Why Destiny 2 is Genuinely a Bad Game

[@sportblort1021]

I blame the community almost as much as Bungie. When people tried to protest all the monetization changes, there were just as many if not more people calling them haters and defending Bungie's inexcusable actions, so those players left. Now this is the state the game is in, and you can bet it will only get worse.

[@SloodermanSloodin]

The D2 shills are some of the most die hard deplorable communities I’ve ever seen.

[@Abreat]

Facts!! I was one of those calling it out since they said departing from Activision they’d cut back. But now everyone agrees years later because a bunch of KZbinrs put Bungie on blast. 😐

[@crimsonpotemkin]

This happens to every game where the developer tries to implement more and more predatory monetisation. For example, guild wars 2. There will always be a group of brain dead consumers who will applaud as they're being robbed. They are just that stupid and if they weren't playing video games they'd get scammed of their own volition somewhere else.

[@Erickhetfield]

I blame it more. Bungie is looking for itself, the community is going against itself.

[@stuporman]

​​@@Abreatt's funny to think that Activision were the ones holding them back from going full on "minimal viable product". Now in their presentations they literally brag about it.

[@jrockz133t]

Hell Bungie is so confident in nickeling and diming their community they had a convention presentation about their monetization for other studios

[@gudgurl]

That's how little they respect their players. They think you're all braindead twats!

[@moshilore2k16]

What really?

[@edgieststalker8141]

​@@moshilore2k16yeah, it was basically Bungie teaching how to do a Live-service right to other Playstation IPs

[@andrewkelley3434]

Bungie is also the reason why Naughty Dog hasn't released their Last Or Us: Faction multiplayer because Sony took Bungie's opinion as gospel when they had them consult on it. Likely, they didn't see a massive way to rip off the fan base and that can't stand in the world of Bungie multiplayer. I stopped playing D2 when Bungie announced that they were removing paid content for "the good of the game" get F'd Bungie.

[@Cruxis_Angel]

I’m terrified for that they’re going to do to Sonys 1st party multiplayer. I’m sure factions was ready to show but bungie saw that there wasn’t enough monetization/live service gimmicks. I’m sick of them and just want a traditional PS2/PS3 era multiplayer game again.

[@DryRot69]

I’m an older player, 53. Destiny has been my favorite game of all time. I’ve sunk 17k hours into Destiny 1/2. I walked away from D 2 prior to this current season. The season model, well, had enough. My biggest issue is paying for the same guns, armor, content over and over. Most of the gun archetypes are from white, Destiny year one models.

[@noizyboyxl]

id say wait until after marathon comes out , they’ll probably leave d2 in a state similar to age of triumphs. Speaking from a place of hope though so who knows

[@rechelieu]

I am exactly your age. I kind of quit on D2 right before Lightfail. I lost desire to play it, first time since beta D1. And now that that we have two juggernaut of games out, Diablo 4 and Zelda, and more greatness on the horizon, I have a bad feeling Destiny will stay in my dust. Diablo alone gutted my desire to play it. It is fabulous and gives me the same vibes as Destiny 1 used it. How can I say No to that?

[@liquidsweg4858]

Honestly I love the D1 weapon models

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@noizyboyxl I don’t know if I’m misremembering here I could be entirely wrong here but didn’t some of the people working on d2 at the time sabotage d2 in some form because of the success with age of triumph? I feel like i heard or read that somewhere. Again I can’t remember so I could be wrong.

[@strugglelll6952]

@@noizyboyxl unless marathon flops completely, remember they’re still using tiger engine on that new game

[@Regular_Everyday_Normal_MF]

And this is one of the reasons why games like Dark Souls are revered as some of the best games of all time and I enjoy them so much. Besides the DLC’s, there’s absolutely ZERO microtransactions, battle passes, currencies you can only buy with real money, cosmetics, or boosts to progression. Oh, you want that cool armor set that invader has? GO AND GET IT YOURSELF I’m happy that Elden Ring didn’t fall into this trap and kept the Dark Souls formula and what made us fall in love with it going.

[@NovemberHotel]

100% facts

[@reggielacey2235]

Nah, I wouldn't mind it

[@babyyodasoup7894]

@@reggielacey2235you are part of the problem

[@divinecomedian2]

FromSoft is the exception in the sea of garbage that is modern AAA games

[@kirkcarmouche3357]

@@reggielacey2235you’re the problem

[@somahagymasy5341]

The saddest part is, no matter how many of us raise our voices with concern and tell Bungie to stop their schemes, they will fall on deaf ears. I have lost faith in the company that made my childhood and teenage years special and got me hooked up on gaming and FPS shooters. This company is not the same Bungie who made Halo 1-reach. This is not the same Bungie who made Destiny 1. These are not the same brilliant minds who were behind Forsaken, the last great era of D2. At this point, even a D3 wouldn’t save our playerbase because we keep on giving in to the soullessness of corporate greed. It is over guys, we will never get those good old days of 2015-18 back. And my heart is utterly shattered because of it.

[@GayForklift]

That hurts

[@douglaswalker7707]

it falls on deaf ears because you keep buying the shit? you cant complain about something you dont like and then keep buying it, companies dont look at youtube videos or comment for feed back, they look at statistic and money

[@elseggs6504]

They only listen to finances and maybe by extension playercount. Asking nicely doesnt do much for greedy AAA devs

[@shade_steppa]

It really is over man. I should have listened to BDobbinsFTW vids back in D1…we got cucked

[@shade_steppa]

Should have known as soon as I downloaded the dark below and it was a whopping 40 mb, it was already on the disk and I knew it but kept playing

[@prawnk1ng]

This is so true. The fact you can enter the cash shop from anywhere but the vendor is physically in the tower. You can’t access the vault or other vendors whilst in an activity.

[@Nillkiggas911]

3 years ago I made a post in D2 reddit saying that having to use DIM(a external site) to be able to access the basic function of so many other RPG has is the stupidest shit ever and got downvoted to hell. This glazing, meat riding mentality is exactly why Bungie pumped out dogshit like lightfall

[@The_Reaper101]

@@Nillkiggas911lol Lightfall wasn’t planned 😂 anyways

[@KawaiiPotat0]

the biggest issue js the bungie defense force that will fight tooth and nail to justify paying money to access gear that was taken away from them before, recycled gear or just imported shit from destiny 1

[@rechelieu]

They defend their addiction. Addicts don't see it.

[@DragonKnight90001]

The sad thing is nearly every game has a defence force in some form or another.

[@niks660097]

@@DragonKnight90001 bro i have 600 hours in destiny 2 but, let me tell you destiny players will defend bungie to extreme lengths, paid dungeon!? just buy it are you broke!?, vaulting paid content like entire destiny 2 campaign (the reason its called "2" not 1), why didn't you play it before!? they'll sell their house just to give bungie more money..

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@niks660097 true that’s very true.

[@chillywilly61]

don't even get me started on those people I am to the point where I think they have to be burner accounts from Bungie brass but ofc they are actual people.

[@RazzleTheRed1]

I tried to get into Destiny 2 a few months ago, the guns felt really fun to use. But the game also felt to me like there was absolutely nothing to work towards, especially without paying. So I dropped it pretty quick with no intention of ever picking it back up.

[@fgauswob]

I did the same thing, moved the game over to my Xbox, logged in and nothing. Uninstalled and it's going to stay that way. Sad so I had fun lots of laughter.

[@Duggybud]

It was fun back in 2019

[@Aleksc12]

Yep, if u don’t have the latest expansions there’s literally nothing to pursue Lmfao

[@grizz7271]

Good on ya, you’re better off by stopping before you got sucked in

[@zilla227]

I just started mine and it feels like your actions are so limited without spending a fortune I might uninstall the game.

[@foxknifefynn6865]

My dad played both D2 and D1, he turned 51 in May. He stopped playing in season 19 because he was sick of the seasonal model, and the game not being very solo player friendly. He loved this game, and having fun with new builds and wacky weapons, and loves the PVP side of things. And I still talk to him about Destiny because he loves the game, but he's just done.

[@blacksage3429]

i feel the same as your dad, this game and this company doesn't deserve the support it's getting , not anymore, they betrayed us pretty badly

[@jdvsjboy]

I agree with your dad, the game turned into a cash shop with no reason to really play it. Nothing new was added besides a story, exotic and they sold us reskins of the same weapons for the seasonal weapons. It's more money for less content every expansion sadly🤦🏾‍♂️

[@almosender2273]

How is the Game not solo player friendly? There are videos on youtube of people literally soloing raids nowadays. You can get Raid loot solo, farm all exotic armor pieces solo, you can LFG nearly every activity in the Game.

[@blacksage3429]

@@almosender2273 no

[@SandyCheeks1896]

@@almosender2273 you’re talking about solo possible, not solo friendly

[@fancyman4563]

My biggest issues with Bungie is first taking content away that I paid for. I have sunken over 100$ into the game and most of that content was deleted. Also they seem to not be able to be consistent to any any degree with the quality of expansions, they have proven that they are capable of making good expansions but it seems most of them especially lightfall end up being horrible.

[@bottom523]

Absolutely this. I couldn't continue playing after they removed so much paid content, and what sucked the most is that there was barely any backlash to it. Most of the playerbase just rolled over while at the same time defending Bungie. If the game was so bloated that you had to remove content to continue, maybe it's, ya know, time to make a new game. But no, they didn't want to give up the current playerbase and subsequent cash flow, so the consumers paid the cost.

[@mistermqzk5875]

You deserve what you tolerate,until a majority of content creators push back with boycotting of the cashshop nothing will change

[@Victor-dh6hc]

Sweatcicle having a seasonal stream event where he spends like $100+ on just the eververse store is always painful to see

[@subzero308]

I stopped supporting all them

[@blacksage3429]

and most of them do the opposite, they would spend a couple thousand dollars on a game they are going stream or make videos off of

[@eugeneoisten9409]

​@Victor-dh6hc The fact that you even watch that entitled toddler makes you complicit and, therefore, a part of the problem.

[@deusvultpictures6550]

@@Victor-dh6hc Fuck Sweaticle

[@O6i]

Their greed ruined it for me. The game from launch until today costs over 500$. And that initial 250$ content was deleted from the game. They give reskin wrapons that they sunset every season and never do anything new. Never balanced anything. 10 tiers of pay walls for content. Its pathetic.

[@YovrBiggestHater]

Every couple of years we go through this, I believe with the introduction of new players this monetization plan is all they know so the older players voices aren’t heard and they don’t plan on changes their ways

[@ledizzy2634]

This is so true

[@hugofrederico7054]

W/o older players there wasn't destiny nowadays in t first place ...

[@mediumsurmoon6283]

@@JL32506this is the painful harsh truth that Bungo bootlickers desperately try to avoid to accept

[@wavey_117]

True, the cycle will just continue on and on

[@sumerian88]

Yeah, younger generations are indoctrinated to hyper aggressive monetization gaming. Many of them become addicted and see the situation as normal now.

[@EthanTheRedHead]

This video speaks to me so much because my biggest gripe for ages that no one else seems to get is the degragation of in game cosmetic rewards in favour of selling them. Shit like no hard mode armour in raids and even not being arsed to port d1 raids fully with all of their guns and cosmetics is taking the piss, especially given back in vog rerelease they locked some shaders or some shit behind silver saying it was an unlockable reward that you had to pay for. Absolutely egregious

[@derekmaldonado4672]

If Bungie could sell you an armor set for $20 at eververse as opposed to creating a season worth of content at the same price, they’d focus more on the armor sets. They’ll only stop if players don’t whale their accounts.

[@ThePresidentofMars]

Thats never happening unfortunately, leave it long enough and only whales will be left, and pvp players.

[@hugofrederico7054]

Dude how long you play this game? It's been this way for years... and we all love this game but guilty at same time just hoping things will change... maybe u weren't around back when bungie straight lie and was caught joking around w t about of xp players could earn just to introduce t eververse ... and ppl thought activision was t problem...

[@hugofrederico7054]

If ppl have a little of decency they should stop playing d2 if not they are part of t problem n can't complain if one day they realize they are nothing but a credit card number to bungie nowadays... and for t love of God stop supporting those twitch streamers most of them are bad persons to begin with but hey maybe it's just me

[@gravemind883]

​​​​​@@hugofrederico7054"ooh deh gaem hash alwayshh been lik diss! Piss off "it's always been like this" the first season The Red War had more going for it than what's going on now! You guys just go lower and lower! Side note: you're telling people "to leave and stop playing" we already have! You drones are the ones left playing! Along with the crotch goblin failed abortions that keep ham-fisting money down bungies throat!

[@gravemind883]

​@@hugofrederico7054also also you go on about people needing to have a sense of decency, yet here you are still playing the game having no decency. It'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating.

[@Gator500]

The fact that dungeons aren’t included in dlc is just the worst to me, it’s so scummy

[@NebulaVXII]

I feel like the some of the best way to sum up issues with this games, are in twabs/ other communications saying excuses that making certain content would take them to long or be to hard because they're tired. I wish I could do that at my job. Or the quotes from Blackburn saying it's hard to tell these super creative individuals to not over deliver and to cut content they wanna make

[@voidimperial1179]

I find it completely insane that bungie literally went and said "Yeah we're deliberately self-sabotaging our own stuff and making our playerbase pay more for less" and d2 players actually defended it.

[@Mittens...]

seeing asmongold complain about the prices when all he does is steal from others is so incredibly ironic

[@davidkordich3383]

Who's asmongold

[@Mittens...]

@@davidkordich3383 someone who used to be a decent WoW creator, turned cringe reaction streamer who profits from the work of smaller creators

[@brandonfitzgerald1547]

@@davidkordich3383streamer who sits and watches content while people give him money for no reason

[@daRealB-Rex]

how does he steal from others (i’m subbed to him but only watch VODs and never live)

[@christianedwards9025]

​@@brandonfitzgerald1547 doesn't he stream games too and post them?

[@alexschittenden]

This is the most based take on the state of Destiny 2 I’ve ever seen. I hope this blows up. Bungie needs to be put on notice.

[@AppleWasMyIdea]

Bungie won't change until it hurts their bottom line and they're right where they were around Curse of Osiris. On the absolute brink.

[@The_Original_ZacBarton]

What the hell is "based" supposed to mean? Have you awoken enough yet? Did the video get you triggered? Did the Queen really die??

[@rumbleizer]

@@The_Original_ZacBarton dude take your meds wtf

[@whyiwakeup6460]

@@The_Original_ZacBartonbased basically has lost meaning as a phrase, but is usually used as a synonym for correct. Dunno what you thought it meant

[@user-73a]

Bungie is a bunch of libtards you think they will change their ways? lmao good joke

[@Krantzstoner]

Bungie calling Diablo IV devs 'lazy' is priceless. Well, Bungie aren't lazy about being greedy in making money, that's for sure.

[@reggielacey2235]

See u for final shape

[@BrightPage174]

@@reggielacey2235 cope lol

[@ValentinoMarino11]

@@reggielacey2235This response is why nobody likes the D2 community.

[@StoicBehavioR]

Bungie calling other AAA companies _"lazy"_ when it's been pointing out by Activision, Microsoft, and now Sony that Bungie goes over dead lines while over spending on the budget. Look at Final Shape being pushed. Bungie lives in the glass house.

[@The_Reaper101]

@@ValentinoMarino11he’s right your going to end up buying the DLC anyway and may I tell things you get in destiny item shop wise you can get for free bright dust is a thing. Yes it’s a grind to get them but isn’t destiny a grind based game anyway

[@darthraptus289]

You mentioned the story and for me, that is what has kept me around and not in the way you'd think. The old lore and story is what kept me invested throughout the years, especially within the drought, and now I am losing that love I had for it as its progressively gotten worse. The stories are shallow, the mystery is gone and reveals feel empty. I feel the sunk cost fallacy has truly set in with me and I realized this with Plunder, I should leave the game, but I have been committing myself until the end of Final Shape. It would be better to just leave now, but with only 9ish months left of the saga, it feels like I am obligated to see it through since I have been here since the beta. I feel like a lot of players feel that way too sadly.

[@16ipm]

Came here to comment the same.

[@coatl4778]

Same

[@supercato9613]

The story is getting worse? After Plunder? Have you played the damn game?

[@thealldayspecial]

Per the game's story and it feeling a bit lost from time to time, Jason Jones and a few other key people basically have pushed the concept of overarching heavy handed metaphors tied into philosophical and mythological concepts and references with basically every game's story he worked on, Destiny is no exception and pretty much an embodiment when it comes to a ton of nods to duality and no shortage of various morality parables. This far along I'm not super surprised we've gotten moments of complete junkfood saturday morning cartoon level writing and story pacing because Bungie how much more could you really write about such vague simple complex, especially when there has been total retcons of tons of important stuff. It seems that they've basically been running the clock with Lightfall. The contents of this year were virtually never in the initial plans and Final Shape essentially got what was meant to be the real last year of D2's Light/Dark saga. We basically got confirmation of this when Bungie put out a ton of articles before LF's release that alludes way more to a polished product by the time Final Shape launches and just how much is being put off for later despite an earlier promise(see nature of LFG further on backburner, among other things). That all being said you aren't alone, a lot of people are playing Destiny due to that sunk cost investiture and it has just been a game people tolerate.

[@AppleWasMyIdea]

Same here. Been here since Alpha. And with Final Shape so close now, it would feel like I've wasted all the time and money I've invested in this game.

[@XxShooterBossxX]

You know it's bad when decrypting an eververse engram is more exciting than decrypting an exotic engram

[@hardscopextfx4643]

So true

[@divinecomedian2]

As a non-Destiny player, I have no idea what you just said lol

[@jonathanseibert761]

Because they only give you 4 exotics you don’t give a fuck about

[@yeah_ImAFish]

@@divinecomedian2 lol

[@milandjukic4583]

@@hardscopextfx4643 quit game the moment i felt same as op and that was almost 2 years ago. Game is so dead to me atleast

[@mariobadia4553]

It's a bad game because they got rid of 99% of the story from the Game. New players have zero context for the game story so they have no idea what's going on. Plus the only respond to we ever got from bungee was basically just 'f*** you go watch the several hour long KZbin videos that explains the lore because we are too goddamn lazy to put it in a in-game codex even though that's been a thing since Mass Effect 1'.

[@sethharmon1285]

That’s actually the exact reason why I never got in to D2. Since I didn’t start on day one D2 I’m missing out on details and an attachment to a new character. Just not worth the time when I don’t care about my character or what’s going on

[@noivern4346]

😂 stop acting like its that simple, the characters are low quality, the story lacks impact, and the season pass content is even worse!

[@hhaste]

I started playing in the D2 beta and still have no clue what's going on with the story, so I don't think keeping it in would help that much, honestly.

[@gudgurl]

@@hhaste They keep making shit up as they go...and "knitting" stuff together that weren't even related in the first place. They don't even try and pretend there's actually any thought process involved. It's blatantly bland, phoned in, half baked and crappy! It's like a TV series...based on audience and profit they keep pulling stuff outta their ass!

[@realasaster]

Man thanks for this video, I'm a day1 Destiny 1 player and I so often came back to playing destiny 2, buying the latest stuff again and again just to be disappointed at the lack of fun that I used to have. I was so mad that I couldn't exactly figure out what it was but this summer it up so well. I remember wanting to get the Hawkmoon and despite owning the relevant dlc I needed some deluxe edition or whatever. Paired with the sheer greed of season pass and virtual currency payments opening menu after menu where they just want to rip you off for emotes or tiny bits of content... It's just all summed up very well and helped me find closure to this once amazing game. The idea that we've changed is nonsense there's still plenty of quality games fun to play but the broad gaming industry has changed into corporate greed. I hope it'll change but I think it must because in the long term this system is not gonna work. At some point everyone will be disappointed

[@nomadasol8247]

Seeing that Marathon was getting dedicated servers really makes me feel like a sucker every error code I get

[@Lonzology]

Gaming addiction is a serious problem let alone live service gaming addiction. When their main source of income is been put on the sideline is crazy.

[@Yandere-Mama]

Speaking of eververse and bright engrams, love the old statement where they said "You will never get duplicates of items you've received in the past." Yet here we are, receiving the same sparrow and ghost from Season 1 ~ 5 over and over. Not a slightly different one, no no, the exact same one. It's great! *Sarcasm*

[@SamKaiGet]

Played Destiny since the first game and it has been my favorite game. I've been through its ups and downs, but when Bungie sold the anniversary event and the new expansion separately, I just stopped because it started to get too expensive. I also couldn't play the next expansion due to having to serve in my countrys military. After missing out on two major expansions I decided it was too costly to get back in to the game. It was pretty unfortunate for me since I really liked playing alongside the main story, I can't justify spending so much money and time to keep playing at the same pace I used to just to be able to complete most of the things in the game. Now I just follow the main story through gameplay videos and other things.

[@Adequate__]

This video is absolutely perfect. These changes and decisions are the exact reason I stopped playing this game. It sucks because it was literally like fighting off an addiction, because I obviously loved the game. I have been playing since The Taken King and Destiny 1 was my favorite game for a long time. Then 2 came out and it was lackluster but got better--even amazing. Now its such a sad state to see it in. Its like looking at an old friend who you were close with become less and less close and over time you eventually don't even remember them. In this case I don't want to remember.

[@RandyIsHereToday]

Imagine if Bungie decides to create a Raid Pass next season or expansion. What would people SAY they would do, and what would they ACTUALLY do?

[@MegaDrain]

They'd still buy it. People want to be the day 1 raid team

[@thelonelywhale219]

Someone will burn the studio down

[@mitronzongo]

Streamers have been tied to gaming fall. They buy everything in a game and even do videos where they'll buy a whole d2 season($150). Instead of leading the boycott, they just keep buying while complaining. So there followers do the same.

[@iansantiago6526]

​@@mitronzongoDamn, this has got to be the most real comment I've ever seen online...

[@raevenent751]

I'll tell you what I would do and I say this as a raider, I'd leave.

[@LateNightHalo]

15:12 THANK YOU. IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THE LORE HAS GOTTEN REALLY POORLY WRITTEN

[@Lumina9306]

Being a veteran player it really hurt when you showed the part that said he didn't care about quality, only about being fast. It didn't matter when we had that drought in the taken king, we were enjoying the quality, genuinely good content that came after that dlc. I truly don't think we will ever reach that peak ever again. Actually makes me so sad.

[@CollegeDroputPowerpoints]

I remember back in the inside gaming days when James Willems joked about ride to hell having dlc where it removes content already in the game so you dont have to play it. And now that im seeing that 20 dollar campaign skip im thinking the mans a prophet.

[@NovemberHotel]

Crazy to think that we’re in an era where paying for shortcuts and paying for content that was removed and added back is pretty much the norm now

[@Jjaro7515]

This video sums up bungies core issues with D2, very well. Keep up the fantastic videos man, you are one of the few honest Destiny youtubers in a sea of bootlickers and suck-ups.

[@Zero_8347]

What we gotta do is make a game where 90% of the content is player-made, and the game itself is just the engine, mechanics framework, and assets meant for players to build their own content

[@LonelyGamer4]

Those already exist. There's Roblox and a couple of others I can't remember the name of (helpful, I know).

[@commandantkevin]

Like the other guy said those already exist. They are not better, they usually lack quality. The ones that don't in the case of roblox are made by you could say companies, some hire people others get kids to work for free for them. The games are usually heavily infested with micro transactions. These systems can be very exploitative.

[@poop917]

Roblox

[@Zero_8347]

@@poop917 yeah but I mean without the scummy monetization

[@jorgesalaber1730]

@@Zero_8347dreams exist! It’s PlayStation only though

[@bladerunner2017]

I still play religiously but I can’t disagree with anything you said. D2 Forsaken era (and even D1) were far better than what we have now.

[@steve_broxi]

What makes it even more shit, is that they tie everything into silver instead of just saying the price outright "It's just this much silver for this thing" Misleading some people, what makes this all shit, is that you cannot ever earn silver in game. It is only obtainable through microtransactions. So fucking dumb. This is why i preferred warframes system back in the day, you can earn platinum by selling off your prime parts, which you can earn by opening relics in game. Relics are earned pretty much everywhere, some missions give specific relics and are very easy to farm

[@raffertykeane-eastwood2046]

L bungie, L destiny, can’t wait to finish this 10 year saga to end because the story was my only reason for playing the game

[@noobking1066]

Someone’s mad 💀

[@miraveilyt]

personally I'm not even gonna bother with preordering Final Shape, gonna watch the story on Esoteric's channel or somewhere else

[@raffertykeane-eastwood2046]

@@noobking1066 spend 10 years for franchise that has more failures then successes then you’ll know what it feels like to be given all these false promises

[@noobking1066]

@@raffertykeane-eastwood2046 simply put, you’re fault for not quitting. You’re gunna bitch and moan but still continue to play the game

[@soraxstacy1477]

​@@raffertykeane-eastwood2046That sounds more like a you problem

[@muzien87]

and then games like baldurs gate 3 come along and completely shatter this modern view of how games "should be made" but the big devs keep doing what they are doing and rather than adapting and learning they know they can just pump out the same garbage year after year and there are mouth breathers out there who will blindly buy it

[@uzer_zero]

It's been genuinely depressing to watch BUNGiE transform a game I went 'Wow!' over back in 2015 into a new form of substance abuse. All for a buck. And the industry is largely mimicking this agenda. You knew this was coming when they promoted a social network marketing and targeted advertising hack to CEO, but who knew it would ever get THIS bad? My sense is that they're overestimating the appeal of the "extraction shooter" genre, and that the game they've been pouring all their money into won't be the monumental ca$h cow they obviously think it will. We'll see...

[@kylepage7491]

I've never played Destiny. But I saw much of the same with Warframe, and left that game behind for exactly the same reasons. Afterwards and since, I've been playing mostly solo games in my spare time. I didn't change, gaming did. Sadly, I don't think it's ever changing back.

[@falclao]

I thought I was gonna disagree with you, but you are completely right and even made me sad about playing D2 rn. Bungie is really fucking it up by this much microtransactions. Even though I agree with an expansion + seasonal business model, it's not just that, they wanna sell a lot of more stuff in a way no other company does. That is not only a problem about being expensive, but ruining the game experience as you said about obtaining cosmetics, the game feels a lot less premium at all.

[@Skipps933]

Love destiny, everything about the story, lore, characters, sometimes the community. But one thing I don't understand is that a "free too play game" needs too slap so many pay walls on content. My buddy started to get back into the game and he's been really my only friend I play with on destiny and I even got him lightfall for his birthday we tried to do a dungeon and it turned out we could only do the pit of heresy.

[@teflonswagger9666]

You’re so right. If I could earn all the stuff in eververse I wouldn’t just sit on the director staring at the strike playlist because there’s no reason to play it but there’s nothing else to do

[@shaneprince6572]

Funniest thing about Bungie is how much they virtue signal about being the good guys

[@andreycloud1862]

Bro I literally just stopped playing Destiny 2 since I bought lightfall for $50 plus next season's season pass for another $10 thinking the new dungeon would be included, but no I had to pay another $20 just to play the new dungeon. That was the final straw for me. The amount of overmonatization of the game just started to piss me off as I simply watched Destiny progress into a shittier state only to cost more and more money. So I went back to playing single player games like you lol. I started playing No Man's Sky again, and was amazed just how much content they added to the game, completely free of charge. Now they are legends unlike the rest of the gaming industry.

[@jacobruiter592]

Haters always say it's a shallow game, but it's got the same depth as Minecraft.

[@TaiidanOnslaught]

The thing that really turned me off to Destiny was really how Bungie changed as a company. You can see it in everything they make now. They’re more interested in pushing monetization and Identity Politics than they are about making a good game that people want to play. The way they treated Marty, the obvious way that they pushed out descenting voices. Then familiar faces began to leave more and more. It’s all this giant cocktail of gross. I have a hard time playing a game that, in 2014 through to vanilla D2 my friends and I played dozens of not hundreds of hours of. Now I can’t get them to even consider it. I wouldn’t want them to anyways now.

[@AnxiousOrko]

This video is amazing and you speak so much truth, it’s a shame most d2 stans won’t be even bother watching this

[@ZephyrusAsmodeus]

Honestly it's telling enough when a game company talks about "over-delivery" at all

[@Mark-vy5qs]

Destiny 2 was the third FPS I ever played, and I loved it. I've seen how it evolved from 2019 to now. Hearing this hurts.

[@nat040496]

The seasonal model has basically killed my interest in most online games that have them. I want evergreen content i can play and replay at my own pace for years to come. And it's also one major reason I'm so excited for Starfield, so I can have a singleplayer experience that runs at my pace.

[@Chimpangeek]

This is the first season I haven’t purchased since they introduced the 100-level seasonal model with Shadowkeep/Undying. And this video sums up exactly why. The obscene overmonetization and seemingly widespread player apathy towards it are getting to be too extreme. They say to “Vote with your wallet”, so I am.

[@Maria_Banks]

I’m going to take this moment and take ask all the old school Bungie Halo fans something. You may not like 343, you never shut up about your hate for 343, but what’s worse: having a new studio that tries or seeing the old studio slowly become a monster? It was only a matter of time before Bungie became a hot mess.

[@celebril]

It really saddens me. Destiny was one of my favorite games for many years. Unfortunately, between their unethical marketing practices, and their psychological manipulation in their sales model, I gave up the game after 2021 Season of the Lost. I've followed along, with some KZbinrs to see if they would ever get back to their roots, and it has become clear that they really don't care about me as a player anymore.

[@batman6198]

Destiny is not a free to play game and is not an excuse for the monetization. Warframe is a free to play game I can get anything i want in that game and play any content i want without paying a dime. What does free to play get you in destiny? No new content, recycled D1 content, and even being locked out from completing strikes and nightfalls if on certain weeks. Its disgusting.

[@OshMMf]

Could you do a video where you look into as to why Bungie raised the prices for content despite having aan absurd amount of money from the SONY Buyout now ? It just boggles my mind that with 3 BILLIONS they still feel the need to raise prices and say "Oh but we need to do that to finance future content".

[@taragnor]

They realize Destiny is a cash cow and want to keep milking it. Bungie realizes they have their diehard fans that are just hooked on the game and will keep paying. Destiny doesn't run on quality content, it runs on sunk-cost, FOMO and habit-forming mechanics. It shares more in common now with the design of mobile games than it does with standard console/PC games. At this point it's less a game and more a psychological experiment to see how little content they can offer and still get people paying.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Fanboys are actually blaming Sony now at times, when I think Sony bought Bungie for other forms of media in the Destiny universe, like shows

[@zanzion3873]

That's not how buyouts work. The studio's owners and shareholders were given that money not Bungie as a whole. The company might have gotten some additional funding from their new owners, but nowhere near the purchase price of 3.6 Billion USD. The reason for increased season prices? The same reason that milk and eggs cost more. The value of the dollar is down because of inflation, so prices for everything go up to compensate.

[@taragnor]

@@zanzion3873 Yeah, I know Bungie didn't get the money. My point was that to be even valued in the billions, it means they've got a good amount of resources (otherwise they wouldn't be worth a $3.6 billion purchase). And really if they were taxing themselves to the max to produce the low quality content they release for D2, then why would anyone want to drop billions to buy them? As far as the inflation argument, then why didn't it apply to anything else? Capcom was still able to produce a ton of content for Monster Hunter Rise's expansion Sunbreak. We had Elden Ring which was extremely content rich, and basically anything produced by Rockstar has a crap ton of value in their games. People bashed Cyberpunk, but the game still had a decent amount of content. Other companies are capable of delivering on content-rich experiences, where as Bungie's devs bitch and moan about something as trivial as making new Strikes. No other major game company relies on low effort content as much as Bungie, except perhaps Blizzard with Overwatch 2. The reason they don't is psychological. Destiny 2 is built using mobile game design philosophy. The entire goal is to make playing it a habit. Giving people massive content dumps might burn them out.

[@jeffsetgo]

Bonuses. Executive bonuses.

[@dandan3045]

Saw Destiny 2 had some of their expansions on sale on for cheap recently….then I realized it was Destiny and walked away.

[@ShundoRaud]

I played Destiny because buildcrafting and raiding with my friends was my absolute favorite thing in the world. I now play Destiny because I'm holding on to my memories. I've been slowing down by taking breaks here and there, but I haven't been able to bring myself to pull the trigger yet

[@pbjent]

I got so sick of the grind and monetization of Destiny that I deleted D2 the day before Witch Queen. During my time with D1 and D2 I spent zero dollars on cosmetics.

[@elitedovahkiin756]

Yeah there are times where I feel like I am falling out of love with gaming. But then I see videos like this and am reminded that it’s getting worse. Objectively worse!

[@Spooknight]

I picked up Destiny thinking it would be like Borderlands. Boy, was I wrong.

[@SinematicClips]

tbh kinda wish marathon flops so bungie learns not to treat their players like shit

[@slackstarfish8133]

To think people thought it was Activision that was making the game such a ripoff. Turns out it was the opposite

[@daRealB-Rex]

Now people are blaming Sony for it

[@fnafartrade6094]

I agree 100%. I've never buyed silver or seasonal event cards... I really hate Bungie for stealing Money from US 😊

[@newguyiswinning]

Even Blizzard doesnt sell dungeons separate from the expansions…

[@gregormoore5834]

What boggles my mind is the prices all these developers have seem to agreed to share. $20 full armour sets being the most relevant. Say a team of five developers design, create and test a new armour set over a couple weeks. The sunk cost to the company is probably in the range of a few thousand dollars. And yet with $20 price tags they only need around a thousand purchases to make a healthy profit. They could make good profit and sell them for a couple of bucks at most !

[@mrsickukxx1332]

It’s actually worse than that. I’m a concept artist and have worked in the games industry several times. For an Armor set it would take 1 person about 5-6days..2 days for the finished concept, 1-2 days for the texture maps and a couple of days for the 3d model…then add 2-3 days of testing to make sure the Armor moves and fits character models correctly. Even if the progress is slow we are talking 2 weeks max for one person. Bungie are absolutely raking it in and their „justifications“ for costs are nothing but smoke screens to confuse the addicts…I know coz I used to be one of those Destiny addicts 😉

[@Si4koTushxD]

The worst part is that when you write a review in steam, detailing everything that is happening in there and explaining what you do in this video, people spam the laugh emote as if you are not stating a true problem.

[@ogGILMOURRR]

My man Half way through I’ll have to watch the rest later. But completely agree so far 💯

[@santorini1243]

Forgot to include vaulting, paying for content then having it stolen to be returned "someday"(never)

[@mhmtakeyatime9000]

I really dislike vaulting, there's legitimate reasons why they did it but it wouldn't hurt to keep the content for extra spaces and levels to play.

[@crhouge7922]

Imagine if Fortnite never introduced battle pass

[@Daramation]

“All a battle pass is the progression system of a game being cut out, then sold back to us for $10. “ You sir, you get it 100%.

[@V3ntilator]

The only reason why Destiny 2 still have players left, is because you can't find the same game mechanics in any other game.

[@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920]

No they are just addicted is all.

[@zakd8939]

is there even a slight chance that we can all come together and do something about this?

[@rily8329]

I cant wait for them to finaly let us change what our guardian looks like without having to make a whole new charcter but make us have to spend silver to do it.

[@AndeRabe]

and it will cost you 20 bucks... for each character.

[@Malxer]

Hi NovemberHotel, just found out your channel. Your content is top-tier, I'm subscribing, I love your editing format: it's soothing and straight to the point, not over-saturated with useless memes and screams. Please keep it that way, it makes your channel stand out (at least for me) when the rest of youtube is plagued by "flashy" overedited videos. Loved the video, chapeau.

[@Rrr20058bvsc]

Bro I've played since d1 alpha and never took more than a few weeks break, I've done everything from getting every title to guilding flawless 9. Done plenty of day one raids, loved alot of the game but its never been anything like d1, I've completely been addicted to d2 I haven't enjoyed it since forsaken. I quit a few days ago deleted all my characters, even that you can't just delete all 3 you have to delete 2 and then make a new one🤣 honestly the second bungie started "vaulting" content that I've paid for and the fan boys defended it I knew that bungie would take that and just keep pumping the scummy practices. What a fall from grace this game and its community have took. Pvp is honestly disgusting 1 new map in 4 years. 1 strike in the new expansion its honestly laughable. I always enjoy your takes man and will still support. But I am finally free of the destiny digital crack🤣🤪

[@thelonelywhale219]

You sir have said almost exactly what I have been thinking for years now and are the first i have seen to call the bs for what it is and also mention that this isn't in the consumers interest. Its ironic that some of the loading screen tips have things mixed in like depression support... And while im all for reaching out to help those that feel like garbage, when i see it i just get angry like F off bungie im feeling like garbage because of what YOU do. Shit in the eververse store costa more than i spend on actual clothes ffs

[@Helfirehydratrans]

I absolutely love the new sub class that was added to the light for the LC. The only problem is I don’t have the light for DLC so I can only use it in the first mission they give you.

[@Joey-mo1tv]

I uninstalled the game at the exact point 😂

[@AndeRabe]

So true! And TBH, 3 years ago, I would have paid 20€ instead of 10€ for each and every Season in D2, if it had meant that I get double the content. But now, having to pay more for getting less? Just No!

[@hhaste]

It's literally everywhere in life. Candy bars are more than they used to cost but are much smaller.. that's inflation. You see it a lot more when we have bad presidents, like now.

[@aidenpearce6624]

The worst part about this is, that devs release half of a game, charge 70+€ for it and then shove the overpriced ingame shop in your face "because we need to keep the servers running". No. Not during the first year. The first year should be 100% free. THEN. and only THEN you may think about how to finance the following years

[@antvomit]

Great video. No one can deny that Destiny is a good game. The monetization of the game on the other hand is predatory. I might be wrong but Destiny 2 is the only game I know that took away all the weapons you paid for and earned only for them to sell them back to you season after season. This dark timeline that we are in where we pay more for less in gaming is not it and it seems as though Bungie has become the vanguard of that practice.

[@Juiceair77]

Bungie: This video is too truthful for our Playerbase…we have to remove this video.

[@Dismayy]

I relate to this video a lot. I've also switched to single player games because all the PvP games that come out are all terrible these days. When I was growing up, I had Halo, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Gears of War, Call of Duty 4/MW2/MW3. It was so good. It's crazy what has happened to multiplayer games these days. They are objectively worse.

[@rockycommodore4578]

Destiny 2 is really hard for new players to join, because of the complicated story that just gets thrown straight at your face and the slow paced beginning, but after passing through that (leaving the Cosmodrome) the game was really fun and the mechanics were amazing, but I uninstalled the game after facing the surrounding paywalls that greet you after reaching rank 6 and the 1750 "power cap". I gave up on the ranks and tried doing some missions such as nightfall, but I couldn't get to play it because much of it was behind another paywall (forsaken pack). The last straw was when I thought "fine let's check how much it would cost me to enjoy the full game", 300€ (many of the items were in discount) not even the new call of duty was so expensive on launch day, triple A games were 60€ tops, and Bungie is asking for 300€?

[@darkshamrock5763]

Bungie 100% knows they have the green light to do whatever they want towards monetization. The company as with all other companies are in this for one thing. Money. And to see how much they can bend us before it becomes a problem.

[@NationalEligraphic]

It’s like bungie is spitting in the players that play Destiny 2’s face. Showing off another game and not even finishing off or fixing Destiny 2 is just flat out disrespectful. I really hope these corporate fools get what they deserve…

[@Mav04954]

The main reason I play Destiny 2 right now, and probably up to Final Shape, is because it’s content I’ve paid for. I have other options that I can play, but I want to get my money’s worth before putting the game down for a while or stopping completely

[@jag9872]

Your describing fomo.

[@kyloedgelord2507]

Sunk cost fallacy at it‘s finest.

[@jag9872]

@@kyloedgelord2507 you said it better lol

[@hhaste]

If that's the only reason you're playing, just take the loss and move on. It sounds like you don't even enjoy it.. I still play it because I still genuinely enjoy the core gameplay.

[@brandonbrouillettec3vette]

@@hhaste Same. There is nothing wrong with putting the game down for a bit. I did that for about a year and a half to two years and came back towards the end of Witch Queen. Now I’m back to being hooked.

[@muzien87]

destiny 2 is a prime example of everything wrong with MODERN GAMING...i think it may have changed in the past few months but there was a time where campaigns were cycled out, content you paid for you was straight up taken away from you for no reason. the original campaign for destiny 2 straight up was taken away after the first expansion i think it was...imagine if you wanted to play the halo trilogy but all you could play was halo 2 and 3 and they just removed halo combat evolved from the collection...people would be livid but destiny 2 does it and people continue to throw money at them

[@AppleWasMyIdea]

Its honestly baffling to me that so many players will support Bungie's greedy monetisation practices despite the fact that Bungie doesn't even care about those who deffend them. Only their wallets. The only way Bungie will ever change is if push comes to shove, and their bottom line is in jeopardy, like after the launch of Curse of Osiris.

[@O6i]

I dont think anyone defends them honestly. Theyve got nothing but haye since removing content and making cringe fall

[@Chai_586]

Recycling old content, everything locked behind a pay wall, deleting content, catering to casual player base. I’m glad I quit around shadow keep. D1 master game forever in my heart 😢

[@colorgreen8728]

You should see deep rock galactic, free battlepass no fomo, and people buy small cosmetic DLCs because they want to support the devs

[@vtheman1850]

Yep, I quit this game over it's monetization on lazy recycled content years ago. And for reference I'm incredibly well off. Being able to afford something isn't the point, I'll pay a premium for a quality product or a service. I refuse to pay a premium to an asshole in a video game studio trying to fleece me with ships... AKA loading screens :D

[@Cyxap1844]

You forgot to mention Vaulting/ Deleting payed Content

[@Halo786]

content thats almost 5 years old lmao

[@sawdust8691]

I played D2 because I loved the universe. It has stellar art direction, music, gameplay, and universe. Love it. I spent a lot of my time and money on D2 over the years, though thankfully not even close to the amount a lot of others did. There was a year or so when Forsaken came out that I was really hooked on the game. Doing all the weekly things, grinding loot and power, etc. But I think that's when I got burned out on it. Since then I've always come back for big expansions, but was no longer interested in grinding or looting or the seasonal content. But now, after I came back and gave Bungie $50 for Lightfall and found myself disappointed, I acknowledged what I already knew. D2 will never give me full satisfaction. That's simply not what games of it's kind are designed to do. I figured, why bother coming back even once a year for big new expansions when the good narrative I'm craving within this universe just isn't there? So, just a few days ago I uninstalled the game. It still had some hooks in me despite not playing it very much for years. It was a bit hard to get rid of it. But I did, and I don't plan to go back to it ever. I still like it for all the things it does right. But I'm done. There are far better games to spend time and money on, that are actually a complete experience. So why keep wasting my time on Destiny? A lot of people, myself included, would find it hard to just drop something they've been so invested in with time, money, and in the game itself. But you know what? Screw it. I'm not letting it take any more time or money, despite me still liking the game. I'll continue to play better ones, as I've already been for years now.

[@charles3839]

This feels like someone is talking me out of an addiction and it feels so true. Great work.

[@Gouretoratto]

Bungie has straight up said they have no intention of making quality content or "overdelivering". They have straight up said they're only interested in delivering a bare minimum viable product. I know many fans are just holding out for the hopes of Bungie fixing their game but the fact is they won't and they don't care to. Destiny defenders are on weapons grade copium and aren't listening to a single statement from Bungie other than what they want to hear.

[@lainbed]

Its’s a shame how the industry has become more predatory towards the consumer (also I liked the image at 11:24 what is it?)

[@NovemberHotel]

Destiny 2 Forsaken Concept Art

[@TheOutsider69]

This is why I'm so upset about the TLOU multiplayer game being delayed due to an internal review from _BUNGIE_ of all studios. The whole reason people are excited about a tlou multiplayer game is precisely because it's being made by NaughtyDog, a studio that primarily focuses on SP and high quality story based content. We want THEIR take on an MP game, not another damn Destiny clone with a TLOU skin... Multiplayer games _need_ to change, we can't just have the same live service bs copypasted over and over again. We need unique content by a unique studio with a unique perspective.

[@joeyhuynh5893]

its crazy the meatriding by people that support this business model.

[@Cyxap1844]

Makes sense, there’s a common mindset of them that says I bought the game/content so I have to defend it!

[@MUSiCK9]

God seeing that man just give up $50 like it was the most normal thing to do.. God that was gross. I felt disgusted with him.

[@RazgrizFllaga]

the other thing you forgot to mention in the video, for all the faults of warzone, warzone 2, fortnite and other battlepass games. most of them, if not all of them actually gives out premium currency in the battlepass itself incentivising you the player to grind out the battlepass and rewarded by having the ability to decide to buy skins and other things and even get the next battlepass for free. Destiny 2 doesnt even do this. thats crazy, considering how expensive everything is in destiny that a player needs to purchase. jesus.