"No Powers, Just Hands" Always IGNORES THIS

We've all seen the ANIME UFC Fighter template of various characters of
"No Powers, JUST HANDS" who wins But something I've noticed is a glaring thing many people ignore and I felt like talking in depth about this.
00:00 People Don't Understand what No Powers Actually Means
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4:51 What Anime Martial Arts Techniques Count as Powers
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[@JaxBlade]

Whats your opinion on this topic? Im very curious to hear people's takes cause had a long talk about them Also Check out my PROGRAMs to transform for Summer Time here Just copy and paste the link www.jaxblade.com/programs

[@Jacky_boy001]

I like making these discussions about who would outskill each other, rather than overpower. Also, they have to have comparable weapons. Picture akaza vs rengoku from demonbslayer, but akaza can't regenerate. That's just a stomp.

[@secretnames7414]

PowerLine! I always prefer to equalize everyone to upper-human level stats, even though it means my boy Luffy has to fumble

[@HappyMexicano]

Scaling people to human level stats seems like a more feasible way to judge some of these match ups. At that point, it will all come down to their training and fighting experience. Now I DEFINITELY want to see your impressions of Saint Seiya, or a tough like the toonz ep. Their training is... interesting, along with their fighting.

[@saterdei]

PowerLine! My preferred term is "pure skill". Someone once posed the question of which swordsman would win based on pure swordplay between Roronoa Zoro, Himura Kenshin, Afro Samurai and Mifune from Soul Eater. Zoro's endurance is definitely a superpower, but what about Mifune's ability to walk around carrying 30 swords and tossing them in the air like that? Is it a throwing skill, or just anime BS?

[@bradleychan5684]

I can agree that "No Powers, Just Hands" is ENTIRELY different than "Reduce the characters to a realistic baseline human standards without the plot armor".

[@thedarkestcomedian]

The no powers no hands argument is pretty crazy because most shonen protagonists are still superhumans even without their powers.

[@ma.2089]

I’m surprised it’s so shocking to ppl since you can see these characters flying against walls with force that cracks the cement, etc. and it’s seen as normal. Off the bat superhuman. That’s also why the argument that ppl have over how women shouldn’t be strong in these fantasy worlds cuz “MaGiC” and how it doesn’t exist irl is also so dumb.

[@bartofii]

and then you got people with vastly wild takes on how to split/clump certain traits as "power" or not. Some folk really make anything above normal as 'power' while some try and specifically find some weird way to make something count as a power like needing a special resource or is a limited cooldown.

[@markstriker925]

They are superhuman and peak human at the same time. And some of them are Aliens, demons, vampires, and have all sorts of different biology and shit. 😂😂

[@BlackOwlMage]

Reminds me of a video someone did on how strong Deku is before/without OFA and bro is a monster by human standards

[@RandomOutlet]

@@BlackOwlMage Why is everyone gaslighting to believe most mha characters are gun level 😭😭

[@fkeyae4217]

Whenever I hear “no powers” I take it as they’re fighting with human level stats, I hate when people say they’d still be able to punch at super sonic speed like that’s not a power

[@JaxBlade]

Legit tho 🤣🤣

[@jameslight4391]

It depends if the story states or is not a power then it is not. Some shows super punches are just normal with no powers

[@markstriker925]

People tend to forget that these characters get powers from different magic systems or power sources. Some of their superpowers are genetic based, some of their superpowers are magic based, while other characters get superpowers from training. Most of these characters are still superhuman to us for the most part.

[@antagonisticalex401]

​@@jameslight4391Doesnt matter. Can it be done by the strongest humans irl even if to a lesser extent? Not a power. No? Yes its a power no questions asked. You dont look at what the series ITSELF considers a power. Thats like asking a millionaire how much he makes so that we can income tax em accordingly. Like what do you think they're gonna say bro?

[@jameslight4391]

@@antagonisticalex401 by your definition of what you consider a power Luffy lifting that huge builder even though his powers were turned off is a power because a irl human can't do that. I consider what isn't a power to be something that is genetics and has no external power helping.

[@joshidk-zy9xj]

People acting as if lifting a car with their bare hands and running fast enough to catch a bullet aint a power

[@natalimoina]

You can't do that? 🤔

[@vanguard9932]

so a lot of people has a power huh

[@christophermonteith2774]

Honestly, I think that can still count as no powers, albeit with extreme difficulty. Humans irl have done similar things and survived, so not too far-fetched, depending on the context

[@jaisotheunfathomablybased7135]

​@christophermonteith2774 no human has ever ran fast enough to catch a bullet nor lifted a car casually

[@masternabber5560]

A t rex is strong enough to knock a bus over with just physical strength and a bear is strong enough to shrug off some low caliber bullets, they can do this without any "power". Have you also heard what the mantis shrimp can do with out any "power"? A creatures innate base stats is simply what their physiology allows them to do it's not a power, that would be natural for them.

[@bryn7589]

When i hear "no power" i only look at their skills nothing else

[@aleanddragonITA]

That's kinda having both No Powers & Status Equalised

[@HenshinFanatic]

@@aleanddragonITA yeah, that's the point. To bring them down to realistic levels appropriate to their build and determine who's the better fighter off pure skill. Edit: Power Line

[@mkian8434]

would Garou be considered as having no power? (pre-god’s gift of course, just the hero hunter version) or do any Baki characters be considered as “No Power” just skilled individuals In fact would you consider chakra, Ki, Reishi or any other form of anime energy as something you would call a “Power” because if it is then normal bodily function such as electrolytes, endorpines, dopamines, neurons, adrenaline, etc. would be considered as “Powers”

[@aleanddragonITA]

@@mkian8434 Garou got Monster-Cells & turned into a Monster When he has the Black Bandage provided by the Monster Association, those where made with Monster Cells

[@aleanddragonITA]

@@mkian8434 Anime energies like Ki, Reishi, Nen are not Powers (Chakra it's different because it's not Natural, it's artificially produced by the Otsutsuki through the God-Tree) But the ability to use it is considered a Power So Goku cannot use The Kamehameha or enhance his strength with Ki

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

That’s why I say “isekai’d to the real world and nerfed to irl human lvl” Edit: power line

[@JaxBlade]

Beautifully worded 😂

[@themainprotag]

Exactly it makes the conversation less annoying

[@Steven-eu7pi]

So regular people who just happen to look exactly like them, but not really them XD

[@darrienjones8917]

​@@Steven-eu7pi They have their personality

[@Steven-eu7pi]

@@darrienjones8917 Let’s hope they do XD

[@isaaccuevas1717]

Fun fact-if OG dragon ball there’s a character named wolf man who enters one of the tournament,who called himself a 24 DAN level martial artists

[@JaxBlade]

& Jackie Chun made him look silly before he helped cure him 😭

[@galaxystudios370]

excuse me that’s man wolf there’s a distinction in universe :)

[@ScienceMagicStudios]

​@@JaxBlade krilly billy can i use your dome?! no homo lol

[@oneoranota]

24th dan in japanese system would mean you trained for 300 years. I mean why not if you are immortal ? That would get you the cleanest technics ever achieved, but you won't grow much strength and speed out of it past the first 20 years.

[@nickjones8215]

POWERLINE! But yeah, when I hear "No Powers", my brain thinks "Anything a human would not be able to do, IRL"

[@christophermonteith2774]

Yes, if we include the more outrageous stuff humans have been shown to do, otherwise it's not even just no powers, but just an average Joe, or at best equilised stats.

[@Merilirem]

@@christophermonteith2774 The theoretical human peak is actually insane. So you kind of have to just make them average athletes. That way you can figure out how it would work because we see the average fighter plenty.

[@Keyofdistenyzgar]

​@@Merilirem true but to be fair the theoretical human maximum would kill or cripple people after the fact. Or bodies aren't built for maximum output for more the a couple of seconds once in a blue moon

[@levievil9220]

@@Keyofdistenyzgareven whenever we do access our maximum power output once we stop and calm down that hurts which goes into my theory that the kaiohken is just goku accessing on command adrenaline

[@Qb0516]

It's almost like most of these characters aren't human WOAH. You can take away powers but you can't take away saiyan DNA.

[@timephire]

All I know is everyone has been sleeping on Doc Oct's hands for years like they didn't see him put in work in Spiderman 2. 😁

[@JaxBlade]

HAHA OTTO was BOLD xD

[@nadrewod999]

Doc Ock's hands did some work in Spiderman 2, but his muscles were only really shown off in two or three scenes, his posture left a lot to be desired, he spent most of the movie in heavy form-obscuring clothing, and most people were paying more attention to his mechanical arms than his human hands (since his human hands couldn't extend dozens of feet or transform into buzzsaws).

[@jonsturgill6508]

I noticed how easily he shrugged off getting hit in the head with a sack of coins.

[@alphabladelm2011]

Eh, I’d say Spider-Man was going easy on him. Spider-Man was stated to be able to bench press 10 tons. If he went full blast, Otto’s skull would be decorating the bank

[@jeremiahscott2032]

@@alphabladelm2011 comics ock took note of it actually when he was in Spidey’s body and punch a villain’s jaw offf with ease

[@tristandukes5548]

You also gotta consider that most martial arts in worlds in shows like Naruto and One Piece, are going to be designed with superhuman strength in mind and wouldn't work as well with irl human level strength. Three Swords Style and the Strong Fist Style for example

[@JaxBlade]

Very Truee

[@Motorata661]

Also Martial Arts designed to use supernatural powers Like Martian Manhunter is trained to fight using his shapeshifting or DBZ fighters using ki blast.

[@belovedrequiem2891]

@@Motorata661I agree, but also don’t on the DB take. Most of them aren’t even trained at all fr, but Krillon, Goku, Yamcha, Tien, etc. those guys were actually trained martial artists that we know trained as one without the utilization of ki at first. But otherwise, yeah, big spittin

[@laytonjr6601]

Yeah, Star Wars lightsaber fighting looks nothing like real world sword fighting but that's expected when the characters use magic to enhance their stats (the Force is magic) and are constantly trying to read each other's mind to know their moves in advance

[@tristandukes5548]

@@laytonjr6601 The force is most definitely magic

[@J-AngelShifter]

Bro people need to share this video. The amount times I see people argue about these scenarios and not understand what no powers means is Infuriating. Powerline

[@JaxBlade]

HAHA At the end of the day its just drawings so nothing to take TOO Serious but yeah it nice when people know what they are talking about cause it makes the convo more fun rather than trying to crack an obstinate walnut haha

[@Oviause0713]

I wouldn't say 'not understanding' so much as the word choice is just too ambiguous about meaning it leaves too many different interpretations that no one can make a good argument until everyone has the same idea of what the limits are

[@OGslick]

@@Oviause0713context clues and critical thinking my friend. It shouldn’t have to be spelled out. If they still kept their superhuman abilities then what’s the point of the scenario?

[@Oviause0713]

@@OGslick yes, but what about the genetics of non human characters such as Goku? Do we make him have the strength of a human? If we remove everything and make them have equal stats then the only thing to look at is weight class and skill, but if we don't remove Goku's natural strength as a Saiyan then he would likely beat many of the other competitors, if they were all human it may be easier, but they aren't, even someone like Yuji who is partially human but is also partially a curse he NATURALLY has more strength, but do we remove that natural strength as it is 'superhuman'? The standard of no powers being just something that a human can achieve makes it much more limited in the characters we can actually utilize in the question, and even then when they are human, some may have fighting styles specific to their own verse that takes in the common superhuman abilities which we then need to consider as well, overall, the question just doesn't have a good answer, because you either exclude crucial parts of a character or entire groups of characters for a lack of ability to be used in the questions context

[@derrickmeade4891]

Yes make goku a human is fair cause superstrength is a superpower​@@Oviause0713

[@andresousa101]

5:15 I don't know why, but the "Holy sh*t, Danny Phantom?" After the ultra instinct thing, made me laugh a lot 😂 Powerline

[@JaxBlade]

Glad that did its job 😂

[@smashingtheadam]

Powerline. And I agree, I think it would be more like "a power is anything that cannot be reasonably expected for a real life human to perform."

[@Dolph-Face]

People think they know the actual limits of real humans and they don’t. So by this standard, Ku Yu Cheung/ Gu Ru Zhang (1894-1952, God rest his soul) was a super hero, but we know for a fact that there were multiple people within his sphere and in his life that were even beyond his skill levels but were not as well known or in the public sphere.

[@Merilirem]

@@Dolph-Face You have to go with average humans known because otherwise you have to go ask scientists and they will show you a bunch of numbers that don't make sense looking at the world's top athletes. Humanity still has room to grow before hitting our limits.

[@knightsblight]

@Dolph-Face people think they know human limits but a quirky story on some 💩 news network doesn't mean anything. Humans are as gifted and as limited as everything else on the earth. Most the stuff you see in anime is exaggerated to ridiculous degrees if not just false.

[@Vertraic]

@@Dolph-Face I mean, you may as well just say limited to equal stats. The base level of almost ALL anime fighters is so far beyond what the laws of physics state is possible with the materials that make up a human that the theoretical limit is what they would ALL be nerfed down to. Heck, the vast majority of them would have to be massively nerfed in order to be equal to a 10 ton hydraulic PRESS... If the laws of physics state it can't happen, then it is a power, no matter what supposed "alien genetics" or whatever you want to bring in. After that, it does not really matter whether it is an average fit human, or the greatest athlete/martial artist of all time, you are nerfing them down to that same level.

[@baptistecochennec5956]

​@@Dolph-Facebro ur using the exploit of someone who lived a 100 years ago and has been made a legend. His exploits are exaggerated by time when it's not straight up propaganda

[@7woundsfist]

I noticed years ago in Street Fighter that the fighters didn't match their stats. On paper, they're all undersized. I've always preferred skills based comparisons.

[@brendanpryce8009]

Sagat being a perfect example. He’s well in the 7 foot range but barely brakes 200 pounds in some iterations with a physique like his

[@7woundsfist]

@@brendanpryce8009 Facts!!! He was the first one I noticed.

[@kristoferprovencal3608]

That’s really prevalent in anime too, like it’s rare to find any character that’s supposed to weigh more than 150 lbs no matter what they look like and it makes absolutely no sense.

[@Merilirem]

@@kristoferprovencal3608 The authors typically don't understand weights.

[@wadespencer3623]

@@kristoferprovencal3608 Anime is proof that Asians aren't actually better at math.

[@ridosaputra5273]

Bro explained a common sense in 8 minute but ironically this is what most anime fans really need cause it look like they don't have it💀

[@bradleychan5684]

I can agree that "No Powers, Just Hands" is ENTIRELY different than "Reduce the characters to a realistic baseline human standards without the plot armor".

[@EternalTriadthePaladin]

I’d be very very surprised if a single reasonable person who posted a picture of characters in MMA gear with the caption “no powers, just hands” meant “no flashy stuff, just their strength, speed, and experience.” 99/100 times, it very obviously means “nothing superhuman (powers), just their skill in fighting, experience, and personality (hands)”

[@eze1196]

@EternalTriadthePaladin i mean, i think its obviously that the post means no superhuman things, but People want to complicate it

[@thepokekid01]

You perfectly explain why I don't like power scaling topics. I mean, they can be fun, but they just as quickly become unfun.... ..because even this becomes unfun: At some point you are explaining genetics as a power, (then how do you compare yourself or the real world mythology to that power, is every fight you watch just going to break down into martial arts capability and BMI? how do you then explain any of your own accomplishments?) and at that point it feels like "Who cares really?"

[@Oviause0713]

Yeah, it just becomes too much to even get a lot of characters even in real world examples like gods of different mythologies to be on a ground that you can work with to accurately compare them to the point where no matter what you're likely objectively wrong in some shape or form

[@elongatedsedation324]

And then comes people with statements about how good a character is SUPPOSED to be despite how much of their skill is actually showcased.

[@wadespencer3623]

@@elongatedsedation324 The glazing Goku and Yuujiro in particular are getting is pretty wild.

[@sigiligus]

I don’t mind casual powerscaling for fun, but I hate seeing a bunch of people who in many cases haven’t even graduated highschool yet, inventing an entire jargon as if the clear pseudoscience of fictional powers is actually materially reducible, measurable, and logically consistent.

[@laytonjr6601]

And then even if you figure a way to perfectly compare different characters' fighting abilities, if those two characters were to fight the winner would always be "who the author wants to win" as Stan Lee said. Superman should beat Batman 100% of the time on paper, but in practice story reasons like "Superman doesn't want to hurt Bruce" or "Clark was distracted by his wife getting kidnapped" are always possibilities

[@Spades20XX]

An actual “no powers, just hands” fight should be Tokyo Revengers characters vs Wind Breaker characters 🔥

[@mkian8434]

but Tokyo Revengers characters for a normal mma irl fighter would still be too much. Those characters get bodily harms that are worsts than what you would see inside an octagon and those characters just shrugg those said bodily harms the next day.

[@Mystravian]

nah gangsta pretty boy got some superhuman strength

[@anusaukko6792]

They're still superhuman.

[@OyinkansolaAgboola]

I am pretty sure that they are still superhuman

[@AnonymousHamster]

Please find me people IRL who are actually capable of the stuff that's done in either of those shows. They have physical feats that no real human can actually muster, like Sakura from Wind Breaker casually jumping clean over the heads of an entire group of people to then instantly KO someone with a kick midair and land like nothing happened without so much as a running start. Or when Choji does a spinning jump kick to Togame and sends him flying like 15 feet.

[@nadrewod999]

Even the "no powers" people in some settings are absolutely insane compared to anything in the real world. In the real world, the best bodybuilders in the world struggle to lift more than a few hundred kilos, the best boxers can easily cause permanent damage to their hands if they don't have proper technique/protection, and the healthiest people all die off within about 120 years. Meanwhile in anime, people can train by benchpressing ENTIRE FREAKING TRAIN ENGINES, boxers can use old battleships as punching bags AND BREAK THE BATTLESHIPS WITH THEIR FISTS, and the healthiest people are the geriatric drunkard martial artists WHO HAVE BEEN KICKING ASS FOR THE PAST MILLENIA OR LONGER. It's neat to draw anime characters in the MMA fighting style (since it helps show off the vast majority of their well-earned muscle gains), but even the supposedly """realistic""" animes like Hajime no Ippo would require a LOT of nerfs before they fought in the IRL MMA tournaments just to bring them down within human limits, let alone to truly make them match the power of their particular weight class.

[@markstriker925]

So true about realistic animes. Even the weakest humans in fiction are still superhuman compared to irl humans. Nolan Batman can still beat any UFC fighter.

[@grappling.enthusiast]

@@markstriker925 he aint beatin cm punk

[@Merilirem]

Indeed. You see characters without powers in stories like Batman or MHA and they are practically captain America.

[@Oviause0713]

Exactly difference in how anime as a whole portrays the strength of a character, and even particular verse's if you have to nerf one side 1000 times more than another then you kinda just look at weight class and skill level since at that point there isn't anything left to go off of

[@wadespencer3623]

In Ippo the regular punches look like knockout blows and the knockout blows would kill a man.

[@Neo232100]

My personal preference for the “no powers” idea is basically the same as your own, especially since it could be interesting to see how they’d approach fights like that.

[@caldervanegas240]

Let’s go, Jaxblade is back!

[@gamelairtim]

Excellent video, Jax. As always laying it on the power line. My favorite version of no powers is similar to yours; it really becomes a contest of personality, style and training/talent at that point.

[@JaxBlade]

Nicee & yeah I love seeing fighters try to out skill each other

[@Leo-nard0]

Great Video Jax and the part you said at 7:45 is so true, Powerscaling online feels less like "Lets have a fun discussion/debate" But more like "I want to feel a win in my life in some way". I feel you mentioned this in a previous video But for some people who powerscale they take it like "If my character loses that means I am loser" and its like no dude. Its basically a battle of imaginary friends, Dont get heated over drawings fighting.

[@RiotHiei]

7:44 this so much Bro, I miss those days of just casually havin fun with friends, these days online there are some but most times if people disagree they act exactly like 7:55 and its like It is NOT that serious

[@slay-thoven1357]

First powerscaling vid i can ever actually get behind,insta sub

[@Baki-w6z]

One power line and thank you for bringing this up because whenever I see this kind of post just think what are the boundaries being set and second love the video

[@GildedJackal]

Stand out by Powerline I always thought of the "no powers, just hands" as a "No jutsu, curse fruit, ki blast" kind of thing. Seeing you break it down and include Baki characters in that really makes me reconsider cause yeah, legit never thought about how those feats would be considered powers. I've been enlightened.

[@TriclopstheInfinite]

When I hear “no powers” I believe they’re regular humans in the real world with all their skills, height, weight and experience. So Goku 5’9 137 traditional striker vs Baki 5’6 168 MMA fighter Powerline

[@TheGamingShogun]

Goku isn't really a traditional striker he knows every martial art on earth and is stated to be the greatest martial artist on Earth surpassing characters who are DAN level 24 in the show canonically.

[@mkian8434]

Thats the problem tho with the “No Powers” dilemma, Baki characters, OPM characters or any other anime that doesnt have an energy based powers scaling (like chakra or Ki) are considered “Regular” humans. Where do you draw the line to be considered as a “Regular” human

[@TriclopstheInfinite]

@@mkian8434 just extrapolate what regular athletic people in certain sports have done and apply it to character in question. It’s not that hard. You can use the physical attributes of real life fighters and athletes with the same build as the characters in question. For Baki that’d be someone like Matt Serra for Goku it’d be Corey Sandhagen.

[@TriclopstheInfinite]

@@TheGamingShogun there’s nothing in dragon ball canon that Goku has extensive knowledge in the grappling arts, or if grappling is even a known concept in Dragonball.

[@somersaultinggiraffe1901]

​@@TheGamingShogunnot gonna change the fact that he's unskilled as fuck and only uses dogshit chinese martial arts

[@eduardonescau1865]

Really love you content bro, always help me with my fit journey! Now I'm writing my own comic, they do will powers, but I will make an special effort to turn the training routines and the fights at least "reliable"! I'm a Blue Belt Kickboxer, certainly some hands will talk 💪

[@JaxBlade]

BOOYAH! Excited to see it King👑

[@deandredukes95]

PowerLine Now I’m going to listen to Eye to Eye now 🎵

[@Bocoltempura]

PowerLine! Great video Jax, always have liked your content!

[@emiliomendoza4750]

Powerline, another banger of a discussion that you're passionate about!

[@PlagueOfGripes]

I just think of it as "If this person existed in real life as a human that just looks like their design but keeps their personality." Basically, if a human looked like them and had their mind. Discard any thoughts if they could not be applied to a real mma fighter. If someone gets pedantic because theyre trying to find a logical hole, ignore them since theyre obviously more concerned with being technically right instead of discussing anything.

[@KingGoku32794]

I love that Collection you have in the background

[@JaxBlade]

Appreciate it my dude 🙏🏾😁

[@josemarialaguinge]

Long time I haven't seen one of your videos. And this is straight facts my man.

[@Rawi888]

Real glad you get to make a career out of your passions. Its like the talks I have with myself but you just have the gets to record, edit and post your thoughts. Proud of you man, consider me a subscriber.

[@anwar5129]

Midoriya suffering in the background...

[@Dmobley9901]

Personally I just think setting the powerline is impossible. Like if we take all our favorite characters, take away hacks abilities, take away super speed, strength, endurance and reflexes, and THEN try to decide who would win- We're talking about completely different people- Hell, if we count superhuman abilities as powers that also removes super intelligence and all forms of high adaptability. At a certain point, you're stripping a character of so many of their characteristics, you can't even have a discussion anymore, because then it boils down to "Do you think someone with the height and weight of Mike Tyson but the fighting style of Bruce Lee would win? Or someone with the height and weight of Bruce Lee who does MMA would win?" There's too many filters to still have flavor, the end result is always gonna be water.

[@wilwood796]

Not only that, but characters that practice a fictional martial art that yields fantastic results (Naruto with Chakra, Goku with Ki, Kenshiro, etc) would only practice that martial art because it yields results for them. If you were to take away the Fist of the North Star from Kenshiro, you are creating a massive gap in experience that would've been occupied by something more realistic. In these cases, of course "more realistic" fighters would win because Goku has a massive amount of gap years whereas Ohma's less fantastical aspects of martial arts can be boiled down to a well-rounded MMA style.

[@Dmobley9901]

@@wilwood796 It's also sort of similar to what would happen if you scaled down a jedi or something to human levels, sure they still have SOME swordsmanship abilities, but no human is gonna be cutting bullets or deflecting them anytime soon, so anyone with a ranged fighting style is going to beat them-

[@M4x_P0w3r]

It depends. For instance, in the Death Battle between Zangief and Haggar, the main points of Zangief's victory was that, on top of Zangief having better strength feats, he's also younger, taller, heavier and didn't have politics get in the way of his training.

[@Dmobley9901]

@@M4x_P0w3r For characters where they have a more realistic way of fighting and it's a closer comparison, yeah- But it's complicated when you're trying to compare someone who is IMPLIED to be one of the best martial artists in fiction, whose preferred fighting style is shooting lasers out of their eyes, against a normal human who knows how to box, on a human level. It's like saying "No whip and no gun, does Indiana Jones beat Nathan Drake from Uncharted?" Well if you remove a majority of their preferred move set then who knows? Even among characters in the same universe, it's like asking between Naruto and Sasuke, who is the better hand to hand fighter? As far as we can tell, it's a tie, because every time they only throw hands, it ends in a draw.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

​@@Dmobley9901In this case, we have to see if their fight styles are enhanced or carried by their powers. Meaning if the extra abilities give an extra oomph to his techniques or if they are the techniques, period. In the case of the former, we can say its a legitimately good fighter. In the case of the latter, he's basically defenseless when fighting on a human level. And about your proposed scenario, I'd give it to Nathan. While he's not an expert (he loses to Nadine, who is claimed to be an expert) he's otherwise able to easily win fights against pretty much every other goon, including the big guys that Indiana struggles with. Also, I rewatched his classic fight agains the Nazi engineer and Indi overextends and relies on fighting dirty to keep up.

[@stateofhibernation]

Valid take. Never thought about it like that. Though never really dived into the discourse myself, I only ever saw the yelling matches online from time to time lol

[@blaacksugar7714]

I liked the one video you did with someone that was about how viable would various anime characters would be in a sanctioned mma fight.

[@themasterblaze7563]

I always assumed they meant "stats equalized" so it's actually determined by Technique and Skill as opposed to the One-Shot and Speed-Blitz fest just "no powers/special abilites" would offer.

[@EditDeath]

PowerLine! That over with, just wanted to share that I've started up a long-term fitness journey. Near the end of one of those couch to 5K plans, after which I'll be moving up to a more challenging cardio plan while adding some bodyweight exercises. The plan is to build up from the basics so I can start JaxBlade's "Aim To Pass The American Dream" plan in February. Finish that by Christmas next year. Wish me luck!

[@alphabladelm2011]

Good luck! If you stick it out, I’m sure you’ll emerge stronger for it.

[@EditDeath]

@@alphabladelm2011 Thanks! Just finished the first 5K. Not satisfied with my pace, but at least I finished strong. And I can add building up my pace to the next plan's goals!

[@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis]

PowerLine. Great to see you thriving. I love your Brave Crest! And yeah, I'm with you, using MMA-like measures is so much better than "only hands no power" like some of these characters are borderline insane on base, before their journey even started! Yuji and Goku are great examples of this.

[@LeelosAdventure]

This is a really good analysis video jax!

[@user-eb6fe9xm3z]

I think the sentence they're looking for is "no flashy tricks, just throw hands"

[@Raimazuki]

Straight hands mean Gojo loosing to everyone

[@GenJuhru]

Still have an army of fans tho, heck he's probably smart enough to withdraw from a/the fight.

[@flippant5138]

@@GenJuhruyeah he’s probably smart enough, but if they were dropped in a ring and had to fight…

[@samblackstone3400]

Straight hands means 5’8 Sukuna is gonna learn what reach is when he fights 6’3 Gojo.

[@Raimazuki]

@@samblackstone3400 Sukuna is a fighter and has 4 hands :D Meanwhile Gojo was using his OP shit his whole life,im not sure this mf can even fight without it at this point. No infinity,no healing - he can't have the same kind of defence as a character forced to defend himself without magical shields and heals for lifie.

[@filipferencak2717]

​@@Raimazuki4 hands sounds like a power to me

[@BiggieChungulus]

An anime channel with good takes who is also an athlete? Subbed

[@ODDiSEE_]

Im glad you made this.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Imagine someone said “who’s martial art are you taking to irl MMA (no anime surrealism)”. I can imagine someone who doesn’t know shit about martial arts saying “Taijutsu is realistic so I’m using those techniques” not realizing it takes the specific parts of Wing Chun that DON’T work in PvP, a rookie martial artist saying Agito’s Formless cuz Netflix hasn’t animated _that_ fight yet, and an experienced martial artist saying “Nico-style is real and you can learn it from Karate, Muay Thai, Jiujitsu, and Aikido”

[@predatorhunter3169]

Exactly.

[@sayerglasgow115]

Which anime martial art for IRL MMA? I pick spiral power, and use it to spend the time up to the match evolving beyond the person I was a moment before, little by little, advancing forward with each turn.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

@@sayerglasgow115 I said “no anime surrealism”

[@predatorhunter3169]

@@sayerglasgow115 what tf is u yapping about??💀

[@predatorhunter3169]

@@sayerglasgow115 are you asking what anime uses MMA martial arts ???💀

[@heyzeus7007]

Hi Jax!

[@JaxBlade]

Hi THERE!

[@pranakhan]

As a lifelong martial artist, I agree with many of your sentiments. I think of Deadpool who, before gaining the mutant regeneration that he is known for, was commonly described at being at the edge of human physical capability across the board. Thinking this way, we reset the line of homeostasis; I can imagine these fighters individually performing at an Olympic level in most regards, but touching the edge of human capability in one or two areas to differentiate them from each other. PowerLine, brother!

[@lonelyoozaru7107]

I'm glad you spoke on this. Because I was just saying how most techniques and fighting styles couldn't be used in this debate. Because they are able to use them due to powers, or biology.

[@hattoripool1533]

I was always like ok no powers but what’s stopping Goku from using his natural super strength to punch a hole in their stomach

[@antagonisticalex401]

Because thats a power. Anything a peak built human irl cannot fathom to do is a power.

[@erwinrommel2051]

Can a human punch a hole in the stomach from another human?

[@purpleey]

did u even watch the video

[@kindlingking]

If it's official crossover - marketing, if unofficial - fun outrage. But Goku and dbz in general are terrible for this sort of discussions - the show goes from silly chinese martial arts and talking animals to endless powercreep with "new" (just change hair colour) forms. Even UI, the supposed peak of martial prowess - how exactly is it different from the normal way Goku fights? And moreover how does perfect susano fit into fighting automatically without thinking? Some series just aren't for this, you'll have to essentially invent a new variant of a character or deal with so many concessions and balancing weights you might as well make an OC.

[@masternabber5560]

​@@antagonisticalex401That isn't a power, that's just a Saiyan's natural strength, that's like saying that because an ant can life 3x their weight is a power, it isn't it's just their innate capabilities.

[@KoalaZwastaken]

For me the "no powers" rule is just a MMA cage match at a human level, it's way more interesting to discuss martial arts of each character, i personally don't take weight into account otherwise it would be pretty unfair, reach is fine. I like comparing combat skill alone in this type of discussion. Powerline.

[@Naldinho456]

True but what if the skull is relative reach and weight matter alot

[@VictimofNightCity]

Love you showing power every time you say that’s a power!🎉

[@lashonnakennybrew4847]

I am so happy and glad you talked about this I've been seeing straight hands and no powers on Twitter for a while to I was hoping somebody would explain this to me to how can you have a fight with no superpowers but with powers you get to keep your life base abilities and stuff like martial arts and other stuff😂😂😂

[@TheFirehands150]

The problem with "No Powers, only real life Human level" is that it would vastly change the body structure of every character. Like Goku works out non-stop. He would become Heavy Weight and he would look like his Saiyan Saga Kaioken X3

[@Easttowest45]

That cut from Rock to Zoro and Sanji reacting was excellent

[@alexanderlor1945]

The fun way I like looking at this is looking the character's physical attributes and finding some fighter irl that matches similar to them and just giving the character's their stats and then stacking whatever skill they have on top of that

[@kodamanat4508]

i just wanted to say i stumbled upon your video and noticed your digimon crest, hard to get a good look but from the color its courage right? i was always a knowledge or hope enjoyer myself but i just wanted to pop down and let ya know

[@dylan6386]

Less than a minute in,I just saw one of those posts today and I was thinking the exact same thing😂.so many people gloss over the natural genes, / superhuman and the level of martial arts in the verse😅

[@fadeleaf845]

Cool Powerline stuff, it's also a bit tricky to estimate the strength and reflexes if brought to human levels. Some of these characters still stand out in one regard to their physique. I'd also love to see Minoru Kagenou participate in these MMA rounds. The dude's been able to train in all sorts of martial arts and wield weapons expertly well before he got isekai'd and became the Eminence in Shadow. Might be a bit tough for him to fight some of these prodigious martial artists but he may keep up.

[@tommynelson1616]

I'm a day late to this one, but you had me at "equal stats". That's how I'm gonna look at it from now on. Powerline.

[@SirMcCheese]

Powerline! I like trying to discuss it with no super strength or speed. Like thinking about whether Might Guy or Goku would be the superior martial artist on a technical level just seems like it would be a cooler conversation. Though if they tried over training like they do in anime they would be competing to see who ends up in the hospital the soonest.

[@Narrativerse]

Amazing vid, felt like I was a powerline witht that surge of informartions

[@realdreamerschangetheworld7470]

Good video 😊

[@ashimbeast4732]

Please do mike Tyson vs anime characters with no powers. Btw love your videos. 😊

[@keeninja_bud]

I’m glad you talked about this because it’s always frustrating when talking to people about how these fights would just play out; I prefer talking about no powers and strictly just hand combat. A lot of these characters literally have extraordinary abilities that are way above what an actual human being has the capability of doing (even within their own universe)-- yet some people still act like they don’t have powers 😂. Not just hypothetical anime discussions but in superhero discussions too.

[@johnnyquiddd7281]

Powerline 💪✊ Also I think the MMA version of no power is the best, especially if you practiced some martial arts irl comparing 2 characters that way is just so much fun. For example... I think Luffy's style of no power fighting would be like Max Holloway's stand and bang.

[@spacewizard6743]

POWERLIIIINE! Listen......thank you for always being here whenever I decided to push past My depression and get back on my nerdy anime training arc❤❤❤

[@armorbearer9702]

Solid point, I guess the rules of the fight need to be established before having a "No Powers, Just Hands" debate.

[@omni0414]

Loved the video. Powerline!!!!

[@NeutralDrow]

P-powerline? This reminded me of that "Superman Fights Muhammad Ali" comic from back in the day. I forget what the actual reason for the fight was, just that it genuinely _was_ Superman with "no powers, just hands" (i.e. depowered to regular, albeit physically-fit, human, needing to train to box, and obviously still losing to the more-experienced Ali).

[@mikemarks6136]

Bro where did you get that hat? I love it

[@birdmcturd1626]

Bro,I looked away to read comments and kind of tuned out and then just heard “I will send you death threats,I will cyberbully you”

[@arcane7602]

Thank you for pointing this out!😂🙏

[@RukaDesu]

very interesting video ~

[@lil1010devil]

Bro I'm watching kengun ashuea vs baki later today you predicted it just remember and keep up the good work

[@archysimpson2273]

I found it disappointing since it lacked all the real world skill that made Kengun ashura good.

[@lil1010devil]

@@archysimpson2273 hey bro I liked the movie planning to watch kengen asura later this week but yeah from the clips from YT I've seen yeah it is more baki like

[@lokinocmrperfaq4two175]

Sir u had me subscribed @ 5:10

[@Speculector]

side note my fav thing about Danny Phantom is he was doing the "hair changing from black to white when he powers up" long before Luffy, Goku, or Kaneki.

[@alexbentwood7189]

what about techniques which cant be used irl like biscuit oliva's ball or bakis dinosaur thing. Should these be used in the battle or are they considered a power

[@jerseys89finest]

I always said we need theme music in real life. It would spice up so many situations lol

[@princerahjah8670]

#PowerLine Always an interesting Conversation to start up, Feels like I could talk about this forever.

[@JaxBlade]

Same thooo

[@thatweirdbrazilianguy6162]

Gotta say, wasn't expecting to see a rebosteio animation in a non-brazilian video (I'm talking about the Goku vs kid Naruto vídeo at the start)

[@kennethcooper1124]

Power lines r interesting also dope video

[@umutcantacer7271]

I understand the super strength and speed and what not. But I never thought of fighting techniques as "powers". But you are right. Like imagine all of them at the same strength, height and weight and Hayato Furunji would body everyone by skill alone. That man could double jump, throw people like shuriken, and give you amnesia. Those are definitely super powers.

[@Garyof11]

What video is that at 1:19?

[@PauloJrchannel]

I think the most interesting one would be yes powers, but stats equalized, because then we get to analyze how their techniques would interact rather than one character just getting blown to pieces on the first punch.

[@mateusmoraispereira8440]

Exactly, and would be cool to see an analysis of pure skill, fighting style and expirience alone

[@JaxBlade]

My Best anime fighter videos that in depth & over an hour long in the description box

[@DrunkPanda239]

7:04 i like to head cannon gravity training messed up their earth weight, which is why they seem lighter than they look.

[@user-kh5pn8to5m]

I always took the “no powers” as limiting their movesets to only their martial abilities.

[@zacharyelliott1705]

Love the three amigos clip in there

[@austinmiller7579]

I agree with everything you said, but what about characters like Buu that are like, made of weird magic stuff? I only ever get hung up on those characters because physically they’re so different when compared to a normal person just at a baseline.

[@1cyy365]

Yo that bardock armor shirt is awesome

[@crossbladevi]

Holy nostalgia, PowerLine! I loved those goofy movie songs!

[@jbrew1237]

I like the "Bring them down to normal human limits" more than allowing the atlas factor stuff or anything beyond what we can feasibly do. Cause the scale of how high or low those goes really changes depending on the verse so it gets really complicated, and while it is fun to compare the base lines of the various races or verses, when they are at the level we understand then we can discuss fighting ability in a way that doesn't have as much confusion about it. It's more understandable and we can even look to real life examples to see how things can play out and it helps visualize it more in my opinion

[@easyyeye]

1:12 lol Jax face on the screen behind him, is the face I make hungover on a Sunday.

[@CalCutieYT]

Bro went Canadian with that “Fitness-eh” 😂

[@zaperzero]

Powerline. My favorite take on the topic of power scaling is to pit fighters that work around the obvious results of others. A good example would probably be how I look at La Squadra vs Cipher Pol 9. I woudln't pit them in a cage match just trying to kill eachother who has the best line up of hax and numbers. I think the most interesting challenge would be to saddle the two groups with trying to assassinate one anothers' worst fighter in a town where neither group has full intel on the other, but knows the total head count of each group.

[@Chester-mz2ep]

Pretty sure the “no powers, just hands” means their actual hand to hand ability, so we are not talking about super strength and speed and what not, just straight technical ability