The History of Rice, Air-Con and How The Mongols Really Won

The History of Rice, Air-Con and How The Mongols Really Won | Ash Sarkar meets Sunil Amrith

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@gustavoa.belfiore4701 2 ай бұрын

This was fascinating. I'm glad you mentioned the Argentinian Pampas and Patagonia regions as an example of displacement and settlement for economic reasons similar to the US and Canada, people tend to ignore that fact.

@thomasjohnson8033 Ай бұрын

There is an excellent movie called 'The Settlers' which delves into it, and I think its excellent!

@hylen26 2 ай бұрын

Excellent interview. Ash is the greatest. Silent Spring was 1962.

@raquetdude 2 ай бұрын

What’s its thoughts on non organic? Cause the organic movements end goal is lower population and a highly stratified ownership and access to land. Wonder how it holds up today is all

@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672 2 ай бұрын

This was a brilliant conversation. Lots to think about. I love it that Ash brought up the vernacular architecture and different schedules to deal with heat. There are also low-energy technologies for cooling becoming available. We absolutely need to go in that direction in the U.S. Also, I'd just like to say that the high-tech future last critiqued is not doable for anyone if we want to stay inside our remaining carbon budget.

@TheRussianAngle 2 ай бұрын

LOW MAINTENANCE LIFESTYLES. Each one of us can do this. Together we will make an enormous difference. No excuses. Just live simply.

@CHIEF_420 2 ай бұрын

Mas eficiente distribución de productos también

@thesargs 2 ай бұрын

💯

@JS-rm2ws 2 ай бұрын

& stop flying to the other side of the world just to relax or to "find yourself"

@migattenogokui1306 2 ай бұрын

Capitalists don't want us to consume less because the more we consume the more power we are giving to the rich and even worse, the more we convince them of the idea that we need them

@twhite8308 Ай бұрын

Voluntary Simplicity goes way back. Small is Beautiful. Predate Reagan's unlimited capital and conspicuous consumption.

@helenswan705 2 ай бұрын

What a really interesting and unusual interview! Thank you both

@stephen_pfrimmer 2 ай бұрын

Thank you Sunil Amrith. Your answer to the question of human nature was excellent. It comports well with what John Dewey wrote in Human Nature and Conduct. Thank you as always, Ash, for asking such thoughtful, caring, and insightful questions. Some people want to join monasteries. Deer Park sounds nice to me.

@sanderdejong2455 2 ай бұрын

Wonder if there's many more ppl like me. Stopped flying years ago, never had a car or a drivers license, hardly ever buy anything but food. In practice I eat mostly vegan, and always from scratch. Nowadays I get a third of my fruit and vegetables selftilled, and I'm good with the supermarket across the street when they got surplus. At times I drive a bicyclecab that has batteries fed by solar panels, next to a wide array of other odd stuff I do, or did for money, like dj, sing, write, act, dance or model, but always just up to the point that I had enuf, cuz time beats money always. Raised and raise 5 kids this way, oldest two are no longer hanging on, but catching up on me:) Officially I may have always been poor (in a rich country tho), but it has never felt that way. Oooh, and I love trains, so I still get around in Europe:)

@skyefarnam7857 2 ай бұрын

If people aspired to simplicity instead of materialism we would have a vastly different human trajectory.

@antonyjh1234 2 ай бұрын

If the herd size hasn't increased in numbers methane warming from cattle is neutral because methane leaves after 80 years, carbon builds up and is around 10k years, having fruits and veges flown in while cattle or a carnivore diet is more environmentally cleaner would you change? Making a second comment cos the others ones not showing up.

@antonyjh1234 2 ай бұрын

PS we feed more crop waste than food we grow for them, I'm ex v, going v is the worst choice for the planet, 99.97% of the mass of the atmosphere is 100k high, all the sprays we put into the system are more for human crops. Having food flown in from Africa is not a better choice. Considering we get more than meat, that all need a grown replacement and all the emissions are put on the meat, an unfair comparison, like gelatine to hold together toilet paper, we get so much more than food, even pet food in in the hundreds of thousands of tons, if they all need a sprayed replacement this is not better than basically the same as a wild animal.

@BGTIvan1 2 ай бұрын

@@antonyjh1234 yes. The fallacy of being vegan is good for the environment….

@antonyjh1234 2 ай бұрын

@@BGTIvan1 Around 3% are, same as the decades ago when I was, a 3500% increase in sprays would wipe out the insect world.. We feed more crops than food we grow for them, crop based subsidises caged the most.

@shinywarm6906 2 ай бұрын

Great interview! 37:00 "These are the [moral] choices that make us who we are" is a good way to put it. 50:00 Ash is also bang on in her response to the "aircon is a necessity" suggestion - that's only if we accept every country should look like the US one day.

@rmilang2370 Ай бұрын

Love this! Absolutely my definition of COOL! Amazing how several questions that I have been ruminating over for several years came up. Both Sunil & Ash are brilliant. This was the kind of stuff that got me so in love with Novara. Definitely the kind of stuff the world needs more of!

@Madaboutmada 2 ай бұрын

Terrific conversation! Now book one with Robin Kimmerer to dig deeper into reciprocity.

@bedardpelchat Ай бұрын

The problem is not that we can't handle 8 billion people. The problem is how we do it and certainly the way we do it now is totally unsustainable and it will collapse on ourselves. This is such a wonderful conversation between the two of you, questions and answers with a wide spectrum and implications.

@grothendieck 2 ай бұрын

Indeed, this was a great conversation! Incidentally, there is a 2012 talk by Noam Chomsky, think it was given it at the University of Arizona, and the title was something along the lines of “education: for whom and for what” . In this talk, Chomsky has an interesting take on the Charter of the Forests with relevance to how our own civilization is run and organized-in particular how decisions about natural resources and the environment are less and less under democratic control, with obvious catastrophic implications

@user-jv1fz3um3t 2 ай бұрын

Great interview. Good to hear the ethical and climate justice issues around environmental action discussed.

@skyefarnam7857 2 ай бұрын

Our problems require political,social and technological solutions. The impetus for these changes will come from necessity, elevated awareness and economics. It’s a completely natural system and as a reminder not all organisms are ultimately successful.

@stevenovetsky3274 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating, thanks for a really interesting interview.

@janeglover3118 2 ай бұрын

Both my late parents, my younger sis and my son have travelled to other countries. Ive never had that opportunity as i could never afford it, and too busy working to survive &/or looking after other people. If ever i had the money and chance to travel, id actually prefer to see more of my own country, Australia, by train. I can but dream. 😑✨️

@yonowaaru 2 ай бұрын

I hope you get the opportunity to see more of this beautiful country we call home 😊

@Londonechoes 2 ай бұрын

One day you'll make it happen!

@gamerknown 2 ай бұрын

My manager’s mother had never been abroad either and she paid for her to come over to the U.K., can be very touching for someone.

@nicolaford7510 2 ай бұрын

What a sweet, thoughtful man.

@thefinancialanalyst31 2 ай бұрын

I know we tend to shame ourselves into reducing our carbon footprints (and there’s definitely good room for changing what we can, when we can), but I often find that the supply side of the economy needs WAY smoke against them and how they’ve created (and are continuously creating) systems that scorch earth carbon emissions in our world

@babylonian.captivity 2 ай бұрын

That was fabulous. (And Ash is my favorite person in the world.).

@JohnWesleyBarker 2 ай бұрын

"Sliding Doors", brilliant, write it Ash.

@turnipsociety706 2 ай бұрын

23:00 genetic studies have shown that rice paddies i.e. water rice are actually fairly recent. Most rice grown in east asia historically was dry rice, which grows just like wheat or millet

@RedSntDK 2 ай бұрын

With regards to air condition: It's amazingly dumb how awnings went out of fashion and almost forgotten, just because it became a symbol of "old fashioness" and was almost completely replaced by modern aircondition.

@tvismyonlyfriend 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's a great avenue to explore

@girlyvoice3210 2 ай бұрын

I'd love to see an account of how we in wealthy countries can consume less but maintain a similar level of convenience and diversity of hobbies. For example designing things in a more modular and combinatorial way

@kenpentel3396 2 ай бұрын

Thank you

@eemoogee160 2 ай бұрын

Environmental concerns are primary

@SampaJasli Ай бұрын

great talk

@JohnJohnson-mq5ve 2 ай бұрын

Interesting guy and fascinating interview! Thanks!

@malou2143 2 ай бұрын

Great interview.

@raquetdude 2 ай бұрын

Ey a pro non organic urban environmentalist on here finally!

@craftspaces4475 2 ай бұрын

When Ash says that we cannot handle seeing on our screen all those beautiful interesting places and not visit them, I think it should be the way around: why do we have to see them in person? We are privilege to see them with high definition images and close shot which would not see being there physically; not to mention the queues and the crowd which is very annoying. Most places on earth have lost their harmony and authenticity due to massive tourism.

@scottishbanjo 2 ай бұрын

This guy would make a great telly intellectual

@lifesonance 2 ай бұрын

Great Interview! De-growth is the future.

@Kuna33_ 2 ай бұрын

Definitely! Not sure why Novara hasn't had some outspoken degrowthers on yet

@lifesonance 2 ай бұрын

@@Kuna33_ 100% It would be awsome to see an interview with @VladBunea

@hindrance-u4r 2 ай бұрын

Ash is Amazing

@johnmoorefilm 2 ай бұрын

Hard to tell the other monkeys to go hungry when you’ve already had your bananas…

@jasonhaven7170 2 ай бұрын

Unusual metaphor, but apt

@johnmoorefilm 2 ай бұрын

The Mongol Empire was a roving shake-down outfit - like Tony Soprano in a mini-van….

@oatmealeverymorning 2 ай бұрын

😂😂

@bubstacrini8851 2 ай бұрын

The American Empire IS a roving shake - down outfit... Culturally, the Sopranos are teaching young Americans how to navigate the world

@Nom_AnorVSJedi 2 ай бұрын

Interesting

@nicolaford7510 2 ай бұрын

Ash is great . All novara women are !

@Kareem-hl8hj 2 ай бұрын

It will be helpful to include a timeline with titles🧐

@paulmarshall4793 2 ай бұрын

Churchill is interesting as he's also happy for the blitz to keep RAF bases less targeted, the anything to win mentality does mean that and I don't celebrate that

@modern.monkE99 2 ай бұрын

Plants are wonderful ❤❤❤❤❤

@jakubrokita2261 2 ай бұрын

There’s a reason why small groups are predominantly nomadic until agriculture is introduced and where agriculture can’t sustain itself they remain nomadic - they graze the land out and move on. The only reason why this wasn’t a problem is numbers (Malthaus). Rough calculation - UK has enough land to sustain 300k foragers to the exclusion of all others. The deromanticising must continue.

@gollygosh40 2 ай бұрын

rich people should consume less, the rest should waste less

@stangie34 2 ай бұрын

how he get that posh posh upper class diction fam

@hemikovsky 2 ай бұрын

Ash is an excellent interviewer. Asks Tough questions!

@beefjerky5708 2 ай бұрын

@mrbearbear83 Billionaires don't consume. They hoard money. They make it by persuading you to consume things you don't need. Water, Food, Clothing, Shelter and some Energy are the basics of life. Anything else is a luxury.

@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672 2 ай бұрын

Not to argue with the genocidal nature of the destruction of the bison & removal of the tribes, you do realize that the first generations of cows on the U.S. Great Plains were using a grasslands ecosystem in almost the same way as the bison had been. The transformation of the ecosystem came when the settlers started fencing the plains and plowing them up.

@DharmaPunk111 2 ай бұрын

And when we started consuming way too much beef. People during the time you're speaking of didn't even consume half the beef humanity is currently consuming. We have almost as many cows on the earth as people. Beef should not be produced and farmed as much as it currently is as we growing more crops for the cows then we are for humanity because cows have 4 stomachs. This is incredibly inefficient as we could solve world hunger by feeding people those crops instead of feeding cows.

@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672 2 ай бұрын

@@DharmaPunk111 I totally agree with you about modern consumption of beef, and that we should quit using our arable land to feed beef cows in feedlots. The Great Plains in their natural state produce huge herds of herbivores, and that's what the tribes on the plains mostly ate. Especially after they got horses and could move further into the plains.

@bubstacrini8851 2 ай бұрын

@@DharmaPunk111Cows have multiple stomachs as they evolved to eat large masses of nutrient poor food like grass which is largely cellulose. The only reason the great plains can produce the vast cereal crops they do, is because we hunted the large herbivores to near extinction...now with no large herds manure ,which was also the vehicle for spreading of native seed, we now need seed, fertilizer & other even less savory amendments to keep the show from collapsing. Pure cereal crops the world over must rely on preventing everything from Elephants to sparrows from eating the crops... it's important to understand that it's always an ecological trade off. Silva pastoralism can be a best use for much of the world's marginal lands.

@gsygsy 2 ай бұрын

This is great, thank you. Ash, you cite T.S. Eliot -- his distaste for the rise of the working class is all too evident in The Waste Land. He's not a writer worth quoting approvingly in this context, I feel.

@RedSntDK 2 ай бұрын

11:20 Ehh, I dunno. Look at iceland, lebanon and the easter islands. Serious lack of trees where there once was a lot. Same happened in Denmark, and it wasn't until the 1800s (after the British blew up our fleet during the Napoleonic wars for being "neutral") we (Danes) realized "oh, we're down to just 1-2% forest and we've wiped out indigenous birch". We're still felling forests globally where we really shouldn't. Obviously Amazon forest come to mind, but Australia is also making koala's homeless in a disgusting way. Ok, argument being "small communities know their limits" is hard to prove because of history being mostly undocumented until capitalism arrives, but I'd still argue that even then, misconceptions about how nature might work could've come in the way of nature preservation in the past. It's not too long ago that people thought "life just erupts out of nowhere!" because microbiology wasn't understood of even a thing yet.

@MeVe-jb7nn 2 ай бұрын

In regards to the argument that privation can serve as a force for empire building, doesn't the fact that China chose to desist from empire building negate that, seeing as how famine due to drought or other natural disasters also happened throughout China's history? And am also wondering if the black plague didn't affect China?

@Zongooo 2 ай бұрын

There have been lots of empires in China.

@richardgledhill6801 2 ай бұрын

Best way to cut consumption is to close down AMAZON!!

@stumpymctool3718 2 ай бұрын

Humans haven't lived in natural equilibrium with nature, for god knows how long. There are roughly 8 billion people (according to rough estimates) in the world. Plus, that figure is still growing. If you as an individual like your current standard of living - power, food, medicine, travel (local and international, education, employment, etc, etc, then something has to give. The guys heart is in the right place, I'll give him that.

@stumpymctool3718 2 ай бұрын

My apologies, I meant pragmatic not enigmatic. It is late here as I type this.

@turnipsociety706 2 ай бұрын

Equilibrium with nature is a modern spiritual concept, but not a scientific work. Nature, as studied by biology and natural sciences, is not programmed somehow to be in equilibrium. Describing equilibrium in nature is a human endeavour, similar to describing a harmonious society. It's a tool for action or a lalaland fantasy

@SunnyChoudhary-k5k 2 ай бұрын

When Europeans gained control of land , it started to die. Now after decolonising some parts of the world ,you enforce this culture of consumption using WTO.

@davidquispe1584 2 ай бұрын

It always seems disingenuous to use the "8 billion people to feed" line to shut down conversation. I live in a third world country that is "poor" by all the metrics you listed, not because we need more consumption (materials and energy use) but because our current consumption and lifestyles are directed toward chasing the illusion of modernity and development. If we were to re-direct it to our actual food and health needs, we wouldn't need to do any more consuming. It's the global north that needs to stop consuming but can't afford to because they are addicted to it, so they conveniently pretend that they care about "developing" the third world.

@stumpymctool3718 2 ай бұрын

@davidquispe1584 thank you for presuming that all of the global north are responsible for your alleged claim. I speak a factual truth, and it roughly correct for the whole world. More ppl = more consumption of resources. No matter what those are - food, energy, medicine, etc. You either bring in an extremely tough/borderline totalitarian rule with regards to the amount of kids ppl can have (like China used to), or you consume more to feed the needs of all. I get your point, but as I state above

@angelasutherland7479 2 ай бұрын

People have always been able to travel long before aeroplanes were invented using natural means. Sail, walking, horse and cart bicycles etc....

@nicolaford7510 2 ай бұрын

Better information is desperately needed.

@fromafricaicame5909 2 ай бұрын

Against the grain by James C Scott

@nicolaford7510 2 ай бұрын

Travelling is in human dna. You can go to warm places ( perhaps soon to be too warm) without flying. Not always hideously expensive. Worth looking into at least.

@gabrielajonczyk5663 2 ай бұрын

One person that exploits the resources can be more damaging than ten people living the low energy life. There is no point in doing stuff if the useless plastic will still be produced to be put on shelfs even if nobody will buy it. Plane still will fly with ten people, making pollution. Action should be legislative and societal more than exclusive, drastic and individualistic.

@davehardy718 2 ай бұрын

Population is such a taboo topic for valid reasons. Unfortunately nature doesn’t care about taboos. We are no different to any other species on earth, too many draining the carrying capacity ends up collapsing. I agree with the point that some countries need to consume much much less and others need to consume more in a simple fairness equation, but to even contemplate that population isn’t a problem means one hasn’t got a full understanding of ecology or energy. Even looking at this from the point of view of Food. We have only been able to grow our current world population off the backs of fossil fuels helping to mass produce food. Which is obviously causing climate and ecological destruction. We need to have an adult conversation about some in the world consuming less, and other consuming more, whilst making sure we not only “degrowth” the economies, but “degrowth” the population as well. Otherwise nature will end up doing it for us, and it will be a lot less pleasant. This can be summed up by the Nate Hagens phrase “bend, not break”

@antonyjh1234 2 ай бұрын

Rice already emits more than beef, on a warming planet rice is supposed to double its methane output because of warmer soils. If the herd size has not increased in a country for 80 years then as methane leaves after 80 years no further warming has occurred and cattle are carbon neutral for the methane they emit.

@michaeleverson9465 2 ай бұрын

Do you know if that is more per calorie, or absolute numbers? Does it include the feed that goes to many (not all) cattle?

@antonyjh1234 2 ай бұрын

@@michaeleverson9465 Thos is the amount rice emits as a percentage over beef, rice feeds more people, but rice isn't nutritious. The feed that goes into cattle in USA anyway is mainly corn and it is half the amount all animals take which they ALL take around a third of just one crop, corn so cattle take 15% of one crop. 350 million tons of corn is grown, crops for humans in USA is I think 5.9 Billion tons, we spray far more tonnage onto human crops which is where NO2, something far whose than methane, 300 times worse than carbon which is tractor diesel fuel. If we were to use calorie it should be total calories of what we use.

@antonyjh1234 2 ай бұрын

@@michaeleverson9465 At this stage in time all emissions of the total animal are put onto the edible calories. If we were to use total calories, so gelatine to hold toilet paper together, activated carbon for water filers, fats that go into plastics, if we were to use total calorie it would be interesting to see the amount of total calories a cow has. That should ne the metric for calories, how much energy are we receiving for 86% of what they eat, we can't and the 14% of their diet that is grown for them what the benefit would be, but using calories or edible against edible, while ignoring the other 50% of the more dense calories does have its issues that need to be rectified if an honest conversation is to be held.

@algernonsidney8746 2 ай бұрын

I wonder this guy considers inflation and austerity to be good things since these phenomenons have reduced consumption amongst the working and middle classes.

@Seagreengoat 2 ай бұрын

💚

@johnmoorefilm 2 ай бұрын

Here’s one for ya : as Ai comes marching over the horizon, in lock-step with “business owners” desire to cut labor, how many times to we need reminding that science fiction writers have called all of this and (spoiler alert) : we lose. If there is no God and no Phrophets, then Ballard, Orwell, Kubrick, Clarke and Wagner & Grant from Judge Fucking Dread have us covered…

@siamfd202 2 ай бұрын

No, I consume more!

@DaenorGunnison 2 ай бұрын

Question Do you think if there hadn't been all this colonisation and all the resources taken and most of the wealth that these cou tries wouldn't have chosen to become westernised.

@vickanden7816 2 ай бұрын

Wait I just saw Bernie sanders name pop up…what!?

@SlayerEddyTV 2 ай бұрын

I think the majority of us buys what we really need and maybe have some extras if we can afford it...If the world needs us to use less then it can't be just down to the consumer, it must be the makers of all this stuff that needs to make it all last much much longer so we can use less, lasting a lifetime if possible, and where possible upgrade it. It is the rich that over consumes.

@aryaman05 2 ай бұрын

How often do you see the rich gorging down junk food or waste money on all sorts of worthless junks ?

@SlayerEddyTV 2 ай бұрын

@@aryaman05 I'm pretty sure their is more to it than people eating McDonald's and other junk foods.

@uksultan3920 2 ай бұрын

The Muslim lifestyle is about having less. Fasting twice a week, fill the stomach with a third food, liquid and leave a third for air. Donate more than buying Luxuries etc

@safiakadir7695 2 ай бұрын

But unfortunately they have moved away from these values in droves, only a handful of my friends eat less or fast Monday/Thursdays. It is sad.

@warringtribes6689 2 ай бұрын

No one cares

@m0fr001 2 ай бұрын

No one is asking people to stop flying once a year to see their family.. My parents fly to Vegas and florida every other month.. fuck them.. thats more where the problem is.. Idk.. people arent "experiencing" places as much as they are checking them off a list and farming likes

@nickfiggis6396 2 ай бұрын

Bit annoying to see a discussion on the burning planet without a reference to meat consumption considering the amazing is literally being burned right now to make way for ever more cattle ranching. It’s a blind spot for the novara gang as they don’t want to confront their own consumption habits but like it or not - thought leaders have a responsibility here.

@54tisfaction 2 ай бұрын

I totally get the angst Ash has about enviromental concerns ending Air travel... I mean, we all remember how the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock in their Boeing 737, or how Lord Nelson won the battle of Trafalgar in his Avro Lancaster! There is no other way to travel than by air. I'm sure of it. That's how Humanity spread into the Pacific Ocean.

@jasonhaven7170 2 ай бұрын

Why are u here

@54tisfaction 2 ай бұрын

@@jasonhaven7170 To offer thoughts. You are welcome.

@jasonhaven7170 2 ай бұрын

@@54tisfaction Poorly constructed thoughts.

@54tisfaction 2 ай бұрын

@@jasonhaven7170 Or did you just misinterpret them?

@jasonhaven7170 2 ай бұрын

@@54tisfaction nope, they're poorly constructed.

@nicolaford7510 2 ай бұрын

People flying to connect families are not what is driving the expansion of aviation. But, many journeys can be made By train. Or should be. Face facts. 80 % of the world don't currently fly. At this point in time, if they did, sadly it would greatly contribute to the destruction of the world. How do we make flying equitable? It is not the transport of the future.

@BartAnderson_writer 2 ай бұрын

Watching interviews like this one: - markedly raises your IQ - makes one disgusted with mainstream media

@Joe-f4c 2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure it raises our IQ but one can hope.n

@dentonfender6492 2 ай бұрын

We must consume less so the population can keep on expanding. That really makes sense---- LOL! We either need to colonize the solar system, so we can continue to expand, or control population growth. The only two logical choices that exist on a planet of finite space, and more importantly finite resources, and don't forget we share this planet with other animals that have a right to live, and prosper, just as we do.

@haggaisimon7748 2 ай бұрын

i have a hard time to concentrate what are they talking about. waving hands, seems to me something about bernian sotheming. have no idea whats that.

@r0galik 2 ай бұрын

How about making People's Soylent?

@gurpreetkaurchohan2236 Ай бұрын

Turned it off after he quoted Indira Gandhi.

@mrbearbear83 2 ай бұрын

Ill consume less when billionaires do

@beefjerky5708 2 ай бұрын

Billionaires don't consume. They hoard money. They make it by persuading you to consume things you don't need. Water, Food, Clothing, Shelter and some Energy are the basics you need. Anything else is a luxury.

@beefjerky5708 2 ай бұрын

Billionaires don't consume. They hoard money. They make it by persuading you to consume things you don't need. Water, Food, Clothing, Shelter and some Energy are the basics of life. Anything else is a luxury.

@beefjerky5708 2 ай бұрын