Nostalgia Critic - Secret of Nimh 2 (Part 2)

[@dragonkeeper19600]

"You single-handedly saved Thorn Valley!" No, what actually happened was Jenny saved the day, and Timmy helped.

[@Zaiaza]

"Helped"

[@dragonkeeper19600]

Zaiaza Eh. You know, probably.

[@Zaiaza]

dragonkeeper19600 I wish this movie didn't exist

[@papershadow]

+dragonkeeper19600 This really underlines to me how poorly they thought this out and how the movie doesn't in any way acknowledge what was wrong with the scenario. Imagine this as a cop scenario or something. Timmy is a standard investigator who gets a bunch of praise or has a big reputation to the city. Some criminal wants to one-up the face of the law, so he starts kidnapping and torturing people. Timmy has no idea what to do with a case like this, so another detective (Jenny) comes on to work with him on the case. Ultimately, Jenny puts the pieces together and they get the hostages out, while the only role Timmy has is bringing the perp in instead of leaving him for dead when the building collapses or something. Timmy then gets the press stories and such. It's not Timmy's fault that this started, but he didn't have an active role in what actually resolved the conflict, and the actual heroine has her more important contributions glossed over.

[@raijyn2452]

Didn't Timmy redirect Martin's invasion troops to not head for Thorn Valley?

[@taiasoncole8148]

You know the funny thing is. Despite them raising and praising Timmy as some sort of Messiah, HE STILL DID NOTHING. If you look closely it was Jenny who stopped his brother not him. He just stood there like an idiot, and yet he is being praised for it. Yeah lets teach our children that women can't be praised as heroes (like Mrs.Brisby and Jenny) despite actually doing work and that when you are held to high expectations do nothing and you still get a reward.

[@DarthRushy]

And Justin got the prisoners out. In fact, if you think about it, Timmy is the one guy who actually DIDN'T save Thorn Valley.

[@jackhamilton9604]

pinky and the brain, please kill that useless mouse

[@powerbeam08]

That is fucking bullshit! Why does Timmy get more approval and not Jenny?!

[@animalman57]

Timmy saved his brother from fire, so he DID do something.

[@mikabeats5088]

powerbeam08 Because... Um... She was their prisoner?... Timmy survived the plot attack from he first movie?... The statue looks pretty cool?... Ok, you know what? Timmy is the mouse equivalent of that kid in the Care Bear movie. They just tell him he's important but they can fix the problem if he can't! His destiny is that friggin key and Jenny is Secret Bear.

[@kaylabrown1216]

Critic's reaction to Marcus being the villain is so funny. I just keep replaying that scene.

[@maskedblanks7774]

Fun fact: Don Bluth himself actually once mentioned in an interview that if he had the chance to create a sequel to Secret of Nimh, MARTIN would've been the protagonist. And the antagonist? TIMMY. Makes one wonder how such a movie would've been carried out. Though since it's Bluth, it would definitely have been better than this piece of crap. =w='b

[@magnusm4]

Kazechi Yumigami I wonder. Does these animators just get to make a movie with budget then some big company takes it and do whatever they want with it? i'm having second thoughts about becoming a game programmer if some company is gonna first take my idea and change everything then take it and make dlc and sequels that doesn't have with the original twisted shit in the first place.

[@maskedblanks7774]

magnusm4 I think it all depends on the company's staff and who you work with. Don Bluth created Secret of NIMH with his own company, Don Bluth Productions, but because the film didn't do well in the box office despite having critical acclaim (due to parents thinking it's too scary for children), Don Bluth Productions filed for bankruptcy. Bluth's next hit movies were An American Tale and The Land Before Time - he collaborated with Steven Spielberg. However, he broke with Spielberg before All Dogs Go to Heaven, which did pretty well. Sadly, Bluth's next films: Rock-a-Doodle, Thumbelina, A Troll in Central Park, and The Pebble and the Penguin didn't do well. Don Bluth then went to Fox Animation Studios, and came with Anastasia. Sadly, the studio closed after Bluth's film, Titan A.E, was also a failure. Likewise, Disney did have issues before with staffing after the death of Frank Wells where Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg started to argue - leading Katzenberg to form Dreamworks, and Eisner getting replaced after he insulted Steve Jobs and his Pixar studio by claiming Finding Nemo wasn't going to be a success. Secret of Nimh 2: Timmy to the Rescue is a direct-to-video sequel, so I'm unsure how it was able to get some rights to showing Don Bluth's film on their's, though I'll assume it's because they have a lot of money. I actually wanted to be a game artist before, but I realized that if you don't have the right people with you (i.e. a programmer, a level maker, a writer, a coder, a manager, a beta-tester, etc.), or you have no connections, you really won't get far unless you're extremely outstanding with your trade. Your worries are something that does happen, and is very frequent - especially if you're not the manager or head honcho, but if you're truly passionate and want to be a game programmer: why not try making your own business? Everything is really up to you, though - I am definitely not a career adviser, and I don't know about businesses in detail. I simply state what I know, though there are a lot of things I do not know, as well. ^^'

[@magnusm4]

Kazechi Yumigami the main thing is time and my passion wasn't awoken until my first year in high school just like my artistic passion. Spent the last 3 years working on programming and drawing but people at our school still got this passion ahead and so is better. It's awful being like me where you don't realize what you like until your supposed to learn it while others get it at a younger age and so start from there.

[@maskedblanks7774]

magnusm4 That's true, yet again as I mention before - it's not too late to start a business if you find others who'll be glad to be part of a team. You could also try freelancing to get some experience, and accepting commissions for people. When commissioning, don't ever start with a high price. If you truly love what you're doing, and are passionate about making a career from it, I don't think age should be a factor to hold you back. Don Bluth started his first studio at age 42. Despite setbacks, he still continues to do what he loves, and is now age 77. Just get out there, go hard, and always give it your best shot.

[@azbrowne]

Troll in Central Park and Rock-a-Doodle. I have my EXTREME doubts.

[@_J.B.S._]

"And where the fuck is Mrs. Brisby's statue???" Good question. She may have been half scared to death in the original movie but she at least did something and actually ended up helping to save the rats. What the hell did this guy (Timmy was it?) do?

[@ItsAppleJuice]

watch the feminists come in. THIS IS SEXIST

[@_J.B.S._]

***** This has nothing to do with feminism and/or sexism. Its about rewarding someone even though he or she hasn't done anything. From the second Timmy arrive at thorn-valley people kept rewarding him even though he didn't do anything. It was just because he was this supposed "great son of Jonathan" that he was treated this way.

[@jamesb.8940]

They couldn't give him a Nobel Peace Prize, even as an encouragement to be worthy of one - so they went full Harry Potter on him instead. Martin: "Turn to page three hundred and ninety-four".

[@filmfangirls9163]

Jacke yeah! She totally kicked ass in the first film and they don't even acknowledge it! They just talk about the dad who only had a brief mention in the first movie (besides Justin helped them escape as well, where's his statue?) and Nicodemus suddenly foretells that a son is going to be a great hero?? Then he needs to do something flipping heroic!!

[@ilopominecrafter]

Jacke i sadly can answer that: mrs.brisby's statue and credit is in the yard of forgotten or destroyed icons. Check it out

[@spikeharusame]

"What sick, twisted brain would come up with something so STUPID!?" ... M. Night Shamalan

[@maxmarkel1794]

it all makes sense, it has a crappy twist ending, bad writing, crappy misdirection of a beloved source material, it all makes sense

[@alechendrickson5526]

I'm sorry but not even M. Night would make a twist like this. This is more stupid then anything he's done. I guarantee.

[@spikeharusame]

***** Then perhaps the writers of Teen Titans Go?

[@alechendrickson5526]

spikeharusame A possibility.

[@erinmadden3619]

Fun fact Doug origanally had a cutaway with shamalan when he yelled that phrase

[@Carium1]

That twist wouldn't be so bad if they played on the jealousy factor, if Martin because extremely jealous of the praise Timmy has so he gets himself captured to boost his intellect so as to destroy him and the rats. Even using the humans as slaves to do it for him. Another interesting twist would've been if the prophecy was made up to give the people hope if anything bad did happen, so as keep their minds off the possibility of extinction, but no.

[@Link504]

Carium Interesting ideas you have there. Also, interesting avatar.

[@Carium1]

quite

[@DainnGreywall]

Carium If it was jealousy, it would still have been a self-fullfilling prophecy which wouldn't have happened had it not been there at all.

[@Carium1]

yeah but if they made the prophecy up from the get go to bring hope to the rats it would've made more sense especially if they revealed that towards the end in front of martin

[@hinasakukimi]

Dainn Greywall self-fulfilling prophecies aren't necessarily bad though. if done right, they can actually be quite poetic and tragic. they wouldn't have even needed to have martin be zapped by electricity, he could've quite easily driven himself insane just thinking over the prophecy of glory for his weaker younger brother.

[@QueenCheetah]

This movie could have been awesome if they had left out pretty much the entire first part- they could've had BOTH Martin and Timmy be sent for training, and while out in the forest Timmy could fall into a metal trap, with Martin figuring a way out only to be trapped himself. Martin then would be taken to NIMH while Timmy, full of guilt, tries to rally the others to join him in getting Martin back. But they're all afraid of NIMH and Timmy has to journey alone. He finally makes it to the city but can't find NIMH, until he runs into Jenny- a street-tough city mouse who has also lost friends to NIMH. They both make it to the lab only to find that Martin has gone insane and is rallying the other animals to revenge against humanity with... science-y stuff? Maybe they can all carry rabies, whatever. And then Timmy has to kill Martin to save the others. Or at least maims him. Whatever. The end!

[@SuperFanboy101]

Now THAT should've been the sequel instead of this piece of crap!

[@arcticprowl971]

QueenCheetah If I was the director I would be making the check out to you because that is brilliant!!

[@trashcatsnark]

Why does being an evil genius give the mouse a british accent?

[@therandoomgamer288]

SCIENCE!!!!

[@Swordflash4]

Mariah Osborne What do you think that says about British people? o.o

[@joeskys2362]

Swordflash 4 I blame Voldemort he started all the evil in Britan then it escalated from there

[@Getoffmearse]

Mariah Osborne Originally the typical evil genius/mad scientist had a German accent (Dr. Frankenstein obviously), but then I guess the British accent seemed to become the generic Mad Scientist voice. My guess is that Tim Curry had a lot to do with it. Then Vincent Price would throw in the British accent every now and then.

[@KawaiiKaabii1993]

+The Randoom Gamer ...Dexter?

[@KangaKucha]

I wish the part where he askes why the mad scientist are turned into dogs, he added a sound bite to answer with either words on the scene, a pic of a mad scientist, or a clip of valentine looking like he says it. That sound bite should be simply SCIENCE from the song blinded me with science. It just would have lifted that scene up.

[@ObaREX]

To the movie's credit, that was a nice twist. Making Martin the villain. It was just... executed so poorly. The movie could've been awesome but... wasn't.

[@TXFDA]

Is it bad that I actually like the fact that out of nowhere, the brother is the bad guy this whole time? It's something you actually don't see coming, but does KINDA...SORTA...almost make sense considering all the shit at the early parts of the movie with everyone essentially saying he's not good enough and his brother is automatically better. Seems like a good reason for a villain. At least it's different than just generic bad guy. Also, serious question here. Can SOMEONE PLEASSSSE explain to me why cartoons show characters locked up, either in a cage, or a jail....but make the bars so goddamn far apart that the character could easily escape? I don't understand why it'd be so hard to draw the bars closer together so it doesn't look fucking ridiculous. Even modern cartoons do it still. Also, shitty movie or not, you still have to give props to the people doing the art and animation. Even if it's not quite up to the first movie's quality, it's still good. Drawing a character and background is hard enough, but add in having to animate that and damn. Hell, even the animation in the shittiest of movies that Doug's reviewed is at least decent enough to be passable. Animating isn't easy, and the fact that someone actually put in quite a bit of effort to at least make the movie LOOK good deserves some respect for them. Maybe not everyone, but at least the people doing the art and animation. Besides, the backgrounds in this are actually pretty damn nice in some places. (Keep in mind I'm talking about the 2D animation. Not any 3D animated movies. 3D animation is a whole separate deal.)

[@BvousBrainSystems]

+TXF The only really lazy animation is poor 3D, and even then it takes a lot of manhours to make 90 minutes of it. As a learning artist, I have respect and interest even for the shittiest hand drawn animation, because I kind of see what it took to make it; however, animators are accomplished artists, I think they don't feel effort the same way that we do: they work way under their skill level, so they can quickly put out a great quantity of drawings that look hard to us but are actually easy for them. Kind of like if I was to draw a thousand stick figures: sure there's a lot of them, but it's easier than what I'm used to so it takes no effort.

[@TXFDA]

BvousBrainSystems They feel effort the same way...but different. The thing is, as you said, their skill level needs to be considered. They have the same kind of problems every other artist has, just at a different skill level. Someone that does character animations for a living may have huge problems drawing backgrounds. People that do the backgrounds may not be able to draw people. No matter how good you get, things like anatomy, and hands can still be a problem. Plus a person's skill set is always growing. You may suck at something now, but in a few weeks or months, you might not be too bad at it. But then you'll have something else you need to get better at. And even professional payed artists are the same way. Always learning something new, or having trouble with certain things. I know someone personally that sells quite a bit of art and makes a decent amount of money at it, but they still have trouble creating backgrounds on traditional paper with markers and things. They're too used to Photoshop and being able to undo and erase/fix anything. Not to mention layers. Which is a fairly large problem for them when they get a booth at a convention and draw traditional art for money. But yeah, as for animation. No matter how shitty the animation, it still deserves SOME respect. Unless it's shitty flash tween animation..in which case even I could do that. But if it's like, properly drawn frame by frame animation and stuff, that shit 'aint easy. It's hard enough drawing a single frame and making it look right. Having to re-draw that same frame over and over again, but slightly different, and still keeping it consistent. And then doing that hundreds of times per show or movie. That's gotta be hard as fuck. I know I couldn't do it. Even if the animation is considered 'sub-par'.

[@papershadow]

+TXF I think the big issue is that the focus was on Timmy the entire time not really doing anything. At least looking at what was included in the review, I didn't get resent out of Martin while speaking with Timmy. Maybe a bit of jealousy, but not the kind that would lead to outright evil behavior. It needed some other things in there to make the twist feel believable, like maybe Martin saying he's going to keep working himself as an offhand sort of playful remark when Timmy leaves. Take out the letter from Mrs. Brisby about him disappearing so you don't basically tell the audience "remember Martin is going to have a role somewhere", and it makes the twist feel a bit more organic.

[@Lamelaff]

Sooo... Everything Mrs. Brisby did in the first movie was ignored, and Jenny was the one truly saving the day in this movie, but didn't get any credit at all. Sexist much?

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

+Lamelaff Just removing Mrs. Brisby from the original story in the retelling with the stupid prophecy and all already rated this damned movie as sexist for me. It seems they're pandering exclusively for boys, as Jenny, as you well pointed out, is ignored and they say that Jimmy saved Thorn Valley by himself. That's really disgusting, especially considering that in the original they made Mrs. Brisby into a regular housewife, so as to show that a regular person can overcome great obstacles through courage and strong will (both of which she has to spare). It's the same problem I have with the negative reactions Maleficent got. I don't get it! The "true love at first sight" between Sleeping Beauty and the Prince is as unrealistic as it can get. It works in a purely fairy tale environment because the purpose of the fairy tale is not saying that true love conquers all, but goes far deeper than that. The twist they put in the story was brilliant: even though some people might disagree with me, I do believe there's no truer love in the world than that of a loviong parent to her or his child.

[@SirBlackReeds]

+Lamelaff To be fair, Jenny's just a mild redesign of Timmy. She could be mistaken for him, no?

[@SirBlackReeds]

+Alexandre Martins The problem with Maleficent is that she's supposed to be a villain, not a tragic villain.

[@alexandresobreiramartins9461]

+jacoblgames Well, I see no problem in rewriting the story to make her into a hero and the king into the villain.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Alexandre Martins It completely goes against her character. She's supposed to be an evil fairy.

[@njintau]

You know they could've salvaged the Martin going insane story arc by having Martin blame Timmy for not rescuing him sooner and have Timmy explain that the pressure of being the hero was too much and that he was never meant to be the hero after all. You could've had this whole "Martin becoming the evil that tortured him to survive" sub plot, which would've made him more of a three dimensional character and have him die in the end since he was beyond redemption. The victory would've been bitter sweet for Timmy and we could end with him making some stoic speech about everyone who died because Man's evil or some shit.

[@Zaiaza]

Sadly they aren't smart enough for that..this movie was made by two year olds.

[@lwanco1018]

njintau That's a really good idea.

[@raijyn2452]

Well you got dark real fast

[@spikeharusame]

"they put a bandage on his head" that or they gave him some sort of non-lethal lobotomy

[@Rosebunse]

I can't imagine why they didn't include that part. To be honest, as a kid, I figured it was some sort of brain surgery or something. That being said, could anyone imagine the literal months of therapy that would be? Seriously, and you know he would still be acting crazy when they got him to Thorn Valley. So Timmy would have to live with his crazed, very ill brother for months.

[@sarahmcmann5253]

Rosebunse yeah maybe they didn't want the viewers to see a character to have brain surgery considering the fact that it's a kids movie

[@ChrisMolyneaux93]

Wait. If Dr. Smith helped to write the plot of this movie, then how come Martin's evil plan didn't involve a giant legion of SPIIIIIIIDERS?

[@GabyGeorge1996]

because Dr. smith had to use that plot device for Lord Of the Rings 3

[@DarthRushy]

Gaby George And the Hobbit 2.

[@Jaceblue04]

Who directed this movie, M. Night Shyamalan?

[@lucasbell4831]

Is that just the first bad director you thought of? That would be like if I thought Independence day was made by Michael Bay, just because of the action and explosions.

[@Jaceblue04]

Lucas Bell No, I thought of him because the kind of plot twist this movie gives us is right up Shyamalan's alley.

[@lucasbell4831]

Yeah, because he does animation...

[@Jaceblue04]

Lucas Bell That's not the point.

[@raijyn2452]

Wouldn't surprise me

[@MrLaxdude89]

I never watched Secret of Nimh but I'll assume this is just as insulting as Neverending Story 3, and that movie made my balls explode from anger.

[@AdelioNightstorm]

It didn't butt-rape the previous movie as much as Never-Ending Story 3 did to the original material, but compared to Secret of NIMH, this is pretty bad.

[@MrLaxdude89]

AdelioNightstorm Well to be fair I don't know how you can stoop lower than a flying Scooby Doo and a giant singing Fred Flintstone, or what that movie called, Falcor and the Rock Biter.

[@AdelioNightstorm]

Personally, I think Never-Ending Story 3 is one of the worst sequels ever. They completely ruined Falcor and Rock Biter. But at least that movie had *something* to do with the original Never-Ending Story (albeit not very much). Secret of NIMH 2 practically erased everything from the first movie and put Timmy in the lead. But yeah, I agree with you, NES 3 was the lowest of the low.

[@MrLaxdude89]

AdelioNightstorm It seemed to have just as much to do with both. Changing both the appearance, logic, barely acknowledging the original plot

[@joyunicycle]

I just saw Secret of Nimh and the sequel is a huge insult and completely disregards the main character of the first movie and simplifies the returning cast.

[@Powered1Buttercup]

Why did Martin suddenly had a different voice and a british accent??

[@klimmr]

Because he was taken over by the aliens in Stephen King's Dreamcatcher?

[@LordMoonshadowGaGa]

klimmr3021 Shit Weasels.

[@Linkfan001]

The movie, from what I can see, is stupid. However, it is not really surprising that Martin would be driven to madness by those projects, no one coming to his rescue, and the fact that he got upstaged by his pathetic sibling. A simple villain excuse, sometimes a commentary on the treatment of people, but poorly executed here.

[@Rosebunse]

You forget that he was also tortured and brainwashed.

[@Linkfan001]

Rosebunse That was implied in "projects," but yea. It makes sense he was a nutter.

[@Xyronflare]

Linkfan001 I see what you mean, and I actually see the "Martin as the bad guy" as a plausible possibility. Everything that made him turn into what he is explained in the song. Not to mention that, as you said, he was actually better at everything than Timmy (which is mentioned at the beginning of the movie), but he was still pushed away because his wimpy brother was actually chosen one or the like .And during all those years suffering though experiments and growing into a twisted maniac, he was actually able to outsmart the scientist and star his own ruling. Sure, having him look like Jeremy Irons in the Dungeons & Dragons movie might've been weird, and the movie itself isn't salvageable even with that. But at least you could go "Well, I should've seen it coming" when Martin appears as the bad guy. We all know that the Scooby Doo movie doesn't have that possibility.

[@criesincowboy9629]

That villain song is batshit insane. Also,that Pinky and the brain parody was on point.

[@marcdrayer2122]

And Martin saying "Join me, and we will rule Thorn Valley!" What does that remind me of? The only thing missing is "Timmy, I am your father!"

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

+Marc Drayer That's what I was thinking of! I kept waiting to see if it would get brought up.

[@isaiahwilliams2642]

This review gets better once you've seen the original Don Bluth film.

[@megaboss8140]

So like, half of us.

[@jessiebeck1179]

Whenever I hear "Just Say Yes", for some reason, I picture Darth Sidious in this.

[@hinasakukimi]

i think it would have been FINE to have timmy put on a pedestal with the whole prophecy business, it provides conflict for both timmy and martin. however, the problem is how they executed it. they treated it like ~timmy was in the wrong for not living up to everyone's expectations, when really, they were all in the wrong for putting so much pressure on him. even harry potter (which doug mentions) - one of the most famous 'the chosen one' stories - acknowledges the pressure and inner turmoil and sometimes over-confidence it causes in harry and that's part of why that series is so good. this film is like, nah, that's TOTALLY okay to do that to a child and it's their fault if they don't act accordingly, and timmy is glorified through the entire thing and ends it having done nothing and is worshiped all the more for it. the thing is, treating a kid like 'the chosen one' is fucked up, but it's completely okay to have this narrative as long as the movie acknowledges just how fucked up it is. and don't even get me started on this movie's treatment of mrs brisby. and all of the complexities and social commentary and the forlorn, dark tone of the first fil- you know what, im gonna end it there. it doesn't even need all those things to be a decent sequel, of course people would still complain but like... it only needed a decent story. that's it.

[@hinasakukimi]

Anon Anonymous ahhhhhhh

[@LLydarth]

+hinasakukimi Childcare tips from Snape. Have at least one person tell him he's just a talentless brat + challenge Martin to make a potion he's not sure how to then feed it to his pet.

[@BigBossTooN]

I just realized something. What's so special about the rats of NIMH talking, reading, and doing other human like things when it seems other non rats can do the same? The only two non rats that talked in the previous flick were Jeremy and the Great Owl, but in this flick it looks like all animals can talk, understand the value of money, can make clothes, and do other human things. Did NIMH unleash something into the air that made more animals smart? Is this Rise of the Planet of the Apes? Although it doesn't seem to be all animals for some reason. Kinda weird for the first and second movie.

[@breakfastMcgull]

It mostly has to do with the fact that the rats of NIMH are far more intelligent and have progressed more than the other creatures.

[@BigBossTooN]

Just cause they built a city or two? Still seems kinda weird.

[@breakfastMcgull]

I see your point, Timmy to the Rescue is pure garbage; no connection to the original or Racso and the Rats of NIMH(the sequel to Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of Nimh). But in the book, it does mention that the rats are educating the other rats to read and perform basic math.

[@BigBossTooN]

You know, as amazing as the original is, it would be kinda neat to see a Rise of the Planet of the Apes type sequel movie to The Secret of NIMH. Mostly quiet, good cgi work, and a great tale about the rat's escape and beginning. I know it doesn't matter, but I'm sure people said that about RotPotA, too.

[@breakfastMcgull]

In the book, it gives out more details to how the rats beings captured and how they escaped NIMH; so if they ever remake it, I hope it goes in the right hands and they could make the NIMH scene far more better.

[@nonyodambiz]

I just saw the Secret of NIHM before this review, and the film was fascinating, beautiful storytelling, wonderful animation, extraordinary premise, It is was and always will be a timeless animated masterpiece. And as you can expect after I saw this review, I felt sad, I honestly felt sad how much this movie FUCKING RAPED the previous movie and how much it doesn't care! Also how DARE they have the BUALS to completely ignore Mrs. Brisby and all of her sacrifices!!! Fuck this Movie!!! FUCK THIS MOVIE FOREVER!!!

[@SirBlackReeds]

+Flick The Kid It didn't. You shouldn't feel like that at all. At worst the sequels strip-mined the original.

[@darkzombiproductions7756]

I have to agree, this movie is awful, I saw the first film a bunch of times, brilliant characters, development, animation and there isn't a stupid prophecy, it was a mother of 4 going on a journey that could've killed her and when I saw the sequel and noticed ms. Brisby only had one scene and was remembered as Jonathons widow, I went nuts, my parents didn't care about what I did to the dvd I had

[@banananutduckbread1279]

Holy damn. I remember watching this when I was eight, and my mind was fucking blown when I saw that Martin was the antagonist. And it's still surprising for me even today

[@Samuel-b]

It's absolutely hilarious how the evil martin in the latter half of this movie is voiced by sir robin himself, eric idle lol.

[@Dill_Pickle1997]

i was expecting shyamalan to have written that twist, but Dr Insano? No way

[@AnimaticsNonsensica]

I just keep watching the Timmy and the Brain part over and over again.

[@LuizAntonio-zs7ko]

The evil brother plot twist seems pretty cool actually. The main character being worshipped before doing anything, not so much.

[@papershadow]

You know, seeing this review again, there are 2 other main characters they could have made a better story out of. - Martin as the unnoticed son, whether it's still his descent into madness or Bluth's proposed idea of Timmy being the villain. - Jenny. She escapes from NIMH without her parents and tries going to Thorn Valley to get help from the rats or this supposed Chosen one. She gets there, finds out he's not what he was built up to be (through no fault of his own admittedly), and decides with help or not, she has to be the one to save the others still trapped in NIMH. That's what gets me the most about this film, even without knowing the original (need to see it at some point): on top of sloppy and half-baked writing for the main plot, it had two other potentially great plot ideas that were completely ignored and honestly had more interesting personality and backstories despite being secondary at best in this story.

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

you should be a writer. please. You have so much potential.

[@LoryskaEntertainment]

This was on TV the other day...right as Martin was revealed to be the villain. It was...surreal.

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

I especially love the part with Insano coming up with the idea and Dr. Smith commenting that it was an idea of genius!

[@Blazenix1]

I love how when Martin turns evil he automatically has a british accent. (is british) LOL

[@SCHRABWOOT]

AND WHERE THE FUCK IS MRS BRISBY'S STATUE? GOOD FUCKING QUESTION! >:( :(

[@AnvilPro100]

Gotta love that ending with the Care Bears

[@tolchok89]

You know, I was cackling along with the two mad doctors when I first saw this.

[@joeywomer]

Geez, evil Martin looks and sounds like a bad Teddy Ruxpin villain.

[@lwanco1018]

7:22 But he does sometimes say stuff like: "I'm going to take over the world" or "I'm gonna kill my brother" or "I really wish I was still insane" or "Oh my god we left all those scientists in the fire to die, aren't we going to do any thing about that...what do you mean we have to wait 10 years before looking for them!?!" but we don't have to worry about any of that.

[@Unqualifiedmedicalperson]

Don Bluth said that if he made the sequel he would've made Timmy the villain instead of Martin.

[@megaboss8140]

Interesting.

[@trueloveis4u]

it would have made more sence to me

[@diegobareno5820]

Why Timmy?

[@filmfangirls9163]

AleqsH interesting!

[@Mr.0.Ramses]

Ah, yes and don't forget the SPIDAAS

[@chidorisnake22]

And Dr. Insano. Lol

[@TheSteelStallion]

And now they're on about remaking the first into a CGI/live action hybrid.

[@sarahmcmann5253]

Let these parts of Martin being evil haunt your nightmares for weeks

[@samuraifighterchick1456]

I remember having to read 'Secret of Nimh' in 2nd grade to get to the 3rd grade for Summer Reading and being ENTHRALLED with Mrs. Brisby's work. And she doesn't get any praise for saving her son from dying?! The fuck?!

[@louisduarte8763]

That rewrite of the "Pinky and The Brain" theme song never fails to make me laugh.

[@HybridJack4a1]

Well, it's good to know that Doug has friends on the Death Star.

[@grandbean9031]

Honestly the only one thing i liked about this movie,was the plot twist of his brother turning evil cause of his brother being praised and all,it was the only redeaming factor in the movie

[@basketbomberslackingson4417]

I have been watching critic for 3 hours nonstop now

[@JunKazamaFan]

The moment I heard "A mouse with scientific abilities trying to take over the world.", I knew what was coming. Thanks so much for not disappointing, Critic!

[@TrueWhovian82]

You did such an ample job at insulting my childhood and I must say if you didn't do it so hilariously I might just be mad

[@AxelWedstar411]

Funny how the only thing Critic has a problem with is the one thing about this move that I didn't mind. Martin being the villain was a great idea. Timmy's whole world has been turned upside-down. It's like something out of Star Wars. Having said that, they could have picked a better voice for the guy. And what's with the 3rd act introduction? The big bad should not be in less than half an hour of the movie.

[@ilike2fly71]

but there is no set up or reason to have martin be the bad guy. It is like they drew that idea out of the hat

[@DarthRushy]

I wish I had that "dunno experiments" chair thing Martin had...

[@gageperuti5519]

0:36 Here's another question: Where's the real Great Owl? It's never explained or brought up.

[@thesterndragoon9159]

I feel like this film tried SO hard with such strong material that it came off as chaotic, rather than the powerful "coming of age" and "envy of stature" tropes it set up. Martin being better suited at first but Timmy getting all the glory for doing nothing is a perfect set-up. The village rats basically destroyed both of those children by placing the shackle of destiny on them from dual angles. Almost "the Prince and the Pauper" meets Star Wars. I can't bring myself to hate the film, but I truly wish they had been able to pull off the "Forged/Forced destiny" angle the way they wanted to. This movie had ALL the right puzzle pieces to be even greater than the original Secret of Nimh, but it fell short and dropped nearly all of them in the sloppy reveal/weak time passage and forced character interactions.

[@DarthRushy]

Funny how they give extra credit to Timmy even though he's actually the ONLY person who didn't save Thorn Valley. I mean, Jenny came to warn them, Jeremy flew them there and back, Justin broke out the mice and organized the escape, Martin took down NIMH...

[@daughterofbastet]

@Mirielable o.O Do you have more than two arms? Because I only have one left arm, and the other is on the right. Bilateral symmetry works wonders for efficient locomotion, let me tell you.

[@billyhermen2633]

This is similar to how I feel about the teen titans (the anime one) turning into "teen titans go"

[@droddfellow3926]

Mr Owl, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

[@sarahmcmann5253]

So basically the rest of Secret of Nimh 2 became a lost episode of Pinky and The Brain

[@filmfangirls9163]

Sarah McMann oh how we all wish lol

[@sarahmcmann5253]

Janice Ivester Yeah at least Pinky and the Brain so much better

[@filmfangirls9163]

Sarah McMann amen to that!!

[@sarahmcmann5253]

Film Fangirls hallelujah

[@TheDarbydoo]

what i find absolutely amazing is that he went from american to british

[@DarthRushy]

I've only seen this review of the movie(not the movie itself), but Martin's song is STILL stuck in my head!!! I began to grrroooow, little did he knoooow...

[@chrisrisk892]

exactly, Jonathan brisby, Timmy both are on the statue, but where is Mrs. brisby on there? rather rude

[@sananaryon4061]

If I had to make a sequel to Secret of Nimh, I'd put it many years after. So many years, the events in the original movie were just faded memories

[@Quizlet89]

It bugs me how much that guy at 4:07 sounds like Lemongrab (I think he was also in the Battlefield Earth review).

[@Umbra_Magna777]

Haha he does XD

[@diegobareno5820]

The Timmy, The Timmy and the Brain Brain Brain Brain, Brain Brain Brain Brain.

[@DarthRushy]

Can someone tell me why Martin being the villain is so implausible(never saw secret of nimh)?

[@devonmolina9099]

Question: What the crap happaned to the scientest dogs, or everyone else?

[@grobanlover292]

The mouse is a mad scientist? what sick twisted brain would come up with something so stupid? PINKY AND THE BRAIN BRAIN BRAIN BRAIN!

[@DarthInsomnis]

I will say this movie had a good twist, in that I couldn’t believe the horrendous shit that they tacked on to the last third involving Martin

[@mhollis1989]

LOL at the end. "I don't even CARE what it is!" ?Did someone say 'Care'?" >GROOOAAN!!

[@thetuftedpuffin1025]

This was actually one of my favorite movies as a kid....

[@stevenway6983]

Doug's facial expression at 01:30: hilarious!

[@SirBlackReeds]

Visually speaking, Evil Martin is an evil version of Nicodemus. No mention of that huh? Martin being evil is a good twist, just not well-executed. They went with a comical insane instead of a more serious one. It's really not like Pinky and The Brain. The sequel wasn't butt-raped, it was strip-mined.

[@4getfulness16]

I love the Star Wars reference at the end :D

[@altarush]

I agree witb you. I love the Secret of NIMH. It was so beautifully animated and Justin is so cool.

[@jedimarhwini948]

And just when I was going to make the Pinky & the Brain reference.....TIMMY AND THE BRAIN BRAIN BRAIN BRAIN!!!

[@devonmolina9099]

Wait, what happened to the scientests? Are we supposed to assume that they burned to death in the fire? That's pretty dark.

[@Mixxan]

Devon Molina Nah he left out the part where the fire department arrived and rescued them. Convenient escape!

[@Pizzarugi]

I've noticed a LOT of sequels to popular movies are always quickly hashed up to make a quick money grab. Atlantis 2 sucked ass, Ferngully 2 was worse and we already saw what happened with Secret of Nimh 2. There are some movies that don't need a sequel, no matter how much fans ask for it. It's always gonna turn out to be shit.

[@SirBlackReeds]

+Matthew “Pizzarugi” Barker Milo's Return is a compilation film. It's composed of episodes for a rejected TV series. Also, Don Bluth and Gary Goldman once spoke of sequel ideas for Secret of NIMH. They mentioned making Martin the hero and Timmy the villan.

[@goldblaze93]

For the compilation films part, they did that too with Belle's Magical World. It was also a rejected TV series.

[@1MrDonCarlos1]

Where's major bison for the "Of Course!" line when you need him....

[@victorm152]

that or it turns you into Thor's stepbrother Loki... "How desperate are you? to put your faith in such lost creatures?"

[@HardRock2Day]

Damnit. I see a mouse on screen but all I can picture in my head is Eric Idle in a recording booth.

[@andrewandreski2659]

3:32 I could have sworn the song just said "fucked up lies" the first time I heard it.

[@oliverfalk2635]

When you said the voice was eric idle and he started singing, i started to think about "bright side of life".

[@kutless45]

You know, if Dr. Insano really did do this, it would totally make sense.

[@cloudybitbit6]

"Did someone say care?" Critic: AAAAAAAAARRGHHH!!!

[@JonathanRossRogers]

It's very sad. Both "The Secret of Nimh" and "Pinky and the Brain" are among my favorites, but they shouldn't be combined.

[@Lucios1995]

Eric Idle apparently played Pinky's mom and dad in Pinky and the Brain, what a coincidence.

[@cassiebrey5017]

This movie must be on Ralph M.'s "bad movie" list because... wow. He's one of my favorite actors and this is just not what you would expect from him, I mean, he's freaking Ralph Macchio, the Karate Kid, Johnny Cade, so many things, and this is what happens when they make another one of these movies? It goes on his list of "this never happened so don't mention it" list, if that exists? Well I still love him as an actor and i'll just forgive him for this.

[@Pooky1991]

I'm surprised he never mentioned how the one song ripsoff American Tale. The crazy thing is its not only dumber and worse than the brilliant 1st movie, but is unintentionally darker at the same time.

[@darkzombiproductions7756]

I like the Dr.Insano cameo

[@jtib5968]

What really got me about this film is what they did to Brutus. The phenomenal halberd wielding creature from the first film was reduced to... ugh...

[@pikapika508]

Well, as far as the animals and money thing goes, he is a crow and they do like shiny things... thats the only connection i can make.

[@DarthRushy]

I wonder if Doug/The Critic knows that the guy who made the first movie actually thought about doing a second one with Timmy as the bad guy and Martin as the hero...

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

You know the bit with Martin is actually sad when you consider the fact that he and other animals were experimented on by doctors and scientists. All of his evil deeds are partially the result of getting his brain fried through electroshock and gosh knows what other types of scientific/medical approved abuse. The sad thing that does happen in real life via the pseudoscience professions of psychology/psychiatry.

[@filmfangirls9163]

Ya know I feel like Martin's disappearance and the letter Timmy receives should've been a lot more important! Should've shown him getting letter and maybe become more cold and a fighter with the goal to save his brother. I'd enjoy that now! If he didn't sing lol

[@raijyn2452]

0:32-0:39 here's a better question, where did all the animals get all that money to begin with?

[@joseloreto4284]

The First film made more sense than this. I'd rather stick to the real one by Don Bluth. Infact, I'm glad Don is returning to the animation world. He'll be working on The Dragon's Lair film.

[@goldblaze93]

7:59 That's what I was asking myself too during this review.