Nothing Copies MKBHD and Bing Beats Google

[@NothingTechnology]

Don't even ask how we got the photo for the window inside the studio...

[@ironcrafter54]

I did notice that you did have the expected background.

[@HiHello-dude]

where is linus hack talk?

[@jiphinhere]

​@@HiHello-dude the episode was recorded prior to the news of the hack came out

[@DolphinsAreBetterThanHumans]

Spend more on Improving/creating better product rather do this type of Marketing BS & learn to take criticism if you want to be "cool unique techie brand". Ear 1 were dogshit & that is me being soft. Frequency response was all over the place & treble was the worst. Samsung Buds & airpods pro are light years ahead in Sound quality & ANC.

[@ironcrafter54]

@@HiHello-dude they film the podcast on Tuesday, it takes a while for David to make it the production quality as good as it is

[@emitchell927]

I’m blind and I love this podcast for its accessibility

[@kashifkhan1042]

@@sritam_mirdha Dick move bro. But I think they will have talk back.

[@imibuks-replit]

That is sad to hear

[@emitchell927]

This is able to be read by apples voiceover and Siri

[@ygypt]

i used to work at an at&t store and this one time a blind dude walked thru and his iphone was on screen reader mode. I've never understood how to use it because it totally takes over the whole way you interact with the iphone, but the dude was ZOOMING thru the phone at blazing speed, with the voiceover speed cranked so fast that i couldn't understand it (im sure he got used to it). needless to say i was very impressed with the iPhone's screen reader, and as an android user that has poked around with the accessibility settings out of boredom, i can confidently say that iphone completely blows androids accessibility out of the water i must ask, how difficult is it to deal with shorthand internet lingo? does it try to pronounce stuff like lol, fr, bc, tm, or does it say the letters?

[@sritam_mirdha]

@@kashifkhan1042 I didn't mean that way, i was just curious...

[@kk-mh8uf]

The ‘casual hanging out’ vibe I love most of this podcast.

[@juliancanalesphoto]

The way this podcast has grown with the addition of David and the Producer cam with Ellis and Adam is fantastic. Added even more to what was already a great podcast.

[@Simon_Laserna]

Ellis adds so much to the podcast! Overall, the production value and chemistry from all of them is just excellent. Best podcast!

[@WilliamMorris-Julien-c3i]

You guys are getting better and better with each episode... love the dynamic... very cool!

[@MelissaClaasen]

Ellis! He's like "I don't have haptics turned on." 2mins later: "I turned it on and I'm never going back" 😂😂 Could sense how betrayed Andrew felt.

[@bleachaholic247]

Man. Seeing the conversation going from David bringing up an insole that charges your phone to Andrew saying it was probably a "Kickstarter" is a missed pun I wish was acknowledged xD

[@DanielDenoted]

This podcast brings me such happiness. Very easy to listen to without being boring. Very funny without being unorganized. Very informative without being arrogant . Amazing podcast as always

[@DriveVersusFly]

Seriously, always brightens my day

[@rectororbis]

Can't agree more!

[@DanielDenoted]

@@DriveVersusFly every Friday, it’s like therapy

[@ta.bespoke]

For tech nerds by tech nerds = happiness.

[@DanielDenoted]

@@ta.bespoke they’ve turned me into a tech nerd lol I didn’t know I cared lol another hobby, another day

[@burnzy3210]

My mum got a courtesy car while hers was being worked on, that car had everything on a screen. She couldn't figure out how to adjust the heater which was left on hot, so she just opened the window to let the heat out. Buttons and switches just work ...AND they work with gloves.

[@matthewgarber5517]

How is that different than a screen. The screen just works if you know where to look. If you don’t know which button does what you want you can get just as stuck.

[@MiguelY22]

@@matthewgarber5517 a screen can hide many options in menus and pages. Real buttons are visible all at once and dont move

[@loldoctor]

@@MiguelY22 Also a lot of newer cars use temperature controls, where it manages the fanspeed and direction, heat/ac strength, etc. based on your desired temperature. By default the controls are just buttons to turn up or down this temperature, with no direct control over the fanspeed or direction. So if there are ever times when you need manual controls, for example to defog the inside of your windshield in certain weather, you have to manually open the menu, click the fan direction, and raise the fan speed, etc.. It's horrible. And even cars with physical controls suffer from the screen, since they have to move the controls to make space for the screen. My car has a physical knob that can change fan speed, direction, etc., but ALL the options are on the same knob and you have to cycle through fan speeds, direction, etc. by selecting the option you want to change and then twisting the knob. The "auto" button is also on this knob, and if you accidentally hit it then it resets all your settings to 0 when you turn it off again. It's better than a touch screen but still so much worse than how things were before.

[@RoadUser_Motovlog]

@@matthewgarber5517 that's the thing, when you're in a car the only thing you have to look is forward. A real button stays there, you don't need to aim perfectly for it to press and you have tactile confirmation that you've pressed it. For smaller functions a touch screen is ok, but for those basic main features there must be a physical button to press, at that point you rely solely on muscle memory without keeping the eyes off the road.

[@thelibrarian7193]

​@@matthewgarber5517 if u driving a car, u might dont want to look at a screen while driving

[@robster7787]

As a design engineer, automotive applications that moved to touch screen is both cheaper, and lazier than implementing physical button. Cheaper because literally less moving parts, and lazier because you can just move all these things into software. I no longer need to design a momentary switch to switch to AC mode. Should the software fail however, there will be problems. It’s just infuriating when you have to touch a capacitive button to switch the dial knob from fan speed to volume.

[@DDProCo]

18:00 my mom really thought there was like dirt in her keyboard when she first turned off her keyboard. She thought it jammed because it wasn’t clicking.

[@Bjam45]

Loved this week's episode! Appreciate the banter and "loose" feel of this when rather than it being purely technical. Ellis's science facts and simplifying those in a way that's easy to understand makes these episodes so entertaining! Great listen.

[@ethangeipel1147]

To go full circle, trackpads often use piezoelectric actuators to simulate button presses.

[@jon649]

yeah, they are not that smart

[@divano1014]

But do they kiss and have something to do with feet?

[@alexandregeracao6345]

Small correction, the ID2 is an eletric version of the VW Polo, not the Golf. The eletric Golf is the ID3, been out since 2019. So the ID2 is a smaller segment car than what you were talking about.

[@ajmalhassan2047]

The video dropped and my weekend starts :) 🍻 Traditions

[@_shivam_vij]

Same

[@JerrieDesu]

I love David’s goofy personality 🤣 such a good addition to the podcast

[@obidean3964]

That last part. Missed opportunity to say "a feet of engineering"

[@kelramirez]

I agree with Marques. i think haptics are not overrated...it gives more dimension to using technology when it's done right, especially now and going forward, its not just for feel but feedback. Software alone can only do so much, and moving hardware it can replace sometimes has lot of drawbacks.

[@gabe_0x]

"Bing Beats Google" - in other news, water is blue, and the sky is wet

[@davidtucker4992]

50:18 the way that they censored “Hey Google” is hilarious lol

[@IanZainea1990]

13:43 I've always been for physical buttons. Honestly this should be regulation. Where certain functions are required to be physical buttons, and other key ones are required to be 1 click or a button. Or something like that. But then others like... adjusting the bass/treble can be w/e, unregulated

[@farrenlee3314]

I listened to this Podcast and can only summarise it in three words: Nothing but Incredible!

[@PiyushAgg]

You commented two minutes after the podcast was posted, so clearly you did not listen to it.

[@HiHello-dude]

bro are you sure?

[@Liamletsgo666]

@@PiyushAgg wait you don't listen to it at 84x speed? interesting... 🧐

[@vismay1175]

@@Liamletsgo666 what chu on about? Bro that trend died ages ago, have you been livin under a rock? The really cool guys and gals only watch videos at 91x speed. No compromises.

[@Vikrum_]

Okay

[@MrArdytube]

There was something very satisfying about pounding away on an old IBM manual computer keyboard. The physical, the clacks sound, the feeling of enduring solidity…. It was like making a great golf shot… the entire experience taken together was rewarding…. And you never inadvertently hit a second key …. Dang that was a great keyboard

[@ramblesrandom]

Damm I was really waiting for someone to bring up the pixel 5 and its squeeze feature during the trivia answers

[@sebastiandiazgutierrez5403]

Thank you for start bleeping the "hey Google" in the podcast. While watching the podcast, my phone just reacted to the voice commands like 3 times because of Andrew 😂😂😂

[@mongoeezy6405]

The haptic on  watch are just on point. The way it wakes u by just gentle taps, it’s just 👌🏾20:39

[@todthesushimonster1256]

Chapterrs not working for some reason :(

[@october65-h6e]

Elevator? Scotty, beam me up...😁

[@GamblerBE]

Isn't the ID 3 already Golf sized? I assume the ID 2 will be more like the Polo?

[@OrangeC7]

This is the one video that finally got me to watch Her

[@harshmishra7029]

Can you guys please make chapters for the video form of the podcast? @WVFRM Podcast

[@VMYeahVN]

David just casually throwing his leg behind his head was not on my Bingo card.

[@sweetnightmere]

actually the WV ID2 its closer in size to a Polo, witch is smaller than a Golf

[@aswanthashok7490]

54:03 from here Nothing starts😅😂

[@gamerhardev]

Thanks

[@wilyamiyooo]

20:39 The S8, Note8, S9 and Note 9 were the ones which had the haptic motor simulate home button same as the iPhones, however since they switched from 16:9 to 18:9 aspect ratio, they just made it look like it was immersive since it was within the screen.

[@JSS75]

Just for the record guys, unfortunately the Golf did not sell that well in the USA and was discontinued, only the GTI and Golf R are sold here, the old basic model is not, its surprising for sure!

[@hubrisbrutus6805]

“2006, 17 years ago” My actual immediate response: “ugh”

[@hubrisbrutus6805]

I was 9

[@Heelincal12]

EV9's swivel seats are an absolute game changer for parents.

[@wafflexboy]

S8+ had the virtual home button and it was amazing. But honestly it's more because I hate how unresponsive phones are when the screen is off

[@Cloudnine2024]

That Nothing announcement commercial was really cool, funny and refreshing!!

[@Superknullisch]

You think?? Well, maybe on the surface, if you don't think to hard (or at all) about the whole set up. Because there's a few things that I think you completely ignored or didn't realise. Imho, it was a very poor choice indeed by MKBHD and the other channels, to agree to being featured in this presentation/launch event/commercial, by "Nothing". Why? Because Carl P. used all of your good reputations to legitimize yet another very arguably sh*tty half-baked product. MKBHD & Co + the other tech channels, are also not going to be able to make an unbiased review of these "Nothing Ear (2)'s" now when they come out, given that they're being paid by "Nothing" to market their product. At the very least not, in the eyes of your somewhat educated, not too gullible group of viewers at least. Yeah, this is an absolute NO NO in the world of tech reviews, in mine and most other honest peoples opinion. Funny how they didn't even mention how much they got paid by selling out like this. Nor, that they got paid at all.. smh.. smh.. Also.. didn't MKBHD and Mrwhoestheboss make a video each about how "Nothing" played the entire cream de la cream, of the tech review community here on YT when they launched the Nothing Ear (1) and their Nothing phone?? Woooow.. yeah I'm lost for words..

[@themba_kazima]

The S8 and S9 both had a pressure sensor at the bottom middle. And the fact that they had an Iris scanner made it mimic an underscreen fingerprint scanner when I hard pressed on it and it scanned my iris and unlocked the phone. It was fun imitating my sibling's more expensive phones.

[@jbro490]

As someone who used to work with Piezoelectrics, that trivia question was cool to here

[@reallyanti]

Her is one of my favorite movies of all time. I'm glad you brought it up.

[@ItsDan_]

About the dodge: the claimed 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile was tested on a prepped drag strip (very sticky). It would be impossible to do that on a normal surface. Still sick tho

[@DemonSlayer-vh8uy]

is there an abrupt cut at 59:43? it sounded really weird. It wasn't a smooth transition at all.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

I miss my Sidekick phone with physical buttons. Flipping that screen out was so much fun

[@ranjeetthorat1318]

No timestamp 😮

[@glittery_fairy]

I loved the s8/s9 pressure sensitive home button. I still miss it after having an s10e, s22 and s23.

[@charliehelmijr]

The S8 also had this weird on- screen but clickable home button. I still have it and use it as a backup phone. I like how it works, and it does feel quite like a button, but it's haptics. The interesting thing is that you can use it to wake the phone. And because of the haptics, and how secure/accurate it works (it really never fails), in my mind it's truly feels and I think of it as a real button. Even though I know it's not.

[@kudaa8969]

This was a banger of an episode, had me learning and laughing

[@PhoneDekhoShorts]

Video Started at 55:00

[@NeilRohrig]

Someone had a whistle booger the entire time

[@wladefant]

Somehow the chapters are not working

[@HereAndTher3]

23:02 for the stress button

[@MrCrucifer]

This podcast should already be above 500k subs by now. People are missing out

[@imarchit]

People just prefer listening to podcasts, than watching it.

[@JoelSapp]

KZbin kept making me watch this and i am glad i finally did. Entertaining !

[@DDProCo]

12:00 I had the same moment but I was with my little brother and I freaked out with excitement and he was like, “wtfrick is wrong with you?”

[@RoadUser_Motovlog]

Completely unrelated, but there's a really thin black line in the producers' cam, between the black square and the right red triangle..idk if it's an export glitch or the camera sensor is giving up 🤷🏻‍♂

[@deRykcihC]

Note8, Note9, S8 and S9 all have a 3D touch button in the middle you can hard or light press that simulates a physical button, those were satisfying.

[@Leanzazzy]

Is it an actual button/hardware bit or can you program it anywhere on the screen? I have a Note 9 and it's so satisfying using it instead of the power button.

[@deRykcihC]

@@Leanzazzy change to 3-buttons navigation, and hard press the home button, it should work, unless they disabled it

[@Leanzazzy]

@@deRykcihC It does work. I'm asking if it's possible to enable it on other phones as well(meaning it's software based), or is it restricted because of actual hardware?

[@deRykcihC]

@@Leanzazzy its a hardware restriction, Samsung made the small area a 3D touch area so you can hard press or light press, future Samsung's phone doesn't have it anymore.

[@snowdawn]

Very fun and informative podcast :) Great job guys.

[@brandonewong]

From a UX perspective: haptics enhances usability of touch-based interfaces as it presents feedback to the user to acknowledge a touch input action. But there is a spectrum of haptic design quality amongst systems, so I understand why there are people who like or dislike it.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

Any of you ever experienced a round dial phone? I miss those. It was so satisfying to spin each number. It took a long time to dial 911 though 😅

[@mamourwane4264]

22:00 It was the Note 8 and it was great , the S8 had it also it was bit off. Defenitely a great feature

[@AashishKishnani]

Yeah I wanted to know both about Nothing and Bing (since it's new bing ai chat I've not used much Google)

[@jasonwright2326]

Where do you guys get the surface boards for your over head shots from?

[@aaroncheatwood1]

The Thomas the tank engine kissing stuff was great, and a decent way to explain that!

[@sreedhar6745]

Yo, time stamps please!

[@nkue]

Wish watching MKBHD videos a job. So interesting and something I would love to do everyday. Kudos MKBHD team

[@imicca]

20:57 no. It was also S8 and S9

[@kindofanmol]

Bing is seriously so underrated, even with all the hype around it. Bard being so sh!tty yet again proves just HOW far ahead Bing with GPT-4 is. What a time to be alive.

[@imarchit]

Shitty? More constrained, is the better description. I look forward to I/O for an update.

[@IQTrip]

A whole lot of nothing at the end but was here for it.

[@Carbonpolter]

Isn’t the ID2 more likely to be the size of the VW Polo? Because the ID3 already matches the VW Golf quite closely.

[@Melchirobin]

Please include time stamps.

[@pnwmeditations]

The standard Golf has been discontinued in the US :(. It's a shame because I love it and it fits me like and my life like a glove.

[@tangodman]

I am with Andrew here. I also turn the haptics off on every phone except maybe something like Galaxy S series which has good haptics. But since I usually not use it, so I keep them off in every phone.

[@Blessindisguise]

Switches on car interior and turning off vibration on most things on a phone! I'm all for it! Haha

[@crachor]

The Thomas the tank engine analogy was great... 😂

[@nathanfife2890]

I'm super confused how the guy who's most into mechanical keyboards is also the guy who doesn't appreciate good haptics on a phone. I feel like he just has some sort of bias from a negative experience a while ago or something, good haptics are great I love it. I don't feel like that's a boomer thing, not that I'm a boomer but still.

[@Manganellia1]

I don't really get the "boomer" take on haptics when they come default and every single older person I've met uses haptic feedback. Even good haptics just don't feel good to me, it's pretty simple! If anything enjoying a good mechanical keyboard probably makes that make more sense since they're not really comparable at all.

[@ken830]

Uh.. None of the guys ever heard of the piezoelectric effect? That's almost unbelievable... They've never seen the word "quartz" on any of their watches/clocks?! They don't know about the clock generator on any of their electronics?? Sure, some devices are replacing crystals with MEMs, but crystals still drive a super-majority of digital electronics.

[@mas96]

Haptic keyboard is the best! Honestly feels weird without it!

[@man_shooo]

About haptics for the keyboard: most people swiping-typing anyway. I have it off too :)

[@AntonNagolyuk]

for now it's getting better and better

[@matthewbingham9583]

I don’t know how you didn’t get that second trivia question, the only option that makes sense to do with feet is squish, you don’t usually melt, poke or digest anything with your feet but you definitely squish stuff

[@Billythepizza]

Best ep so far guys, love all the topics and Ellis is the man!!

[@GBBangin]

"Bing is just better right now...Bing is ahead of Google right now in this specific way." MKBHD in 2023...That's impressive.

[@EnterSpacebar]

Just to clear something up, the Macbook trackpad (and the Magic Trackpad) surface definitely DOES move. It's just that the click is simulated by the haptic motor. The iPhone 8/SE home button otoh, does not move indeed.

[@mrdot1126]

Nothing Ear (2) event, was funny and clever, really creative...

[@FadedXLoCk]

The recent massive 4 hour wan shows have been making it feel like time flies when watching this lol loved the trivia questions this week!

[@MubinNoor]

Man, I really miss the 3D Touch home button on the Galaxy series. I had mine on the S9 and it was a huge part of my experience especially to turn the screen on since there was no double tap to wake.

[@schopes]

I remember the piezoelectric answer from your HTC U11 Review, the phone where you squeezed the sides 😅

[@RangerGSD]

What happened to the video chapters?

[@DDProCo]

9:30 I’m not yet married, but when I am I will have kids and we will get a used one of these.

[@matthewshields]

I was asking Bard politically charged questions and it was surprisingly good at answering them without bias. For instance when I asked Bard, "what is a woman" it answered both biologically, and socially.

[@Karen-pl8kd]

Ahh if you can't spot a bias from these new super biased ais, that means you've already been brainwashed.

[@namboozleUK]

Didn't fireworks used to save their project files as .PNG. Not sure if they were part of the spec or just using the same extension but they used to hold a lot of data

[@mikaelnilsson5912]

Haptics on the phone is essential. If a phone has a bad haptic motor I won't buy it. Got a s22 ultra and I get that people miss notifications but the feel of the haptics is so good. Setting a timer in the stock clock app with the haptics and sound is the most satisfying phone interaction I have had so far.

[@mcmadness110]

Any phone with linear actuators or anything similar has infinitely better haptics than a basic rumble motor. That is the same/similar haptics used by Nintendo Joycons, PS5 duel sense, and many vr controllers.

[@jasonhinrichs4907]

The science discussion at the end was great tbh 🎉

[@Somebodycousin]

The sound for the nothing section has a weird phantom high end thing going on. It sounds like someone turned up monitor and you can hear someone inhaling and exhaling it’s some how really loud but also slight

[@Shalomrutere]

14:55 and continuing I'm on the same page against haptics on a phone. I don't turn it off just for the keyboard. I do the same for my alarm and even for calls; I don't even leave my phone on vibrate, I just turn on silent mode. Also, if I find any game that has vibrations, that's the first setting I'll search for to turn off

[@lordmango6060]

Good haptics are severely underrated by some people. Think the PS5 controllers with their adaptive triggers. Amazing tech and it feels fantastic. Good haptics in a phone can feel the same way

[@DamirSecki]

just so you know... id3 -> Golf / id2 -> Polo (if we are talking size) - Also so funny how Americans need big muscle cars... and they feel they would die in a smaller car :)