Nothing Copies MKBHD and Bing Beats Google

A lot happened this week! There was a bunch of news this week that Marques, Andrew, and David have to discuss. We got new electric car announcements, a new AI chatbot from Google, and a new gadget to review, all in one episode. Of course, we wrap everything up with some trivia, and things only go slightly off the rails but hopefully you learn a little something along the way. Enjoy!
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:38 Volkswagen ID2
08:38 Kia EV9
12:18 Hyundai sticks with buttons
14:53 Haptics discussion
25:46 Trivia question
26:26 Ad break
26:28 Google Bard AI
53:13 Trivia question
53:57 Ad break
53:59 Nothing Ear (2) event
01:01:36 The last gas-powered Dodge
01:05:42 Trivia answers
01:12:31 Outro
Music licensed from Epidemic Sound:
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Hyundai physical buttons: bit.ly/hyundaibuttonswvfrm
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[@NothingTechnology]

Don't even ask how we got the photo for the window inside the studio...

[@ironcrafter54]

I did notice that you did have the expected background.

[@HiHello-dude]

where is linus hack talk?

[@jiphinhere]

​@@HiHello-dude the episode was recorded prior to the news of the hack came out

[@Dolphins_are_our_Overlords]

Spend more on Improving/creating better product rather do this type of Marketing BS & learn to take criticism if you want to be "cool unique techie brand". Ear 1 were dogshit & that is me being soft. Frequency response was all over the place & treble was the worst. Samsung Buds & airpods pro are light years ahead in Sound quality & ANC.

[@ironcrafter54]

@@HiHello-dude they film the podcast on Tuesday, it takes a while for David to make it the production quality as good as it is

[@emitchell927]

I’m blind and I love this podcast for its accessibility

[@kashifkhan1042]

@@sritam_mirdha Dick move bro. But I think they will have talk back.

[@imibuks-replit]

That is sad to hear

[@emitchell927]

This is able to be read by apples voiceover and Siri

[@ygypt]

i used to work at an at&t store and this one time a blind dude walked thru and his iphone was on screen reader mode. I've never understood how to use it because it totally takes over the whole way you interact with the iphone, but the dude was ZOOMING thru the phone at blazing speed, with the voiceover speed cranked so fast that i couldn't understand it (im sure he got used to it). needless to say i was very impressed with the iPhone's screen reader, and as an android user that has poked around with the accessibility settings out of boredom, i can confidently say that iphone completely blows androids accessibility out of the water i must ask, how difficult is it to deal with shorthand internet lingo? does it try to pronounce stuff like lol, fr, bc, tm, or does it say the letters?

[@sritam_mirdha]

@@kashifkhan1042 I didn't mean that way, i was just curious...

[@kk-mh8uf]

The ‘casual hanging out’ vibe I love most of this podcast.

[@juliancanalesphoto]

The way this podcast has grown with the addition of David and the Producer cam with Ellis and Adam is fantastic. Added even more to what was already a great podcast.

[@Simon_Laserna]

Ellis adds so much to the podcast! Overall, the production value and chemistry from all of them is just excellent. Best podcast!

[@0111DTheProphet]

This podcast brings me such happiness. Very easy to listen to without being boring. Very funny without being unorganized. Very informative without being arrogant . Amazing podcast as always

[@DriveVersusFly]

Seriously, always brightens my day

[@rectororbis]

Can't agree more!

[@0111DTheProphet]

@@DriveVersusFly every Friday, it’s like therapy

[@ta.bespoke]

For tech nerds by tech nerds = happiness.

[@0111DTheProphet]

@@ta.bespoke they’ve turned me into a tech nerd lol I didn’t know I cared lol another hobby, another day

[@user-dq6cp1yo6z]

You guys are getting better and better with each episode... love the dynamic... very cool!

[@MelissaClaasen]

Ellis! He's like "I don't have haptics turned on." 2mins later: "I turned it on and I'm never going back" 😂😂 Could sense how betrayed Andrew felt.

[@Bjam45]

Loved this week's episode! Appreciate the banter and "loose" feel of this when rather than it being purely technical. Ellis's science facts and simplifying those in a way that's easy to understand makes these episodes so entertaining! Great listen.

[@bleachaholic247]

Man. Seeing the conversation going from David bringing up an insole that charges your phone to Andrew saying it was probably a "Kickstarter" is a missed pun I wish was acknowledged xD

[@MrArdytube]

There was something very satisfying about pounding away on an old IBM manual computer keyboard. The physical, the clacks sound, the feeling of enduring solidity…. It was like making a great golf shot… the entire experience taken together was rewarding…. And you never inadvertently hit a second key …. Dang that was a great keyboard

[@farrenlee3314]

I listened to this Podcast and can only summarise it in three words: Nothing but Incredible!

[@HonestChat]

You commented two minutes after the podcast was posted, so clearly you did not listen to it.

[@HiHello-dude]

bro are you sure?

[@Liamletsgo666]

@@HonestChat wait you don't listen to it at 84x speed? interesting... 🧐

[@vismay1175]

@@Liamletsgo666 what chu on about? Bro that trend died ages ago, have you been livin under a rock? The really cool guys and gals only watch videos at 91x speed. No compromises.

[@Vikrum_]

Okay

[@FadedXLoCk]

The recent massive 4 hour wan shows have been making it feel like time flies when watching this lol loved the trivia questions this week!

[@kudaa8969]

This was a banger of an episode, had me learning and laughing

[@aswanthashok7490]

54:03 from here Nothing starts😅😂

[@gamerhardev]

Thanks

[@williammarino3366]

Best ep so far guys, love all the topics and Ellis is the man!!

[@ajmalhassan2047]

The video dropped and my weekend starts :) 🍻 Traditions

[@_shivam_vij]

Same

[@sebastiandiazgutierrez5403]

Thank you for start bleeping the "hey Google" in the podcast. While watching the podcast, my phone just reacted to the voice commands like 3 times because of Andrew 😂😂😂

[@snowdawn]

Very fun and informative podcast :) Great job guys.

[@davidtucker4992]

50:18 the way that they censored “Hey Google” is hilarious lol

[@ramblesrandom]

Damm I was really waiting for someone to bring up the pixel 5 and its squeeze feature during the trivia answers

[@ethangeipel1147]

To go full circle, trackpads often use piezoelectric actuators to simulate button presses.

[@jon649]

yeah, they are not that smart

[@divano1014]

But do they kiss and have something to do with feet?

[@JerrieDesu]

I love David’s goofy personality 🤣 such a good addition to the podcast

[@Cloudnine2024]

That Nothing announcement commercial was really cool, funny and refreshing!!

[@Superknullisch]

You think?? Well, maybe on the surface, if you don't think to hard (or at all) about the whole set up. Because there's a few things that I think you completely ignored or didn't realise. Imho, it was a very poor choice indeed by MKBHD and the other channels, to agree to being featured in this presentation/launch event/commercial, by "Nothing". Why? Because Carl P. used all of your good reputations to legitimize yet another very arguably sh*tty half-baked product. MKBHD & Co + the other tech channels, are also not going to be able to make an unbiased review of these "Nothing Ear (2)'s" now when they come out, given that they're being paid by "Nothing" to market their product. At the very least not, in the eyes of your somewhat educated, not too gullible group of viewers at least. Yeah, this is an absolute NO NO in the world of tech reviews, in mine and most other honest peoples opinion. Funny how they didn't even mention how much they got paid by selling out like this. Nor, that they got paid at all.. smh.. smh.. Also.. didn't MKBHD and Mrwhoestheboss make a video each about how "Nothing" played the entire cream de la cream, of the tech review community here on YT when they launched the Nothing Ear (1) and their Nothing phone?? Woooow.. yeah I'm lost for words..

[@JoelSapp]

KZbin kept making me watch this and i am glad i finally did. Entertaining !

[@obidean3964]

That last part. Missed opportunity to say "a feet of engineering"

[@nkue]

Wish watching MKBHD videos a job. So interesting and something I would love to do everyday. Kudos MKBHD team

[@MsQueenn]

This episode was gold!

[@kyoko703]

Waiting for this pod to drop! :)

[@burnzy3210]

My mum got a courtesy car while hers was being worked on, that car had everything on a screen. She couldn't figure out how to adjust the heater which was left on hot, so she just opened the window to let the heat out. Buttons and switches just work ...AND they work with gloves.

[@matthewgarber5517]

How is that different than a screen. The screen just works if you know where to look. If you don’t know which button does what you want you can get just as stuck.

[@MiguelY22]

@@matthewgarber5517 a screen can hide many options in menus and pages. Real buttons are visible all at once and dont move

[@loldoctor]

@@MiguelY22 Also a lot of newer cars use temperature controls, where it manages the fanspeed and direction, heat/ac strength, etc. based on your desired temperature. By default the controls are just buttons to turn up or down this temperature, with no direct control over the fanspeed or direction. So if there are ever times when you need manual controls, for example to defog the inside of your windshield in certain weather, you have to manually open the menu, click the fan direction, and raise the fan speed, etc.. It's horrible. And even cars with physical controls suffer from the screen, since they have to move the controls to make space for the screen. My car has a physical knob that can change fan speed, direction, etc., but ALL the options are on the same knob and you have to cycle through fan speeds, direction, etc. by selecting the option you want to change and then twisting the knob. The "auto" button is also on this knob, and if you accidentally hit it then it resets all your settings to 0 when you turn it off again. It's better than a touch screen but still so much worse than how things were before.

[@RoadUser_Motovlog]

@@matthewgarber5517 that's the thing, when you're in a car the only thing you have to look is forward. A real button stays there, you don't need to aim perfectly for it to press and you have tactile confirmation that you've pressed it. For smaller functions a touch screen is ok, but for those basic main features there must be a physical button to press, at that point you rely solely on muscle memory without keeping the eyes off the road.

[@thelibrarian7193]

​@@matthewgarber5517 if u driving a car, u might dont want to look at a screen while driving

[@jubshub8842]

Love the sneaker question’s you guys! ❤

[@gabe_0x]

"Bing Beats Google" - in other news, water is blue, and the sky is wet

[@reallyanti]

Her is one of my favorite movies of all time. I'm glad you brought it up.

[@alexandregeracao6345]

Small correction, the ID2 is an eletric version of the VW Polo, not the Golf. The eletric Golf is the ID3, been out since 2019. So the ID2 is a smaller segment car than what you were talking about.

[@jbro490]

As someone who used to work with Piezoelectrics, that trivia question was cool to here

[@Pancho_was_here]

I Love the trivia talk!

[@MrCrucifer]

This podcast should already be above 500k subs by now. People are missing out

[@imarchit]

People just prefer listening to podcasts, than watching it.

[@glittery_fairy]

I loved the s8/s9 pressure sensitive home button. I still miss it after having an s10e, s22 and s23.

[@MiguelY22]

I really like all the cool things they have added to cars with a big touch screen, but basic things need to still be a real button you can press without being distracted. Volume control on a steering wheel is very useful

[@IanZainea1990]

13:43 I've always been for physical buttons. Honestly this should be regulation. Where certain functions are required to be physical buttons, and other key ones are required to be 1 click or a button. Or something like that. But then others like... adjusting the bass/treble can be w/e, unregulated

[@deRykcihC]

Note8, Note9, S8 and S9 all have a 3D touch button in the middle you can hard or light press that simulates a physical button, those were satisfying.

[@Leanzazzy]

Is it an actual button/hardware bit or can you program it anywhere on the screen? I have a Note 9 and it's so satisfying using it instead of the power button.

[@deRykcihC]

@@Leanzazzy change to 3-buttons navigation, and hard press the home button, it should work, unless they disabled it

[@Leanzazzy]

@@deRykcihC It does work. I'm asking if it's possible to enable it on other phones as well(meaning it's software based), or is it restricted because of actual hardware?

[@deRykcihC]

@@Leanzazzy its a hardware restriction, Samsung made the small area a 3D touch area so you can hard press or light press, future Samsung's phone doesn't have it anymore.

[@charliehelmijr]

The S8 also had this weird on- screen but clickable home button. I still have it and use it as a backup phone. I like how it works, and it does feel quite like a button, but it's haptics. The interesting thing is that you can use it to wake the phone. And because of the haptics, and how secure/accurate it works (it really never fails), in my mind it's truly feels and I think of it as a real button. Even though I know it's not.

[@ashwikraj8166]

What would a Boston dynamics and open ai Collab look like?💀

[@mongoeezy6405]

The haptic on  watch are just on point. The way it wakes u by just gentle taps, it’s just 👌🏾20:39

[@hubrisbrutus6805]

“2006, 17 years ago” My actual immediate response: “ugh”

[@hubrisbrutus6805]

I was 9

[@jasonhinrichs4907]

The science discussion at the end was great tbh 🎉

[@MubinNoor]

Man, I really miss the 3D Touch home button on the Galaxy series. I had mine on the S9 and it was a huge part of my experience especially to turn the screen on since there was no double tap to wake.

[@BigBallBearingturBo]

Great sciencey trivia Ellis!

[@STORMSC0UT]

I used the pressure sensitive home button on the s8 all the time, kinda liked it

[@Heelincal12]

EV9's swivel seats are an absolute game changer for parents.

[@wilyamiyoo]

20:39 The S8, Note8, S9 and Note 9 were the ones which had the haptic motor simulate home button same as the iPhones, however since they switched from 16:9 to 18:9 aspect ratio, they just made it look like it was immersive since it was within the screen.

[@AntonNagolyuk]

for now it's getting better and better

[@schopes]

I remember the piezoelectric answer from your HTC U11 Review, the phone where you squeezed the sides 😅

[@NexusKodry]

I really appreciate the capitols, or chapters...I was interested literally in only 1 thing in the entire podcast.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

I miss my Sidekick phone with physical buttons. Flipping that screen out was so much fun

[@Blessindisguise]

Switches on car interior and turning off vibration on most things on a phone! I'm all for it! Haha

[@ItsDan_]

About the dodge: the claimed 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile was tested on a prepped drag strip (very sticky). It would be impossible to do that on a normal surface. Still sick tho

[@kelramirez]

I agree with Marques. i think haptics are not overrated...it gives more dimension to using technology when it's done right, especially now and going forward, its not just for feel but feedback. Software alone can only do so much, and moving hardware it can replace sometimes has lot of drawbacks.

[@B13ro]

Oh man the pivoting seats in the Kia ev9 would be so nice for kids in front facing car seats.

[@wafflexboy]

S8+ had the virtual home button and it was amazing. But honestly it's more because I hate how unresponsive phones are when the screen is off

[@mamourwane4264]

22:00 It was the Note 8 and it was great , the S8 had it also it was bit off. Defenitely a great feature

[@everythingresearchgabriel2289]

So good memories when you guys talked about the buttons 😅 Feels weird to say buttons are memories 😂

[@IQTrip]

A whole lot of nothing at the end but was here for it.

[@averagezing]

Got to test Bard as well. It was so wrong at so many tihngs, but it at least didn't argue with me like bing. I love the "View Other Drafts"

[@AashishKishnani]

Yeah I wanted to know both about Nothing and Bing (since it's new bing ai chat I've not used much Google)

[@themba_kazima]

The S8 and S9 both had a pressure sensor at the bottom middle. And the fact that they had an Iris scanner made it mimic an underscreen fingerprint scanner when I hard pressed on it and it scanned my iris and unlocked the phone. It was fun imitating my sibling's more expensive phones.

[@mrdot1126]

Nothing Ear (2) event, was funny and clever, really creative...

[@tangodman]

I am with Andrew here. I also turn the haptics off on every phone except maybe something like Galaxy S series which has good haptics. But since I usually not use it, so I keep them off in every phone.

[@MrThankman360]

Ive been enjoying messing around with the new gpt inside of notion

[@Whyyalltakecheeboohandles]

Love these

[@CandycaneBeyond]

Any of you ever experienced a round dial phone? I miss those. It was so satisfying to spin each number. It took a long time to dial 911 though 😅

[@aaroncheatwood1]

Pixel 6A haptics are SO good, I turned it back on

[@JOELY713]

Give em the points for the Piezoelectric question! squish squeeze press poke can all apply mechanical stress to a substrate.

[@JSS75]

Just for the record guys, unfortunately the Golf did not sell that well in the USA and was discontinued, only the GTI and Golf R are sold here, the old basic model is not, its surprising for sure!

[@lofichicken7369]

i really enjoyed the nothing keynote

[@ironcrafter54]

by far the most creative keynote iv'e ever seen

[@VMYeahVN]

David just casually throwing his leg behind his head was not on my Bingo card.

[@DDProCo]

18:00 my mom really thought there was like dirt in her keyboard when she first turned off her keyboard. She thought it jammed because it wasn’t clicking.

[@justincosta89]

Love this podcast, the trivia is always fun and interesting. 2 ideas: -Why not have a tablet to write the trivia on, and have it displayed like Jeopordy. A little scribble answer below each name/score. -Is there a reason the end credits that Andrew says every week isn't a pre-recorded sound bite?

[@ellisrovin]

Oh man hahaha I thought I was thinking big when I asked dbrand to make those whiteboards….now this is interesting. As for Andrew reading the logo, we will never let him stop

[@justincosta89]

@@ellisrovin Fair enough, haha. I will let Andrew read it and not complain again. haha

[@sebsg]

I had an S9+ and it had that pressure sensitive home area which I loved, I don’t know when it started but yeah it didn’t physically click in

[@onlysublime]

Bing has a microphone button and it's very good at recognizing English and responding with the chatGPT engine.

[@DanielRodriguezJoga5]

I love the keyboard haptics as long as it has a good motor. Using the Pixel 7 Pro and it feels great!

[@pnwmeditations]

The standard Golf has been discontinued in the US :(. It's a shame because I love it and it fits me like and my life like a glove.

[@REVIEWSONTHERUN]

Good discussion.✌️

[@alphakinfe]

Great chat!

[@mas96]

Haptic keyboard is the best! Honestly feels weird without it!

[@justinglintz8263]

I loved the Ellis explanation at the end, he’s already my new best mkbhd guy

[@aermsche]

Elevator? Scotty, beam me up...😁

[@OrangeC7]

This is the one video that finally got me to watch Her

[@pouyahallaj4445]

Still have a Note 8 and pretty happy with it

[@Cappple]

I really like the science explanations

[@mitterrandekole8569]

Just turned on haptic feedback on my iPhone's keyboard for the first time after watching this, lol i'm not going back. It feels good.

[@MAYK1NG]

The Rivian looks the coolest. Wish they would make a smaller city hatchback.

[@alattice]

Dropping a comment cause I have the s8 and note 9, both have the pressure home button and I love it. I also enjoy the haptic feedback

[@lilcuteli5843]

Personally I disabled keyboard haptics on my older Samsung but when I got the Pixel 6 I turned it on for almost everything because it feels great it's like there are small guitar strings inside it, that's how it feels.

[@man_shooo]

About haptics for the keyboard: most people swiping-typing anyway. I have it off too :)

[@702johnny]

The science portion was pretty good.

[@homingjun3921]

Man, the note 9 pressure sensitive home button is the best. it is faster than a double tap and it feels more tactile

[@pixels_per_inch]

Sad that they removed it

[@terrelldodson579]

You guys had me laughing so hard!

[@aaroncheatwood1]

The Thomas the tank engine kissing stuff was great, and a decent way to explain that!

[@MasTiempoPorFa]

I love David's chaotic neutral stance on ai lmao

[@EXDC]

I have haptics on my Pixel 7 Pro and its great, the Steam Decks haptics are also amazing feeling!