Does this solve all arrow weight arguments? (actual results)

There is continual arguments on arrows weights and point weights and how they affect the arrow drop. In this video I show you what 25 grains of variation means to my personal set up and why the lighter arrow makes more sense for my application.
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[@tyhansen6016]

I was thinking those groups were slacking then he said at 100 yards lol 😂

[@timbow50]

Over the years I’ve met a ton of people that have little to no concept of what you are explaining in this video. No idea of spine effects, arrow length, point weight etc. Gotta keep spreading the knowledge!👍👍

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

I think it is great that modern compounds are becoming more accurate at longer distance, but I bowhunt with a traditional recurve to get close to the animal. If I wanted to shoot past 30 yards, I would just gun hunt.

[@jasonwatson2679]

Thanks for demonstrating what 25 gn will do. Something to think about.

[@ep3389]

At 100 yards

[@robertdavis1102]

Most people can't shoot that good to tell the difference! Im glad that you are showing them 🎯

[@Niko_410]

I’ve got to overwhelmingly disagree that most bowhunters/archers wouldn’t notice 12 inch point impact difference in shooting. That’s petrifying.

[@patrickbink4617]

I certainly cannot!

[@robertdavis1102]

@Niko_410 if you can hold that good at 100yds to see the difference, then good for you 👍. 100 yards doesn't mean anything in a hunting situation and therefore nobody will see it!

[@ep3389]

​@robertdavis1102 exactly, once again this shows why dudley is an archer first and a hunter 2nd, he's always stretching things way out to distances 99 percent of hunters wouldn't shoot to make his case relevant

[@patrickbink4617]

What is the effective difference in changing the weight of the insert vs the tip? It seems either would have the same effect. Is there a reason to choose the insert (which can't easily be changed) over a tip change (trivial change)? I just got a dozen Sonic-KE from Nock-On and they came with 75/50 inserts, so trying to decide which way to go.

[@jonathan_guerrero]

Actually, the heavier the tip of the arrow the higher your foc will be. A higher foc will make the arrow nose dive faster. This was explained by Easton so I'm not making it up. I played around with some numbers and a 100 grain tip with a 50 grain insert gave me an foc of 14.1 A 125 grain tip with a 25 grain insert gave me 14.5 foc. Not a huge difference but to answer your question, it's not exactly the same thing.

[@jasonwatson2679]

Heck, I cant see a dot at 100!!!

[@thenameiwantedwastaken]

Same. Makes me wonder if there’s guys are using different “yards” to me

[@scottference612]

Shot at 500 yards with open sights in the Corps. At that range you can simply shoot for the center of the target, it may be what he is doing here. Or he just has good eyes...

[@bigz5262]

You should try podium archers 30 grain titanium inserts

[@moose9689]

The problem is I own one bow and my sight is set up for my hunting arrow. So do I change sight tapes to match a TAC arrow or build the arrow to match my hunting set up? Or buy a target bow 😅

[@scottsiebert6653]

Prep for what you will do 90% of the time and deal with the other 10%

[@african7498]

How hard can it be to prepare another tape? It is two completely different sports using similar gear.

[@d500mag2]

Whatever you choose, just spend money. The archery gods demand it.

[@Terpedup925]

I got the sonic ke. 27” long. 75 grain insert and 125 point weight. For a total weight of 474. Thinking of taking out the inserts and breaking off the 25 grain tip and keeping the 125 point weight because my broadheads that I’m gonna use this year are 125.

[@davidholliday2703]

Did you tune for the heavier arrow or shoot the same pins for both arrows to see the drop.

[@randyhutch50]

I understand what you're saying. What I want to know is are those special pants with a side pocket for arrows?

[@RFTwo]

I think that’s the Sitka Gear Range Pant.

[@tobpitbull]

Hello. Great video. Can you tell me what you are shooting grains per pd? Arrow total weight and bow poundage? Just curious what guys like yourself are shooting in general in regards to grains per pound. My current is 6.8 grains per pd ( 65pds weight with 444 grain FMJ with 100 grain) Thanks!

[@Jory623]

I’d like to see you do a group comparison between the 4fletch 2.0 and 3 fletch 2.6 on Sonics with the g5 mechanical

[@j.s.3414]

I did 50g insert, 100g field, sonic KE...at 68lbs it was great out to 110+...about 406g total arrow weight. I have no idea how to hunt, but I can kill some foam.

[@dougbreese613]

Always great Information.

[@romanmmcracer5843]

Hi. What spine of your arrows and power of your compound bow?

[@user-nx8vp5sy5d]

i have a bow that shoots 500gr at 29 inch, 70lb just over 300fps. i have other bows that shoot those arrows between 220 to 270fps, for me those speeds are too low so i use arrows built to get them above 280fps. over 300fps is to fast imho for grouping so when hunting i use a heaver arrow on my fast bow to reduce speed to below 290fps. arrow weight is more bow specific then saying use lighter to increase speed, considering most people who shoot to fast allready buy arrows not truely practical

[@user-il9ip8no2o]

It's clear. I have arrows of 31 and 29 inches, but for some reason 29 arrows of the same weight fly higher than 31. That is, you can take 29 and add weight and they will fly the same as 31. This is no longer clear.

[@jons7e]

How much does the arrow weight and FOC help in the wind at those longer distances? Is it better to use aluminum vs brass for TAC?

[@robertmyers7542]

This is purely a “professional” trying to make a guy who uses math look bad or debunk him. Including the word argument in the title has Jack shot to do with MATH! Plus when you get paid by the industry and the people that spend time to teach reality. At a 100 yards no shit there will be more drop as somewhere along the line momentum gets worse. But if I had to lay a 100 out right now based on what I just watched, both these arrows total mass is under 500 and first one is a normal shop tune built for speed with a 100 point, then add the said number of grains to shot two. Both not worth a damn to kill anything at a 100 without the perfect hit……😆😂🙄🤪. Pretty good odds you will never get an answer! Let’s also ask what poundage that bow is at also…..it’s just a sucker punch, that’s all!!!!

[@kylemacdonell1450]

@@robertmyers7542 I agree with you 100% And don't like that dud is pushing what he is being paid to SELL.. Even if its not directly promoted here. He did though mention for "these summer time events" I myself mostly hunt moose with archery gear and will NEVER shoot an expandable and light weight arrows at them, have had too much success with 550 Plus and fixed blade broadheads

[@jons7e]

@@robertmyers7542 Did you even watch the video? He didn't suggest this is for hunting, though you could hunt with those weights. He also said the total arrow weights, and the point itself made the second arrow 25grain heavier. So at 100 yards it added 12" of additional drop with just those 25 grains, which is relevant for people at TAC events trying to add range. You just wrote some long rant and even Troy made sub 500 grain arrows for TAC events.

[@davidholliday2703]

The context here was for TAC, right?

[@kylemacdonell1450]

@jons7e so he saying it's a good idea to sight in before going ? I mean if you change arrows and shoot at 100 yards obviously impact will be affected

[@krystiantester5050]

On average, each 20 grain more slows down the arrow by 7fps.

[@SolidSnakeFPV]

Idk you should definitely ask Nenad hell have the answers

[@steelandsanderoutdoors2617]

That's a great method for shooting further on Tac Target, but when it comes to hunting, you lose all your penetration and your kinetic energy.

[@Sean-pw3yr]

How much kinetic energy do you need and how many 100 yard shots on animals are you taking?

[@j.s.3414]

That exactly why he's talking about TAC.....

[@cameronprior6190]

The "Arrow weight argument" has nothing to do with target archery. If anyone was only shooting foam, you'd always go the biggest lightest arrow..... it's a no brainer

[@maxbehr3095]

(Skinniest), lightest arrow. lol wind drift matters more than line cutting at tac events, I promise.

[@cameronprior6190]

@@maxbehr3095 true did not consider that...

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

​@@maxbehr3095 TAC is stupid. The distance to targets are stupid long and very few people will ever shoot a real animal at those distances. It is good to practice long distance shots to work on form and make short shots that much easier, but it seems fewer and fewer people are practicing one of the most essential skills of bowhunting. This is why 3D's exist in the first place and why light arrows ever came into existence. That skill is range estimating. You want a real total archery challenge, then leave the rangefinder at home.

[@JaredAlexandert4]

If the bow was sighted in with the lighter arrow and then he shot the heavier grain of course it would do that

[@josephreichart7545]

Nice tree in background