Wild Bird Seed Tek - How To Make Mushroom Grain Spawn

[@sk8flex639]

The intro already is worth a like dude.

[@jeremypaceley983]

i love how mono tone his voice is after the intro

[@dylanpascoe1162]

Gotta watch out for them magpies

[@GingeRenee]

i know i hit like as soon as i started giggling watching that. 😂

[@apex9841]

I was gonna type this 😂

[@jonathang969]

Am I the only one who feels like I am almost meditating when I watch your videos? Great stuff thank you!

[@EivinJohansenNy]

Yeah, almost ASMR voicing and chill humor and info at the same time

[@Holypikemanz]

sounds like someone is mumbling the whole video lol

[@davidafenderson3446]

I think I have watched your videos 10x over and this is no exception. Like Tao, the more you repeat it the more knowledge unfolds. With each reiteration, I find more kernels of knowledge and seeds of wisdom. I’m having so much success, plus the only plastic I have used and thrown away were a few solo cups for agar. So much respect and so many thanks for helping me to bountiful at home mycological adventures. Next up is lions mane.

[@HeyRaeSunnyDay]

Well done! PS if you scoop out the sunflower seeds that float to the top when soaking, let them dry a bit, then toss them in the yard for the Squirrels!

[@Mushmammy]

This is exactly what I do lol.

[@HenkFueltank]

Amazing timing, I was literally researching this yesterday!

[@aidennymes6335]

I was literally searching for this right now !

[@Bloodandeath]

I was literally gonna be researching this in a couple of days!

[@fillingsauce7130]

Dawg your videos are the BEST for shrooms. Seriously can't thank you enough

[@BlakeFlud]

Wooohoooo PGT and coffee in the morning!!! Thank you Sensei!!

[@TheTubejunky]

Thanks for reminding me to drink coffee I have Reishi to put to agar!

[@workhardplayhard801]

I love this channel ❤

[@jpnmasochist]

I've tried a few alternatives if you don't have the space, cheese cloth your grains and microwave it for 5 minutes. Then let it sit out. It will steam out all your excess moisture.

[@jakelooter5139]

? huh?

[@ericabarnes9359]

I’ve been waiting for this one!!

[@PaulManningg]

We’ve been waiting for YOU. Damn mami

[@chychywoohoo]

@@PaulManningg 🤦‍♂️

[@Maderbiich]

@@PaulManningg creepy dude

[@williamwhitaker1868]

Thanks for this one man, I'm inoculating my second lot of wild bird seed tek tonight, it's been my most successful grow yet,

[@donnbialik9085]

Willy Myco had a good video about why millet from wild bird seed is best grain. very small lots of inoculation points, small centers reduce chances of internal contamination. Willy suggested skimming off the majority of the sunflower seeds though.

[@Lopeys2446]

From what I've read it really doesn't matter if you remove the sunflower seeds or not, the reason people do is for cosmetic reasons and mycelium doesn't really grow on the seeds to to a small degree they slow down growth. But it's not a huge deal like willy makes it out to be.

[@jakelooter5139]

@@Lopeys2446 the issue he mentions and that is true is they can pop and expel a fatty substance that can be a contam issue....

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

@@jakelooter5139 Willy Myco steals other people's teks and has zero credibility. He's a laughing stock on the Shroomery and other reputable community sites.

[@mr.b9127]

Thanks Sensei for another great video. Join the discord everyone.

[@ecarstensen]

What's discord?

[@DS-pb3bp]

You have a great way of keeping info simple but very effective. Your videos have been a useful reference in my own projects.👍

[@themyceliumnetwork]

I picked up 2 - 40 lb bags of WBS off of FB marketplace for free, good timing PGT !!

[@Kchill1986]

By far one of the most informative and good channel ive dubbed to!

[@slink1957]

...for you bird lovers like myself, any incidental WBS leftover is greatly appreciated by our furry feathered friends especially during these cold snaps.

[@mushroommania841]

I’ll definitely feed some birdies for you 🤙🏽

[@FacesintheStoneShorts]

For sure

[@tannmour]

Hey bro thanks so much for posting even though youtube is being just demolishing the mushie community.

[@shiroikujira3848]

Hi Philly! Love your videos! I have a question: 7:17 why do you use unmodified lids without filters? What is the advantage of it except convenience? Thank you

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

There is no need for a filter, a fingertight lid provides enough oxygen for the mycelium.

[@robb.5035]

@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter, But how are they inoculated without an injection port? Looks like a still air box or flow hood are a must for this tek.

[@jshaf8782]

@@robb.5035 Yeah a SAB works great for Agar to grain transfer or for LC so no need for the port. The port is nice tho for sure.

[@ericabarnes9359]

Are you going to do an LC video anytime in the future?

[@AnonymoStranger]

So close to my first harvest & I Trich'd out. Determined to make it work though & I was prepared for this, gonna give bird seed a try for my upcoming G2G transfer (:

[@AviatorDave]

How did you prepare your substrate for your first harvest? I hope that I can help you because I hate the forest green also.

[@Maerra7]

You gotta let grains steep to germinate the endospores.

[@tanker8825]

I like taking the sunflower seeds out an duping them in the yard they are gone in a day the kids love seeing all the critters in the yard

[@master_oogway266]

who else here is learning as much as possible about mushrooms. this dude is awesome, one good thing to come from covid.

[@starkillerbeats420]

Ok.

[@AaronAlso]

I notice that the soak and boil method seems to have gone out of favor. There is a reason we soak first, or back in my day; the process of soaking allows the endo-spores to germinate; cellular growth is much easier to kill than spores.

[@TheTubejunky]

I agree with the "Soak and Boil method". Wouldn't pressure cooking the grains after soaking still kill those endo-spores or any growth from them? I wonder if the use of a pressure cooker used more often these days is why it's not favored. Anyhow have a good day sir.

[@AaronAlso]

@@TheTubejunky Well, boil is to get the right water content in the grains. Im told it can take up to 5 days at room temp for whole corn kernels to reach full hydration. The boil can bring this down to an hour. Commercial Mushroom farms dont use PCs at least not for grain spawn/bulk sub. They use industrial steam pasturization units. Pasturization is preferred, if you have the time. Because, the mycelium are a symbiotic species and thrive best when certain other benificial bacteria are present. One of the key steps to getting clean pasturization runs of grain spawn is to soak first. Because, atmospheric pressure affects boiling point and some grains are more clean than others, the soak and boil method was developed to standardize that 60min@15psi will yield the desired result.

[@geeguh6638]

@@AaronAlso so are you saying to soak or not to? Are you talking about the soaking overnight vs boiling, which is preferred ?

[@AaronAlso]

@@geeguh6638 It really isnt critical to soak first. You can just boil/ half cook and sterilze the shit out of it @15psi (250F) for 3 hrs at most, ever. As long as the moisture in the spawn is right, and the PC doesnt run dry. The grain spawn you choose makes a difference. Anything intended for human comsumption is usually UV sterlized in the packaging. Grains meant for livestock are not and require deeper more thurough sterilzation. It is generally considered better to pasturize bulk sub @170 for at least 2 hrs. Allowing some of the beneficial symbiotic organzisms a chance to coexist. This is where soaking is more important.

[@sagecook3376]

You can also use your boiled grain water as LC broth.

[@MrCthulhuisback]

Would you have a recipe that uses the water in an LC broth dear sir ?

[@Halorocks0112]

lc broth and sugar water

[@Ralph_Sandwich]

Dude that opening video has me crying laughing at 8:52 am

[@chrisjarvis3509]

Been doing WBS tech now for a few months and lov it can't wait to see if there a difference in the way it's done Thank You

[@bybelenos]

Opening clip - Straya! You are my hero PGT, as generous as mycelium with your knowledge and skills. Thank you.

[@bobbyking7752]

PGT is the man. Keeps it 100

[@benayliffe5662]

That's how we roll in Aus in spring when they have baby's be careful they will fuck you up people have lost eyes and all sorts🤣🤣🤣

[@kevinmccray8351]

Looking forward to it PGT Sensei. Us real humans like your vids. We won't let the KZbin bots take you down!

[@Greenthumbdave]

Can you do this as a steam bath as well without having to pressure cook?

[@caseypalmateer4515]

I am growing some oyster mushrooms again, and your videos are what I go to if my notes confuse me. Thank you, I truly appreciate your efforts.

[@randomstuffwithporgy3879]

You had me with the intro. Not only was this whole video informative but very entertaining.

[@oventoasted2]

Tried your bird seed TEK and the results are amazing compared to oats! Inoculated May 8th and the spawn jar is ~50% colonized already! Thank you for your awesome videos!

[@UhuYoohoo]

Hey PGT awesome videos i love how clear and to the point they all are! I was recently looking for your video on harvesting and flushing but i can't seem to find it. Was it taken down?

[@mikehoncho2149]

Cant wait, thanks for the amazing videos!

[@dohthdo57]

Wats up Mr Philly. Another good video my friend. If anyone’s reading this spend the money and get the lids used in this video. It makes an already monotonous and tedious task a lot more bearable. An Herb drying rack works great for steam drying I also use fans to speed things up.

[@binanceusa9050]

Dude keeping the sunflower seeds in is a for sure way to get contamination.

[@2000sativa]

Never had an issue

[@AviatorDave]

I've done both methods of hydrating the WBS and I wasn't totally happy with the results until the instant pot method. Perfection with the perfect moisture content without any spilt grains. I use a window screen with a fan to remove all the surface moisture from the WBS. I do enjoy your video's.

[@donnyjuan7532]

can you elaborate a little more please how did you use the insant pot to achieve perfect moisture content/?

[@AviatorDave]

@@donnyjuan7532I start the process of really cleaning the WBS and adding one tbsp of gypsum with hot tap water to the instant pot too just above the seeds. My instant pot has three levels of Keep Warm and any setting will work for this process. Because you are checking the al dente, mouth feel of the grains. You don't want the WPS to be too hard when you bite into the seeds or you don't want mush either. After practice you will find the perfect point in stopping the cooking process. (just like making pasta) I have a window screen frame that I made to support the weight of the wet seeds and I have it elevated just enought (2 inches) so that a 24 inch box fan will circulate the air above and below the seeds, and I keep the fan on it's lowest setting and rotate the screen (front to back) every few minutes to ensure that all the seeds surface is being dried. When I can pick up a hand full of seeds and they don't stick to my hand when I released them, then it's time to place in your jars. I prefer the pint size, because the mycelium will fully colorize before the top layer of seeds in the jar will dry out.

[@donnyjuan7532]

@@AviatorDave Thank you very much good Sir! I will definitely be trying your specific method next time around! It doesnt really seem to have hindered the process but when I boiled my WBS too many grains had burst it was just sticky and made me think the seed was still wet after a full day of drying with a box fan. BTW soon I will be experimenting with electirical apparatus to stimulate mycelial growth based on an episode of japanology on mushrooms that i had seen just figured i would mention if you might be interested in checking it out.. Thank you again for responding!

[@jennak.8541]

I know this is from 3 years ago but I figured there's still a chance you could answer. But do you add one tablespoon of gypsum no matter how much WBS you put in the instant pot? And you didn't say what setting of keep warm that you use. I know you said you could use any one but just curious which one that you use?

[@AviatorDave]

@@jennak.8541 Time does fly by; it feels like yesterday that I was using the instant pot to process the WBS. I did use a tablespoon of gypsum, and it was the lowest setting for keep warm function to bring the WBS to perfect moisture content. I loved the results of using the instant pot, but the con was that it took too much time to complete the whole process, so I turned to during the Mossy Creek Mushrooms (Quick Tips: Grain Spawn Too Wet) trek which gives the same results. If you use Mason jars for sterilization of the grain don't let the straw pellets touch the glass during the cooking process, (I use chopsticks to place the pellets about a half inch from the bottom of the jar and in the middle of the grain). I shake the jars as soon as the as soon as its sterilization process has been completed. I shake the jars about every 30 minutes until the straw has dispersed throughout the container to my liking. I'm sorry for taken so long to reply but I've been overseas taken care of my home in Japan and the duck farm in the Philippines. I promise to be more responsive in the future.

[@Smugmotion]

Intro was lit 🔥🔥 you explain the process very well without over talking. I made perfect Agar dishes. You the GOAT

[@jamestavernier6182]

Thank you, PGT! I was looking forward to this one. 👍🏻

[@WS-uo3ei]

What size container can a quart jar spawn? I use 6 qt bins and half pint jars because I only have a small PC

[@TekedixXx]

It's crazy that sunflower seeds don't cause you problems. I used to grow sunflower micro greens and they would get mold on them was more often than other verities.

[@jakelooter5139]

the PC is sterilizing pretty thoroughly

[@my_screenname007]

Haha I was just at tractor supply and thought hmmm wonder if it's possible an check out the algorithm, nice

[@alphakennybuddy264]

I recommened this tek, i tried the no soak / simmer tek and my grains (WBS) were sticky and bursted. I'm following this

[@dinentionalglassproduction9220]

I cannot believe I stumbled across such an incredible channel

[@jakelooter5139]

well believe it motherfucker...

[@smittywaves5147]

Thank you Sensei 🙏🏾

[@zach.a6303]

Window screen is really creative!

[@NugZRx]

About how long do you let the jars cool down after the pressure cooking? Also where do you place them to cool or do you keep them in the pressure cooker? Would inoculating the jars while they are still warm be a problem? Sorry the flood of questions... Love and appreciate all you do, great work all around, a great sensi, indeed! 🙏🤓💜

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

You want them cooled to room temperature before innoculating. I just leave them on the stove with the heat off to cool. Once the PC is depressurized I'll take them out, tighten the lid and shake them up and leave it like that til ready to use.

[@NugZRx]

@@PhillyGoldenTeacher Thank you! You're awesome!! Mush

[@ezekielbarrera5384]

Videos keep getting better! Keep it up 👍

[@radrocknroll1]

Hello! So quick clarification. I'm probably reading into it a bit much, but felt a little ambiguous in my head. So either way you're going to soak them for the 8ish hours. After that, your boiling wasn't really necessary, right? It was strictly to get them hot to assist with the drying process? So I take it you aren't worried about overhydrating them? I'm planning to move on to WBS instead of always buying pre made grain and want to make sure I'm starting out right. Great videos!

[@hyrogliph9228]

I keep coming back to this video for the intro, it cracks me up everytime

[@reaper1851]

Hey ! Thanks for this vidéo as always. Just a question 😊 Could i do the same thing with popcorn ? After soaking the popcorn for about 24 hours, how long should i simmer it ?

[@clarksglassworks4042]

Thanks for this. Theres a ton of "teks" for WBS this was the most straight forward

[@shellz150]

🐦 🦅 tek awesome!!!!! Love your vids brother!! 🍄

[@pyrofox1461]

yo pgt, i just got trich on my first tub :( and my backup jar was g2g from the one i spawned so i think that one is gone too. should i try to make some agar and then throw it in new grain and g2g thoose? just want to know if a2g is safe because alongside with my depression its been really rough and i thought the grow will give me some hope; anyways thank you for the videos and keep up man

[@LD-se8nz]

Hey, how long should I steam my WBS jars for? Would it still be 90 minutes even if I dont have a pressure cooker? OR should I steam the jars a bit longer? Thanks for the video!

[@frankgately518]

PGT, I've been reading and watching lots about mycology, and you're hands down the best. The only thing to make it perfect? More old-school transition music! 😅

[@andressalinas6324]

Do a spore swab tek because I don’t understand how people do it especially on strains that you need to do that with like APE

[@PeterHollingshead]

usually, you swab onto agar.

[@jeffhagel3970]

@@PeterHollingshead how many agar dishes can you do with one swab?

[@fungdark8270]

Why not just clone tissue to LC? *or agar

[@poodytanx8611]

only ever used wbs. I never get twice the amount though with them. usually just a little more than i put in. it still colonizes fine albeit a bit slowly.

[@gonelooney5698]

try cheese cloth over cooling racks or any size screen

[@petebruno7846]

I keep seeing and reading conflicting things. Some people say only simmer on stove top and others say boil.. I am unsure which to do now lol.

[@guaromiami]

I haven't been able to find the video where you show the boil method. Could you please share the link? Thanks!

[@thundergun15]

So the unmodded lid tek you just tighten the jar then slightly loosen the jar lid for FAE ?

[@xCombixGirlx]

Could these be stored for say a week before inoculating?

[@Mushmammy]

I have an old bag of birdseed, but it has added nutritions. I wonder if that would work. 🤔

[@jarredharvey1]

When boiling the grains, do you bring to a boil, or do you add the grains to an already boiling pot?

[@masontroglen3413]

Ive used wbs with cracked corn on it and it worked. It sucks though. It turns into a starchy mess and tends to.clump up n all .. I try to get it without. Also sunflower seeds wont hurt obviously get floaters out.. Itll.colonize fine on sunflower seeds as well

[@squirlmy]

I've been reading old forums and some sites insusting that sunfliwer seeds will cause contamination, but this makes no sense. If you are pressure cooking them into sterility with everything else, where is the contamination supposed to be coming from? I think this might be "bro science". Sounds plausible, so hobbyist don't put it to the test. If its not true, a whole lot of people are wasting a whole lot of time, because they read it on the interwebs.

[@SupportClown]

WBS is my fav substrate to grow with as well!

[@ralphmalph6824]

Looks like soaking separates the sunflowers....floaters. Yeah I like sunflower seeds. Thank you

[@Delahoya_]

How large are the ball Maison Jar glasses that you normally use?

[@nickgoldyscreams]

I had some green in a tub, now everything seems fine with some fatbois. Can you do a video on warning signs? like on the fruit bodies themselves. (if there are enough)

[@jamya372]

First timer here. Can you grow golden teacher spores on birdseed as I’ve read that some spores grow on different surfaces

[@jamya372]

And also is this a cake? I’ve heard of so do I have to add this to the soiley stuff?? After the mycelium has grown or does the entire grow take place on the bird seed?

[@slink1957]

the expression on the bird's face says it all...

[@mikehoncho2149]

Some wise words

[@Dauphinthegreat]

This outta be good.

[@epicfailguy2]

I love your thumbnail dude

[@lylmeep4910]

5:57 as soon as it cut i started lmfao i love it

[@williamwhitaker1868]

Works great, after 3 days I've got great micelium growth already, thanks Sifu

[@CG-sv2nw]

If you're going to boil the grains anyway at the end for 5 minutes why not just boil them for the half an hour and skip soak? Is there an advantage to the Soaking method over boiling?

[@masontroglen3413]

Soaking is for germinating hardy endospores. That way when you PC it kills the spores better. I know its tried and true. All though there's alot of diff ways to do wbs.. Some dont soak.at all and still works.. I go with soaking

[@mrrude1391]

Fantastic video and great information

[@barisbilinc]

Dear Sensei, is it possible to grow morel mushrooms indoor with any of the methods that you explain in your videos?

[@cocomelonhamburger5128]

morel mushrooms cannot be grown indoors but they can be cultivated outdoors with grain spawn

[@karloskardenas2414]

Great video brother! Thank you🙏🏻

[@mooshi12344]

the inside of my jars were wet af after pressure cooking them. they were hella dry before putting it in the canner. is that normal

[@TheRealmetal666]

Where is your video o using the pressure cooker I'm pretty sure I have the same one and am nervous about using it lol

[@Eddielongan]

Just watched the brown rice tek , didn't see you mention drying the rice unless I missed it, I assume you let the rice dry ?? I've never tried growing mushrooms but studying up.

[@boarderx949]

I found what it looks like is some pieces of concrete mixed in the birdseed. Wonder how that does for their stomachs! Thanks Lowe’s!

[@jakelooter5139]

that is just extra calcium embrace the supplementation....

[@asshoub]

Great video. I have a question regarding wild bird seeds. In my local stores they all come with bird vitamins colored orange yellow. Are they okay to use

[@djwaters22]

No gypsum added?

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

gypsum not needed

[@joeyfarley9916]

I am using this too, its cheap, I am a total newb and I am trying my best not to get contamination.

[@armandocastaneda9302]

Besides the economic advantage between different teks for where the mycelium will colonize.. does it make a difference in the yeilds, or colonization time, etc? This tek seems like more work in comparison to the brown rice, so what are the benefits? Thanks for the content bro!

[@lynnsmith2936]

@mycojims on IG recommended and guided me for my microdosing journey hit them up they also ship and grow shrooms and all psychedelics products.

[@Jaydenwhip]

He said this leads to quicker colonisation

[@wendyclairmont4410]

Hi...love your channel!!! First time doing soak and 5 min boil...any concern with th little amount of sand/ dirt left in birdseed? Used to do 3-5 min boil x 3 with lots of rinsing..too much time! Thanks for all u do!!!

[@PhillyGoldenTeacher]

Thank you so much for being here! 🙏

[@JuliusKhoo]

What happens if the grains aren't dry enough before pressure cooking? And forums talk constantly about "burst grains," why are they bad? They also talk about removing sunflower seeds etc. but tbh seems like an echo chamber.

[@numapompilius4550]

Anybody ever try teff or quinoa? If the primary value of millet is its small size then teff should theoretically be great. Also do the different nutritional compositions of the grains lead to different expressions of potency?

[@curtislowe1373]

Turns to slime.

[@whodidit99]

Should there be an injection port and filter on the lid?

[@mikebertrand6815]

When soaking the birdseed. Do you start off with warm water hot water or cold?

[@CheifinKeif]

cant wait! im almost out of my 50lb grain bag!

[@CheifinKeif]

i went to tractor supply and got some lol

[@CheifinKeif]

think im gonna boil it and let it dry since he soaks overnight, boils and drys anyways thank u sensei!

[@anthonyr4686]

@phillygoldenteacher do I need to double sterilization time if I'm using a canner not a pressure cooker?? Thanks for all you do for the 🍄 community 🍄💜🙏🏜

[@tinonie100]

With the fan aren’t you worried about contamination?

[@britanyspears4746]

So boil 30 minutes from the time you put them in the pot or 30 minutes once it starts to boil?

[@naftalibendavid]

90 at 15. Let it cool on its own. Shake. Inoculate.

[@jarredharvey1]

And I bought the pressure cooker through your link, hope you got the commission 😎

[@carlogarcia8772]

After inoculation do you still keep using the same lids? I notice they are just plain lids with no air filter