Five Citizenships You Can’t Renounce

[@antonioaranio3568]

A country that tries to prevent you from leaving is basically a prison, right?

[@KeleDiabateRoadToTokyo]

France's doing that at the moment. Can't leave UE from France

[@christianorsa]

I mean no but yes.

[@zenglider2145]

@@matthewsmith908 Your point about covid is irrelevant. Prohibition and draconian penalties for renouncing citizenship has nothing to do with covid which will eventually pass by. But govt control of people's freedom will be permanent.

[@vxcvfyutube4957]

@@matthewsmith908 safety and freedom can't coexist....a country can be an open air jail

[@andrewalmada]

Exactly. They force you to be part of their identity and comply with whatever policies they have or will implement.

[@mikepodesta4393]

Incredible how we think we are free, only to discover we are not. At All.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who believe themselves to be free. It's easier to fool someone, than to convince them they've been fooled.

[@nawtsurprised]

@@user-gz4ve8mw9l Just as true long ago when first stated as it is today.

[@Tethloach1]

land of the free, many idiots still buy that crap. the idiots will say they are the most free, just because they have been given permission to express themselves in a specific way, and they love the bad guys so they can point and feel justified. oh look they aren't free so we are. people in the past had more and less freedom, it is a trade off. you gain certain things while giving up other things.

[@RamonRodriguez-hq7vn]

I think the United States is following the footsteps of old East Berlin. Instead of having a physical wall, there's a Tax wall that prevents us from immigrating out of here.

[@dwt51]

Smart idea to register your "Go where you're treated best" tagline.

[@eamonnmckeown6770]

I saw that too. I wonder how TMs work globally. Did Andrew TM that tagline in the US? Not actually difficult for a foreigner from outside the US. Just needs a lawyer. I speak not from experience admittedly but from the Patent Office webpage.

[@Msjaniceelaine]

Andrew has already covered any snatching. His Attorney filed October of 2017.

[@dwt51]

@@Msjaniceelaine I haven't seen the registration symbol in the videos until recently.

[@yunggolem4687]

With what, a government?

[@Msjaniceelaine]

@@dwt51 *GO WHERE YOU'RE TREATED BEST* I would know. I thought about snatching it a while back. Sorry Andrew, the thought was there. I watched the interview with your father, If I recall correctly, dad coined the phase. Filing Date 10/10/17 Published for Opposition 2/27/18 Registered Date 7/3/18. Simple search, US Patent and Trademark Office.

[@AriadyPutra]

When a goverment makes certain things "impossible", there will always be a blackmarket economy around it

[@sl2427]

@@yunggolem4687 Yes totally in agreement.

[@luck3949]

I have troubles renouncing my citizenship of Belarus. Technically it is allowed, but the catch is, one of the required documents for it is the agreement of defence ministry, and they simply don't give it.

[@microcolonel]

Make a friend.

[@captainblacktail8137]

To denounce polish citizenship you need documentation and approval of the president.

[@LemonTreeNOTfree]

Зачеркни лицевую страницу и оставь в аэропорту

[@luck3949]

​@@LemonTreeNOTfree В базе я всё равно в РБ буду числиться как гражданин РБ, и первый же патруль меня остановит и заберёт в армию, после чего вручит свежераспечатанный паспорт РБ.

[@k.l.6129]

I'm stateless. It's better than potentially being tracked down by the IRS for not knowing something and being extradited despite not even owing money. I was lucky that I had some savings, or I'd never be able to afford renouncing. They really are trying to stop people from leaving. My experience at the embassy was very threatening and uncomfortable. They literally threatened to take my money and then deny me. They even questioned my competency and ability to renounce. Then they debated my reasons for leaving. I shouldn't have to justify myself. But, the hassle was worth it. Going into business with my ex. No insane paperwork for me or potential 10,000 USD fines for some honest mistake on convoluted tax paperwork. No having to pay money to a country I'll never set foot in again! Not like the taxes ever go to something meaningful to begin with in the states.

[@p.m.8316]

how do you travel when you are stateless?

[@roderickwright6339]

If I wanted to leave I would burn my passports and paperwork and leave. That would be it. If the US Federal Agencies can't even follow their own procedures, they cant expect their citizens to do so either. They would not get a single penny of my money if I wanted to leave - how would I travel??? Simple: I wouldn't. I would live out my life minding my own business outside of the United States.

[@mydpRu]

@@roderickwright6339 technically, when you burn your paperwork, you still are recognised as a citizen. I’d be extremely happy to renounce my Russian citizenship, but it’s not possible until I get my Czech citizenship in four years…

[@idontexist1511]

@@p.m.8316 See Mike Gogulski and Glen Lee Roberts. See 1954 Convention Travel Document.

[@emmanueljames2487]

I would never get a citizenship that I can't renounce. I don't go to a party without at least 10 exit doors.

[@9trogenta13]

You don't have to get it when you''re born with it.

[@emmanueljames2487]

​@@9trogenta13 Well, yeah, than it's a prison. It's like a religion with a death penalty for apostasy or a marriage without a divorce clause.

[@HernanM019]

I'm from Argentina, one of these countries mentioned in the list. I can't officially renounce my citizenship, but that would be the less of my concerns, since i know really well my country, and they don't have the will, neither the means to enforce a taxation system or anything similar if you are outside the borders Basically, if i leave the country, then my government leaves me alone. Still, you can always come back and the country will never deny your entrance or any of your rights.

[@emmanueljames2487]

@@HernanM019 Is it happening an exodus of Argentinian business and people right now?

[@HernanM019]

@@emmanueljames2487 yes but that is for the economic status of the country. Once you leave you don't really have to still declaring your earnings to the government. It's not like the U.S

[@bigman8614]

I was ready to comment that we have the same situation in Morocco, and baam it’s the last one of the list, this guy’s work is really on point

[@WS-ew5bs]

Hey big man , I'm also from morocco , We should hang out

[@ljk.creative8400]

There is another word commonly used to describe situations where a "human being" cannot leave or has to pay their masters to be allowed to leave... Things are getting more and more ridiculous, and it's scary to observe the almost non-existent push-back against all these stupid ideas. “Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.”, Frédéric Bastiat, 1848

[@btc1m654]

Great video as always Andrew, would be interesting if you make a video on stateless citizens and how that would work.

[@ricerealtor980]

Yes! Please do a video on the positives of statelessness. I know foreigners can own property in the U.S... Can a stateless person own property?

[@Abraham_Tsfaye]

There are actually 17 countries which don't allow renouncing citizenship. Morocco Argentina Costa Rica Dominican Republic Ecuador Guatemala Haiti Honduras Mexico Nicaragua Niger Panama Qatar Tonga Uruguay Vatican (Holy See) Yemen

[@Slenderman63323]

Wow. I feel blessed to live in a country that allows me to not only renounce citizenship, but also allows dual citizenship... ironically being able to leave freely makes me want to stay here even more!

[@favioescobar2692]

Now I understand why Argentine citizenship is so easy to get, it's a deadly trap :/

[@ComradeInChief]

Hi Andrew, I own a ranch in the USA, and love where I live. But, I am not happy with the direction of my country. I'd love to see a video on the steps Americans can take without renouncing and while living a portion of the year stateside.

[@yannickille4049]

You can start a business in Indonesia

[@dand5829]

As a Cuban citizen, good luck renouncing that one.

[@KeleDiabateRoadToTokyo]

France just blocked French residents to leave EU from France. May be an interesting topic to talk about.

[@zaydalaoui9397]

That's specific situation for Coronavirus, and actueally if you have citizenship from another country outside EU, you can leave to this specific country.

[@phyjcb]

What do you mean? You can't leave France, or you can't leave the EU?

[@zaydalaoui9397]

@@phyjcb you can’t leave EU unless you have an emergency or a dual citizenship.

[@phyjcb]

@@zaydalaoui9397 So you mean that only French citizens are not allowed to leave the EU? But other EU citizens can?

[@zaydalaoui9397]

@@phyjcb a bit more complicated, if you’re just french, you can’t leave outside EU from france but if you go to italy you can take a plane to wherever you want (I know it doesnt make sense) If you’re french and american let’s say, you can leave from france to usa if you have an emergency (dad in hospital or something). But all this is temporary i guess by march everything will be reopened it changes every week or so.

[@MarianoPoggiParcellier]

Great video Andrew! As an Argentinian, I'm actually very concerned with the way the country and taxation policies are going. If the government decides to have taxation by citizenship (God forbid!), I think the only option would be to sue the Argentinian State in a long process, so they may release your citizenship or allow a carve out from the taxation if you live in other place.

[@nomadcapitalist]

It would be a crazy process for sure.

[@michaelreid8857]

I was going to say the same. Argentina may get tough in Argentina. I can never see a cooperation or pressure being put on any other country. Do you really think, Uruguay will start “cooperation” with Argentina?

[@byronlaw6724]

You can check in, but you can't check out...so basically, they are roach motels?

[@rons5319]

And while your in their "motel," pray they don't start a war with another country. They'll grab your body and throw you into the fight, and if you express any reservations about that, they'll arrest you and call you a coward.

[@Tethloach1]

They get to endanger you with war mongering, sell you a full package you don't agree with, and silence you any way they can, it is all for power really, some humans love power and that alone causes problems.

[@amoschan9531]

Hotel california

[@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131]

@@amoschan9531 My thought exactely !!! The lyrics of that song has always spooked me out....😨 Stay safe and well. Love from Norway 💖

[@quincekreb6798]

Hotel California...

[@jackcullen69]

Kind of silly for citizenships to be unrenounceable

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Why? Nation states came to exist on the grounds that people of the same ethnicity should be citizens of the same country. If one's ethnicity can't be changed, it makes sense that one's nationality shouldn't change either.

[@Truther945]

@@Ggdivhjkjl you're speaking gibberish like your "name". What about all of the "nation states" created in the 20th century with multiple ethnicities? Exactly. LOL

[@jackcullen69]

@@Ggdivhjkjl You equate citizenship, which is a legal status, with nationality or ethnicity. No room for persuasion if those are your assumptions Imagine being a citizen of a hopelessly shittily run country and you've already eacaped to a better place and have a new citizenship after renouncing all other citizenships, but your shit hole of origin still considers you as a citizen, especially for tax purposes. That shucks and is silly

[@martinsinnombre]

And still, it has its pros. If you are living in Germany and want to apply for citizenship, you have tu renounce you previous citizenship. But if you're from Argentina you get to keep it, hence having 2 passports, which is quite convenient. There's also a law since 2009 (I'm not sure about the date, but the law is there) that if you're from a European Union member country, you can get another European Union member citizenship without having to renounce to yours.

[@jeb284]

@@Ggdivhjkjl most countries weren’t formed with same ethnicity in mind. Most boarders formed regardless who live there but whomever had the power to draw the line on the land and fight anyone else claiming the land

[@giantdad1661]

They can say "you can't renounce citizenship all you want", but all you have to do is move, and pick a new name when you register for citizenship. The country does not own you.

[@yunggolem4687]

I can renounce whatever I want, I'm not a willing slave. The worst they can do is kill me.

[@MerlinTheCommenter]

If you make enough money, they probably will. They're that kind of piece of shit

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

@@MerlinTheCommenter if you make enough money you can hire protection.

[@Tethloach1]

@@Gr3nadgr3gory not from the amount of hired guns and goons they have. they have goons foaming at the mouth to deliver justice written by the politicians. they do have to keep law and order, nothing says that better than fear and intimidation and bribery.

[@thanhvinhnguyento7069]

@@Gr3nadgr3gory or just hire assassins on their ass. I may die but I'm gonna take the bunch of them with me

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

@@thanhvinhnguyento7069 precisely. It's just getting too hard to find quality help these days. Assassins just don't work like they used to.

[@reconcostarica2362]

Andrew, Costa Rica permits dual citizenship, which is important in the context of what you're discussing, because indeed it also disallows renunciation of national citizenship EXCEPT under a singular proviso. Article 16 of the Political Constitution originally established that Costa Rican citizenship is not lost and cannot be renounced. But a Constitutional Council in 2009 determined that the Costa Rican nationality may be forfeited,, as long as the former Costa Rican does not remain stateless, that is, without another nationality. In fact, Law No. 1155 reads as follows: Article 3 - The quality of Costa Rican is lost: 1) By adoption of another nationality; 2) When the Costa Rican by naturalization, voluntarily becomes absent from the national territory for more than six consecutive years, unless shown to have remained linked to Costa Rica. (Note: This was a tacit repeal of Article 1 in Law No. 7514 of June 6, 1995, that amended Article 16 of the Political Constitution, which established that Costa Rican citizenship cannot be lost at all and could be,, therefore, considered unrenounceable.) What I find currently troubling is that, as a member of the OEDC, Costa Rica is attempting even as we speak to become another nation capable of taxing foreign-earned income. This country has a VORACIOUS and grossly irresponsible Central Government that has exponentially grown its size in the last 15 years relative to the nation's GDP that has NOT grown exponentially, and it cannot deliver on unfunded liabilities coming due. So, rather than reduce its own size, it is hunting for tribute from wherever it can find it, especially after the COVID Economy dried up its main sources of income. And it refuses to reduce its expenditures because it believes its own marketing about Costa Rica being superior to countries in the region due to its form of government, which couldn't be a more stupid reason for continuing with its bankrupted public policy of deficit spending and tax increases. As deficit spending has only continued to rise, sovereign debt credit rankings have plummeted, foreign capital infusion is drying up if not beginning to take flight from domestic investments,, and social unrest has mounted as unemployment remains in the double-digit range for over a year in an otherwise historically peaceful and relatively prosperous nation. 2021 is a pre-electoral year and there is a great deal of pent up anger bound to get unleashed at the ballot boxes early next year. So, stay tuned. Some serious changes are coming to Costa Rica.

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

Maybe you can't renounce it but I've seen a workaround that a couple of people used. They claim political or religious or ethnic prosecution from their countries, get a "UN passport" (don't know exactly the technical name of the thing) and then apply for another country. A couple of Argentinian fellows here in Monaco did that and are now proud Italians based on their roots.

[@mynamename5172]

Half of Argentina has an Italian passport in their back pockets. But you still cannot get rid of your citizenship in Argentina, you just have another passport. I am one of the 4% of people from Argentina who does NOT qualify for Italian citizenship, argh!

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

@@mynamename5172 The two people I'm referring had to go through a process that forfeited their Argentinian nationality due to the unpleasantness back in the military dictatorship. They are no loonger Argentinian citizens.

[@nomadcapitalist]

@@seawolf7610 It is indeed.

[@JamesSmith-qv9qo]

@@seawolf7610 Some people are waiting 3 or 4 years for a appointment at a Italian consulate, and another year to actually get the passport. Also, getting the required documents from Italy and your country of birth is a big hassle.

[@JamesSmith-qv9qo]

@@mynamename5172 Did your ancestors naturalize as Argentina citizens before having children in Argentina? I have multiple Italian ancestors, but can only use one to obtain citizenship because before 1992 Italians lost their citizenship when they naturalized in another country.

[@amostofi1999]

This is why I don't like the idea of having several citizenships. All it takes is for Turkey or Dominica to impose global taxation of citizens living abroad and make it illegal to give up your citizenship at the same time.

[@jedss6969]

That would be possible. But is that better of what you currently have? If not then some might not have a choice...

[@Murmilone]

You are not allowed to give up your Russian citizenship if you don't have another one or an official document stating that you will get a new one as soon as the old one is terminated. The other two reasons they won't let you go are if you have unfulfilled tax obligations or you are a 18-27 y.o. (will be shifting to 20-30 y.o. in the near future) male and haven't performed your military service. However, the military service part does not apply if you are abroad and applying through a consulate. The major difference between applying in Russia and abroad is that in the former case you will be granted a permanent residence permit and in the latter case you get nothing.

[@johnvianney2621]

The Lateran Agreement states that a citizen of the Holy See becomes a citizen of Italy if he possesses no other upon renunciation

[@fishslappr]

That is some arcane knowledge you have there

[@rivenoak]

also special agreement in place for swiss papal guard: to serve in vatican they become citizens of vatican to avoid being foreign soldiers "occupying". the vatican citizenship is lifted after their service. other than papal guard: you opt-in to become vatican citizen and it is not up for transfer by _ius sanguinis_ , so nobody can bestow it upon you against your will. avoid to become a cardinal and you are fine :p

[@LoveClassicMusic0205]

What would happen if someone converted to being a Lutheran? I would expect the pope would excommunicate him.

[@bekkibuenviaje9680]

“You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.”

[@The_Temple]

A citizen of those nations CAN renounce their citizenships to any nation that would accept them as a new citizen …. HOWEVER, their origin home wouldn’t recognize it and if they ever returned for even a visit, would disregard their new citizenship

[@chrislanejones]

We are paying taxes for highways that we will never drive on.

[@Dirshaun]

With the current political climate in the U.S. I'd imagine you could become a refugee if you're politically on the right.

[@thegan9143]

I'm glad I found your channel it has stated me thinking about the not so distant future of retiring and the gong show that has become Canada under Justin Trudeau. I have no desire to inherit his debts or participate in what he is making Canada so I will leave and either become a non-resident or renounce citizenship. Going where I am treated the best.

[@zelousfoxtrot3390]

We had a friend who couldn't visit Korea. His parents had left before he was born, but his grandfather put him on the rolls when he was, against the parent's permission. If he returned before, 35? automatic military service or jail. So whacked.

[@billhennessey6374]

Costa Rica? Wow, I was married to a Costa Rican but I never got citizenship because the woman made me want to stab my eyeballs with a fork. I am so glad that I never pursued citizenship there. Ironically, I am getting permanent residency in Panama and I will be a stone's throw from the Costa Rican border. Hopefully the ex won't be able to find me in my mountain retreat or be able to get by the guard dogs on the property. 😂

[@rons5319]

emm She sounds delightful. ha ha

[@mynamename5172]

I assume there were a few happy moments at one point?

[@lextor4712]

@@mynamename5172 lol I guess his happy that he didn't stab his eyeballs.

[@billhennessey6374]

Not a moment of happiness, haha. She was a gold digger who was looking for US citizenship. She was a great actress though. Live and learn. She is someone else's problem now, haha.

[@amoszook3775]

Costa Rica is a country with civil law = no unalienable rights. The Costa Rica legal system has hung a lot if foreigners out to dry. America in theory and in law has such rights but no courts enforce them.

[@jawlyrogers8566]

You could try terminating your SSN. People do this when a family member dies. You could get id's from other countries (so you're not stateless), have your friends vouch for your "death," or pose as the family member while asking the government to terminate your id for "them."

[@ernestbywater411]

I don't know if the laws are still the same as when I seriously looked into dual citizenship information back in the 1980s. However, some countries didn't let you become a naturalized citizen of their country unless you renounced your citizenship of your prior country. Some countries had laws that once you became a naturalized citizen of another country you lost your citizenship in your country. However, the most intriguing I learned at that time was that if you had dual citizenship by birth or derived from your parents some countries had laws where the moment you present your legal identity documents from country A to a government official of country B you were declaring yourself to NOT be a citizen of country B. The main reason I looked into it back then is I had a good friend who had dual Australian / USA citizenship derived from an Australian father and a US mother in 1950. To confuse matters further he was born on a UK registered ship in the middle of the Indian Ocean and a question was raised about the possibility of them have a UK citizenship as well. His parents both registered his birth with Australia and the USA. However, when he needed a passport to travel for work he spoke with the US Embassy staff and they advised him to get passports from both countries as there were advantages to using an Australian Passport in some countries and it made travel into and out of Australia easier. The big thing they told him was to NEVER show his Australian Passport to a USA Border Control or Embassy official as doing so was him declaring to an official he was NOT a US citizen and thus he would automatically lose his US citizenship. I didn't believe him at first, but spoke with the US< Embassy staff in Canberra and they confirmed that advice was true. Now it seems their laws make it harder to cease being a US Citizen.

[@Febrinasvlogs]

Thanks Andrew. You always give the most enlightening content :)

[@billcrane2444]

Could you do a talk on statelessness; pros, cons, reasons, logic, lack of logic, etc... ?

[@hughmongous663]

Are there any pros to being stateless?

[@JOhnDoe-nl4wj]

@@hughmongous663 depends, let's say you''re US citizen, you life in china, you earn all your money in china, china is taxing you but you can't yet apply for citizenship, the US is taxing you too, even tho they don't do anything for you. You might keep the alien status in china and renounce the US citizenship, that way you can save (from your point of view, useless) taxes towards the US and put those extra funds on a shelf to pay for instant chinese citizenship (500 thousand dollar i believe)

[@hughmongous663]

@@JOhnDoe-nl4wj so you would become stateless just to save a bit on tax. If it's so important to you, just move to Dubai.

[@JOhnDoe-nl4wj]

@@hughmongous663 I've not said that i would do that. I personally wouldn't. I can understand why people are doing it, tho. High income tax can go as high as 90% of all your earning. That's a lot of tax for someone who doesn't have to do anything with the country beside having a citizenship.

[@Athiril]

Australia also expects you to pay income tax back to the Australian Taxation Office if you’re working overseas

[@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131]

That's completely bonkers !!! Are those guys suffering a permanent heat stroke ??? 😨

[@sko1beer]

@@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131 and fine you if you don’t vote

[@josh3771]

It’s a free range prison

[@user-xg6yc8ho3w]

Only if you're still officially an Australian resident for tax purposes. If you have moved out of Australia and no longer own a property in Australia, you do not have to pay income tax while you're living overseas.

[@tobeytransport2802]

The UK system is pretty easy, not that I’ve ever looked into it much. There is a fee and you can renounce if you are applying for, or already have, a foreign citizenship. If you get denied your application in the other country and therefore are stateless for more than 6 months the UK will cancel the renunciation and return your British citizenship. We also have no military service or citizenship tax or compulsory voting.

[@idontexist1511]

if a country prohibits renunciation unless you are applying for, or already have, a foreign citizenship, then it is **not** easy. Such condition doesn't account for: - Latvia non-citizens. - Uruguayan legal citizens. - Others who can already avail themselves protection in another state but have hardships of acquiring another citizenship for whatever reason. If you can't invoke article 7(1)(b) of the 1961 convention on the reduction of statelessness and thus articles 13 and 14 of udhr, then renouncing citizenship is not easy. British nationality law has no exceptions to not allowing renunciation if you aren't applying for a foreign citizenship or don't have a foreign citizenship, technically a violation of the 1961 convention on the reduction of statelessness (more specially article 7(1)(b)), how ironic.

[@andrewalmada]

Ecuador🇪🇨 citizenship you can’t renounce too, if you didn’t obtained it by naturalization. Only naturalized citizens can renounce

[@thomasthumim7630]

Anyone can enter Ecuador I think I should buy real estate

[@andrewalmada]

@@thomasthumim7630 yes you can. There is no restrictions on foreigners buying property in Ecuador. You can possibly naturalize there. Naturalized citizens are the only ones that can renounce their citizenship if you ever want to.

[@Mariemoni4]

I’ve never heard you talk about brazil, ever. Would you talk about it, please? Anything, I’m curious about your thoughts.

[@nomadcapitalist]

Hi, Thank you for your interest. Maybe you'd like to watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/iV7UqXSLn56lo7M

[@mostafamax2081]

Are brazilian american???

[@DarkKingsKing]

I didn't know there was a monetary price for a U.S. citizen to renounce their own citizenship. I just thought it was irreversible and you couldn't become a legal citizen again through the immigration process.

[@oceanwonders]

Passports are about freedom. I don't know why someone would choose Statelessness. In this world, I don't see how you could get anything done or travel anywhere without a passport.

[@Egilhelmson]

Statelessness is another way of saying that you hold yourself Sovereign. The flip side is that you have no Treaty Of Westphalia protections of being either a subject or citizen of a Sovereign State. If any country that you are momentarily in or have assets in decides to take all your assets you have no backup but your own force. Kal-El can afford to be stateless, but Clark Kent cannot, unless his friends and family members are publicly under Superman’s protection.

[@oceanwonders]

And what human individual secure their own sovereignty against a State? I would be curious to learn about people who are stateless but who are also wealthy. I would be very surprised if such a person existed.

[@Dibs1978]

Passports only are about freedom if you come from a majority white or a few select Asian country, and your country is not affiliated with Russia. Eg. A wealthy South African will face far more challenges travelling than a young jobless addict from the US, simply because or the passport.

[@oceanwonders]

@@Dibs1978 Good point. To be fair, Nomad Capitalist's customers *are* mostly the West.

[@idontexist1511]

UN 1954 Convention Travel Document?

[@caronridge6912]

Americans have been unable to renounce for two years either "temporarily". Just like income tax was invoked more than a hundred years ago "temporarily". If you've not left US yet, too late, yur stuck forever. Speaking as a public civil service assistant director.

[@szilardpeter8401]

I know that you can't renounce citizenship of some ex-Soviet countries without confirming that you're taking another citizenship. That definitely is the case in Russia, and I think that's the case in Kazakhstan too. I seen at least one Russian guy who filed a request demanding his citizenship be renounced but was denied by the court. However, you can still renounce it if you have a piece of paper confirming you're getting another citizenship. Regarding the statelessness reduction convention: it may be bad because it doesn't let you get out of a citizenship BUT one good thing this convention provides is a framework to enable stateless people to get a travel document. You can be stateless and get a non-citizen passport that DOES NOT give you visa free access but you bear no extra obligations as a citizen, and you don't have to be an asylum seeker or a refugee to get it - just show evidence that you have no citizenship (e.g. a document confirming your renunciation by the MOFA or another institution).

[@imacchiavello6567]

Love this I’m from Ecuador we also can’t renounce or citizenship

[@frankmediavilla8785]

@Alex Mason you can give up Ecuadorian citizenship if you obtained it thorugh naturalization, if you were born here though, it is impossible.

[@andrewalmada]

@@frankmediavilla8785 Exactly. Imagine it’s also impossible to naturalize in a country that requires you to renounce all your current citizenships.

[@talc1234]

Poland requires a petition to the president. It is entirely the President’s decision whether it is granted

[@geoguyrocks354]

"Freedom in America", except on double overseas taxation lol

[@sko1beer]

The USA government loves you no matter where you are

[@princevesperal]

The key-word is "in". 😉

[@qafiah]

In Syria you can't renounce your citizenship without presidential decree!

[@keenanakil9890]

A person can be stripped of Syrian citizenship if it has been clear that a person intentionally and valounterly established a relationship/connection with a country that is in a state of war with Syria.

[@rons5319]

No problem--just ask Assad.

[@adrianjaramillo3252]

In Colombia you need another citizenship AND have "resolved" your military situation. Which means either pay to get the paperwork done, or do military service.

[@shadowgov9721]

Now I’m worried , I was born in Argentina but left there at the age of 12, that’s over 50 years ago , they are not going to tax me , it would be outrageous,

[@Andreas4696]

They're not the United States. Even if they tried that, they don't have the power to do that.

[@ajorbista]

So the Queen of the Netherlands is still an Argentine citizen?

[@Horoscopephobia]

Maybe she holda dual citizenship

[@rivenoak]

..and all the princesses too

[@albertinagiuffre4024]

As far as I know the Netherlands doesn't allow a 2nd passport.

[@rivenoak]

@@albertinagiuffre4024 NL will have to, most second citizenships are just bestowed by _ius sanguinis_ of the parents, on of them not from Netherlands.

[@michellezevenaar]

@@albertinagiuffre4024 they try to limit duel citizenship but there are soooo many exceptions that its rather easy to have duel citizenship. If you are married to a dutch citizen you can keep both is a common exception.

[@matthewnirenberg]

Whilst this comment is being written 2yrs after the video came out, the following is interesting to note: ANY country can choose to declare / recognise / grant citizenship to anyone they want, at their discretion. All the govt has to do is pass a law, make a decree or declare a class / category of people as citizens. The worst part - those affected don't get a say, they never get a chance to refuse. The other worst part - NO country has to let you renounce - it's solely at their discretion and on their terms. What I mean by class / category of people is for example: * Everyone of [X] religion * Everyone persecuted by [X] regime * Everyone who was a citizen but renounced * Any grandchild of a person persecuted by [X] regime * Anyone who goes to [X] country where they'd otherwise pay less tax * Etc. Currently four countries declare people to be citizens by means of class / category without the people ever having a say. Of those four countries, two make it basically almost impossible to renounce whilst two make it impossible. One of the two makes it impossible to renounce if doing so would lower your taxes. My genuine fear is that when the "name brand" countries get desperate for taxes, they'll suddenly either make it easy to become a citizen or they'll start declaring classes / categories of people to be citizens.

[@AHStrategis]

CRS is based on the residency, not the nationality ... Unlike FATCA

[@kacywatson6314]

I had to give up my British citizenship a few times to avoid going to jail for fraud. Because my parents who I say they are didn't match who was on my birth certificate.... Am adopted.

[@thomasthumim7630]

You poor thing I hope you find your real parents

[@kacywatson6314]

@@thomasthumim7630 I hope not! My bio dad is in jail for being bad with kids, and for playing with knifes. My bio mum is mentally .... She is in the fun house.

[@sophiesto6122]

I searched about a year and have not vound a legal way to renounce French citizenship.

[@pamelars7497]

Uruguay. You never lose it, but in some cases you might lose citizenship rights(before 18, imprisonment and some mental issues is incapacitated). So, another one there for your list 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@truthmustbetold9304]

I don't know who told you the untrue information about Iran. But it's not difficult to renounce Iranian citizenship. It's impossible. Only unless you've been naturalized from another country. In Iran there's almost no tax paid by people. Many pay nothing. Many don't at all. I've been to Iran. Just great people and beautiful scenes. I don't just understand the hostility of the West towards them. They are the victim of many horrible crimes such as an 8 year imposed war.

[@hughnelson5136]

Supporting terrorism in the Middle East, killing U.S. soldiers in Iraq, bombing Jewish centers in Argentina, etc. That is why Iran has a bad reputation. Not the people, the government.

[@sardaar_]

This is true. Since many Iranians can be dual citizen of another country where Dual citizenship are strictly prohibited since the other country knows that we cannot renounce our citizenship no matter what.

[@eamonnmckeown6770]

War of 1812. In part fought because of the Royal Navy's forcible impressment of it's former subjects aboard American vessels. If anyone wants some light fictional reading there is the novella ' A Man Without A Country. '

[@amandatkids854]

You have me now curious if and if so, which other passport did you show when you expatriated from the US This was so interesting, thank you!

[@woodingsmichael]

#6 California

[@woodingsmichael]

@Fareed Waseem shhhhh don’t tell them 🤫

[@blackroute1527]

😂😂😂

[@thenaughtyamericanexpat]

@Fareed Waseem Oh, you must be KNEW.🤣

[@angeliquef904]

So true!

[@captainblacktail8137]

In my experience California doesn't care if your a citizen they just want to tax you if you are so much as aware of the US west coast...

[@r.brooks5287]

Leaving the UK is encouraged, more room for the rest of us.

[@josh3771]

57 more North African men with no education boarding the boat to the uk as we speak

[@rolwest55]

In the Argentinean case Andrew presents the case a bit different as the way the Argentinean Government see it. Is not that you cannot renounce.... it is that the Country always will consider you as a Citizen, even if you becomes a Citizen of another Country. They are not withholding you. Not sure Andrew knows exactly how the situation actually is.

[@patrickbateman1540]

Wikipedia says that an Argentinian citizen can only renounce his argentinian citizenship if he appears before a judge in the capital city of Buenos Aires so the argentinian judge would have to approve the request and them submit it to the government and then only if top government officials accept the application only then you will lose your Argentinian citizenship that's why it's so difficult and it was included in the video

[@wg6377]

Always great videos and info , cheers

[@sr9253]

Does anyone know if federal employees can still receive their pension if they renounce their citizenship?

[@nomadcapitalist]

No.

[@roderickwright6339]

I would have retired from the military if it was not for the antics that the US Army pulled. If I had left the country after I became an Army officer, then at least I would have had a future. Instead I chose to go through their "legal" system and fight. 15 years later and still fighting with no sight in end. If something happens like that my advice is get out when you can.

[@cnnewyam]

Didn‘t know about Morocco being impossible to renounce but I‘ve never heard of anyone (trying to) renouncing Moroccan citizenship either. Morocco does not care what you do outside the country tho.

[@anavasquez5409]

Too many oppositors and moroccans who live abroad who got another citizenship want to renounce the moroccan one but it's not allowed..since the king in person must sign it. Moroccan authorities care a lot what moroccans are doing abroad because they are afraid of them to talk bad or organize something against the moroccan regim. They spend millions on spying..Also heard that moroccans abroad are obligated to declare their proprieties abroad for Moroccans authorities and pay taxes on it in Morocco.

[@ITAviation1]

Heard also Eritrea, Myanmar & Hungary* taxes worldwide income (*Dual nationals and people from countries with tax treaties are spared worldwide taxation)

[@dominionian7193]

Being stuck with country A still holding you as a citizen, even if you live, work, and have citizenship in another country (country B), has drawbacks specifically with some government/military positions in country B.. it can delay or even prevent you from obtaining a security clearance in country B due to still being a "citizen" of country A

[@Astoilov1]

These passports have the curse of binding

[@MrCatlover]

Have you been to Tanzania? I ask because Tanzania is said to be the only country in which covid test/vaccines/curfews and other restrictions are not pushed on the people.

[@pgum123gonowplayread4]

WAIT A FUDGING MINUTE, the thing about USA (until time ) 6:28 is completely different from the understanding of the times PR actually get taught about our situation. We, as a people, may renounce USA citizenship in favor for PR one, which really IS NOT advisable to get as for one thing it is as good as a buying a star certificate from one of those flimsy websites. With the PR passport, until PR would be internationally recognized as independent, CANNOT be used to travel to other countries, for one, among other things However it should be given notice that many PR don't realize this since the department of education's purpose is literally to make sure PR become more Americanized, in which during a year I don't remember which one was it as I am not as old, replaced all PR teachers with american ones in an effort to get rid of rebellious sentiments and the PR gov LOVES to classify history books when they are about to be published PLUS, maybe it is not as well put into importance as for one thing, when the PR nationalists came back, many accepted the thing about needing American as the thing 'about not being able to travel among other things'.

[@nodaklojack]

The trend is going to a future of wealthy people who will be allowed to be stateless and travel freely provided they pay the cross border entry/exit fee. Those who have citizenship will also be allowed to travel freely and cross borders but will not have to pay any entry/exit fee.

[@barbarossa04]

International law (Nationality and / or citizenship law in this case) is above the laws governing WITHIN a country. I know of at least 2 families originating from the 5th country you mentioned in your video (Now living in Europe) who renounced their citizenship via lawyers! So a country can 'refuse' you your right of renouncing your citizenship all they want. International law says otherwise.

[@xypher337]

International Law doesnt really exist. Its all political theatre. Any lawyer who is honest would tell you this.

[@anavasquez5409]

moroccans?

[@mohamedaityoussef9965]

thank you

[@drewskiintergalactic1325]

Tina Turner renounced her American citizenship and the Swiss were very surprised. I think many Americans would love to leave especially how corporate America has been treating them .

[@ricardogarcia1172]

On argentinian citizenship it is only illegal if you were born in argentina, i believe i read somewhere that if you get citizenship and you are foreigner you can renounce it.

[@hernandayala]

No. According to art. 16 of decree 3213/84 you can't renounce to argentine citizenship even if you are a foreigner

[@nomadcapitalist]

Not true, sadly.

[@erkinalp]

@@nomadcapitalist What about involuntarily being stripped of citizenship by Argentinian government?

[@MissouriCrookedBarnHomestead]

It is absolutely ridiculous for the US IRS system to be able to tax you and come after you have denounced citizenship. To be very honest, I've considered it. There is really nothing great about the US anymore, especially in regards to corporations or crypto currency.

[@sko1beer]

British prime minister gave his one up I don’t think he could avoid paying the IRS at that point 👌

[@chrislanejones]

Can't believe these countries do this.

[@toddjohnsen7996]

Irony is that I know of so many Argentines who 'renounced' to get their second passport. Go figure. ;)

[@mikepodesta4393]

Is this a technique or what? can you expand?

[@toddjohnsen7996]

@@mikepodesta4393 Yes, I mean, even though it's there law, they have no ability to enforce it. 😄 I know many people there including my ex-girlfriend that I still have contact with who maintain several citizenships.

[@gabakusa]

How can you renounce?

[@bomberospfablog]

I'm Argentinian, I did not know I could not renonunce my citizenship. But I think that what Jonna tried to say It's that there is many people here that hold multiple citizenships, mostly due to immigration from Europe. I'd say that most of those passports are either Italian or Spanish, but I know people having Polish, French and some others. I am myself capable of acquiring Greek citizenship through my father but I had not yet started the process.

[@asyongmatipid2]

You may not be able to renounce but in the vast majority of cases you can still lose it indirectly by pledging allegiance to, holding public office, joining another country's armed forces etc. though you have go through more hoops doing it this way.

[@mateusz.mirkowski]

In Poland you need to have other citizenship before renounce polish.

[@rivenoak]

if it is to avoid statelessness i get the idea.

[@GM-vt6is]

It is the same in many situations. It also becomes more complicated as some coutries do not allow you to hold dual citizenship.

[@Alextherock9]

I was wondering, if you can't renounce your citizenship, what happens to your children when you live abroad? Do they automatically get citizenship from the country you want to renounce from? Is your citizenship automatically past down to your children?

[@benz500r]

They say you can NOT quit the mafia as well. It used to be that people left that organization in a coffin or witness protection program. Having said that there are some who left on their own, but they were exceptions.

[@Tony32]

The land of the free...unless you try to leave 😁

[@rameshkrishnan5651]

Hi Andrew, request if you can make a video on Singapore (pros and cons of emigrating, doing business, etc.)

[@mohammadalimoheimani4422]

I fully support your ideas about Iran

[@lotusflowerbombmadchenvomm4343]

Super Tipps thanks for the research and sharing.

[@nomadcapitalist]

So nice of you

[@Aerodave11]

Could Elon Musk create a Mars Passport with benefits

[@lawrencematos7493]

I hear MARTIAN CHICKS Love AMERICANS…LOL..

[@sko1beer]

He is probably still holding his South African passport for tax reasons

[@GhostofTradition]

IRS will be the first to build an office there

[@fordhipo1493]

Stateless person.... you don't have an expensive piece of paper in your possession

[@heyalejandro175]

Fantastic video. Thank you

[@nomadcapitalist]

Glad you enjoyed it Alejandro!

[@tomvan1403]

VERY INFORMATIVE ! VERY GOOD !

[@Atombender]

Iran doesn't allow dual citizenship either. Alireza Firouzja is a Chess GM who was born in Iran and has been playing for France since 2021, so technically speaking, he is only a French citizen.

[@harleydavidson3756]

Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship also Spain is taxing all foreign income

[@chrisholland1504]

Spain pronounce many initiatives that simply wind up in good old Mañanaville. Whether it's launching their new multibillion euro submarine that can't actually float or collecting taxes from its own citizens with only a marginally higher efficacy than Greece. In the sleepy land of the perpetual siesta/fiesta, it's a sad fact that virtual nothing ever gets done.

[@argonunya882]

Hey andrew just for humour purpose you should have added North Korea and "NORTH KOREA LIKE" such as Turkmenistan and Eritrea (known as "north korea like" and eritrea i hear they got tax by citizenship like u.s)

[@Celevie413]

0:00 Hungary 🇭🇺 and Eritrea 🇪🇷 also have similar taxes.

[@Celevie413]

also Vatican City 🇻🇦 does NOT allow renunciation however they will automatically take yours away once you stop being a worker for the Vatican City, and automatically become an italian citizen (if losing your vatican citizenship would make you stateless)

[@keithrodgers1030]

UK has just become a prison by leaving the EU. Now it's a lot harder to live permanently in the EU

[@chrisholland1504]

I thought that a remoaner would have shown up before now. Did you spend too much time reading The Guardian perhaps with your soy latte?

[@mfsanderss]

I think Mexico doesn’t allow you to renounce, either that or there is not an official procedure to renounce.

[@andrewalmada]

Mexico does allow it’s citizens to renounce their citizenship and there is an official procedure.

[@MrMikey1273]

Mexico I recently learned allows dual citizenship.

[@andrewalmada]

@@MrMikey1273 Mexico does allow dual citizenship.

[@MrMikey1273]

@@andrewalmada isn't that what i already said??? Or are you trying to confirm it?

[@andrewalmada]

@@MrMikey1273 just confirming yes.

[@musiciansonships3898]

Yes I might have misunderstood residents vs non. I am still a resident and do pay taxes.

[@andrewrobinson2565]

I like to imagine where you really are (minus green screen). Interesting video 👍

[@pattimurphy5151]

We are taxed and enslaved here in US no matter where we go because we are Tax slaves under the 14th amendment. Renounce if you can, but get one that you can renounce also.

[@steveg6512]

Next video, keeping in the same vein, , countries that don't allow dual citizenship.

[@jameshandaja6487]

All Asian countries, basically. And most of Middle Eastern countries. Plus a few European microstates (Andorra, Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino), the Netherlands, Austria...

[@sko1beer]

@@jameshandaja6487 Hong Kong and Singapore people can have as many passports as you want so what you said about Asia is wrong same as Uk And Canada

[@microcolonel]

After moving from Canada to the U.S, I tend to think of IRS's... global outreach program, as tough love. I love it here.