Non duality is a lie

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[@TheAffrojutty]

Nothing wrong with concepts. We need them to communicate. Believing them to be true is where the problem lies 🙏 ❤️

[@mapremzareen]

Exactly. Or believing that they define us.

[@dynastyst]

Hello lovely soul. You are so on point. What do you think about apophatic approaches like nagarjuna's dialectics, which are really a lot of words to deconstruct all the lies we can spin in our heads? What did you find most useful in your journey?

[@mapremzareen]

I don’t like really wordy stuff. I’m a sannyasin and lived Osho’s dialogues.

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen Ahh... one of Osho's old hippies. That explains things.

[@finalwaveee]

The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao The name that can be named is not the eternal Name

[@mapremzareen]

And yet we need to talk about it. But let’s be honest!!!

[@jamessloan2680]

What if we accepted that there is something beyond words and thoughts or at least be open to the possibility.

[@mapremzareen]

Exactly. It’s so obvious. We even have a statement “I’m speechless!” Everyone knows there is more to consciousness than just words.

[@benlewis55]

I guess you missed it. The first thing you realize about non-duality is that it cannot be articulated.

[@mapremzareen]

Definitely. But we still gotta try.

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen You mean we still got to try to make fun of non-duality and act like a clown?

[@ggates5371]

If it can't be articulated then why talk about it?

[@CT2507]

@@ggates5371 He probably means the true state of non-duality. When reached it can only be lived, it is indescribable. But the system of non-duality, or path of non-duality can certainly be articulated. Many books have been written on the subject.

[@TheFifthWorld22]

I'm totally with you on this ​@@mapremzareen

[@ac60hz120]

Existing is so trippy.

[@mapremzareen]

😀

[@danielniros]

In 3 seconds of video I already noticed a non duality vibe coming from you, a sense of peace. Great video!

[@mapremzareen]

And hopefully a bit of fun!

[@8thdayindependentfundament454]

Preyz Gord🌠😎👍

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen Making fun of the subject places you in the category of a stand-up comedian. And is partly why you fail.

[@nunoalexandre6408]

Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at last some one "Awaken"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mapremzareen]

And a good logic loop

[@RandyStIves]

Tao De Ching. Chapter 1 1. The Tao that can be trodden is not the enduring and unchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring and unchanging name. 2. (Conceived of as) having no name, it is the Originator of heaven and earth; (conceived of as) having a name, it is the Mother of all things.

[@mapremzareen]

Right on. 👍🏼

[@julianblenkins6828]

A picture paints a thousand words

[@mapremzareen]

Yep

[@sylviacrafts6704]

yes ma'am,100percent correct! 😂

[@mapremzareen]

And also wrong at the same time. 😀

[@NomadicNirvana420]

Thanks for the satori ♥️ I can see that you have broken through the illusion! But that is also a lie

[@mapremzareen]

You got it.

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen Word games.

[@Deep_Woodz]

What concepts?

[@mapremzareen]

Any concept. 😀 thinking about a thing is not the thing.

[@Deep_Woodz]

@@mapremzareenhaha yeh. I just meant like where is the concept now

[@nsc2443]

You mean a map to the territory. A map is not the real world, and a bad map could be misleading in many ways, but still it's a only tool we can use; otherwise, we are completely lost as we are witnessing now. Btw, you got me and I do see your point.

[@mapremzareen]

You don’t need a map to find yourself. That would be like getting a map to find your home. And you’re sitting in your living room. 😀 so yeah… glad you got it.

[@nsc2443]

@mapremzareen True, but for me, I've been so brainwashed living in an extremely competitive world and by materialism that it took me years of studying and self-realization which led me to conclude that I didn't need to look outside for who I am. So, in a way, all the words and concepts could be just lies to get me where I needed to get back to. Some zen masters in Asia used to tell or ask complete nonsense bullshit words or questions to make a point that word are just words.

[@giuseppe6273]

Does free will exists ?

[@mapremzareen]

Does it matter? Free will is just a concept.

[@giuseppe6273]

@@mapremzareen if life is automatic if there isn't a doer we don't exist

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen The words themselves are a concept yes, but they are pointing towards something that is real or not real. Which is it?

[@Hermit-lo7bw]

Things happen naturally but free will is a concept most people have accepted as true without question. The belief in self-determination and responsibility is a chief cause of much unhappiness in the world. Guilt, shame, anxiety, worry, etc. are a consequence of the belief in free will. The whole notion is illogical. If I were free to choose and act as I willed it, why would I choose to think unhealthy thoughts, choose to feel unhappy feelings, and choose to act in harmful ways? Generally speaking, people believe experience happens to them, and that they are in control of their life in terms of thoughts, feelings, and actions. In the natural world, things happen the way they do because conditions make it so. What I next think, feel, or do depends on what happens next, on factors and events outside of my control. If I don’t know what the next moment will bring, how can I be certain on a moment-to-moment basis what my next thought, feeling, or action will be? Personal effort is just one link in an endless chain of cause and effect.

[@DJbraum]

This is my attempt to write words that make sense. Looks like I failed

[@mapremzareen]

I fail as well. It’s doomed from the start.

[@marti7343]

Nobody knows. The best we can do is know the past is useful to understand how to create some order and that we must plan a future because you cannot escape time. We need thoughts for that. After those things, be present and find love.

[@mapremzareen]

What matters is knowing who you are.

[@JoGamer4life]

I'm typing in words 😲

[@mapremzareen]

Exactly

[@markallinson8350]

Using concepts to get rid of concepts - Zen says this is like washing off blood with blood.

[@mapremzareen]

Yep.

[@Hermit-lo7bw]

Words are like fingers pointing to the moon. They are tools that may clarify complex concepts and communicate abstruse ideas. It all depends on the words we use, how we arrange them, and most importantly, the context in which they operate. Words through poetry or paradox are especially effective in helping seekers go beyond the limitations of words and language. They may even have the power to lead a seeker to the brink of revelation. At best, words can point toward the wordless, and all talk of nonduality is indeed conceptual but nonduality is not a concept.

[@mapremzareen]

Exactly

[@ArthurM1863]

Words were created to have a meaning other than themselves. Reality works exactly in the oposite way.

[@Taehuti]

i understand probably in some way or in some world

[@mapremzareen]

In that place without words

[@idontwhy3132]

the desire to seek things like non duality, enlightenment come from your ego. It comes from a desire to feel special

[@mapremzareen]

Yes. Much of our spirituality is!

[@RobbeyT1]

The mind being dualistic cannot understand non-duality, so everything the mind says about it is a lie, and part of the ego.. and what you wrote here is the dualistic ego too. The Only solution is to discover what you are Not.

[@asor8037]

You haven't considered that people are searching enlightenment because we are told it is the way to end suffering?

[@dougingram4183]

What a beautiful lady ❤ nice stuff lady ❤ 143

[@mapremzareen]

Or it’s a lie! Hee hee 😊

[@dougingram4183]

@@mapremzareen DaMnnnn

[@sagartmgg]

words are like sign boards . the word air isnt the actual air. but they can try to guide you to the reality .

[@mapremzareen]

They can drive us a bit crazy too… at times. 😃

[@dynastyst]

every part of reality is a sign board, a sort of interconnected representation of all the other parts, a la indra's net. partitions between such parts don't really exist, except as representations as well. this is essentially the void. there's no 'thing' that's going to be the core 'actual'.

[@sagartmgg]

Is it lie or not no one knows. But the word is definitely a lie😂. Just like the word “water” isnt the actual water.

[@TDChandrasekhar]

The last thorn to take the thorn.. is nt a lie.. the rope that binds the wood and gets burnt itself isnt a lie.. C written by C isnt a lie..steel used to dig iron isnt a lie

[@mapremzareen]

But the words that label these things aren’t the truth. They are just labels.

[@TDChandrasekhar]

So true.. as long as we are embodied and have a I ...only thing is to have our ego like the burnt rope and not a thick one..thats why its called mithya not a lie @@mapremzareen

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen Yea we know this captain obvious! All who have ever studied non-duality have understood this from the first three pages of any book on the matter. How about moving beyond the kindergarten of spirituality, stop talking about concepts and teach us how non-duality really helps and brings people to self-realization. If you can't then leave it alone.

[@gosoprano]

Are you saying that nonduality is a joke? Maybe a waste of time?

[@mapremzareen]

Not at all. This is actually one of the deepest teachings. All thoughts that come into your head are just words. Don’t get addicted to them. They go in a loop. Find your deepest intelligence beneath the words and that is the nondual state.

[@gosoprano]

@@mapremzareen I control my thoughts. I also channel source and get a telepathic connection.

[@henas7875]

Bible says: at the beggining there was a word and the word was God.

[@mapremzareen]

Is that true? Or is it made up?

[@OohsAndAhsBros]

In the Quran the verses mostly try to fight off "shirk" and that is associating anything with the one eternal creator. There are two words for god In Arabic and those are Allah and Ilah. The latter correlates more with just the concept of a god, and Allah correlates with the great infinite one due to the emphasis put on it with the first two letters. Allah also has a bunch of other names and they all pretty much use the same rule. Like one of his names is the All-forgiving. I find it fascinating that the names God chose for himself according to Quran are ones that point to nothing but him. And they do so by taking other concepts and making them infinite. But then again words are empty and people fill them however they want. Quran does also mention that most Muslims commit concealed shirk, thinking they're praising Allah when they're only praising their idea of Allah. I didn't understand what you meant in your first 15 sec video at first, but I think I get it now. The concept of Non-duality is ultimately a concept and any words thrown at it are just horizontally moving mental masturbation, even this is mental masturbation that's slightly more vertical. And Non-duality is masturbating vertically until you loop back and touch your own behind at which point you start fucking yourself and realize there was no masturbator watching anything, you were just fucking yourself all along.

[@mapremzareen]

I like that. So much “spiritual practice” is really spiritual masturbation. I’ve never heard of shirk before. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@Hergreenman]

😮

[@sylviacrafts6704]

EVERYTHING is A LLAH a bunch a LLAHS!

[@RobbeyT1]

The Quran is a dualistic lie too because Nonduality means One-ness in that there is only the One Absolute/Source/God/Allah. There IS no other (Unless you're a Polytheist). Sufi Awhad al-din Balyani stated the same, there is No other than God/Allah alone as there is no second.. so you cannot have an individual thing or person.

[@JustOneWillingSoul]

Oh THAT'S the reference to Hirk in No Man's Sky!!!!! THANK YOU!!! I was trying to figure out what they were after with that whole Hirk vs Nal lore for so long! Much appreciated! OMG your last paragraph is a masterpiece! I'm saving that one. Since using words to describe NonDuality cumes up short in the end, might as well have a sense of humor about it ;)

[@nzbtjnzbtj8162]

Or is it expressing ideas of non duality is a lie? A lie, or just a naive attempt to explain that which cannot be explained. A lie has a different meaning. I tend towards taking the one line basics, apply that to my life and not be tempted to search utube for confirmation, fast track to awakening and then make the mistake of reading the comments. Thanks for your post.

[@mapremzareen]

Meanings of words is the problem. There is an actual state of nonduality. Words keep you from it rather than point you towards it. So making jokes is much more helpful than definitions.

[@JustOneWillingSoul]

Ah brilliantly done! Just what "I" was hoping 4. Yes, there is simply no way around the fact that words fall short in trying to describe what NonDuality is pointing 2. That said, in order to communicate we have to use some mechanism, whether it's paintings or music or words -- spoken or written -- so you try the best you can, you try the best you can -- the best you can is good enough. What NonDuality points to is True. So it does not really matter if we managed to 'successfully' explain it or not. If I accidentally call a giraffe a bear, it does not change or impact the essence of what IS. There's a nice phrasing of using concepts to transcend concepts from, I dunno, Zen or some nonsense like that: one can use a thorn to remove a thorn that is stuck in one's person, and then when this is completed, both thorns are discarded. Always like that One. Very wise words to conclude. Just relax and have fun with it all. Best Regards! You have a new subscriber, or two, depending on how you look at it. ;) Sincerely, Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalena aka Yui Metal and Su Metal We Listen 2 my playn words That's all yui'll get from me - words The rest is up 2 ~yui -- Would you dare 2 let me through?? Are you brave enough?? 2 -- leave me in control?? Yui're all afraid I'm not afraid, I'm not afraid of yui! I'm not afraid, I'm not afraid anymore! I am -- a shipwreck swept ashore ~Pain of Salvation

[@mapremzareen]

And we can at least have some fun!

[@JustOneWillingSoul]

@@mapremzareen Absolutely! That's what I was trying to get across the whole time! Guess I didn't do a very good job, lol. Long, long ago I held on tight Life was all about making it Then came the time of the cold dark night Disappointment had taken it I would not have my day in the sun But at least I could have some fun! ~lyrics from Mercy Street from Testimony II by Neal Morse

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen Again with the fun... lol. It shows immaturity. How do you expect to get to the essence of non-duality when refusing to grow up!

[@nordicgardener]

I would like to put it as "non-duality is a paradox", false and true at the same time. Remember Gödel and realize that certain truths in our world cannot be realized or proven unless we step out of the system we operate in, the frame of reference we use. But even the idea of doing this is a paradox, or perhaps even a lie. But what do ”I” know? My body and identity, my thoughts and consciousness are only illusory and transient phenomena.

[@mapremzareen]

An easier way to say it is that our descriptions of a thing or our concepts of a gong are not ever the thing. But that reality and truth do exist… and they don’t need us defining them. Always remember that nonduality is in the context of realizing who you are.

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen And you have realized who you are?

[@iconicshade]

Non duality and duality only exist as concepts.

[@mapremzareen]

Nonduality is supposed to be tat space beyond concepts.

[@magicbindi]

Oh dear me…….

[@mapremzareen]

😁

[@lanych1]

If you look at the "finger" and perceive only the finger, then yes - non-duality is a lie. If you look at what the "finger" is pointing to, then no - non-duality is truth It all depends on the one who's looking

[@mapremzareen]

Yes. If you think the words are describing it then it’s a lie. 🤓

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen The words are only pointing a finger in the right direction. No proponent of non-duality has ever said that words describe it in any way. This, all who study non-duality, know perfectly well.

[@FrederiqueBertin]

Life intelligence only recognizes life . Your duality might well lead you to death without you are aware of it . Duality sits in the mind and a mind doesn't feel anything , you can cut a brain without anesthésiant, it doesn't feel anything . While your heart goes on feelings and is right away connected to life .

[@mapremzareen]

Sounds limited.

[@FrederiqueBertin]

@@mapremzareen heart deseases first cause of death . Sleep well

[@Timothy4186]

Non-duality is a theoretical construct that adherents use as an artificial overlay to their life experience. Non-duality doesn't come naturally. You have to constantly remind yourself of it, and believe it's true, because it runs completely contrary to one's life experience. It serves no practical purpose and, in fact, it's dangerous because it's just one step away from nihilism. Non-dualists are afraid of life. They are afraid to experience the beauty, texture, adventures and yes, disappointments, of our DUAL reality. So, they hide behind their non-dual gobbledygook where Hitler, a rose, fecal matter and a hot supermodel are all the same. Duality is reality: embrace it and enjoy the adventure. It is what makes our human endeavors interesting and gives our experiences relevance.

[@mapremzareen]

Nonduality is a concept for those thinking about it. It’s also a state, a lived reality… which is much different.

[@TheRealValus]

A lie - compared to what? "All comparisons are odious." ~ Cervantes (maybe)

[@mapremzareen]

It’s a pun. Nonduality means that words can’t completely describe anything. So when we are using words to say that, our words are false. Or is it true that it’s a lie?

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen You are so caught up in and entangled on the level of words.

[@ggates5371]

If all is one, then what's to stop me blaming random strangers for actions others have committed? I get it. That without up there's no down. Without inside there's no outside. But nonduality is intellectually dishonest IMO.

[@mapremzareen]

Funny. You’ll notice that people do exactly that. Blame others for everything. From people they know to complete strangers. So nothing stops them from doing that anyway. And.. it’s the nondual seekers who are all confused. Yet they keep trying to teach each other. That’s where you hear the intellectual dishonesty. The teachers aren’t confused.

[@Deep_Woodz]

The question assumes there is a thing called good and a thing called bad, and that they are seperate. This is believed because it’s also believed that there is really a person who could become better or worse in various ways. But suppose the good and the bad are an illusion because the real person is an illusion. In that case, in the illusion apparent persons appear with apparent lives, and also apparently good activities and bad activities. But none of it really has value outside of how it’s self referential illusion. So whatever is ‘creating’ the illusion is therefore free to appear however it may, having no necessity to produce any particular illusion as opposed to another. So It’s like unconditional love, which accepts whichever way things it’s appears to be. The disgust imagined at the idea that theres no good me bad IS the apparent person asserting that its reality is certainly real, not illusory. . It says “non-duality is disingenuous because spirituality is about making things better not worse”. See in this statement is the assumption that there is a “who” for whom things could become better or worse. Think like… in a dream… In a dream there can be hero’s and villains, good / evil. But when the dream ends it’s clear that it just seems real, and was within its own context, but it wasn’t actually. The analogy to self realization is that it’s like lucid dreaming. The dream is apparently happening, sometimes with hero’s and villains, but it’s not resisted in any way because it’s seen for what it is: an unspeakably free and peaceful phenomena that doesn’t have anything to do with anyone. It’s just flowing. To say see that life is a dream is not to say it’s unreal, nor is to say that it’s real. It’s just to say that both “real” and “unreal” are the same illusory dream whjch js free to be experienced as it is because there are truly no strings attached.

[@koustavadhikari8624]

Nope. I would say that it's not about truth or lie. It's like the infinite absolute consciousness cannot be explained. Once you can explain the Tao it is not tao. It's only the attempt of ego mind to understand the infinite absolute all.

[@koustavadhikari8624]

Non duality cannot be articulated. It's the state of nothingness and when we use words to explain it it's not that anymore.

[@mapremzareen]

Exactly. It’s not truth if it comes through words. So if you wanna have fun and be snarky… you can say that’s a lie.

[@FrederiqueBertin]

When you go on heart intelligence you are more intelligent than duality cause you are at full synchronicity with life intelligence .

[@mapremzareen]

Most people use heart teachings to become more lost in ego.

[@FrederiqueBertin]

so a mum loving her child uses a technique to loose her child in ego according to your teaching . I am not surprised things are so chaotic on earth and we get closed to next human being mass extinction @@mapremzareen

[@AllCanucks]

😁😆

[@mapremzareen]

👍🏼

[@danielboomers]

the biggest lie is there is not even a YOU...

[@mapremzareen]

There is a you. You actually exist.

[@danielboomers]

@@mapremzareen as what? as an idea or illusion yes. a dream character in a non solid reality. when atoms are 99,99% empty and matter consists of atoms...nobody ever proved that matter exist . you never had a thought of your own .observe it..

[@mapremzareen]

Sounds like you read that in a book. @@danielboomers

[@mikejohn2307]

Just accept what is. That makes sense to me!

[@mapremzareen]

Hopefully not in a passive way however. Life is about movement.

[@mikejohn2307]

@@mapremzareen No not passive. I mean just live life and forget all this nonsense about "no self" and everything being an illusion!

[@mapremzareen]

The problems is that, these days, our default setting is to live in delusion. We are so programmed that we can't be free without knowing completely who we are in a spiritual sense. If you simply accept "what is" you are accepting that you, and everyone else, is hopelessly programmed. Freedom is possible. @@mikejohn2307

[@mikejohn2307]

@@madolite I agree with you. I think we have evolved to cope with the world as it is. I think the main problem we have is a by-product of having a very powerful self aware brain. It is a very useful tool which can be dangerous if not controlled.

[@hermansohier7643]

Vedanta means end of words and yet all these so called teachers or non teachers are fooling them selfs and others , i think it's a big businnes

[@mapremzareen]

It's a bigger problem than many of us acknowledge. Coincidentally I recently published a video and article with my take on this. mapremzareen.com/?p=3709

[@mapremzareen]

Oh yeah... and to be clear. I don't care if a teacher takes any money. I care that they are being ineffective.

[@Embrrzz]

ty for using words to say words dont make sense as they are words.

[@mapremzareen]

It’s a loop.

[@user-yo2ki7vu7d]

It's a state to experience. Not to claim nor spoken like the Tao. It's not mind nor consciousness nor multiverse aliens god heads. It's unknown as it can't be expressed coherently. Not even good to live with it as its beyond samadi or physical death. Yes pointless to talk about it. 😂

[@mapremzareen]

Pointless and yet essential. 🤓

[@user-yo2ki7vu7d]

@@mapremzareen essential only to those who broke matrix three d and lived in multiverse and reached above infinite dimensions of onsciousness. For them non dual is there but then again it's not to live as a society as we need consciousness or it's form rather than pure awareness. Otherwise we would not even talk anything here. Also reject nihilism of non dual suddenly enlightened claimants and all must go mushin state analyser and quantum bio neuro feedback to see which state they are in, to speak of neurotheologically at least even though it's waste to demonstrate. We live in matrix and oneness is only actualised in limited areas. Karma and dharma ( truthfulness and righteousness) are essential in any dimensions be it matrix or duality or non duality. Non dual quantum field is rather a mother board root language codex that is prior to primordial consciousness. It's way different from heart coherence field. Non duality is only for those who are at a certain level but then again not to claim and rule others by spiritual narcissism nor the I god delusion. Too many words don't make nothing so I give up. Hehe good day...

[@onmywayto974]

Trying and asking too much without watching the thought already missed the point.

[@mapremzareen]

There really isn’t a point. Just a pun. Nonduality says that nothing you can say is the truth. So it’s a lie!

[@onmywayto974]

@@mapremzareen Just because you cannot see or understand a ghost doesn't mean it's not there. Saying non-dual is a lie is like saying the teachers who've taught good deeds are lying. Did you see Jesus come back from the dead? You didn't, but why would you say to Christians it's a lie? You never saw God? But is that a lie? If you don't truly grasp it please don't bash it.

[@mapremzareen]

I'm only talking about the words. Every true non dual teacher knows that the words they use to try to describe nonduality don't describe it. There's nothing wrong with trying as long as the person speaking knows that the words themselves aren't the truth. So it's a joke that they are a lie. Cause what's not true is a lie. 😀@@onmywayto974

[@onmywayto974]

@@mapremzareen Then why are you lying about it? It's to be experienced. Not to try to prove anything. You won't get it by keeping on talking about it. You're thinking too much. When a person works out at the gym, they know the growth. They can feel the growth. You don't need to think or talk about it. It's there. You can teach gym all you want, but it's up to the individual to experience it themselves. I don't know what else to tell you.

[@mapremzareen]

Exactly! I'm lying about it. And I'm lying about lying about it. Because every time I use words I can't possibly be conveying the truth. What's cool about nonduality is that it comes at truth through the negative rather than trying to say with is is. "Not Two" is a negative statement. We say what it's not, rather than try to convey what it is because that can never be truth. And in the end... the real reason I say it is because it's funny. Gotta have a sense of humor if you want to become yourself. @@onmywayto974

[@nelsoncrawford4527]

You just haven’t experienced it probably because you have no practice

[@mapremzareen]

Or I know exactly what I’m talking about.

[@soyuntioconmuchasuerte1838]

So, what is true?

[@swhite8381]

Just the fact that you think she needs a practice to understand non duality is funny . She wakes up and her practice begins 😆

[@NomadicNirvana420]

What has she not experienced?

[@whynot5757]

You don't get it, she said she's lying. Cuz everything can be said about non-duality is a lie. Even calling it a lie is a lie.

[@tamaragraf4602]

Unfortunately you’ve trapped yourself in your own prison of perception.

[@mapremzareen]

Exactly! Very perceptive!

[@user-hc5jd5cd2m]

What ? @@mapremzareen

[@tamaragraf4602]

Drink more water

[@CT2507]

"Non-duality is a lie in its very essence"? Its exactly in its essence that it becomes true. But you have to reach its essence. You can't claim something you have never experienced is false in its essence. You can only say "I have never experienced it". And I can tell you right now why you haven't. Because you refuse to let go of the false person and the mind. You try to experience non-duality with the mind and the intellect, or the false ego. And that is not possible. Non-duality is only realized beyond the mind. And then you say "even Nissargadatta said it"?? I have read all his material and never read him say that non-duality is a lie. You are only talking about your own misconceptions here. Yes, sure - on the level of words and concepts everything is a lie. But that is not the essence of non-duality or what Nissargadatta is talking about. You are making word games when you should know better than expect there to be real meaning on the level of concepts. Your attitude of "keeping things light", stems from superficiality and has a lot to do with why you fail.

[@mapremzareen]

Words can’t describe it. Because it is the experience beyond words. So any word will be false. I say it’s a lie cause that’s saying the same thing but shakes people up. You’re welcome. 😀

[@CT2507]

@@mapremzareen Yea, we all know this already! Everyone who has practiced a spiritual path and spent time on non-duality knows that words and concepts are meaningless. Saying that non-duality is a lie at its essence is not the same thing. So what if you shake people up if you can't explain the true meaning of non-duality. You can criticize it, but you can't really explain it cause it never worked for you. What's the point of knocking a viable spiritual system if you can't help others understand it? Sounds like you are just being bitter that non-duality never worked for you.

[@jeanantoinearnau]

If you are right, you says something about non-duality, you says it is a lie, of course, its a lie when you says its lie. So .. where is the lie ?

[@mapremzareen]

Or is it a lie that it’s a lie? Or is saying that it’s true actually a lie because nonduality itself says that words can’t express the truth? 🤣