыл бұрын
Since when was Tim randomly bi?
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer Жыл бұрын
Since DC decided to make him bi around 2 years ago.
@Mr.Drew70
@Mr.Drew70 2 жыл бұрын
Of course not. Who the hell even would like this character after what they did to him?! Proud to be homophobic
@G-LukeJA
@G-LukeJA 2 жыл бұрын
Are you hacking my Twitter? Bro I JUST tweeted this LMAAAAOOOO
@manoftomorrow79
@manoftomorrow79 2 жыл бұрын
The overall problem here that is getting on many people's nerves is the obvious pandering turning straight characters gay just for virtue signal points pisses people off. If they want a gay superhero then invent a new character that is gay but they don't want to do that because they don't want to face the risk of rejection. So they change an existing character that people love to be inclusive to a group of people then the fans voice their complaints and only for the company to attack their consumers thinking that they can silence the opposition which never works. You can't bully readers into siding with your views and another point is that it seems like every time we turn around some long-existing character that was never gay, to begin with, has been turned gay. Not every character needs to be part of the alphabet community we read comics as an escape we don't need political views shoved in our faces.
@michaelharmon8960
@michaelharmon8960 2 жыл бұрын
His boyfriend is a gender bent kitty pride
@rodrigoybanez8148
@rodrigoybanez8148 2 жыл бұрын
Tom Taylor also hates the audience which makes things even worse. I also think Deceased is being written by someone else.
@MysticalGreenBeanie
@MysticalGreenBeanie 2 жыл бұрын
The sad part is that Stormwatch came out 20 years ago and basically did "gay Superman" 100x better and was ACTUALLY groundbreaking.
@alejandrogonzalez00
@alejandrogonzalez00 2 жыл бұрын
I remember how much I loved Jonathan Kent, he was my favorite thing tht came out of the Rebirth era. Now I just don’t care anymore, I don’t like what they did to him now. I look back at it from then to now I’m always like: “what have they done to you Jon?”
@Xhaiyo
@Xhaiyo 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly never knew a lot about Jon, but I adored his relationship with Damian Wayne, and after seeing him get aged up I feel like there was so much lost potential between Damian and Jon as teammates and best friends. I agree that they should de-age him or at least at best try to fix his character. It makes me sad that such a loved character was lost because of the way they changed him, and I agree, I hate Jay 🙄✋🏻 literally every time I see that crusty pink haired Barbie I think of the Riddler from The Batman.
@SuperCam-me3mj
@SuperCam-me3mj 2 жыл бұрын
We need the real Jon Kent, the ten year old. Retcon everything bendis and Taylor has done the aging up, bi sexuality, and the pandering of one sided politics.
@_Snafu_
@_Snafu_ 2 жыл бұрын
I’d also like to see mark millar on Superman ever since he said he would be interested in doing a regular Superman story I’ve been hoping DC give him a chance
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 жыл бұрын
He did an amazing run of Superman TAS tie in comics. Honestly, I might say the comic tie-in is even better than the show at times. It gets to show the supporting cast’s relationship with Clark more.
@CaptainLunar1994
@CaptainLunar1994 2 жыл бұрын
My problem is literally? The fact he has ZERO personality now. As 10 year old Jon Kent? He was a cute kid, he had interests, he was into anime, Star Wars, like he felt like a kid who liked stuff we could RELATE to AND he also was clearly growing and learning... Cue him getting aged up. Now the aging up in itself wouldn't be AS bad I feel... if they had it where Lois and Clark still got to RAISE him... as it stands they didn't. ALL of the formative years we could have gotten for him? Gone. Now sure I don't want a case where it's like Franklin Richards in Marvel where he's STILL a teen somehow despite being born in the late 70's and even with the sliding time scale SHOULD be at LEAST in his early 20's.... But honestly with Conner Kent being the young adult Superboy... they could have kept Jon as the pre-teen to tween Superboy. As it stands we've got two "Superboy's" and yes Jon is STILL a Superboy he's a teenager.... and only ONE gets to be Superman.... I'm sorry but Conner got done dirty
@starbrand3726
@starbrand3726 2 жыл бұрын
DCeased was amazing! So they do know how to write the character well. Your idea of how to fix him was brilliant. Just make both Jonathans bisexual, so you avoid the whole Gay characters are evil thing. But him being the alternate Jon would perfectly explain everything.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 2 жыл бұрын
With him being bi, it's clear the original creators of Jon Kent never intended for him to be bi. So it feels like they're ruining the visions and work of the original creator. IMO it's just as bad as aging him up and all the other problems with him.
@Bruinsbigestbear
@Bruinsbigestbear 2 жыл бұрын
Aging him up was one of the worst decisions DC has made in the recent history of the company. It was great watching Jon learning to be a hero, and we were robbed of that. Hell, him grow up and realizing he was bi could have been fantastic. Gay and bi can realize they are queer at different points in the lives. My uncle was a homosexual and he knew that he was "different" when he was just a kid, but some people don't discover they are gay or bi later in life. So watching Jon come to that realization as he grew up could have been really interesting. You don't even have to give him a boyfriend, the realization alone would have been enough. In the end, DC gave Bendis way too much power and later wanted to make the character more "interesting" by making him bi without actually putting any effort to make the realization interesting. Edit: DC doesn't care about tweets, they care about sales. If the change anything it will because the book isn't selling well, not because of the echo chamber that is Twitter.
@NerdettesNewsStand
@NerdettesNewsStand 2 жыл бұрын
I do... 😔 lol I understand though
@riopeynado3959
@riopeynado3959 2 жыл бұрын
I really like Jon Kent
@supersonslegacy9581
@supersonslegacy9581 2 жыл бұрын
Joshua Williamson is also a good choice for Jon
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah him and PKJ are the only two writers who have written a likable Jon since his age up.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
Also Jon Kent being aged up was horrible because it took away a lot of great storytelling opportunities of seeing Clark kent and lois lane raise their son Jon kent superboy how to become a great hero and to control his powers responsibly is such a great story that the fact bendis aged up my my boy for his horrible awful Legion of book drives me crazy, and to make it even worst in the current action comics book we see both Clark kent and Lois lane missing there son everyday as his little 10 year old self and the fact Philip Kennedy Johnson gets that across and realizes Jon kent aged up is a massive mistake, is very interesting but also proves to me more and more that even the characters themselves want Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy back to his little 10 year old self and to see him experience childhood naturally. Which again proves my point that DC really needs undo this damage and bring back my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy back to his little 10 year old self and get rid of this awful imposter teenage Jon kent and erase him out of existence. That way we can kill two birds with one stone and have my boy Jon kent go through his childhood first and foremost and see him develop naturally, also a bonus get rid of Jay nakamura nobody likes that character myself included because the guy is a villian and a manipulated asshole from the very beginning at least in my opinion. Now with all that said is though is there way to undo this horrible mistake yes there's simple really this teenage Jon kent is from earth 3 and the real Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy is in stasis tube still his young 10 year old self and when the superfamily find him they release him and real Jon kent kicks this imposter ass and sends this imposter back to earth 3 and boom problem solved everybody wins, but that's just my opinion on this whole entire subject on why people hate aged Up Jonathan Samuel Kent.
@DgardsGaming
@DgardsGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Just retcon it all, anything aged up retcon it all as it never existed.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
@@DgardsGaming nothing would make me happier but to see that happen.
@DgardsGaming
@DgardsGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@TevyaSmolka That’s my most extreme view and idea, that’s my cynical side opinion. I have other ideas like having Jay Nakamura basically be the real villain this whole time he was manipulating Jon, The idea that the one person had in another comment section where do you incorporate the lightyear plot twist and bring back 10 year Jon and have this one as a Jon duplicate. I personally enjoy the one where Jay is a villain and he’s manipulating this Jon 😏
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
@@DgardsGaming I agree and honestly I've been saying for a very long time that Jay Nakamura should've been the main villian of jon's story from the very start given the guy is such a creepy and manipulative jerk from the very beginning.
@elidasilva5558
@elidasilva5558 Жыл бұрын
Bring back Kid Jon Kent
@drewellis95
@drewellis95 2 жыл бұрын
Jon Kent’s boyfriend is the most bland character I have ever read in my **** life I’m so thankful I don’t read single issues but when I read volume one of that son of kal el and what’s his name popped up I just thought ohhhhhh ☹️ I’m bi and he suckssss 😂😂
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Tom Taylor just mashed every gay stereotype together into one character but forgot to actually make him interesting.
@0wolabi97
@0wolabi97 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think Jon Kent will be aged down?
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
I wish but I don't think DC will do that.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealComicBookGamer why won't dc deage Jon kent back to normal.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve stopped reading comics years ago and seems like I’ll still wait until the entire thing collapses and reboots before I give it another shot. At this point, I’m only interested in superhero stuff if Zack Snyder gets to complete his Snyderverse movies. Justice League Part 2 and Part 3, alongside a solo Batfleck movie against Deathstroke and David Ayer’s original cut of Suicide Squad. That’s it.
@critical_thinker0668
@critical_thinker0668 Жыл бұрын
Jon Kent has gone from being one of my favorite additions to the Superman mythos to one of my least favorite parts of the Superman mythos. Just goes to show how much Bendis and Taylor ruined him. I really want to like him, but all his best stories are from before the age-up.
@cameronhoodman
@cameronhoodman 2 жыл бұрын
Just bring Connor Kent back to the spotlight
@dwaynemuth8775
@dwaynemuth8775 2 жыл бұрын
Bendis stole Jon’s youth away with a dopey premise cruising off with half ass gramps Jorel,Clark reveals his identity to the world for pure gimmicks with absolutely no plan! DC is circling the drain and the yawn of DC U in January doesn’t really look promising! Very unfortunate!
@thibaldus3
@thibaldus3 2 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is, they can't de-age him. He's been an active gay man with a boyfriend (and all the f*cked up stuff that comes with it). You don't come back from that.
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. That's exactly why they won't de-age him.
@verilyheld
@verilyheld 2 жыл бұрын
Eh, no problem. Retcon the whole sad sorry stupidity out of existence.
@BozeDoesGodsWork
@BozeDoesGodsWork 3 ай бұрын
Fucked up stuff? 🤷🏽‍♀️
@Gundam4
@Gundam4 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone likes John Ken when he was a kid. Now because they pretty much wrecked him nobody likes him
@thatboyUPS
@thatboyUPS 2 жыл бұрын
Also Jon Kent being aged up has always been.. icky to me. He was just a little kid! It feels weird that they aged him up.
@jadeurn
@jadeurn Жыл бұрын
Back when Jon was still a kid and Damian Wayne's best friend, I loved the character immediately. His outgoing personality; sometimes childish but sometimes mature than Damian. His hobbies, his relationship with Clark and Lois, the happy family environment for a little boy... everything about the character made me smile but after that age up he's pointless. There's so much wrong with the character, he almost looks lifeless. No personality, struggling to handle everything as Superman (obviously because he was suddenly handed over the title while he was still a little boy learning to be a good superboy). Some people don't want him deaged and those are obviously the shippers. Anyways, I'm really glad that they cancelled this series and hopefully they'll de age him back to normal.
@Slitheringpeanut
@Slitheringpeanut 2 жыл бұрын
It all leads back to Dan DiDio.
@TheRiverintheRoad
@TheRiverintheRoad 2 жыл бұрын
I used to, but they ruined him
@GreenArrowHunter
@GreenArrowHunter 2 жыл бұрын
The way i would fix of Jon Kent is to reveal that he never went to earth 3 and got age up. Instead Superboy-Prime captured him and put in suspended animation. And Prime did it to impersonate Jon and Prime reveals all of this by napping jay nakamura neck and then he tear off his shirt to show the iconic s scar. Eventually Jon escapes and has to defeat Prime and save the world, but even with superpowers he still is a ten years old kid facing off against a superpower psychopath, so Jon has to use everything that his father taught him to overcome incredible odds proving his own worth and returning triumphantly to the DC Universe.
@BonzerMrT
@BonzerMrT 2 жыл бұрын
My problem with Jon since the age up, has been the lack of continuity for Superboy and Supergirl. If anything Conner and Kara should have been able to help Clark mentor Jon into becoming THE best Superman. But no, they aged Jon up and then sidelined Conner and actually DEAGED him lmao. Any recent books with Conner in it, has him looking like he’s 15, when he and his age group are supposed to be College aged people now. Conner and Kara deserve a bit more respect
@javierlopez9789
@javierlopez9789 Жыл бұрын
Kara still looked 16 when jon was like 10 so thats not new, also lois still looks 30 when she should be pushing 50 now.
@mattdemo6387
@mattdemo6387 2 жыл бұрын
You're right man, D.ceased is way better than the new version👏🏽😏
@20marvelman
@20marvelman 2 жыл бұрын
You missed your biggest point man, the sales are awful lmao especially compared to how much promotion it gets
@TheRealComicBookGamer
@TheRealComicBookGamer 2 жыл бұрын
We've known the sales are awful and I have pointed that out before but what's interesting here is the public fan backlash and that is what I wanted to highlight with this video.
@DzustComics
@DzustComics 2 жыл бұрын
Tom Taylor should just write Green Arrow! We haven't had a GA book since Percy's excellent run! Honestly I love all the leftie shit in the book, but A: that doesn't necessarily belong in a Superman book and B: if you want to bring your message across, you need to still be entertaining! Most importantly mewly established characters need A PERSONALITY! One beyond reminding people they are gay, whenever there's a gap in the conversation. Tom can and should do better! DCeased arguably is a commentary on our digital age, but it was still entertaining and developed characters!
@vinchieboy
@vinchieboy 2 жыл бұрын
Everybody loves Jon Kent in Super Sons. Everybody hated Damian Wayne (because he is a smug asshole), but loved his dynamic with Jon Kent. Super Sons gave you a glimpse to what would a kid superman and kid "Batman" do and how would they navigate in the superhero world, and yet at the same time showing that both of them are somewhat different characters from their parents (Damian is not Bruce, Jon is not Clark). Super Sons allowed the readers to grow with the characters no matter how old the reader is. Gay Jon Kent sucked (figuratively and literally I guess behind the scenes * blergh * 🤮). Superman is a symbol of hope, of persevering through insurmountable odds, ever fighting but without losing one's humanity. Gay Jon Kent is always on the verge of giving up, telling (is it himself?) over and over that he is not worthy of the mantle. That goes against who Superman is.
@warpath7985
@warpath7985 2 жыл бұрын
I am in no way saying this in an insulting manner, but you are dreaming if you think that DC will do anything regarding fixing him. They would rather see his character destroyed before this happens.
@generationaltalent8791
@generationaltalent8791 2 жыл бұрын
Bendis fans love it- the North American Michael Bendis literary apologist love it
@tankboi8249
@tankboi8249 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone forgets Tim almost banged wonder girl after dinner died and dates Lucius’ daughter Tam Fox.
@darrylblackshear710
@darrylblackshear710 2 жыл бұрын
John Kent hasn’t been good sense super sons! Let’s just be real!
@gokux75
@gokux75 2 жыл бұрын
DC needs to de age and de gay Jon.
@generationaltalent8791
@generationaltalent8791 2 жыл бұрын
He was cool when he was 10
@PhilipVonGunther
@PhilipVonGunther 2 жыл бұрын
Bad DC gay fan fiction.
@donaldallen9804
@donaldallen9804 2 жыл бұрын
I love the character
@dragunov815
@dragunov815 2 жыл бұрын
What a disaster.
@DrN0G00d
@DrN0G00d 2 жыл бұрын
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