Nothing 2a See Here!

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David go off the deep end. First they go over Universal Music Group pulling its music from TikTok before getting into some of the teasers for the Nothing Phone 2a. Then they dissect Mark Zuckerberg's review of the Apple Vision Pro line by line before wrapping it all up with trivia. Enjoy!
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:04 WVFRM Trivia Website
03:54 KZbin A/B Testing
07:39 UMG vs TikTok
21:32 Trivia Question
21:51 Visible (Sponsored)
22:51 Nothing 2a
38:56 Trivia Question
40:07 Ad break
40:10 Zuck Reviews Vision Pro
01:18:35 Trivia Answers
01:27:29 Outro
Links:
Howie Adderly Trivia Website: www.wvfrmtrivia.com/
Dylan Roussel Nothing 2a: bit.ly/48iP9aw
Nothing Phone Teaser: bit.ly/3ULA7qH
TikTok vs UMG: bit.ly/48f6pNP
Mark Zuckerberg Reviewing Apple Vision: bit.ly/3uCFKNk
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[@charlesdamien5849]

Call for Taylor Swift to be on the waveform podcast for... Research purposes

[@nexusyang4832]

I wonder what her typing speed would be…..😅

[@_daniel.rad_]

Waveform podcast (Taylor's version)

[@_daniel.rad_]

on the way home I wrote a poem, you say, "What a mind" This happens all the time....

[@suprememedjai4433]

No

[@JustXavier]

I want beyoncé to make a random appearance

[@brandonmalin4178]

Andrew's f-bomb being visually blepped with a mechanical keyboard is the attention to detail I love about this podcast

[@shiverpoolcody]

They were busy with this huh?

[@Squirrel10101]

Time stamp?

[@Pocketless]

17:34

[@iambear.6526]

@@shiverpoolcody You were busy with this comment?

[@The_Silver_Lurker]

RGB LED notifications were the unspoken headphone jacks of older phones. It was bright, but subtle. Easy to see from a distance and easily customizable. I had custom colors loaded into a MIUI ROM that also supported custom flash rates for the LED. Slow blink red for email, fast blink red for KZbin, slow blue blink for texts, green for Facebook messenger, etc. Good times with my R2D2 Droid 2.

[@_abdul]

1:05:51 : Zuck is getting trained with his use of words by all these frequent Congress hearings. And he has gotten real good.

[@trunkslion7391]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@babylonian]

i would pay a thousand bucks for the unedited version of this episode LOL

[@memeboooiiii]

this is slowly beecoming my fav podcast

[@Estebanvlqz]

SLOWLY???

[@Felipaugustoex2612]

It's my favorite podcast since the beginning

[@johnestafanos3007]

This quickly became my favorite podcast!

[@mussymuss1]

I don't even listen to podcasts but I faithfully listen to waveform.

[@shiverpoolcody]

Favourite since I found it 😂

[@NerdOfGalaxy]

Waiting for its fourth iteration so we'll get Nothing 2c

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

I understood that reference... 🤣🤣🤣

[@BenMilford]

😂

[@brunomcleod]

Nice one

[@Savi-nn9lo]

i feel like the nothing 2a specifically meant for countries like india and other developing nations (in terms of technology) and since i am an indian and i see people around me who spend around 200-250 dollars on a phone might consider this phone and since nothing already has a name for itself in india this might sell a lot in india because of how it looks and the fancy lights

[@Stephen_Lafferty]

14:40 - great to hear @RickBeato namechecked by David for his Spotify Top Ten videos!

[@guitarfumar]

Named him wrong, but sure.

[@Garythefireman66]

Pronounced BEE-Ah-Tow

[@mattjgraham]

Finally, the weekend, guys, in the UK, and as ever, the waveform is starting for me! Thanks guys as always

[@none_the_less]

Matt!

[@ElijahChikondi]

Sameeee

[@baxterboy123yt]

It's Friday for me, I'm in the UK....do you count the weekend as starting on a Friday?

[@Lexuzd6602]

David with his eye jammed in the mic is so relatable 😂 5:46

[@eim6741]

"And now you can't say we didn't talk about it!" Never change Ellis, never change

[@kindofanmol]

The Dimensity7200 Ultra is almost a flagship chipset. Incredibly capable for that price range.

[@justincosta89]

Honestly, my favorite weekly podcast. Keep it up! I still want to see some kind of Jeopardy style writing of answers on tablets or something. Or.. or.. a Jeopardy style episode for the guys once a year. Also, I know you guys have video monitors, for longer or multiple choice questions, is it possible for you to put those up for the guys? Just a random thought, not an actual issue. Keep it up Ellis and Adam! Don’t make the questions any easier! 😂

[@spencerledbetter8388]

The Sony Xperia Z1 had a colored notification LED that was different colors for different types of notifications. I agree that they should bring that back.

[@connorthedude1]

I think that a more fair comparison in terms of specs and immersion for the Vision Pro is the PSVR2. PSVR2 is HDR OLED 4k 120hz per eye, 110 degree FOV, an absurdly bright display, incredible haptics in the headset and controllers, and it also has eye tracking with foveated rendering. It also has no light leakage from the edges of the headset and no screen door effect. However, it has Franell lenses instead of pancake lenses, and it doesn't have full color passthrough, hand tracking, or built in speakers, as it is purely for gaming. I understand these both have very different uses, but I think it's worth mentioning that a lot of what the Vision Pro is doing isn't anything new.

[@esaedvik]

The PPD on PSVR2 is pretty bad though (almost half that of AVP and Varjo XR-4). I guess eye-tracking and foveated rendering would help compensate with that though. And it has a pentile screen and 2 subpixels per pixel (AVP and XR-4 have 3 and they're RGBB π subpixel arrangement and diamond RGB)

[@zaneplatt3533]

​@@esaedvikit is also many, many times the price...

[@esaedvik]

@@zaneplatt3533 Absolutely, something has to be worse for that price.

[@DeeNice405]

Love the pod guys keeps me interested the full show.

[@nadamuchu]

I cant wait for Techpril, Techay, Techune, Techuly, and Techgust.

[@user-nk2wk3eq9n]

His continuous attempt to try and make catchy wordplay using Tech is both commendable and hilarious 😂

[@thefourthfry]

we'll be watching as the tears roll by

[@U2haveaniceday20]

Have not been on watching my favorites lately but I really enjoyed guy's. Thanks for sharing. ✌️ 💯

[@ScottANorman]

I have never heard of Eiffel 65…just Blue…but the *Fire* squeak from Marques at 16:13 sent me down the rabbit hole and I have now listened to more Eiffel 65 than I ever planned too 😂

[@keiz_]

A quick example to Marques' point about a small artist blowing up because a song on TikTok is Imase and his song "Night Dancer." He learned how to make music in a year, and tiktok helped him start a career in music.

[@hyperactiv8]

Who?

[@keiz_]

​@@hyperactiv8imase, he's a Japanese music artist. Night Dancer got super popular even outside Japan, so he also made a Korean and English version of the song.

[@onalethatarampogo385]

'Mark Zuckerberg famously names all of his cows after famous kickboxers' WOW, that's a well crafted joke Ellis... But that's something he would do though!!!🤣

[@aizatarchibald5368]

1:22:33 Those who listen to podcasts would appreciate this so much that a discussion was convened

[@zipobob1]

1:24:32 "ohh, man people used to be mad at me a lot" 😂 1:25:04 "Mclinker" and David's burst of laughter🤣

[@kjeldkaj]

David (and the blue-shirt guy) are really underestimating Tiktok in my opinion. I couldn't agree more with Andrew in this case

[@AdamZugone]

😭 the blue shirt guy. I love that

[@brunomcleod]

@@AdamZugone There's a guy in the Brownie KZbin channel who's also got that nickname

[@Darkman24]

It's Rick Beato (BEE - ah - toe) Great guy and awesome channel!

[@ShaiMargolis]

My weekly waveform podcast session is on!!🎉🎉

[@Superninja71]

Need “fire” from 16:18 to be a reoccurring sound byte

[@KA-lt2tu]

The best part of my week!

[@jaxfilm]

maybe I’m just sleep deprived but McLinker had me absolutely dying, so funny

[@josh_wags]

Whoa! That WVFRM trivia site is 🔥

[@diwavs4546]

16:02 that “Mhhh…” was sooo satisfying😂

[@PrajwalDSouzaCrazyTalks]

What's been amazing about quest is the updates. The hand tracking wasn't even a thing when I got the quest 2. It came as an update later.

[@johnculver40]

Really enjoyed this episode. I would love to hear a deeper dive of how TikTok’s entry into the market place is affecting career growth for new musicians and how much power record labels have in dictating which musicians’ careers grow.

[@SteeleMan223]

Been looking for a solid tech podcast and just happened upon this one. Great stuff

[@melissa.deklerk]

Thank you for mentioning Rick Beato ("be-ah-toe"). He's great. Knowledgeable and very interesting to listen to. I've followed him for a while, so it was a merging of 2 of my bubbles to hear David mention Rick.

[@dman7895]

Rick Beato very interesting. good videos. love some of his interviews, and take on modern music and technology

[@talklein39]

Ellis (god I hope I'm writing it correctly) talked about having a quest 3 work flow. I have a quest 3, I consider myself to be very technological, and yet I haven't found the time or energy to dig deep enough and find ways to work with it. Bottom line, what I'm saying is, I don't want an Ellis video on this, I want an Ellis series of videos, from the very beginning to the point were you can have work sessions like he describes because it sounds so cool! I'm sure a bunch of people would love to see it

[@babylonian]

same! i’d love that, it would be a perfect Studio video

[@LeonNeuton]

Blessings from Jamaica 🇯🇲!

[@Samersmadi5]

This podcast deserves every sec I waited for it to be published

[@michaelroberts5191]

30:22 the Xperia 1 line still has a customizable LED. The logout thing I don't like I'd android doesn't use it for the green light for when the camera in in use, it just shows it on the screen

[@thelonelyloner7]

Hands down best show on KZbin. 💯 Always looking forward to the new episode

[@EmmanuelCrown]

58:22 for the neuro interface what they are working on is a wristband that reads the signals sent by your brain to your hand for hand control using the brain

[@miavaughn2393]

He IS apparently correct on quest 3 hand tracking being better. You can see this on certain apps. Like new piano apps, any that rely EXCLUSIVELY on hand tracking. It’s not great. The reason it’s so much better on Vision Pro is it is attached to eye tracking which as you guys said only then needs a pinching gesture. This is the illusion of better hand tracking the Vision Pro gives you.

[@esaedvik]

Varjo's headsets (at least the older VR-3/XR-3) have Ultraleap's hand tracking tech built in. Ultraleap used to be know as Leap Motion and they had a hand-tracker on Kickstarter ages ago. Was really nice, but I don't think it sold too well, so they got acquired and renamed a bit.

[@tylerwilkison1487]

30:29 I have the S23U and I LOVE using the Edge Lighting because they're all color coded so I don't have to pick up my phone and look at it every time it buzzes

[@Loner82]

I just discovered this podcast and love that i can see this on youtube cause i never actually "listen" to podcasts. I do love watching them though! lol

[@andresransom2839]

The bonus question at the end was awesome! Throw one in every once in a while but as a random at the end so that way no one knows.

[@erikmcgregor]

55:54 I think a good comparasion here is the physical keyboard back in the Blackberry vs. iPhone days.

[@Ogni]

Great job, Adam and Ellis!!

[@mommyofceos]

All day yesterday I thought it was Friday and kept thinking where is Waveform...finally! Let the weekend begin! ❤

[@MorningStarNews]

43:46 You definitely can buy the light seal cushion separately.

[@potatoman7475]

looking forward to the Ellis Studio, really enjoyed David's. Keep going nerds.

[@TheElementSwing]

30:00 I think you can add a light circle around the front camera to do the same thing. At least on goodlock.

[@Xsellence]

I think what Zuck is getting at re: hand tracking being “better” on the Quest 3 is that it tracks your hands well if you move them quickly (which is helpful for gaming). The Vision Pro seems to lag behind a bit.

[@esaedvik]

I love the Zuck called Kenny a "friend" lol

[@alxcia]

The tag at the end was perfection😂

[@hknli]

0:42 I love the mean girls reference from Andrew

[@julesm1434]

Crying at 'Febtechruary' 🤣🤣🤣

[@Californ1a]

1:17:25 - Out of all the 3D short animated movie content, I think NightMara really pulled it off the best; they properly direct your attention so you're looking the right way for every scene and don't need multiple rewatches to make sure you didn't miss stuff (though they do hide some easter egg stuff if you do rewatch it). Though it has taken a long, long time to create those. They're 15min episodes and it's been about a year between each episode releasing, episode 3 just recently came out and it'll probably be another year before ep4.

[@not4273]

Hand tracking for quest is actually really really good I guess ill have to make a video on it.

[@LostinaMemory]

Brooooo I listened to half of this video audio only and thought that the man in gray on the left was Marques.. Their voices sound so much alike!

[@chasrifflord]

Every Friday I'm like a kid in the candy store waiting for the WVFRM podcast to drop this is definitely my favorite podcast ❤

[@bartymurns]

I love the new competition and one up-manship that has been introduced to the VR/etc space. I cant wait for competitors to take all the good bits of vision pro and bring the cost down to an amount Im willing to spend for a fun games machine.

[@RoadUser_Motovlog]

there was the nokia 3220 that was the GOAT of RGB LED notifications. it had 4 bumpers, 2 on each side, completely RGB, they animated with the music and you could customize them depending on the notification (granted they were simpler back then).

[@shahzadkareekunnan7164]

This video is Awsome🎉

[@AwesomeDough]

Had to come back to the vid for trivia at the end cuz i was cracking up

[@REVIEWSONTHERUN]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing it. ✌️

[@RunDaChansey]

55:52 Marques just so you know you guys could have spent an entire podcast talking about that video, it's endlessly fascinating.. When do you get a tech CEO reviewing his own and his competitor's product???

[@peteo4328]

16:20 wow this recognition on Eiffel65's legacy!! nothing but RESPECT for guys 🔥😭❤️

[@JustXavier]

I will not apologize for dancing to the trivia theme music. This is just a part of who I am now.

[@GeneralChaz9]

I think it'd be interesting to do a comparison of Snapdragon and MediaTek based phones on the main channel. The MediaTek Dimensity 9300 is extremely overkill on the CPU side of things and the GPU is able to keep up with the Qualcomm Adreno GPU. I mean just look at the Dimensity 9300 specs, it has four X4 cores and four A720 cores. The Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 has one X4, five A720, and two A520. Anyways, could be a way to check how much on-paper specs matter vs real world usage. However GSMArena only lists four phones with the 9300, and they're all Vivo/Oppo. lol

[@unkitjc]

I was thinking the same but then I think the comparison/benchmark testing isn't really their style, and that Mediatek chipset phones aren't really a thing in the USA. I am using a Vivo x90 with Dimesnity 9200 & a x100 Pro with Dimesnity 9300, the battery life and overall performance is very, very good

[@GeneralChaz9]

@@unkitjc I agree that it isn't really their style, but they didn't seem to take Mediatek's chips too seriously but it's probably due to how bad the Helio series got. It also doesn't help that the Helio G series is still releasing in some devices. Lol

[@256k_]

this was such a fun episode hahaha

[@akd-R]

Nexus 6 had some moto brand feature - when we touch the phone, take it from table or pocket. it will give some widget screen where its show app specific notification, call and sms details. Due to this they disabled the the RGB notification light, its my guess.

[@conzure]

I agree with Andrew that the Quest /feels/ more immersive. Games are just the most interactive kind of media there is. I think most people are going to feel more immersed in a VR gaming experience than anything else, even if those other experiences have higher fidelity.

[@brunomcleod]

1:14:01 I was just spinning around my ginger beer bottle and he said "can you not" and I instinctively stopped 😂

[@johnmorrisproductions]

The Yamaha HS8S Subwoofer is awesome!

[@Isaac_spzindel]

The Neural Interface Zuck was referring to is a wrist based interface which interprets signals from your motor neurons. It is based on tech from CTRL-Labs which they acquired in 2019.

[@AzimsLives]

Gabe Newell talks a lot about brain-computer interface recently

[@Isaac_spzindel]

@@AzimsLives Gabe has been interested in BCI since a long long time. But his interest is in head-worn interfaces which are much harder and further away. Because the brain is surrounded by bone tissue which deflects and deforms signals, these need to be very heavy, expensive and power hungry. Brain signals are also far less specific and much harder to decode. Reading and interpreting the highly specific signals from motor neurons in the wrist is much easier and viable.

[@neoqe6lb]

David should do a bonus episode on LLMs and Sora with someone like Andrej Karpathy as guest.

[@RaiderWally59]

100% agree with Andrew on the TikTok music topic

[@Moose004]

Y'all should get one of those really loud printer calculators for when you're calculating the trivia points. Kind of like what dropout has on make some noise

[@user-vz3vv3hi2s]

when you come from another video and listen to this first time is when you get to know you've been listening to substandard audio.

[@jon_escamilla_]

I just got to say I completely agree. Not being able to touch type is user error

[@jfreshh330]

If you look up smartphone SOC benchmark rankings I’m pretty sure the Mediatek Dimensity 9200 is at the top above the gen 3

[@CreativeDimension]

What does airdrop has to do with holding ur breath? 🤣🤣🤣 Like “stop using air for yourself to use it to transfer stuff”? Lol

[@chrislyonm]

Really good critiques of Quest's marketing. I just wish we could hear your takes on play-by-play critiques of Apple's marketing.

[@nexusyang4832]

0:22 - I’m not sure if I should be proud or sad that I understood that sentence and can validate that it is a correct one… 😂😂😂😢😢😢😅😅😅

[@jatinderveersingh]

Is there a way for people to see all A/B thumbnails that people didnt get to see? Maybe on the website or maybe a hyperlink in the description of the youtube video?

[@rick-potts]

Blackberry LED was God Tier programmable. I knew who was calling and being ignored just by looking at the LED across the room.

[@AbdullahHumayun06]

I don't have a case on my Pixel 8 Pro. Or a screen protector. It hurts to see scratches but its worth it to have the full and fresh experience of holding a raw phone.

[@unkitjc]

The higher end Dimesnity chipsets are really good, would really like if you guys could do a video with a random collection of non-US phones like the Vivo

[@Zack-dw5op]

When you mentioned nothing phone 2a and "a tech ceo reviewing their own product" in the same sentence, I would have bet my life savings you were taking about Carl Pei lol

[@zaneplatt3533]

In Australia the vision pro is over $6000 dollars while the meta quest 3 is $1000 at most. For that price difference, the vision pro should be dramatically better at everything. The fact that the meta quest 3 competes at all and betters the vision pro in certain areas is pretty wild.

[@kalleankaheladagen]

Up to $300 phones I've had never had a case on. But now with a $800 high end phone with 5 years updates a case is on even if I'm not a person who drops the phone. $800 is a lot of money.

[@bobsmith12345]

i feel like adam neely would be a great guest to talk about the music industry! he has some amazing videos about the music industry / copyright laws

[@confused.cat.]

Mediatek uses dimensity name for all their chips now, their 9000 series is their flagship 8 series competitor, the current flagship is 9300, and its as fast as the 8 gen 3, and many are saying that it has better thermals as well

[@postnick]

Solid 8th on the typing test here!

[@milkmanchannel1]

Colin and Samir had an episode with AJR and they spoke a lot about like, streaming and the revenue break down of musical artists. Super interesting stuff. Highly recommend checking it out if you wanna go more in depth on that topic

[@jozachnothere]

41:40 : frame of the year

[@TheBismrk]

It's surprising that, with all the phones that support always on, there aren't ROMs that have faux notification LEDs as an alternative.

[@DougAndersonisnotdougfunny]

Late to the comments, but I'm so glad you guys brought up the old LED notification light. That was one of my favorite features, and it was ripped away from us for always on displays. No thanks, give me the light.

[@deRykcihC]

Hand pinching in APV is better cuz you select things with your eyes before pinching, while Quest they just using sensors to locate where your fingers possibly are.