No Soak No Simmer (NSNS) Easy Grain Tek for Millet/Oats/Bird Seeds

[@donnyjuan7532]

So I have been using no soak no simmer Tek for a while now and i dont use jars i use 10 T Unicorn brand grain bags based on a video by the humble fungus and in my experience when using the grain bags they do not require a hot shake just thought i would point out some differences on how i use this method! thank you mush love y'all!

[@Trex-xk7ej]

What's your millet to H20 ratio on the 10T bags?

[@n8n888]

I use semicen oats. Triple washed. Rinse them 2 times. Then follow pgt process. I sterilize in an oven dry. I can do about 30qt at a time. 1 hour 300f then 1.5 hour 250. A lot of ppl talk badly on oven tek but if you do it right you will never need a PC. I may get a couple jars contam out of 100. It works

[@BingoVanBongo]

Yes, I find Oven tek works very well for me

[@official-kin]

When i have to choose one yt guide for mushroom cultivation than it is PTG! Never disaipointing! 👌

[@doloinc]

For WBS: if you constantly get burst grains towards the bottom, elevate them out of the water completely. Use a stainless circular 12" drying/steamer rack with at least 2in legs; will give enough clearance so that you can add enough water for the cook (including initial off-vent) and the jars won't be submerged

[@jakelooter5139]

yeah def raise up above the water or useless fucking grains...good point!

[@kdhoward83]

Or 5-6 empty aluminum cans on the bottom. On their side

[@josephpowers6562]

Wow, thank you! I couldn’t figure why I had gotten burst grains on my first ever run and it was really bugging me because I followers the tek down to the gram on another video, plus I know I couldn’t have been more than 1-2 psi over 15 at any given point. I’m about to order an aluminum drying rack rn. Much appreciated brother!

[@mrwolf751]

Where can I find one of these racks?

[@whom1382]

Gonna attempt long brown rice with this method now. CAME TO CLASS ON TIME WELCOME BACK

[@boatshoes7131]

How’d this work?

[@macslavsquatblyat9476]

I have done this tek with WBS. Works well, and there is a trick to get rid of the clumping at the bottom of the jar. First, you need some good quality oven mits with the heat guard where you won't feel how hot the jar is when it is time to shake. Tilt the jar gently upside down with one hand and gently knock the bottom of the jar so the clumped grains can drop, then shake from the sides and it will redistribute the moisture and everything! After the jars are fully cooled down you can then innoculate all on the same day!

[@DerekTant]

Great information, man! I did this method the other day with WBS. My ratio was different from yours (230g WBS to approx 120ml gypsum water). I prepped 14 jars that with good success. And thank you so much for all the knowledge. You are helping heal the world.

[@longfeatherlong8228]

I love the no soak no summer tek. I do however rinse my grains first as well as periodically shaking during the cooling process on top of the hot shake. If you don't hot snake then they may not come completely apart later. Rinsing does help lower the clumping some.

[@wesleymyers8205]

I'm thinking of adding a tiny bit of gypsum to see if that helps with clumping

[@longfeatherlong8228]

@@wesleymyers8205 It does. Just a quarter teaspoon per quart jar/liter of grains. Sorry this is soooo late. I no longer use this tek myself tho. I dish and some now with better results(less contam and/or soggy). And I use the water after the summer for agar and it works great. Plus the grains are used to feeding on the nutrient by the time it goes to grain and they just take off. agar is 50/50 bottle water/grain water.

[@wesleymyers8205]

@@longfeatherlong8228 I tried simmering and it caused way more popped grains. maybe I did it for too long whats your technique steps? how long do you simmer milo

[@longfeatherlong8228]

@@wesleymyers8205 I rinse the grains 3 or 4 times, until the waste comes out clear. I remove all of the "floaters". Then I soak it with calcium for 24 hrs. Then I put that on the stove and heat it up until just before it boils or simmers(when little bubbles start to rise and it's steaming well. Then I pour out the water(saving it for agar late) and put the grains onto a screen or towels. I mix them around every 15 mins or so until they're dry on the outside. Then I jar them up and pc for 2 hrs. Shake when cooked enough to take out of pc.

[@danilomandic2858]

Another advantage of the NSNS method I have heard of, and which makes sense to me, is that it preserves the nutritional value of the grain, whereas by soaking and simmering, a bit is lost to the water.

[@jasonransdell7055]

PGT returns!! Thank you

[@lfz89]

PGT, you're the man. Got me started on my cultivation journey. 🙏

[@celestialmycology134]

Couldn’t have come at a better time! Just got my first PC a few days ago and have been eying some grain to get started! Thanks for all that you do brother!!!

[@Dam_Sounds]

Great video as always. I let mine soak over night in the jars, shake them wenever I walk past them. Shake them again before PC. 200g red sorgum, 100g wheat with 150ml water.

[@josephsmith3469]

I just set some WBS to soak yesterday afternoon! I’m gonna sterilize tonight, but this video will help me out for next time. Thanks bro

[@SquashDaBeef]

Gave up on WBS. Just did some unicorn bags with millet and some with rye. I found the millet colonised quicker. Overnight soak, no simmer, then PC for 3hrs. Sorted!

[@brokenneck]

Nice! Glad to see you back PGT!

[@aaroncolvin2202]

I have tried nsns in the past. I didn't know that you could do it was WBS. I have done it with Millet and Oates . Thank you for sharing.🍄❤️

[@doloinc]

Wbs usually is 90% millet and Milo (sorghum), so carry over makes sense

[@derrickcarroll4932]

Your videos are what convinced me that i could do this Thank You So Much!!!!

[@osiriswills6749]

This guy never disappoints. Has a method for almost everything

[@BloopBlop9000]

Dirty jars dont have to be an issue. The dry/wet weight ratio is the only thing that matters so you can just quickly rinse off the grain / birdseed before putting them in jars and weighing out the rest of the water My recipe for WBS has been: - 300g dry bird seed / 1qt jar (I look for millet heavy feed with no cracked grain or corn) - Rinse all the grain in a strainer or bowl until the water is no longer too cloudy to see the bottom easily - 450g wet weight. Split grain between all jars and add water so that they each weigh out to 450g

[@NagashiChidorii]

thats what I was just thinking too! thanks for your recipe and exact weights

[@jakelooter5139]

Brett your bird seed grain jars are SOOOO PRETTTYYYY....

[@scoop3]

Love this, thanks! Any suggestions on weights with JUST millet?

[@BloopBlop9000]

@@scoop3 I haven't tried just millet by itself but I'd start at the same 2/1 ratio and test varying the water from there if it's off

[@bassboosthq2673]

wait wait wait so i can just simply rinse my grain thoroughly and then NSNS and it should be less or not cloudy at all? might mess around with a popcorn no soak no simmer if you think thatd work in my favor please drop a comment lmao

[@shawnwillis7561]

I don't do a soak, but I do like to give my grains a rinse and a simmer. I like to get rid of residue and any garbage on the outside of the grain and then boil for 30 to hydrate.

[@KushNCoffee]

Thanks Teach! Always a pleasure watching

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

Perfect timing!!! I've been procrastinating on preparing my next batch of grains even tho it's just soaking. It's because whenever I'm like imma sterilize some grains I have to soak and do other stuff first. Now when I'm inspired to sterilize and can just go right to that in essence now

[@goliath1samuel17]

lmfao thats me also

[@macslavsquatblyat9476]

Same here! I wanted to switch grains up for cost effectiveness and Wild Bird Seed seems to be the way to go! Also like the idea that it is easy to shake, colonized well when innoculated and then easy to spawn to sub. Looking forward to trying this on my next grain run!

[@Shroomunati]

The brown rice is where it’s at, had a textbook first grow

[@GingeRenee]

I just made some popcorn grain jars with the drippy corn tek. I was nervous i had too much moisture as i could see moisture on the inside no puddling just moisture where the corn sitting so i’m glad you showed us the close up of the grain jars. I’m so ocd and want to succeed on this so i wanted to make sure im on the right track before i use the rest of my PE lc. I need to buy agar plates and liquid culture mix to save some genetics so i don’t have to wait for genetics to show up in the mail plus save money.

[@drewallen3100]

Please sir can you tell me if you can do this with popcorn

[@joelbrayboy166]

Awesome video I think all shroom heads think alike I got some bird seed today and I didn't think they needed to be soak I just rinsed mine out and let them set and air dry now about to pressure cook good luck to all of us

[@l.slayer551]

I’ve never had a problem with placing the additional three jars on the top layer with the NSNS method, and have done so many many hundreds of times. Just ensure the lid is oriented with the air exchange port toward the top so the water level is safely below the filter.

[@chrisbammer4946]

Personally I favor a good simmer because the oats I buy aren't the cleanest and it helps clear out a lot of the junk

[@jakelooter5139]

yeah this is a better route I only no soak no simmer millet, but you actually get a better product soaking for a day and quick simmering before drying the outsides...

[@jonnnature1942]

Pgt is backk yay

[@VoodooBrown]

Aaaaaand he’s back….

[@Rain-di2bq]

I just started again in over a year and this video couldn't of came at a better time

[@jamesmaynard4003]

👍

[@psilocybicacid7667]

Aaaaaaaaaand I'm gay

[@CalvinJTripp]

Awesome thanks I’m going with this method the only issue is I’ve been using a big tea pot to sterilize so I gotta get a pressure cooker soon! Cheaper and time consuming so my wife don’t get mad when making my medications lol!

[@slartibartfast7921]

Thanks for doing what you do mate.

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

Thank you for being a part of this journey together 🙏🍄

[@LafBoi]

I only do NSNS teks with my oats. Perfect every time.

[@modeob88]

what kind of ratio are you using ? Normally i use 500cc jars (17oz) (500ml)

[@LafBoi]

@@modeob88 hey sorry I totally forgot to respond. I’m going over my notes at the moment, and I have written out 1oz oats to .75oz of water by weight. For jars, I do 7oz oats to 5.25oz of water. Bags I have written 35oz oats to 26.25oz water. I know I tried a slightly higher amount of oats and water this run, but I like to have my grains a bit dry just to make sure they aren’t goop. best to try a few different ratios to find your favorite! Hope this helped!

[@yes-jz5hd]

I haven't been getting your videos in my feed. Keep up the content tho it's really good

[@easybreezygrows]

You must read my mind!!😂 I was gunna do a substrate video tomorrow!!! Great video my brotha!!!!

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

Appreciate you checking it out homie! 😎

[@Vinntiss]

Would NSNS TEK also work with boxed brown rice? Thanks for all the help with theses videos!

[@ethankaufman8577]

Plain brown rice you don't need to soak, a quick 10 minute simmer then drain rinse and pc works a treat and is only about 20 minutes more active time than nsns with more consistent results

[@g-lurk]

can you do a tour of your lab, and maybe your grow tent setup? I'd like to see how you manage humidity/temperature. I'm also curious how you protect your home from constant high humidity, AND ALSO how you manage spores being EVERYWHERE in your fruiting room when accessing the tent. thanks for all the great videos!!

[@jchristolus]

Thanks for the video! Always more information then I can afford to pay for! Thank you!

[@vpoppv]

Wow! I got out of mycology for a bit because of contam, but this seems easy enough to go right back in! Thank you!

[@jarredwoolis4929]

Weak

[@redditman3701]

Contamination is an issue with your process. If your not mindful enough to try and understand every step your taking then and its consequences i recommend to not get in to the hobby again.

[@vpoppv]

@@redditman3701 good point! This does look like a shortcut, and I do have much better ways to spend my time than mycology 😊. Thank you.

[@squirlmy]

@@redditman3701 that sounds a little too accusative. If there's a particular problem with the particular environment, and, for example a lack of access to a "flow hood" or something similar, then that's not a problem with understanding. I think it's a little strange how quickly RSN agreed with you and gave up. Surely that's not the result you are looking for?

[@MrGuffpuff]

I have had ups an downs first time no agar work 25% was good second time i did good from agar work while i also made lc from ms that was bad so went from 90% success to 0% success now im at 90% an counting down but realised i dont vent my pc so not sterilizng properly lol fcking love this hobby

[@lyddiayannuzzi5564]

I screamed. HELLO PGT

[@drewh9456]

PGT back with knowledge!!

[@justinrutlidge7367]

is it possible to wash the bird seed and do everything else the same? could really save me some time

[@thecandyman5321]

Do you think he upload between long mushroom trips in the woods

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

Maybe! 😄🍄

[@Fall3nL3g3nd]

Yes this is exactly what i need i have 5 kgs of millet prepared for this moment :D

[@foxtailedcritter]

Glad to see you again. You and Hamilton Morris are the only two people who show and say it how it is. Everyone else likes to obscure this info or hype it.

[@TanyaWells]

Trying it today! I even bought a real pressure cooker. Let the unreasonable anxiety of pressure cooking begin!

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

That's great. It's awesome to have a pressure cooker! Wish you the best, you got this! 🙏

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

Way to go. Do update us how things are progressing.

[@captainbonez]

This can be done in grain bags too right?

[@kerrid8392]

Can you use metal lid with a ring? Do you still need to drill a hole in the lid? Thanks!😊

[@joeben7861]

Ok so I see bird seed is a option. I have like bird chicken feed I get by 50lb a bag. I was curious if I could use that.

[@macgreeze8287]

Long time no see glad your back.

[@GraftingAvocados]

What would the ratios be for rye and sorghum for this method?

[@Waterkillsfish]

Honestly love the mircophone

[@nxzca]

you came back😁

[@firstnamelastname5883]

I'm popcorn through an through but I did buy a couple bags from Walmart I can try now thanks to ur vid🔥

[@kraigthirty4991]

if you do nsns popcorn what popcorn to water ratio do you use? thanks

[@firstnamelastname5883]

@@kraigthirty4991 3 bags of the 2lb yellow popcorn fits in my stock pot which makes 7 quart jars, put the corn in the pot and add water about 2-1/2" above the corn. Get it to a high boil at first then bump it down to a medium low boil for about 35-40 minutes. Then ur all good chief, let it air dry of course then sterilize

[@ditz2998]

I'm assuming you hlaf the ratios if you use 500ml jars?

[@taylormadefungi9004]

PGT in the place to be good to see you my bro

[@toddwmac]

Great to see you back PGT! Just got done taking a clone from a bomber fruit thanks to all your lessons. If my notes from your other videos are correct, I noticed you decreased the millet in your ratio to a 1.77:1 from a 2:1. Did something specific change or did you just tweak it over time? Appreciate all your efforts!

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

Nothing specific, just tweaked it over time.

[@cubertbensin]

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher what are those stainless work tables/shelves you use in front of your hood called?

[@VMKinnovations]

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher at what patreon level do we get access to your tutorials?

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

@@VMKinnovations the pgt fam tier and anything above it

[@VMKinnovations]

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher tks...you well deserve the top tier anyways...that was a brain fart from me 😆

[@Rolandfart]

I always show up to class on time

[@scottxd45]

If you didn’t already see this on patreon you’re late to class 😜

[@kraigthirty4991]

ever experiment with a nsns popcorn tek? what would ratio of popcorn to water be? thanks

[@everythingplusultra]

Planning to use milo only can i use this recipe ratio for milo? And can i double it for bags ?

[@the1DasKrahen]

Is this NSNS method good with bags?

[@alilou2002]

glad your back sir . i need your help in something .. ( so in this time my coco coir suplly didnt get me some ) so i decide to grow magic on sawdust . i know that magic are secondery consmateur so i add Bran and oats and milled wheat . sawdust is just for humidity and keeping water . and the others for some nutients Ps : i sterilze them . So now i am seeing a litlle mycelium that coming on top . so it s an good idea or just a bad one !

[@mikessuttoncctx]

Thank you PGT. You are one super badass dude!

[@rossclarke8028]

Huh, i use 2/3 the weight of the oats as water, so for every 30g oats i add 20g water. Seems to work well for me, maybe a difference in our oats?

[@Oklahomahiker405]

Thanks philly

[@joshuafreeman6720]

I dont think you need more water cuz the grain is bigger i thibk just 60% pf the weight is standard hydration.. so does it matter?

[@wvcruffler123]

I am using oats - trying for 45-50% moisture. Nominal moisture content for the dry oats is 10% so basically adding an equivalent amount of water minus 10-15% - 500g oats 425-450g water. Is you water addition based on the moisture content of the substrate or is there another issue to keep in mind w WBS etc. I am doing various oyster mushroom species.

[@gojufckkcggc7292]

Listening on the speaker. My dog thinks it's meal time when you shake the seed🤣

[@Jhizzle473]

Can you do this with popcorn?

[@modeob88]

After shaking them while hot, what is the minimum that should be waited to inoculate?

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

Time will vary. You just need to wait until it is room temperature. If the outside of the jar is warm, the inside is hotter.

[@modeob88]

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher Thanks bro! Your youtube channel is the one!

[@rickpolar]

It seems to me that a hybrid of NSNS and traditional soak/simmer would be best. Why not still wash the grains before jarring them for the NSNS? Seems like you'd get the best of both, cleaner less sticky grain with the ease of sterilizing/cooking the jars at the same time. Also, with the traditional soak/simmer it seems very easy to overcook the grain if you're boiling it and then also steaming them for 90 mins

[@TalkingHeartsPodcast]

Millet is good for cubensis?

[@themyceliumnetwork]

I tried this in 2lb filter patch bags with longer PC time, it comes out a little dry so I added an extra 40 ml H2O & all works out. guessing the bags lose more water than jars in the PC for 2 hours to 2.5 hours (90 mins never works for me personally)

[@fathippie8404]

What are the elevated work rack/trays with the round holes called? And where can I buy them? Thanks!

[@eeassa]

Why don't you use a lid modified with an incubation port as well?

[@BuckFoeJiden]

I've been using coir/vermiculite with powdered oyster shell and bat guano mixed in. I'm running a batch with some added food grade cellulose right now that's out performing anything else I've ran to date.

[@codemajic8238]

do you have an ingredient list? portiors? thanks

[@codyanderson5896]

Any thoughts on an instapot as a sterilizer ?

[@obsidianjaguar]

not enough pressure in an instantapot to get it up to 15psi , therefore you'd have to calculate more time in you cook to get deep down into the center where the microspores live ... for example my cheap one only gets up to 7psi , so a 90 ,minute PC at 15psi became 4 hours at 7psi... and due to the size of my insta pot I max out at 2 jars .. whereas I can do 10 in the PC ... that means doing 20 jars in the insta would take 40 hours same number of jars in a proper PC would be done in 18- minutes ... if you live in the USA the prestos are less than $100 ... down here we pay double that plus about the same amount in top fir shipping , and it is still very very worth it :) i

[@codyanderson5896]

@@obsidianjaguar thank you

[@CL9k24a3]

@@obsidianjaguar I also have 7 psi... Was doing 2h ray with 70% contamination: 30% success ratio but didn't know that it need to be 4h long cook. Thanks for info

[@youngmf6052]

Why not rinse before you don’t soak? Seems like that would clean up the small particle problem

[@BrandonSmith-dn2uc]

Could we just rinse the oats before we put em in the jars?

[@dandy8308]

Why the foil around the top? Is for due to the lids that have FAE holes? And to stop grains getting more wet? Ive found even with tight dbl elastic bands atound foil, the grains still get too wet if theres a hole in lid. Not sure what to do

[@modeob88]

I am using oats, you say fill the jar with 185gr oats and 215ml water. Assuming that I use jars of different sizes, we can say that it is correct to use a ratio of 215:185, that is -> 1.15 : 1 (water:oats) (gr:ml) ? Thanks

[@mckennarayburn9734]

Can you fill up the jars anymore than this? When I Measured the whole grains it didn't even fill up to half the jar?

[@thomasmorrison8933]

For bags should I just do it the same way?

[@rhyshatton9338]

Ive never done nsns but will give it a go🤘

[@Hay3s]

would this work for brown rice or popcorn as well?

[@yjontheway]

Rinse the grains before loading them and it won't be gunky or dirty when finished with PCing

[@U--Haul]

for those who wanna fill a the jars 3/4ths full once done use 300g millet to 169.8g of water. 265 g / 150 ml = 300 g / X ml To solve for X (the amount of water needed in milliliters), we can cross-multiply and solve for X: 265 g * X ml = 150 ml * 300 g X ≈ (150 ml * 300 g) / 265 g X ≈ 169.81 ml

[@mitchhutto2953]

@o if i do 50 50 itll be to dry for oats

[@Djmowsheep]

he is back probably not for long but hes back

[@belenzucchini]

Hi :) I just discovered your channel and I'm fascinated. In less than an hour I learned a huge number of things, so thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, I'm very grateful. I have been using brown rice to grow psilocybe mushrooms mycelium, and I would like to know if you recommend this same technique with rice or recommend me more than use oats, millet or bird food. If so, which is more recommended? From already thank you very much. Greetings from Argentina!

[@TeaTellyWMaria]

PGT has a brown rice prep video as well.

[@belenzucchini]

@@TeaTellyWMaria Thanks Maria, I will see it :)

[@ThisFlowIsBananas]

how are the results of this vs broke boi tek? I'm just getting started and don't have a pressure cooker, so I was wondering what you think the comparison/contrast of these two methods is.

[@lilpanini1351]

Do you add 150ml of water after a soak , or do you just PC after 24 hrs , mush love ❤

[@bigbunnyjungle5074]

How many cc’s of liquid syringe per pound of seed ? Thx

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

2-3 cc is plenty! 🙏

[@bigbunnyjungle5074]

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher thx for info… been getting a lot of moisture in the bottom of the bags… wasn’t sure if too many cc’s liquid syringe or this corn I bought was not pasteurized correctly ?

[@FLAPERY]

Hi im trying wheat and barley is there any reason why these shouldn't work the same

[@timm5358]

Spitball's Quick Rye Prep... an even better alternative.

[@alexandertanski]

Where I can I get the right Millet to use for this

[@stacy.spenny]

Ur the man

[@modeob88]

We can use this technique with brow rice?

[@johnsouthern6089]

Impossible to get an All American open while it's still hot.