No, The 2020 Jeep Wrangler Does NOT Suck On The Road, And Here's Why!

[@spencercubage4892]

Great show, guys ! I bought a brand new 2020 Rubicon in June of 2020. It has the 2.o Turbo and the sliding soft top. After more that 45K miles, this car is still incredible. Love the 2.0 Turbo. Gets good gas mileage and has plenty of torque. We have cabin near Creede, Co. Been on at least a half a dozen jeep trails (passes) over the past 3 summers. No issues. Also, we drive from Texas to Creede in the Jeep. Not as quiet as my BMW, but it is fine for highway cruising at 70-80 mph. Of course, the reward is arriving in the mountains and going just about anywhere you want!

[@chriscon8463]

$64K is rough. I got my ‘18 JLU last July: hard top, standard trans, limited slip diff & AT tires. Black steel wheels & roll-up windows. Got it for $31K; I thought that was reasonable. I love it!

[@tallll70]

It is rough, but nobody has to option it that way, it can be equipped like JK much cheaper. I get people don't believe the electronic and other options are worth 30k, but most including me have no idea if it is justified. At least JL for 30k is better made with stronger parts then before

[@TheScoobysnack08]

Yeah how many miles?

[@ultimatesteve]

someone would have to really show me why thats 60k. keep all the luxury interior stuff, you can get that stuff on a 30k car. where is the next 30 grand going? i really want a wrangler or gladiator, but its going to be a willys sport at most.

[@gregshuttleworth4465]

64000....I will take a used 2013 Chevy crew cab 4x4......

[@IndianMC-jf3cp]

$31k?...cmon. that must be a stripped down sport with 90k miles on it.

[@mcscotty325]

2 door Wrangler is one of the best city vehicles. Excellent turning radius and so easy to park.

[@chris1293]

I have a 09’ JKUR and my brother has a 19’ JLUR. Both with 2.5” lift/Fox shocks on Toyo tires. The JL is light years ahead in comfort, drivability, interior space and quietness. At first I wasn’t expecting much but now completely blown away.

[@brianowens1002]

Still not worth the $$$$. I have a JLUS and it’s nice but not priced accordingly.

[@InvertedAerials]

A loaded Diesel Wrangler in Canada is just over $75,000. I can get a 2019 New Raptor for $80,000. Gee what a difficult decision. Lol! I. LOVE the new Wrangler and Gladiator! I want one badly. I believe they are over priced by $15,000 to $20,000.

[@seventries]

Yah, but he has one word for you, "iconic". Anywhere in the world, people will recognize a Jeep and realize that its owner overpaid for it, without a doubt, lol

[@pulkpuller]

they are for sure, the gladiator is cool but has alot of features that are neat but grow old fast! its not as capable as some true trucks preform,.. bought a 2020 sahara unlimited hope its worth it 😬

[@gs98999]

InvertedAerials you can also argue raptor is overpriced too. A loaded one is close to 100k in Canada and still has a terrible interior that is worse than what you can get in a 30k mazda. It’s about perspective. Raptor has a kickass engine and suspension, wrangler is a convertible SUV that can be driven with no doors. It is also quite easy to get close to 10k off of them being that they are an FCA product.

[@danielplainview4778]

The resale prob makes up for it although I’d agree too pricey

[@Paige-hq8ok]

Maybe the diesel is 75k. Here in Manitoba a fully loaded pentastar v6 rubicon is 60k

[@robbinconner9061]

I love my JLU Rubicon, but you will be in for a shock if you think it is like a Range Rover or even Land Cruiser on road (and of course not in the same league as a true luxury car such as a Mercedes S-class etc). It is still *quite* noisy over 70, the voice instructions often tell me to close my window so it can understand what I am saying; at those speeds it wanders disconcertingly until you get used to it, kind of like a boat wandering around its heading ;-) (neither my son nor daughter (in their 20's) like driving it on the highway), and it has all the bounce and jostle you would expect from a tall, live axled vehicle. However, its steering at low speed is accurate, quick and fun (though ultimate handling is of course very limited); its interior very well thought out; and off road it is truly amazing. There it comes into its own in a way hard to describe. It is supple; accurate and spookily competent. It is also fun to drive with the top off in the summer!

[@ultimatesteve]

id expect all that. id welcome it too because it will keep me driving the speed limit on the highways. when i drive cars i tend to speed. when i drive trucks i tend to chill.

[@drizzt94]

You couldn't be more wrong about the 2.0L Turbo. I have 37's on mine and have no power or torque issues. It's still a beast on and off road.

[@Steelviper61]

Yup, I too run 37's on my JL Rubi. No issues with power at all. It scats on the road and is a beast off the road!

[@alterbr33d]

Is it reliable?

[@Steelviper61]

@@alterbr33d Honestly, this is my first Jeep. I have a little over 17K on it and so far so good. It starts up every time and I have had 0 issues with it so far.

[@RicardoRoams]

When I was in the market for a new Jeep last November, I test drove the 4 door Wrangler Rubicon. That was the Jeep I fully intended to buy. But I ended up buying a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk and here's why. The Grand Cherokee was more comfortable. I felt pressed up against the door when driving the Wrangler. The Grand Cherokee was quieter and better insulated against heat and cold. And despite the Wrangler's improved road worthiness, the Grand Cherokee was still better. I knew I was not going to do serious rock crawling. Most of my driving would still be on the highway with occasional ventures into snow country and also more remote camping areas. With the air suspension, my ground clearance was about the same as the Wrangler. And all I have to do to let in the great outdoors is push a button on my sun roof. I still love the Wrangler but I opted for the 5.7 Hemi V8 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. So far, no regrets.

[@123brendan100]

Thay are different types of vehicles all together tho haha awsome choice tho

[@jackrotter9434]

If I can daily drive a '98 wrangler from Denver to Fort Collins (no a/c and a bluetooth portable speaker as my stereo) I'm sure the rest of the world will make do with this new wrangler ;) but that is the beauty of jeeps, it's a big lego. You can buy the cheap one with role up windows and a soft top, and over time build it up to exactly what you want, now I have a great sound system and new suspension soon. I'd rather sacrifice a little on road comfort for the capability for it to take me anywhere, the little TJ has given us too many great memories to even consider wanting anything else.

[@kirkyoung6962]

$64,000, jeep must be smoking meth 😂😂😆

[@christiangarcia9307]

😂😄

[@mattbrew11]

I’m gonna get a Diesel Rubicon Gladiator with black fenders & hard top, LEDS, cold weather group and the aux switches for around $47k+ TTYL or probably less with all the China virus shit. It’ll be my last internal combustion vehicle and I’m stoked about that

[@kirkyoung6962]

Smarter Than You did you order it from the manufacture? That way you’re able to get it below MSRP

[@mattbrew11]

Captain K it’s not available for order yet but I have a standing agreement with my dealer for 16% off MSRP. You can’t order straight from Jeep I did the solar project for the dealer in question so I get whatever vehicles I want for life from them for actual cost because they’re saving 100s of thousands of dollars on their electricity over time

[@abbyj3281]

LMAOOO

[@daylearceneaux4083]

Hope the Bronco makes Jeep drop the prices.

[@ggolds5]

The Bronco is once again for the fourth time, delayed due to issues with the hard top now. If it ever comes out and people actually get theirs, hopefully first year reliability won't prove atrocious. My 11 Jeeps in my lifetime have always been reliable. AND, yes the steering issue is fixed and has been for a while.

[@bjornironsides6474]

@@ggolds5 Nothing against Jeep, but you had 11? lol You shouldn't have issues with that much trading up.

[@ggolds5]

@@bjornironsides6474 That is partly true. I trade every 2-3 years. From highest mileage of 57,000 to lowest 34,000. However, if something is going to go wrong you can bet it will happen in the first 24-50K miles. Personally, I don't care what the vehicle is, once the bumper to bumper warranty is done, it's all a crap shoot.

[@raiden000]

@@ggolds5 That is a hefty dose of optimism lol, there are plenty of problems that pop up at all mileage ranges, the higher you go, the more concentrated they become. Thats just a fact of life thing, not unique to jeeps at all. You could take that logic all the way down past even living things to rocks themselves, imagine sitting there, your a rock, every year that passes theres a chance a bigger rock is gonna fall on you and break you in half, it may take 10 years or 10,000, but eventually you will be broken in half lol. I think betting on any given problem happening to a car in the first 50k miles is a horrible bet, id take you up on that all the way to the bank lol.

[@IndianMC-jf3cp]

Broncos are selling for $20k -40k over Msrp and still can't beat a Jeep offroad. And the build quality on the Bronco has been documented to be poor.. My guess is we won't see incentives on the Bronco for a long time.

[@bwarren228]

TFL: Let’s release a video on April Fools Day telling people that Wranglers are amazing to drive on the street!

[@neilmurphy845]

They got me good I thought they were being serious

Why would you want to do that? You like dealing with whiners who cry over dust in their hairdo and getting a tiny scratch on their little finger that makes them gripe and complain, then you go for it. I like toughing it as much as I can handle, when I'm done I back out without sniveling about it. I don't have the cash to trash my things so I do take it easier than some of these hard core rock crawlers but I go where I choose and I don't snivel about the rest.

[@seruresto1386]

@ Because they do suck on the street, Billy Badass. They are slow, handle poorly and generally feel like driving a bathtub compared to even a modest car. And chief, you live in the Western world and can afford a Wrangler. Ain't a damn thing "tough" about your life or you. Go live in the damn Amazon Rainforest or mountains in Afghanistan, then your ass can talk about roughing it and being more than a desk jockey wannabe or blue collar bumpkin who thinks because he does some manual labor he's a hardass. Sad!

[@noahbonell4301]

@@seruresto1386 Its meant to be like that bad gas mileage because it's a box

[@noahbonell4301]

It's also mainly meant for off-roading but it's good in some situations on the road that's why it's slow

[@timothylikes782]

Love my '06 TJ Rubicon 4.0 inline 6 with less than 100k miles. I'm set for life! No need for a soccer mom/ Family modified Wrangler for over $60,000!

[@robertallen6710]

12' Wrangler Sport 2 door...paid off years ago...50,000 miles...

[@problu9586]

Totally agree with Tommy's driving comfort observations. Been driving my 2020 2-door Wrangler Rubicon with all the available bells & whistles since October 2019 (~$48k). Overall, pleased with its performance both off road and on road. Only 2 detractors would be steering pulls slightly to the side at freeway speeds and ACC hits the brakes when a vehicle in front takes an off ramp when I'm going straight.

[@johnnyk617]

I suspect when the bronco orders start filling it will help drive the cost if the Jeep down to be more competitive

[@graemelliott3942]

I love my JK with the boring V6🏁 I paid $32K back 2014. Still going strong with 100K miles on it.

[@Eddy-09]

Has the v6 improved at all for the JL since 2014?

[@MrMud900]

Got a 13 Rubi with 140k miles no issue's just normal wear stuff.

[@jaydeepark2851]

The year-round April Fools joke: $64,000 for a Wrangler.

[@zelenizub2036]

Joke that never stops to deliver.

[@brandonzimmerman1667]

What's even funnier is you can spec it out, without having it cost 64k

[@brandonzimmerman1667]

@@shitloveaduck I am excited to see what the new Bronco has in store. Canadian prices are outrageous. A basic Wrangler with nothing in it in the states starts at 27k with just the 2 door.

[@dillonh321]

@@shitloveaduck The Wrangler spec the way I want it is at 37k on dealer lots. MSRP is like 43k. (USD)

[@lpmoora]

Dillon H my dream wrangler is around the same price. Wrangler sport altitude with the advanced safety group (radar cruise control I’m spoiled now) for 37k. Of course, that’s msrp, so I’m sure Jeep dealers may not even have these relatively base models. Even then, it’s probably marked up I would imagine

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

That is a super loud diesel? My old 7.3L Powerstroke says " Hold my beer."

[@Blakefan2520]

I just bought a 2021 Wrangler Unlimited Willys model. I am 6 feet tall. I think the jeep seats are very comfortable. You want to feel uncomfortable seats, try the seats on a Tacoma which I just traded for the Wrangler.

[@jkk58]

After having a 3.6L JK, I went to the 2L turbo and have not missed the 3.6. I agree the throttle response takes getting use to, but I enjoy how quick it is in comparison and I've had no trouble with my JL Rubicon.

[@Eddy-09]

How has the 2.0T treated you these 6 months since you posted this comment? Any complaints or issues at all?

[@jkk58]

@@Eddy-09 Hi Eddy09, no complaints here. I still am very happy with the powertrain and Jeep overall. It's mainly a weekend vehicle and therefore doesn't have a ton of miles.

[@bradlindeman7417]

We had a 2.0 L L also, and it was a beast! Loved it.

[@bigt4135]

I have a 2 door, manual, rubicon, jl. I love it.

[@ABSVabeautifulsunsetvlog]

So here’s the thing...if you’re coming from an older model wrangler then yes the newer jeeps are more comfortable. And if you are the kind of person who isn’t going to use this as your sole daily driver and you only plan on going on weekend excursions and/or off-road trips then you may not have a problem with driving one of these and you will probably overlook its obvious shortcomings (especially any trim level that isn’t the rubicon). But if you’re coming from a traditional suv or crossover or even car and expect the same level of creature comforts or the same degree of driver control then you will be sorely disappointed and you will quickly find out that the naysayers are 100% correct in their assertion that this isn’t a daily driver type automobile. First off, Jeep (mopar, Chrysler, fiat Corp, whomever runs the show) nickels and dimes the heck out of these. On the lower trim jeeps (the 40k variety) you don’t get anything, and I mean anything. Power windows don’t come standard, and forget about any type of safety features (blind spot detection, rear camera, etc...). I was so disappointed to know that features which come standard on even the most basic 15k automobile are all extra on the wranglers. I was also taken aback by the driving feel of these when put on the freeway. You have to keep both hands on the wheels because there is so much play in the steering that you literally sway from side to side if you try to drive with one hand over 60 mph. So that quickness that the guys mentioned is really only applicable at low/medium speeds or when off-roading. So if you’re a moderately wealthy person who has money to burn then the rubicon is definitely the way to go. Other than that I don’t think any of them are worth what they cost because the compromises are too many. Do these have the cool factor? Absolutely. And maybe one day I’ll have an extra 65k to blow on one. But until then I’ll stick to less expensive, more dependable and more comfortable crossovers and SUV’s. (Oh and the fact that the younger guy keeps mentioning the RAV4 (the car that is literally half or two thirds the price of this one speaks volumes, and I don’t even agree that it’s more comfortable than the RAV).

[@johngrodski4158]

I have a Rubicon JL and love it. I like your honest review. I do have the 6 speed manual and wouldnt look back EVEN with the recalls because I'm getting a free clutch replacement at 26,000 miles!

[@TucsonDude]

Dang...ride the clutch much??

[@123brendan100]

​@TucsonDude if it's free you gotta

[@bigjay1970]

64 smackers! In about a week with another stockmarket plunge like today, who's paying 64K for that? Not many!

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

The dealership in Idaho sells them a lot cheaper.

[@michaelr6901]

Rich Farfugnuven $47K last I saw

[@nathankestin1922]

HEY TFL! Here's a suggestion: Buy a base model Wrangler Sport 4-door (4-door is probably sold more than the 2-doors) with the v6 preferably as a long-term tester, and just upgrade the tires! Then make videos showing that you can go almost anywhere off road and still have a good daily vehicle! Sounds like an interesting series to me🤔

[@JonBecker81]

Yeah or buy a base model and get aftermarket lockers, suspension, wheels and tires and put it up against the $64k one.

[@jackrotter9434]

Yes do this!

[@hg7240]

Since I'm a guy who notices small details, I like your new into-very slick especially the last few seconds. And that brings me to my next compliment- your into lasted but a mere few seconds then you got right into business. I can't understand why some folks think we need a 2 minute into every time. Nice job guys. cheers

[@willrector9716]

Just yesterday I traded my highly modified 2017 recon wrangler for a 2021 diesel just like that...... it is night and day better... i don't even want to ride in a jk anymore lol! Steering on the new one is soooo good... can't belive you guys complain? I'm in love with that diesel though... i can finally drive a jeep without white knuckles... love it

[@joshleal9811]

No matter what people think.. I love jeeps.. they are just the best.. .. .

[@robertallen6710]

Only peeps I ever run into are all over my JK with compliments...

[@danielbarras3200]

YES....

[@LukeEdward]

I’ve had Wranglers from ‘89 YJ’s, and up. My JL is LIGHT YEARS ahead of any/all of them. Even a JK, and ALL of them 2-door. I did NOT get a very expensive one.

[@melvin5818]

I only had one jeep and that is the JLUS and it's great a little rougher then a lot of cuv that I have driven. That steering has a small dead spot. Body roll is not so bad I was expecting worse. The seat is perfect I am 5"11.

[@jason7231]

Love the channel. But bring Nathan back for more reviews!

[@samjohnson9894]

YEAH!! And Chad too!

[@willannunziato]

It’s crazy they did that convertible electronic roof again after it failed in the Jeep Liberty 08-12 Skyslider and they don’t even make parts for that anymore and pretty much they all failed

[@elnatani6059]

Hi, guys. Enjoy your videos about all types of suv’s and trucks. This question is for Tommy - What is 4:1 Rock-Trac® Heavy-Duty Full-Time 4WD System?? It is being offered as an upgrade and I’m about to order my first Jeep rubicon and don’t know if it is necessary. Because if it is, I would get it.

[@vigilantemotors]

How is that RUBI treating you?

[@tunesoulsata9251]

I actually think the seats in my JLUR are very comfortable. 👍🏼

[@ggolds5]

Very much so!!. Love mine.

[@IndianMC-jf3cp]

Me too. Not sure what they are comparing to.

[@mikec5820]

I agree with the lack of rearward seat travel. It needs another 4 inches of legroom. People will be taking this rig on extended drives, got to be comfortable

[@TomReinerDE]

Wouldn‘t the Sahara be the right model for that use case?

[@angelc7984]

I’ve got a question, how’s the compartment hold the heat inside in the winter and the cold in the summer? Does it seal it in good or does it escape easily?

[@BikeHikeLikeMike]

No issues whatsoever. I have the hardtop 2020 Jeep Rubi.

[@ebels3]

But can you hose out the interior like you could on the old wranglers?

[@BikeHikeLikeMike]

Yes.

[@markclaypole1573]

The thousands of complaints on the NHTSA about wandering, loose and dangerous steering with no fix in sight would beg to differ.

[@dionysus2006]

A heated steering wheel is great but does it ride rough and have a lot of wind and road noise ?

[@allenx71]

Got a 2020 bikini pearl JL Rubicon. I daily drive it since I got it in late December and I adore it!! I have my hummers but I adore this truck and I would buy a second one. It’s a real off roader not a fake like the Range Rover or even the new G class. But it does need a V8 but it’s definitely not slow.

[@IndianMC-jf3cp]

Bought a JL identical to this one. I love diesel engines and I didn't mind paying extra. So far it's been great! I do alot of basic maintenance myself because it's cheaper and I enjoy it..especially cuz I know I'm doing the job right. No idea about long term reliability but I usually get a new rig every 4-5 years. So for now... having a blast with the top down and eating up the trails. Dont overthink it.. it's what having a Jeep is all about.

[@IndefiniteGentlemen]

having driven fairly new JKs and JLs, and being the owner of a '19 JLU, I can tell you i still experience the beginnings of Death Wobble on certain bumps. There must be a better way to handle that shock with more than a weak shock absorber. Otherwise, love it. It takes me to Moab and back in comfort. And I also paid only about $30k for mine. that's a bargain.

[@johnstutz4458]

64 grand. Absolutely Nope

[@rey4466]

Finally there's something not good to say about the wrangler. TFL the volume goes up and down during the video. In the cab while driving is too low.

[@glenlynch9305]

I have a 2018 with a 3 1/2 lift 35s and it gets up and goes and no problems with it at all

[@christiangarcia9307]

For that price,i prefer just to keep watching your videos. 🙂

[@Takeouts]

or just buy a TJ

[@DarthNero]

Either you guys have jeep bias or you’re doing April fools joke with the “ comfort”. I test drove both the wrangler and G Cherokee right after another and no, the wrangler isn’t close to the G Cherokee in terms of ride quality. The ride quality may have improved from previous gens but it still isn’t comfortable as you made it sound to be. The seats and tech features did improve its interior comfort feel but this is not a vehicle you would be happy driving for hours in on road trip. keep it off-road.

[@jaydeepark2851]

Let's give 'em a break. Their main sponsor is BesTop. If Wranglers don't sell well, BesTop doesn't sell well. If BesTop doesn't make bread, TFL doesn't get bread.

[@SpaceTravel1776]

3:03 "These seats are pretty horrible. I'm sorry, they aren't very comfortable. " You didn't watch the video, so why are you commenting? Bizarre.

[@joeport6823]

If you don't get it you don't. There is no vehicle on the planet that offers everything a Wrangler does!

[@PartTimeArtist]

I really love it on the snow!!! you can see a lot of video my wrangler driven on the snow! it’s amazing and beautiful!!

[@jaybou007]

My 2DR Willys is the greatest vehicle i've owned. Of course, it's bumpy, it drives like a pig compared to "modern" cars and it feels like a brick in the wind. But I'm one of those who are perfectly fine with these seats and I can easily eat up miles and miles in that thing. That Rubicon in the video is one sweet rig. However, i'm very hesitant to go down the diesel route. First, it's an insanely expensive option. Second, maintenance's costs are so much higher. Third, I don't know if it'll be as reliable as that bullet proof Pentastar on the long run. I think that if I end up picking up a diesel, it'll be Chevy's Duramax in a fully loaded ZR2 Bison. Because even if you pack it with options, it's still a bargain compared to any Jeep with an Ecodiesel.

[@MoneyShot_CM]

This has to be an April fool's video....

[@wheezin_mtnbkr3576]

So it is in fact tighter in the driver's seat in the JL compared to the JK?

[@higg2156]

And the Oscar award for best work of automotive fiction goes to the movie: "The Wrangler is Worth 64k" and the best actor award is shared by Tommy and Roman for being able to say "The Wrangler is Worth 64k” with a straight face . The picture also won best automotive comedy.

[@IndianMC-jf3cp]

Please tell me what vehicle can go off road like a stock Rubicon for $60 k? This is a purpose built vehicle. You can buy a equally equipped 4runner for 50k but have to put in another 10k to equal the jeep. And it STILL won't offroad like the JL.

[@zachc1297]

If and when a Jeep wrangler in any setting shows up as a rental for work, and I am driving more than a couple hours ever, it goes right back. Maybe for short trips, but anything more than a short trip on the interstate is a no. Maybe, if you need the capability at your destination sure, but if you dont then no.

[@shuaichen8690]

Get the basic model and upgrade with aftermarket parts

[@montanamountainmen6104]

I bought the Sport S and am doing just that.

[@vvk]

I was a little surprised by the title. But then I remembered that it is April 1st. and suddenly all made sense 😅

[@j.r.777]

I’m getting ready to order a brand new 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon JL that is the 4 door version. I was born and raised in San Diego, California but now live in a very small, rural, agricultural town in North East Colorado, almost at the Colorado/Nebraska border. From the time I was born, my parents and other relatives used to go to the desert and take our dune buggies and other desert toys. We would also go off roading in the East County mountains of San Diego, in the Anza Borrego desert, and in the different desert locations from the East County of San Diego, all the way out to various locations in Arizona. When I was in high school, I bought a 1980 Datsun 4x4 off of one of my youth leaders at the church that I attended. The truck had faded silver paint, burned oil and frequently backfired if I was shifting gears and had the engine rev’d up to high before shifting into another gear. As a result, I was able to buy the truck off of my churches youth group leader for only $500.00. I took that truck everywhere and learned how to off road in it. Later on, in 1997, I bought a brand new 1997 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 extra cab. The truck was just a basic 4x4. It had manual everything, a 2.7 liter I-4 and a 5 speed manual transmission. I would literally take that truck out off roading several times a week, all over Southern California, Arizona, and Nevada. My next Tacoma was a 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road extra cab 4x4. Like my original Tacoma, I set that one up for off roading too. It had a 4.0 liter V-6, a 6 speed manual transmission and a rear locking differential. I had bought it out here in Colorado with the idea in mind of going out off roading in it, in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. However, my kids outgrew the tiny back seat and I was forced to trade it in on a full size truck. It broke my heart trading it in! In fact, If I ever found either Tacoma for sale again and they were my actual trucks that I owned previously, and I was in a financially able position to buy with or both trucks again, I would do so in a heart beat. I had so many wonderful and amazing memories in those trucks, that I would buy them all over again just for sentimental reasons. Now that my kids are all grown and with the exception of 1, out of the house and on their own, I decided it was time to buy another vehicle just for off roading purposes. Initially, I was looking at buying a 2021 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road Pro, that would be a double cab with I think a smaller, 3.6 liter V-6, a 6 speed automatic transmission and rear locking differential on it. Through my research I discovered that the Tacoma’s aren’t really suited properly for the type of off roading that I would want to do in it. You would have to spend crazy money to lift it beyond a 2” leveling kit and would have to do heavy modifications and re-gearing to make it perform even close to a stock Jeep Rubicon. As a result of that, I decided that I would switch directions and go with a brand new 2021 Jeep Rubicon JL. I have the Rubicon built online already but what I keep going back and forth on is what engine to go with. I have always preferred naturally aspirated engines as opposed to one that rely on either a turbo charger, turbo chargers, and/or a super charger. The turbo charged 4 cylinder makes me wonder how it would do long term, considering that it relies on the turbo charger to optimize its increased power across the board. I like the new turbo diesel engine but also wonder how it would do longevity wise, also because it too relies on a turbo charger to help achieve optimum performance. Then if it does start to break down and/or have minor and/or major mechanical issues, I know for a fact that things will be much more expensive to fix. Then there is the hybrid option as well. I think it comes out in either mid to late 2021 or early 2022. But do I also want to risk buying a first year hybrid Jeep Rubicon JL, when there has never been any other kind of them in the past? So the more I think things over, I begin to lean more and more to going with the naturally aspirated V-6 that has a decent, proven reliability track record.

[@BlameTruth]

Reading this comment late, but I just got a 2.0 liter turbo Wrangler and absolutely love it. From what I've seen online used ones are easily surpassing 100k miles with no issues too, so reliability seems to be great on them. Whatever engine you went with I hope you are enjoying it.

[@j.r.777]

@@BlameTruth, I ended up going with the V-6. A buddy has the 2.0 and when we take them out off roading it’s interesting to see how they compare. They’re both real close in performance. I’ve been really happy so far and haven’t had any issues in the 2 1/2 years that I’ve owned my Jeep. A few weeks ago I did Webster’s Pass, Radical Hill and Saints John Trail. Next is going to be Red Elephant Hill and Bill Moore Lake Trail. I’m glad that you’re liking your 2.0. Keep us updated on how it does long term. I’m really curious to see other peoples experiences with them.

[@AccordionJoe1]

I had three Grand Cherokees. Loved the seats and ride and the look but finally gave up and bought a Honda after numerous trips to the dealer to have problems taken care of. And now even the cheapest Jeep models sell for $50,000 and the top of the line Grand Wagoneer comes in near $100,000 when the sales tax is included. Who is foolish enough to pay this kind of money for a vehicle that has always been known as problem ridden?

[@66skate]

I'd pass on the 3.0 and power cloth top and that would make it almost affordable. For me, the Sahara Altitude would probably be the best choice with the 3 piece roof.

[@Eddy-09]

What would be your engine of choice? I was really impressed when I rented a JLU with the 2.0T. But on this video they mentioned they had issues with the 2.0T so it kinda has me second thinking it now..

[@hikerstl]

What exactly do you mean by "High Strung"? in reference to the 2.L Turbo engine?

[@brianowens1002]

It’s always at or near it’s capacity. You don’t want a motor that’s being stressed to perform, you’re asking for longevity issues.

[@archerclarito]

how is the cold on a soft or hardtop roof. does it get in?

[@mmodtomic7119]

We rented a 4 door JL on a recent trip to Puerto Rico and while I would drive No Other vehicle in PR, it otherwise did not impress. My 225K mile 2004 Focus Wagon is WAY more comfortable and practical. That said, almost as soon as we got home we found a nice '06 WK Grand Cherokee Overland to further crowd our driveway!

[@rcsor3]

A 2004 Ford Focus wagan? Geez bro, save some poontang for the rest of us.

[@mmodtomic7119]

@@rcsor3 No way bro. The snaggin wagon doth provide.

[@josephraker9835]

When are you going to do long term on v-6 desiel??

[@54andBored]

I took mine in the snow and ice but seems to be slippery. Seems like the snow and ice gets stuck in between the treads . Seems scary to me

[@alanzolotoff6014]

My buddy put salvaged Hellcat Seats and installed them in his Wrangler. There so Comfy. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@NemeanLion-]

I don’t know if I’m wrong, but I think Jeep said the diesel towing numbers were low because they couldn’t fit the proper cooling system in the JL.

[@tmn8547]

Looking in the market for a jeep. Would drive it daily to commute to work( occasional off roaring). Would a 2 door rubicon be better or a Sahara?

[@IndianMC-jf3cp]

Depends on how often and where you wanna offroad. I think the willys trim is a great balance of on/off road capability.

[@JHuffPhoto]

Listen to all of the rattles as they drive down the road. Shouldn’t be hearing that in a $64k vehicle. And $4k for the diesel option? Well yes it gets about a 30%bump in efficiency but in the US all of that is lost to the fact that Diesel is about 30% more expensive plus the additional maintenance costs. It is an enthusiast vehicle. You really have to want one to justify it. From a logical standpoint it is a terrible value.

[@Michael_ryan91]

Idk my dads yukon denali was 80k and sounds just like that maybe worse and in 5 years his trucks worth 30k max lol jeeps worth 77% so theres still some value there if ur into off roading.

[@neilmurphy845]

Ya I agree and I think it's because fiat could do the suspension side of things

[@steverowe2943]

Agreed! You can even see the vibration of the rear view mirror.

[@neilmurphy845]

@@steverowe2943 ya not even a micra does that

[@neverendingweekend]

@thefastlanecar, is this Jeep the sting grey colour?

[@zackgold2193]

how was it on the passes on i70

[@TucsonDude]

...and in snowy conditions?

[@jkickinutube]

Hmmmmmm , I dont think the new JL has a lower center of gravity , so it would tip oper the same as the older ones?? Cheers! Jon

[@tallll70]

It's ok, If there needs to be cross over ability which includes bigger diameter tires they don't get to choose where will be center of mass. It's not like everyone is tipping the Jeeps on difficult trails. Unimog and G wagen is worse example of skinny and tall. For same reasons i didn't like look of skinny and long Durango in compare to Explorer

[@jwingo7257]

Great father and son team!!!👍🇺🇸

[@dmhibb]

Just picked up my 2023 Jeep 4xe Sahara with the one touch roof.

[@MegaGeorge1948]

The 29 MPG diesel economy will be offset by having to buy DEF @ $7.99/gallon, higher fuel prices (almost $4.00/gallon) compared to 87 octane gas, and a big reliability question on an untested (Italian engine?). Oh, did I mention the higher price just to buy this Diesel power?

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

In Az and Nm you can register your Mahindra Roxor to drive on most streets, just not highways. Might be a better deal. I am hoping CO follows suit.

[@manuelhiguera5494]

Can Tommy ever say anything bad about the wrangler!?

[@manuelhiguera5494]

T L I absolutely agree but isn’t that the reason why he shouldn’t be the one reviewing the wrangler in a comparison video? I like wranglers but I can see where there are flaws.

[@pattycarljackson]

I love the wrangler even the older ones especially the yj even though people will say it’s not a wrangler because of the square headlights but I love it.

[@BigWheelFab]

Does it have A/C seats

[@Chickendude44]

Roger Wheeler nope

[@BigWheelFab]

Kyle Brown that’s how much I paid for my wife’s GMC Yukon Denali.

[@davidhildreth-farnsworth-s3657]

in UK we only get 2.0 petrol or 2.2 diesel. Soft bumpers - no option of hard/ winch mount no option of 3.0 diesel wonder if we will ever get a Gladiator?. Looked at importing personal - literally would involve rebuilding as most things need to be replaced with EU/UK approved parts ie a full UK vehicle. Suzuki Jimney discontinued so only options are to take old jeep or Defender & retrofit all the good parts which will then push insurance through the roof or by a totally overpriced new Land Rover

[@brianaustin1328]

The best spec for the money is the Willys Sport, soft top, manual transmission. 4-door $32,538. 2-door $29,167.

[@tylermcmillan9926]

Brian Austin you don’t get the nice navigation heated steering wheel or seats , leather or the good sound system and it looks like bag of dicks

[@15jwrangler]

Then don’t buy one for 64k. Jeep must be smoking something though, for their prices.

[@billredding2000]

For me, I think a Chevy Colorado ZR2 would do almost as much as the Wrangler Rubicon can do but at a better "value-for-your-buck" ratio. And it probably has a better windshield defroster and more comfortable seats! ;-) In a year or so, I'll be looking at the 2021 ZR2s...or maybe wait a bit longer and factory-order a 2022 model -- to NOT get "packages" I don't want and a color I DO want vs. trying to find that on a truck a dealer already has on its lot. The Bison ZR2 is nice, and would like to have the Boron skid plates & winch-ready AEV front bumper, but I don't need the $$$$ Bison/AEV truck-bed roll-bar/lights assembly as I want a tonneau cover and bed-rack for a rooftop tent. -- BR ETA: I certainly get the "Jeep being iconic" thing, but for me that's not enough for me to buy one if it comes up short in some other area I need addressed.

[@15jwrangler]

But if you want that open air experience, nothing like taking the top and doors off. I regret everyday getting rid of my Tj wrangler.

[@tallll70]

@@billredding2000 I really like the looks and equipment of ZR2s, but it's still truck while Rubicon is in 4x4 recreational only focused territory with wheels closer to ends and removable doors and roof. ZR2s are excellent Tacoma rivals

[@billredding2000]

@@tallll70 The reason the ZR2 is on my Short List (Chevy Colorado ZR2, Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, Ford Ranger w/ FX4 & Towing packages) is because I'm looking for a Daily Driver replacement in a year's time -- so it needs to be decent on the road but also able to handle "intermediate" off-roading (the many mountain passes up in Colorado, but NOT the toughest ones, OR the Rubicon Trail -- won't be doing those), PLUS -- as I will be back in CO by then -- do well in Winter/snow conditions on pavement & off. If Ford made an equivalent to the ZR2 NOW (meaning a Ranger with a lift & locking front axle mainly, for for 2021 or MAYBE 2022) I'd likely go Ford but they DON'T have anything out now to equal the ZR2, so no mid-sized truck "challenger" exists yet (no, do not want a Jeep Gladiator, mainly due to price, but other reasons, too). If Ford DOES bring the Ranger Raptor in 2022, it may be wider and/or longer than the ZR2 (not good for trails or gettign into a small garage), might cost too much, AND because it'll be a "first year model" here in America it may have bugs needing fixing. But still, if it's basically a "Ford ZR2" then I'd probably go for it over the Chevy ZR2. If I end up buying a 2021 vehicle, however, then it's likely by default I'll go with the ZR2. Will wait and see what all three auto makers come out with then... -- BR

[@spelisha]

I love your videos and your channel - but I must say, it can not be ignored that a family vehicle used ON road so much does not have rear curtain airbags, nevermind the flipping - and the restraint systems in the rear are also below subpar, there is a reason eurocap gave it 1 out of 5 stars. I think THIS point should be discussed thoroughly on the channel and all these channels, not avoided. I was waiting to pull the trigger on one as opposed to modifying my 5th gen 4runner, have something better off off road from the stock form, but the safety elements are not ignorable. Would be great if a follow-up video discussing Wrangler safety could be made!

[@gs98999]

IIHS tested it recently and it gets a poor rating because it tips over in the small overlap test. Rest of the tests it does well. However I suggest you look at the pics of the wrangler and 4Runner after the Small overlap test. I found them shocking how Poorly the 4Runner does. It’s actually scary. Wrangler does much much better in keeping the passenger cabin from crushing the driver legs vs the 4R.

[@spelisha]

@@gs98999 I agree about the overlap, but the 4runner still oesn't roll over (after multiple trials), and your back seat occupants won't get their heads smashed in from the side. I encourage you to watch the footage of what happens in the back seat next to any 4th or 5th gen 4runnet and this latest Jeep. This is why in huge part it got 1 out of 5 stars in the eurocap test. If you have backseat passengers, kids, not having those side curtain airbags is just not an excuse when they come as soon option or standard on every car in the world at this point.

[@gs98999]

Patrick Elisha for sure it needs rear curtains. I did read the report from iihs and it stated that while the head impacts the door in the back, the force isn’t enough to cause injuries. I only follow iihs since it’s easier to compare among cars here in North America. Wrangler is a compromise for sure, due to being able to completely strip the vehicle down. That makes it hard to put tons of airbags all over the place. I would definitely not use it as a primary family car. To me it’s more of a second or 3rd car type vehicle.

[@spelisha]

@@gs98999 agreed, it is impossible to do full comparisons on the euro tests, they don't test the 4runner or Prado - many times much of the vehicles we have here, so it is tricky. Indeed it is more of a secondary than a primary

[@ATLspy]

I was looking for the video where the guys were testing out the 2 liter turbocharged engine. Anybody know where I can find that?

[@Eddy-09]

I’m also looking for that video to see more on the 2.0T. Were you able to find it? Link?

[@David-ce7hg]

can i buy a cheep 4 door jeep 4 wheel drive as a second vehicle or just pull behind my motorhome as a fun car . Basic then I can stuff later if I want.

[@texlad04]

Just wait a couple months for the recession to be coming on hard and you will save 20 percent off MSRP.

[@12moonwolf]

Edward Willey III This comment aged very well, especially after what happened to hertz.

[@Junior-fy4im]

With the crap ford is pulling i don't think so

[@Toglander]

Jeep needs to offer a Wrangler without a removable top. If they had a version that had a proper roof with insulation and noise dampening, I think they would be surprised at how popular it would be. Most Wrangler drivers rarely remove the top, so if you gave them the option to have a quiet ride with better climate control, there would be a lot of takers.

[@amsterman007]

I totally disagree! Every jeep driver around here takes the top off.

[@Toglander]

@@amsterman007 - Lol, are you telling me that you know every Jeep owner in your area, and they have personally verified to you that they all remove the top off of their Jeep on a regular basis? Get over yourself bro. Just because you see a few people with the top off doesn’t mean that everyone does it all of the time. Bottom line, all Jeep would need to do is offer real roof with typical insulation and noise dampening and the sales would prove themselves. Having the ability to greatly reduce road and wind noise, along with improving the climate controls, would be enormously popular to many people. Additionally, it would increase the weight limits on the roof for people who want to mount heavy items such as rooftop tents.

[@amsterman007]

Yes. I've spoken with EVERY jeep owner in my area.

[@DRONESVU]

my jeep is so nice and quiet when I'm not driving it!

[@458Ferrarif]

Thought this was a serious episode then I heard 64k and I realized...April fools 😂 You guys got me lol

[@brianowens1002]

If only it were a joke. Yikes FCA, who signed off on this genius move?

[@Phantom0309]

@4:31 that graphic moving on and off the screen is awful BTW

[@anthonyc1883]

I hope they never try that particular one agian.

[@mako2350]

I wanted to buy a Jeep Wrangler 4 door Rubicon, right up till I saw the price!!! $65,000 for a decent equipped one... I got a 2019 Cherokee Trailhawk instead and got $15,000 off on it for being a disabled veteran and bought it on memorial day, only paying $28,000 and it has lockers... at half the price I got the V6 as I thought the turbo 4 sounded like a bag of cats at speed...

[@hollywood21639]

I have a 20 JLR 2 door manual and I really like it. I got it for 5k off MSRP so I am fine with the price I paid (40k). The only 2 things I don't like about it; the windows don't auto up (only auto down) and the climate control is terrible.

[@Eightball2516]

For that kind of money it’s crazy when I can but a Colorado zr2 with lockers for about 45k

[@Steelviper61]

You would be sadly disappointed with a ZR2. The quality is shit, it is now rated as the least reliable vehicle on the road. I bought mine brand new and it stayed in the shop all the time with driveline issues. I got tired of it and traded it in on JLU. I have never looked back or regretted it once. It was my first and last GM product I will ever buy.

[@brianowens1002]

J Smith the Jeep is just as bad quality wise. My JLUS left me roadside at 20k miles, never mind the 10+ trips to service in 18 months. Needs to go back in again no as a matter of fact

[@Steelviper61]

@@brianowens1002 Too bad we as consumers just can't get what is advertised for ain't it? It sounds like you got a Lemon hope it works out for you if not get rid of it.

[@shiftintohigh5564]

Or you can do what I did. Gr Cherokee Laredo 4x4 All wether Trails pkg. Skid plates, hi low ranges, Trail Rated, 9.5 in running clearance. Straight as an arrow on the highway. Ohhhh I wanted to like the JL, but this made a lot of sense. And any trails are a days ride from me. (No snow) but yeah if I lived in the mountains...oh my...Rubicon would be perfect.

[@ababa40]

What color is that?

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

TFL needs to buy a completely stripped Gladiator or Wrangler and see how affordably you can build 1 up to Rubicon levels offroad.

[@VinhNguyen-vd8vl]

Does it noise?

[@sheldonfingerman7005]

How about a trip on the interstate. Wind noise, handling, tire noise, etc.

[@MythicalDust]

How about they actually talk about it being on road...

[@mcwolf4255]

Awesome review, about the only review that stressed it’s quiet on the inside with the powered fold back soft convertible top and all tops. Also it’s the ecodiesel I’ve been eyeing to get, Thanks TFL Team for the review.

[@robk9685]

I just test drove a Rubicon with the dual top option but the hard top was on. When I returned the salesman was with some other buyers at his desk. Him: Well? Me: Well it certainly has a lot of wind noise compared to my Buick. Everybody laughed.

[@tallll70]

Maybe Rubicons should offer 4x4 Auto like trucks do, it might would get it to 70k, but with best 4x4 variability if you want to spend that buck