This Is Why Kpop Youtubers Suffer More Than You Think

[@mariev347]

As an army, one thing I realized at the time that I was still interacting with the kpop community is; as long as only armies are talking, it's generally something healthy, 90% of the time, but as the multi join the party and demand neutrality about everything, they treat music/art as just for fun as if criticism were something bad, everything becomes a mess , that's the reason why I no longer follow any single multi-page or multi-channel

[@andrikalombard7672]

It's like what happened to Lenny Len who was also just a bts channel and then other fandom "demanded" or whatever ( don't know how to phrase that) him and his friends to watch other groups EVEN THOUGH HE IS AN ARMY.

[@markleesbruisedknee]

im pretty sure he was going to check out other groups regardless imo

[@winxyloo]

i remember how much people would complain about him only watching bts, even though he did check other groups out but he started out w bts so that’s what they mostly watched

[@LFNZE]

and now they are multi and not biased thanks to that

[@blossom6693]

​@@LFNZEoh hello, everyone is multi including army bcz we already stanned many versatile artist like Taylor Swift, who can do both pop masterpiece like midnight and classic album like folklore, same way. BTS did mots7 + be album,

[@anastasia.00]

@@LFNZE i need you people to stop using "multi" cause what thr fck does that even mean. Every person listen to different genres and different artists.

[@magicshop3431]

I get where you're coming from. In fact, I always think armys have a motherly affection for BTS. How they want all good to happen for BTS and by god's grace all evil will stay out of their way. But no ARMYS self-insert BTS anywhere, it's always them mentioning BTS and in most cases, we have to ask for respect. But when in conversions where BTS rightfully fits, we need that recognition. It's their right.

[@Kalakeiko]

Tbh, I've seen a lot of armys that have inserted BTS when the focus was on an other artist or group without them having been mentioned at all, but I'm not saying that only armys do that either.

[@magicshop3431]

@@Kalakeiko yes. I won't be blind to the fact that fans of bts do include lots of senseless people. It's the same for any fandom.

[@Kalakeiko]

@@magicshop3431 That I agree with.

[@zinja0830]

Yooo I didn't expect JRE to come through in a surprise chat cameo! I've been following him for several years! It's great to see kpop content creators supporting each other in twitch streams

[@TheTanniesAteXOXO]

I'm an Army I've been one for 6 years now and I gotta saw I was greatly disappointed in kpop when I first got into BTS I was like "Oh since BTS is so great then other groups must be the same" I can confirm that no they aren't the same AT ALL I don't intend to put any groups down but it's like BTS is an 1080p Group in an 144p Industry I listen to Twice, Enhypen, Seventeen occasionally but I don't really fw with their side content I'm a BTS stan not a kpop stan and I'll proudly say it.

[@TheTanniesAteXOXO]

Idk why but I feel like other fandoms have some sort of validation kink from armys , Army usually tend to ONLY listen to BTS therefore whenever armys praise another group kpoppies literally foam at the mouth and get some sort of pleasure or satisfaction from it it's kinda weird tbh

[@blossom6693]

About RM and bang pd situation, the last decision was made by RM btw,

[@aster.n3018]

Can you please explain what happened or suggest any video that explained that?

[@anitaherbert1037]

Actually you cannot interchange performers and artists. The difference is performers are, and have in the past been treated as if they are disposable and replacable, artists are not. Because an artist has their own unique music. Replace the artist you have different music.

[@srey_p]

K-pop fans are trying to turn you into a multi fan whether you want to or not. 😂 I think it’s sad that boracity can’t mention other groups without the fans going wild in her comment section. I’ve listened to other groups and watch their content and while I enjoy them and some of their songs that doesn’t mean I’m going to be a multi stan. It’s ok to like other groups or become a fan if that’s the case but to be butt hurt over someone else’s opinions is just dumb and annoying. The only time I get irritated is when people say they like BTS and is or was a fan than turn around and say they are overrated or over hyped. Like what?! Than you were never a fan. I honestly think K-pop fans are jealous of the recognition and success BTS has and are upset they can’t do the same for their favs so they just resort to the “they are overrated” comment. Like whichever group(s) you like without putting down another because everyone’s taste in music is different.

[@Kalakeiko]

Tbh my personal issue with Boracity is not at all that she only does videos about BTS, that is completely fine, but that many of her videos seem to look down on the entire genre of Kpop and all of it's groups and the people that enjoy them to make BTS look better in comparison and that doesn't sit right with me at all.

[@blossom6693]

@@Kalakeiko she praised TXT for writing their songs so enhypen fan jump on her, many even doxxed her, she is a woman, the deragatory comment she has to endure , it's better she stay out of the kpop stan

[@Kalakeiko]

@@blossom6693 What does that have to do with looking down on all of Kpop? I don't condone this type of behaviour at all, it's unacceptable, and I feel sorry for her, but those type of people are in every fandom and community, not just Kpop and I don't think it can be avoided unfortunately.

[@blossom6693]

@@Kalakeiko she never look down upon any group, if you consider industry position and the system as a whole, you can understand her point a little better, and she talks about BTS and her target audience is army who are well aware of industry, you clearly don't know anything about kpop industry, Put your biases aside and watch the video from objectives point of view and do some deep research, she didn't lied and she makes VIDEO ESSAY NOT EXPLANATION VIDEO, you have to do your own research to understand her point,

[@Kalakeiko]

@@blossom6693 I do get her point and I don't agree with most of the industry and the way the artists are being treated and I agree with some of her arguments and videos. My issue with some of her videos are mostly that she doesn't balance her criticism. For example, saying that Kpop groups don't write, compose and produce their own music when several of them do, that Kpop groups have no artistic and unique style and identity and just switch from concept to concept when that isn't true or that Kpop fans don't care about music and only care about visuals and trends when that isn't the case. Those criticisms do apply to some fans and groups and I won't deny that, but certainly not all of them and a lot of people that watch her videos have the impression that all Kpop groups are the way she describes them to be, which is a shame. That is my point. I am very much aware of how the Kpop industry is, but it isn't all black and white either, like some people claim it is.

[@eileencritchley4630]

The thing is people aren't taught critical thinking anymore. They grab onto a ' buzz' word and take it completely out of context rather than taking a few minutes to really think about what's been said or what they've read. Also they don't ask for clarification if they are confused as to what the person has said or written.

[@mariev347]

EXACLY

[@AlexaOleksa]

25:07 idk, some of those fans just want that someone acknowledge that their group are on the same level as BTS🤷 they want validation from armys somehow. They can create their own videos, but they want our validation of their groups🤷

[@JesusOurLordandSavior]

​@deszuLmao, I think all artists would like a fandom like Army....

[@CaroCaro7517]

Pretty much shows the irony honestly. I see that 9/10 most of the time, kpop fans would like any other groups but BTS, and I see no problems in that alright? However, I don’t understand why it is such a big deal when it’s the other way around? 😅

[@pixiiie]

Personally for me, i only stan BTS and Newjeans. Before NewJeans, i was just a "bts-pop" ARMY. I would still like to consider myself as one since i believe bts have their own genre outside kpop. I casually listen to other kpop artists but wont check out their other side activities. And tbh i really dont fw some certain groups and kpop acts who have been shady af with tannies in the past and still is.

[@btsranghae13]

im not a fan of new jeans but i like a couple of their songs

[@MsKaz1000]

I'm ARMY I love BTS and sometimes I will listen to other Kpop songs but I have no interest in stanning them like BTS and I watch /sub to channels that are BTS channels and some that cover others as well as BTS and mostly I don't watch their videos if it's about groups I have no interest in

[@aindrilagoswami5353]

same

[@shreyaraghu027]

Hey seb! I've actually been watching you ever since you started reacting to kpop by watching BTS videos and I've slowly watched you grow and expand into the genre. No matter what anyone says, this is, was and will be the normal way for anyone to get into kpop. I am glad you are exploring the genre because it has a lot of variety to offer. I listen to a lot of artists too and got a lot of flak from fellow stans for that. And honestly I was confused for a hot minute ngl. But I realised that good music is good music man. Nobody gives a damn what anyone else says. Their own faves listen to a multitude of artists and enjoy listening to them. I hope you have a good time here! I do listen to a lot of artists but I stan BTS and TXT and can I end this message by requesting for MORE TXT CONTENT THANK YOU 😂😂😂😂

[@5XKXNXA]

Good Taste my dear💕 and so true! More TXT hehe

[@blossom6693]

No one gaf abt who u listen to, you people try to turn and twist it into that when the entire conversation start with always throwing BTS under the bus and never holding your co FANDOM accountable,

[@shreyaraghu027]

@@blossom6693 but I never did. That's the whole point. People assume I do just because I listen to other groups too.

[@anastasia.00]

"i don't know shit about shit" is the modern version of the philosophycal "I know that i know nothing" 😂

[@iamhere1384]

Armys normally only stan bts so I feel like K-pop stans get some sort of gratification or pleasure from getting armys to like other K-pop groups…. It’s kinda creepy and weird if we being fr

[@froggymuds]

I don't rlly think that's true? It's just natural to find groups you may like when you get more exposed to the genre. It feels honestly kind of unnatural the way army's force themselves to only stan bts and never to like any other groups (I was a hardcore army for like 3 years i have seen this behavior super frequently)

[@forg_tful.]

​​@@froggymudskpop is not a genre, it's an industry of people who do completely unrelated genres of music. which is why it's weird to want to catch them all like pokemon.

[@froggymuds]

@@forg_tful. ... do u actually think that no one is into kpop bc of the music?? I hate to break it to u but just bc u don't care about music doesn't mean every kpop fan doesn't... I pick my favorite groups based on if their music is good or not. Kind of a self report. also you're acting like ppl can't like more than one genre of music...

[@froggymuds]

@@forg_tful. it is not weird to want to explore new artists. I like a ton of different kpop music bc I think kpop is really unique and I find the music overall is generally more experimental and inventive, which I enjoy.

[@iamhere1384]

@@froggymuds I’m not “forcing” myself to do anything and neither are armys that only like bts. We don’t like K-pop, that’s it. Why’s that so hard for you people to accept and understand? Irdgaf how long you’ve been an “hardcore army” babes K-pop doesn’t equal bts for us just accept that and leave us be. The fact that you even felt the need to say what you did just proves my point even more. What’s unnatural is y’all wanting us to stan other groups sooooo bad. This ain’t a group project, we’re here for bts and bts ONLY. We put our blood sweat and tears into bts and bts ONLY. And that’s why they will forever be on top. You can stan whoever you want, just stop shoving whatever superiority complex (inferiority complex if we being fr) y’all K-pop stans have down our throats. We do not care.

[@reiday209]

One thing I’ll never understand is why kpop stans act the way they act😭This type of shit literally never happens in any other genre of music! BTS is above kpop, but a lot of armys are stuck in their roots frl frl…

[@Kalakeiko]

It's fine to not want to check out other groups or artists if you don't want to, but there's also nothing wrong with people suggesting artists or groups that are similar and that the other person might like or even love either imo, as long as they aren't forcing them to check them out and are respectful about it.

[@eileencritchley4630]

Correct it doesn't I'm a Rap fan and I'm not constantly told I have to like/enjoy/follow other Rap artist's that don't a line with my sensibilities. I don't blindly follow the crowd or do as I'm told I use my brain and come to my own decisions.

[@LovelyLittleLillies]

They act the way they act bc BTS will never divorce the kpop genre - everything about the kpop marketing formula is what got them this far and this big. If you think BTS is above kpop, when they literally sing mostly in Korean, then you're just ignorant about kpop, it's roots, it's culture, and it's influence on kpop. There's a reason BTS is judged in a separate category in western award shows and why they opened the bts sub-genre in western awards

[@markleesbruisedknee]

ayyee jre stopped by thats dope!

[@ruby_jn7]

love you seb ❤ hope to se you soon again ❤

[@shaneilalexander1183]

Hi seb love ur videos ❤❤

[@arishachain8481]

sorry what happened at 7:00

[@stylinzon]

jre commented on the stream!

[@Afos_kr]

@@stylinzonwho is it? I’m stupid

[@renaelizette]

Shocked to see how music is subdivided these days. I wish there’s a time when music is just music and people weren’t overthinking things. People love creating labels nowadays and if you step out of the line or you change your mind or if you dabble a bit outside the circle, you’ll sure to get a lot of hate. Worse case is your own people will disown you. Not just with music but with aesthetics, etc. All the dystopian novels I read when I was a kid are slowly about to come true if we’re going at this speed 😅 I’m ARMY but when I say I don’t like one song of BTS, I get hate from ARMY itself. It’s very traumatic. I understand why people walk around eggshells when it comes to BTS. I’m ARMY by definition but I’m scared of ARMY. So I just create my own fandom and thrive there. I know some people who don’t call themselves ARMY yet they are the most loyal fans when it comes to BTS. I used to not understand it. I keep thinking, “If you’re a fan, then you’re Army.” But now I get it. ARMY (generally speaking) is like AI gone wrong. It’s taken a life of its own. 😂 I will sure to get hate comments for this. People will tell me I’m not really a fan. Proves my point.

[@natashambulo3510]

If you're talking army twitter then yeah, they are just some things you don't do on army twitter. But to play devil's advocate, there are just some things you can keep to yourself like if you don't vibe with a song especially in a place where it can be taken out of context and used by antis to drag BTS. Army x BTS only have each other so we avoid people adding fuel to the fire that antis light up. Otherwise of course they are songs people will like more than others. We are all different. It just doesn't seem necessary going online to denounce or drag a song you don't like. Just skip it🤷. Or discuss it with in person armys if you have the privilege of army friends. Plenty of others who will like it. But I do hear your point and i hear you.💜 P.S I only spoke to try and defend army twt. I can't speak for any other situation you might have encountered like that. I'm sorry if you have.

[@peacheditsz]

I don't disagree with you. I truly love BTS. But I no longer want to call myself an Army. Yes im Army by definition as well. The Fandom can do so much better an the way this Fandom has been lately since 2020 tbh is too disappointing. I'm not proud to call myself Army like before. So it's best that I say I'm a Bangtan Lover. It's not all Armys (i met awesome Armys who have been supportive an fun) but most have shown to be too problematic. I understand the passion those Armys have. The thing is where it goes wrong is when you try to mold others, trying to mold the members, trying to be right an much more foolishness an it is too tiring. Arguments an conflicts for no reason. Its just...ugh. Im too old for it even though im not done being in my 20s. It's too much an I'm done officially today calling myself an Army. I didn't have the guts in 2020 to do it because I should have done it then but idc I'm doing it now. Its for the best. BTS might even be tired of it at times an it shows. They are adults now an the fact that they struggle in their own Fandom is too painful for me to see. Im glad they still love Army through it all, this being the reason I adore them. Even in that, I'm glad they are apart an having a break from all of this including Army because it was needed. Nothing is guaranteed anyway. But I needed to say this because I'm glad someone said this.

[@nightfrost1891]

people don't hate you if you don't like a song lol but if you have the pick me attitude of 'i don't like bts anymore because all their songs are in english' (when it's literally 3) or harp on how they aren't korean enough like the new jk song because apparently singing in a different language is bad then army's will roast you and rightfully so i feel like some k-pop stans just stan k-pop because it's different but when bts breaks out of that mold and show they can do it all, they get upset and say 'they aren't the same' because now they aren't different or niche enough for them i'm not accusing anyone in this thread of doing this but this is the only time i see people having a problem with an army not liking a song and i honestly agree OR when people get mad the guys solo ventures are a certain style when it's literally up to them and that's the point like people don't like jungkook's mature themes or jimin's use of autotune and instead of not loving it but understanding it (like people use autotune for artistic purposes) they act like they know better there is a way not to like a song and be respectful and get where they were going with it idk i think it's valid criticism back in that case if you're putting your opinion out there obviously it will be up for critique if i don't love a song that much i simply don't play it like...

[@peacheditsz]

@@nightfrost1891 I agree

[@blossom6693]

@@peacheditsz honey BTS get called terrorist just 2 days ago with 100k like on twitter, it's army who defend them only so no it's not overprotective it's just standing up for them and mind you we are get praise by korean bcz we literally clean whole premises for BTS festa in Korea, 450k army join but not a single waste was found, we give BTS a 10 year anniversary song, maybe curate your tl better rather than saying most of them .

[@pixiiie]

The only thing which j had disagreement tbh was boracity claiming and emphasizing on NewJeans girls writing ONE line, when NOONE actually knows how much they wrote in their songs besides the other lyricists and producers. Their names beong written at the end does mean they wrote the least, but that doesnt mean at all its supposed to be just ONE line. its as if she was trying to portray this image where girls just write to earn credits when in reality thats not the case. Hanni and Danielle genuinely LOVE writing and producing music and im so glad so far 8/12 songs have members writing credits in them.

[@lizethqp2258]

well they are last in the writing credits

[@pixiiie]

@@lizethqp2258 read my comment again

[@blossom6693]

​@@pixiiieshe said even if they wrote 1 lines, they should be credited, not the ceo,

[@YaGurlSunshine]

I admittedly do think you may still be seeing some bad intentions where there are none, so here’s some additional context to clear things up- at the time of this videos release, only the first four New Jeans songs had been released. So the only members with credits at the time were Hanni for Hype Boy and Danielle for Attention. While we don’t know specifically what Danielle wrote for Attention, Hanni specifically has mentioned that the only line she wrote that made it into Hybe Boy “got me chasing a daydream.” So no, that’s not an incorrect statement of fact- and what she was actually saying was that Hanni should be given the full credit for doing that rather than Min Heejin trying to make the whole New Jeans project about herself. The girls are writing for their music and are writing more as time goes on, but at the time of this videos release this was a very fair assessment of the situation.

[@pixiiie]

@@YaGurlSunshine I saw this boracity back when it dropped so I was perfectly well aware (and still am) that nwjns just had their debut ep released back then. And that interview y'all are referring to, hanni said ONE OF THE LINES she wrote was "got me chasing a day dream". that doesn't mean that was the ONLY line she wrote. Idk why y'all are getting offended when all I'm doing is clearing it all up. Also MHJ part was taken out of context. She was referring to how she's actually in control of everything going inside her label Ador and how the resources she allocate with the amount given by Hybe depends on her.yall should've read the entire thing

[@jughahaha0613]

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