Non shock protected vintage watches - Vintage Watch Repair Tutorial

[@WatchRepairChannel]

Free Recommended Oils Document: In the files section... facebook.com/groups/watchrepairlessons/ In this video we take a look at how to deal with vintage non-shock watch and pocket watch movements when performing a service.

[@serjuella596]

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[@castropignano]

I must say this Video is brilliant. It is the best I’ve seen illustrating a clear closeup of how to remove the balance spring. Thanks you for such clear instructions.

[@redbrandonk]

I'm always impressed with the patience required for watch repair. Thanks for the video!

[@DutchClawz]

It is actually really relaxing! As long as you dont break anything 😉

[@benjaminbarrera214]

Thanks, all of my mechanical watches are vintage and few have shock protection. I had been cheating by sticking an oiler into the jewel hole and hoping oil got in there but lately I've been removing the jewel like I'm supposed to. It's the only way to make sure the jewel is clean and its so much easier now to oil the jewel. But getting the hairspring stud back where it belongs, this can get extremely frustrating, especially when a balance wheel spoke blocks my view of the stud carrier. I also appreciated a refresher on oiling the cap stones. Some of these movements have several of those plates and some plates carry two or even three jewels. I practice a few times with a dry jewel until I can drop it straight in, then I oil it and install. Watching these videos, it's easy to forget how much practice is required to make it look so easy.

[@hisstorymn]

Great video as usual Mark! As a novice and completely learning much of this for the first time I would have loved to have seen the re-assembly of the balance. Of course it is just reversing the steps in its disassembly but for some of us who are visual learners and "terrified" of screwing up the hairspring it would have been great. Thank you for all you do and really loving the course!

[@christophermarousek6142]

This is awesome. Looking at your "fail", it was obvious to me that I need to up my standards! Thanks for the education.

[@goodfellow747]

This guy talks like a computer (extremely knowledgeable). I love it!! I don't know what this guys name is but his uploads are highly informative and thoroughly therapeutic. "what ever that means"!!

[@paulschumacker9901]

Thank you for a fantastic tutorial. I’ve been struggling with Waltham pocket watch movements in terms of trying to pry out the mounted capstones with the balance cock still in place. No one has done a proper video on how to service these jewels. The automatic oiler looks like it would save some work, but I think I’ll try to become proficient doing it the old way before taking that approach. This video puts me on the right track.

[@Hertog_von_Berkshire]

Fascinating. I had no idea that non shock protected bearings would be so different.

[@Royster931]

Calm and insightful explanation

[@Supercruze]

Mark - Loved this video. I am just a novice hobby watchmaker working on vintage Seiko and other various watches I collect. One thing that has worked for me on these types of non shock jewel settings is to make an impression of the entire balance cock in Rodico after removal of the balance and hairspring. Once you have done this remove the screws holding the end stone mount, clean and lubricate it. Please the end stone mount onto the impression for this piece made in the Rodico and then place the balance cock into its impression over the end stone mount which almost ensures the screw hols will be aligned without displacing the oil on the end stone mount. Install the screws and tighten and you are done. Not sure if this is the correct method but this has worked for me. Also like your suggestion of an automatic oiler for servicing end stones mounted to the main plate.

[@benjaminbarrera214]

Hey, do the same thing! One difference, after I remove the first screw I place a small piece of wire through the hole and into the Rodico, it serves as a pin to locate the screw holes when reassembling. I also place the jewel mount on the Rodico before I oil it, it stays in place and I don't have to hold it with tweezers. The only downside I can think of is getting Rodico residue on the parts. But that surface doesn't touch any moving parts, I don't think it's a problem at all.

[@1911Earthling]

All you guys are going about oiling solid balances WRONG! Where did you guys learn your craft? Geeesh. Use the oil following method on solid balances. Works perfect every time. The technique doesn’t even take much skill. You put the jewels back together dry no oil after cleaning. Balance cock is on its back with jewel screwed into place and base plate with balance jewels screwed in place. With the balance jewel oiler place a drop of oil on the hole side each assembly. THEN with the finest copper wire #44 strand that is CLEAN push the wire into the hole AND the oil will flow in between the cap jewel and the hole jewel. Works perfect every time.

[@mikewysko2268]

Facinating. That looks like a fun and rewarding project. .

[@robertlassiter907]

New sub as a result of Red Dead. Lots of binge watching now!

[@That3DPrintGuy]

what sorcery was used at 9:35 to flip the the piece over so smoothly??????....I'm sure you will say years of practise, but im sure there is some other work at play you make it look so effortless!!!!

[@BeardyBaldyBob]

Totally agree! The number of times I've tried that turn myself only to have the part ping out of the tweezer is depressing! Lol

[@catstevens5890]

Thank you so much for posting this, not sure how old this is but I’ve just started and have a seconda pocket watch without shock protection. It’s not running well and it may be my first strip and clean, re oil and fingers crossed. I noticed the jewel on the balance and two little bumps either side ?? What on earth is that I thought, pin spanner lol 😢🥴 so glad you’re doing these videos. Thank you.

[@coconutman351]

Amazing work. Keep in mind that what you are watching is greatly magnified. To see this level of precision is simply amazing. How do you keep your micro screwdriver steady when reinstalling these tiny screws? I always find the weight of the screwdriver alone causes the screw to be displaced so I tend to use a tiny pin tip to slowly rotate the screw head to get it secured then use the screwdriver to secure it. What is the best way to accomplish this?

[@sailwesterly5444]

Fantastic tip at 7:00. Great stuff.

[@1911Earthling]

That is the wrong technique for oiling solid jewel balances. WRONG.

[@1911Earthling]

Wrong technique for oiling solid balances. Use oil follower technique with super fine #44 clean wire. Works perfect every time with very little skill.

[@motor1395]

Thank you for this video Mark. I do have a Bergeon 1A automatic oiler as well as an Obama Injector automatic oiler that I will try next time. I appreciate all the time and effort you put into teaching us proper methods of watch repair. I also found some help on the Watchrepairtalk.com forum with oiling these non shock balance jewels. All the best, Norm in Arizona

[@robertcalkjr.8325]

I have a nice Obama injector with the original canister, base, and instructions.

[@allenrussell1947]

These have been a big challenge. I have several 1930s and 1940s Gruen watches and nice if them had shock protected balances. Very frustrating. These were some great pointers. I needs me one it those auto oilers.

[@1911Earthling]

What is wrong with you guys? Use the oil following technique with a #44 sized wire. Works perfect every time with no wasted effort. It doesn’t take much skill to make it work perfect every time. You guys are making extra work for your selves. No wonder you are frustrated.

[@marjoriegoldspur6798]

@@1911Earthling This "wire method" is also described in Henry B. Fried's 1949 "The Watch Repairer's Manual." Of all the billions of YewTube videos illustrating the oiling of cap jewels, I've yet to see a single one use the wire method. I wonder why this is.

[@1911Earthling]

@ I don’t understand myself I was trained in this method at watchmaking school in 1978. At that time a third of the watches we repaired normally had solid balances. My watchmaster was a student of FRIED. We were taught first to master the AMERICAN POCKET WATCH before working on modern wrist watches. Learned hairspring manipulation and the intricacies of the balance and escapement. Had to make a balance staff. Had to manipulate pallet stones. Oiling a solid balance is very easy with the method I was taught. I had to say something watching these guys mess up a quick easy job. Hope I was helpful.

[@1911Earthling]

@@marjoriegoldspur6798 I have used the wire method for solid balances , escape and train gears with cap stones for my entire twenty five year career as a watchmaker. How do modern watchmakers oil cap stones on escape and train gears on multi stone watches? I don’t understand?

[@voseAKUMA]

Thank you for posting. I learn a lot. What movement do you like personally? To work on? Why? Thank you for your time

[@Logan-ld5et]

Great video!

[@adrianbirkett594]

Thanks Mark, I never stop learning! 👍. Adrian ☘️

[@jayagbuya7271]

Thank you sir for sharing your techniques about for lubrications ,

[@watch_tester]

Thanks for the video 👍 What kind of oilers do you use (0:52)? It’s Bergeon?

[@scotth6848]

Excellent lesson Mark!! Thank you!

[@karlisok8996]

Great video, just working on a non-shocker this week! I know I displaced the oil, but it's very difficult for me to observe the result at 20x. What magnification are you using to check the oil?

[@mike44njdevils1]

Great video Mark. I've recently picked up some older Buren pocket watch movements and am fairly certain they are non shock protected.

[@dodgydruid]

I wondered what those screw jewel plates were for as I have them on my old Boctok's from the 40/50s and also my Poljot Sturmanskie Gagarin which aided me in finding the right sister watch a Sportivnie to salvage a stem from as only one particular 1st Moscow movement had this peculiar screw plate jewel in the days before the Soviets unified the various watch factories in Russia.

[@JUSTICIA-fz5ik]

You are an excellent watchmaker,could you please tell me info about repair lessons,in México It doesn't exists school about watch repair.

[@Nefville]

Excellent video. Question, where can I get the advice of a watchmaker? I have a question about the SW200-1.

[@ralphf8951]

Amazing work

[@dieper76]

Thanks for the video! 👍

[@rubyedmonds4826]

Can I put oil on the stem to help if the hands on the watch want move What kind of oil to you put on a watch stem to make the hands move that is stuck

[@robertmduckworth6566]

Finally, eleven minutes about my life today!! Thanks and cheers.

[@mawe609]

Where can i buy the special oiler like that sir??and how much? Thanks for rep

[@shushilnavsaria4515]

Is it possible to flip the balance wheel, lift up the spring, wash out the gunk, put a drop of oil and reinstall. Easy way out. Taking out screws and spring very difficult and tricky.....

[@benjaminbarrera214]

That's how I used to do it but the inside of the jewel may not be be completely clean. The oil sometimes turns to varnish and the jewel needs to be rubbed with pegwood to get it completely clean. As an experiment, I tried cleaning the jewel while it was still assembled but when I disassembled it, the jewel was still dirty. Removing the mainspring stud isn't that hard, getting it back in is the trick! I practiced on scrap movements before I tried for real. Sometimes the balance wheel spoke blocks your view of the stud and it's extremely frustrating. Getting the stud back in is a skill in itself.

[@hugeshows]

Using the index half-seated to prevent oil smearing is a clever trick

[@VintageInvicta]

Hey, I got some older Invicta’s with Unknown movements I thing from the 30’s or older because they don’t have Incablock. Can you help me out with finding out what movement they are?

[@eamonmolineux340]

Are you going to make more videos soon.

[@umutcanozturk6686]

You're watch doctor, i'll satisfying all videos and lessons.

[@machienli4947]

Is it possible to install a shock to a non shock protected bridge?

[@watchiologist8918]

Thank you for the video! Do you mean by cleaning again to put everything back into the ultrasonic cleaner?

[@charleskwan2005]

Probably cleaning the oil spot with rodico would be a better idea for time saving sakes.

[@robertcalkjr.8325]

Thanks, Mark.

[@msmalmasri2680]

Thanks you

[@sheriffnobel4274]

Thank you !

[@Gary-pc2uv]

Hi love the channel, could you please recommend and independent watch maker I could send my tired looking Citizen watch to in the uk, or could you take a look at it? Many thanks

[@Edvardpo]

Can all parts of the watch mechanism be washed in an ultrasonic machine if there is no centrifuge?

[@benfoust7424]

Speaking of vintage watches, I'm looking for information on Graysons watches. Any help would be appreciated.

[@kinklesstetrode]

Thanks again.

[@andersonguh1]

Show 👍👍👍 Excelente trabalho, perfeito 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@solstar4778]

Do you replace damaged jewels?

[@derekdm1116]

Can you help me restore my old breitling watch?

[@dodgydruid]

A video I would love to see is not how to regulate but setting the regulator and main arms initially and then which arm to move to bring the watch into beat, I managed to do it on a Poljot but a recent Slava tank auto the arms were almost to the bridge and its just something I would love to know to get the thing into some sort of timekeeping. I have heard you can do this mathematically but I don't think my poor addled brain is up to it lol The recent home build of my Vostok Amphibia I built from parts off the shelf (inspired by your "build your own watch" video) I managed to nail down to almost zero seconds a day loss and that is without a timegrapher too, all my Vostok's are nailed down to a few secs a day just by setting the time on a hour and then monitoring it over a 24 hour period and adjusting back or forth a nudge til it gets it on the nose.

[@thisisshaun1]

Great information

[@That3DPrintGuy]

The person who hit dislike on this video thought wd40 was a good idea..................................

[@blenny47]

Don't forget you need to use lots of it😂

[@Nefville]

God I worked on very large and expensive production printers and I can't tell you how many techs I trained that thought WD-40 was a lubricant. It's not. Its a solvent.

[@robertcalkjr.8325]

LOL!

[@maxlever9196]

@@Nefville Yes, take apart a gun that has been "lubricated" with Water Displacer - 40 and you can see that it is NOT a lubricant.

[@160rpm]

@@blenny47 *sustained spurting noise*

[@mohammedaubsherifn9097]

I like his videos

[@think2023]

What is the mechanism by which slight over oiling or slight mispositioning of oil degrades performance? My reasoning is that roughly the correct type amount and placement will to a degree self correct due to capilary actikn after which it will more or less stay put. How am I wrong? (And I am confidentI am wrong else you would not have made a video like this one!)

[@1911Earthling]

Wrong technique. WRONG. What’s wrong with you guys?

[@think2023]

@@1911Earthling the question why is it wrong is valid. If for instance I said bacon grease is a good watch lube...yes wrong is appropriate...but input on viscosity, viscosity index, oxidation etc woukd address the why

[@1911Earthling]

@@think2023 my way is very simple with out any problems and works first time every time no muss no fuss.

[@1911Earthling]

@@think2023 guaranteed.

[@1911Earthling]

@@think2023 AND it’s a low skill job.

[@iphoneReader9695]

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[@KevAlberta]

Nice video m8

[@aaron2709]

Great!

[@rubenmendoza5519]

Muy importante Gracias, You can put subtitles in Spanish

[@NoahFriedman]

I started using an automatic oiler after reassembling the cap jewels, and it's much easier to avoid displacement or over-oiling.

[@EscapementWatch]

lubricants are expensive!

[@benjaminbarrera214]

Taking your watch in to be serviced is even more expensive! That's why I learned to do it myself, one service would pay for a full set of watch oils and grease.

[@victorwedel894]

It is interesting how a watch works. I don't know anything about watches, I could not understand some of the words you used, but more importantly what are the tiny jewels and what are they for? Why not use lexan plastic instead?

[@جالريو]

I have Nevada watch

[@robertol2275]

now seriously, I have a Cilindre remontour, that was from my grandpa, do you know this brand? pocket watch

[@321-Gone]

7:01 - 😀

[@yvindpedersen62]

7:25 thanx for the tip! :D (Y)

[@Donkey2454]

I wish my hands were steady enough to do things like this...

[@peterbdavies]

This is why I will never be a watch maker. When you did the so called displaced oiling and it was supposedly a fail, I was thinking it looked perfect to me and far far better than any attempt I would make. If it was me it would be caked in oil and I wouldn't be taking it apart to do it again! It would be a case of that's good enough on to the next part!

[@msmalmasri2680]

Please help. I would like to know everything about the method of lubricating watches and the type of oils to be used

[@Narwaro]

I still dont understand why that thing is called “balance” in English. Its not balancing or something, its oscillating and the German word “Unruh” literally “un-still” is much more fitting imho.

[@Breakfool]

It’s to do with the weight of the wheel being balanced, similar to car tyres, there can’t be a heavy spot

[@DutchClawz]

If anyone reads this, if you ever encounter a novodiac endstone spring PLEASE just run

[@99snubby]

Just wondering if watch making is a hobby. Why don't we see ppl machining parts for upgrades and engraving and other fancy things to make watches more valuable?

[@benjaminbarrera214]

Because modifying a vintage watch makes them less valuable. There are specialists who modify expensive watches like Rolex, this is a controversial topic to say the least! Look up Blaken but be careful, you may not like what you see.

[@steveblake8766]

#795 thumbs uP

[@1911Earthling]

I don’t know where you learned watch making BUT that is the wrong technique. With solid balances you use a oil follower. It works perfect every time and you NEVER displace the oil when you screw the stones together. A OIL FOLLOWER!

[@gerards.sollie6308]

... what horror...