Antibiotic Resistance Genes in the Guts of Vegetarians vs. Meat Eaters

[@veganvanlifeusa2645]

Awesome video. Great content. I have been to a doctor, and I have not been sick in over 45. People go vegan!!! It creates a strong immune system. I have been traveling around the country for 10 months spreading veganism. Doing van life join me on the trail. Have been telling people about Dr. Gregor- a great source of information. Love his book How Not to Die

[@chiyerano]

Not just vegan but whole food vegan.

[@veganvanlifeusa2645]

@@chiyerano whole food, plant based vegan

[@tofudoesntscream]

Love what you’re doing! Keep spreading the good word 🌱💚

[@sudd3660]

@@chiyerano indeed, but then people actually comments that flour is whole foods..........

[@chiyerano]

@@sudd3660 Well, I am glad that there are also people who know better.

[@CataNavarro]

Since the -omics revolution I wondered if this was posible. Now I can say for sure if you want to avoid nasty infections you must switch to a plan based diet. Best regards to dr. Greger and his team

[@gallectee6032]

It only greatly reduces your chances. It's still 100% the way to go, but you are not immune to disease.

[@RollTimeratYT]

You can still get your E-coli infections from tainted lettuce and other produce.

[@rayarjomand6533]

I am on a plant-based diet.

[@AG-nn8lp]

You cannot eliminate a whole food group and be healthy 😂

[@gallectee6032]

@@AG-nn8lp Animal products are in no way necessary and are detrimental to health, the environment and ethics. So the opposite is true of what you said.

[@hadd5106]

This video is confusing. If manure is a problem because of anti-resistant antibiotics, and manure is used in plant growth, what is the bottom line? Should there be a follow up video comparing manure to "organic" farming practices?

[@ralphhancock7449]

Yes! That was the first thing that came to mind when Dr. Gregor talked about manure fertilizer.

[@Slognarmithdor]

There are laws that don't allow manure application to crops within a certain time before harvest, hopefully giving enough time for those bacteria to be eliminated. But soil contact with food is the reason they recommend always washing your produce anyway. "Veganic" agriculture is gaining some ground, essentially organic growing using plant material as fertilizer/mulch rather than animal material.

[@joannot6706]

minor slip up : "anti-resistant antibiotics" not a thing. I'm pedantic I know

[@beccabauer9683]

And the animals have been standing in their own filth and when they go to slaughter, they are not cleaned off. The manure is processed with their flesh.

[@frankmedrisch7451]

The bottom line is that vegans in practice have less of these genes in their guts, showing that the theoretical manure factor is a minor concern in practice

[@AndrewPawley11]

Extraordinary insights. As always, a very important video.

[@gallectee6032]

Anyone else not surprised?

[@MakeMeThinkAgain]

So wouldn't you have to conclude from this that vegetable contamination isn't a serious factor, since the vegans didn't have the problem? And beef and pork and even chicken don't seem to be a huge factor since veggies are similar to omnivores. So it would appear that dairy and or eggs ore the problem. So which is it?

[@lilivonshtup3808]

If it weren't for How Not to Die, I'd already be dead. I can't thank you enough Dr. Greger!

[@senoradelvita]

How do the bacteria survive the cooking process?

[@rayarjomand6533]

and the refrigeration/freezer ?

[@joannot6706]

@@rayarjomand6533 refrigeration/freezer doesn't really kill bacteria, it generally just slow down proliferation while keeping them alive, possibly keeping them alive for thousands of years, there is a fear that with climate change, bacteria and pathogens trapped in ice thousands of years ago might resurface and cause an epidemy or pandemic

[@MarshBrik]

ok but does this result in a significant increase in the bacteria infection illness rate for meat eaters? does it affect our actual health?

[@Stupidmusichere]

TMeat eaters are significantly more likely to develop food poisoning than vegans. Much more pathogenic bacteria settle on dairy products and meat than on fruit, since most bacteria specifically infect animals and humans. For this reason, dairy products, meat and eggs must be tested for microorganisms much more strictly than fruit. In addition, infections with antibiotic-resistant germs are much more common among meat eaters than among vegans.

[@AG-nn8lp]

No. Unless you're eating raw meat. This is what they want. They don't want us eating meat.....they want us all on soy based fake processed "meat replacement" It's not healthy. You cannot eliminate one good group and think it's healthy

[@chiyerano]

Thank you for confirming many of my thoughts on these matters.

[@simonsteinberger2935]

I'm not getting something here: If the genes are transferred to our gut microbiome, that means that our gut bacteria get resistent against antibiotics. So, if we really need an antibiotic treatment for some illness, the microbiome would be less affected...? That would theoretically be a god thing. Can somebody explain where I'm missing the point?

[@j.munday7913]

The gut microbiome is composed of bacteria. So, if for some reason you get a bacterial infection (too much bad bacteria making you sick) and you have antibiotic resistant bacteria in your gut it will take more antibiotics to get their numbers under control. ABR doesn't usually swap between species either, so your native healthy gut bacteria will get wiped out while the bad ones will be able to survive longer. Then it takes forever to regrow your healthy bacteria numbers up again while you're somewhat more vulnerable to overgrowths of the ARB again.

[@ddpwe5269]

You don't want to be resistant to antibiotics, you'd want to be resistant against infections. Which lest be real, will never happen as we're constantly be bombarded by bacteria. Having a gut that ISN'T resistant to antibiotics INCREASE your chances of not getting infected or if you do, antibiotics will have a higher likely hood of actually working.

[@kathysharp7551]

I think Jenny is correct. I had to go back and read the text shown at minute 0.55 about "bacteria that are usually commensal", then I had to look up the definition of commensal. I think it's saying that we usually have the bad bacteria in our body, but it doesn't harm us (aka it's commensal). However, now that bad bacteria, which is always in our gut, is being converted to from plain old bad to antibiotic-resistant bad bacteria. With that in mind, Jenny's exclamation makes a whole lot of sense. Thanks for asking. I was confused also. Jenny, thanks for explaining!

[@Ihateliberals901]

You guys actually seem interested and if I may I would suggest buying a college level microbiology textbook and read at your own pace. It covers most topics discussed and you will get a good sense of the purpose of antibiotics. You will learn things like we always have the bacteria present in our body it just wont make us sick until our homeostasis is out of whack for some reason. When we get bacterial pneumonia for instance, the bacteria in our bronchial tract were always present but some factor caused them to make us ill.

[@simonsteinberger2935]

Thank you all for your replies! That helped :-) Not that I needed convincing for the whole plant based diet. Just didn't get this point. Whole plant based diet is wonderful!!!

[@suicune2001]

Thanks!

[@traviscampbell7455]

Both are basically SAD diets. One just without meat. Both likely eat garbage like processed and artificial sugars and gmo garbage grains. Candy bars, sodas, Doritos and such are not off the list for either. I’d love to see a study pitting the Carnivore diet vs Whole Foods Plant based diet. I’ve witnessed people heal themselves with both. Both just quit the SAD diet.

[@cosmiccreator]

I love it! Thank you Dr.G! 🙏💐🕊

[@a.s.vanhoose1545]

Well, I’m glad this information has come out. I’ve had so few reasons to go vegan so far lol

[@cyberfunk3793]

I usually cook my chicken, but not the lettuce. "CDC estimates that germs on produce eaten raw cause a large percentage of U.S. foodborne illnesses. Leafy greens and other vegetable row crops are a major source of E. coli O157 infections"

[@craigo5030]

I think you may have misunderstood the video 😂

[@Crystawth]

Yeah, you're right, longer life and a healthier body aren't good enough reasons by themselves...

[@cyberfunk3793]

@@Crystawth Pescaterians had significantly less colon cancer compared to vegans in the AHS2 study so it's not so obvious how much the cofounding factors play a role.

[@xperience-evolution]

Go read the Study again (or probably for the first time).

[@djayjp]

This is extremely important.

[@jonleon9132]

Thank you for the video

[@Horse237]

I am a vegetarian but am close to being a vegan. I think my health is better than other, younger vegetarians because I do not eat fried foods. I also make sure that I have zero mineral deficiencies through blood tests. I supplement for Omega 3 fatty acids with chia seeds and walnuts.

[@blueraven0075]

Greger and other vegan doctors recommend a long-chain DHA and EPA algae-based supplement, not to risk getting dementia or Parkinson’s or other neurological disorders

[@michelem226]

How does this translate to real-life outcomes? I guess someone needs to study that next?

[@rexdickerson6833]

Grass fed versus industrial processed, grain fed animals. Humans who eat sugar versus those who don't. Only telling part of the story. Sensational and misleading!

[@GOASTize]

EXACTLY

[@grandkaiaki]

Allergic vs. Resistant.

[@RafaelBirkner]

We should clarify the terms first, there are no lacto/ovo/pisco/carni-vegeterians they are just omnivores, vagaterians are what you call vegans but they would wear a wool-pullover of lether shoes...

[@BruceNewhouse]

Wearing clothing products made from animals isn’t a factor in being vegetarian or vegan. It is based on what you consume.

[@ojk14325b]

@@BruceNewhouse that's incorrect, vegan is an ethical philosophy that eschews all form of animal products and exploitation for the sake of leaving animals alone beyond just food. Vegetarian is the diet.

[@BruceNewhouse]

@@ojk14325b Perhaps with you and some others, but most individuals, especially nutritionists, dictionaries and medical professionals follow the definition below: “Vegetarians only avoid meat, while vegans avoid all animal products, including dairy and eggs.”

[@lorah3005]

👍

[@emilyroseellis]

Thank you.

[@fmcdomer]

“I went animal based lost weight and never felt better in my life a lot of energy”

[@rayarjomand6533]

Shouldn't it be the opposite ? Because meat is cooked/burnt killing the bacteria. But fruits and veggies that were fertilized by chicken-cow-pig poop are eaten raw.

[@smallfootprint2961]

...but if we stop raising animals to kill, and eat, there would be no industrial animal agriculture which is the source of the infectious leavings, and so much over use of antibiotics. We can get everything we need from a plant based eating plan. It's good for you, good for the animals, and good for the planet.

[@rayarjomand6533]

@@smallfootprint2961 I am on a plant based diet and I am vegan.

[@DesArtandInk]

This is talking about cases of food poisoning, basically. So if your cooked meat is nonetheless spoiled with e. Coli, the bacteria are likely to be resistant and pass on those resistant genes to the e. Coli that we all have in our guts (but usually at low enough numbers to not make us sick) Its definitely not impossible to get e. Colk from lettuce for example but nonetheless meat is often the direct culprit in food poisonings. Side note: even properly cooked meat where all the bacteria is killed, still has toxins the bacteria produced when they were still alive present

[@grandkaiaki]

@@DesArtandInk on that note food poisoning is a higher chance in meat than it is in greens. Especially chicken. Ten years ago I had chicken from a restaurant (it was cooked good enough, but to charr level) and the next day I had food poisoning. My gut was in extreme pain for over 12 hours.

[@k.h.6991]

Cooking doesn't kill the gene fragments that transfer the antibiotic resistance.

[@BruceNewhouse]

Carnivore diet has a large, scientific/medical following that has been growing. Humans are carnivores by the scientific evidence. I personally eat meat, poultry and fish besides fruits, mushrooms and vegetables.

[@ojk14325b]

I love reading fantasy/fiction writing in the KZbin comments section no matter how bad it may be

[@lenguyenngoc479]

yet they can not bring out 1 single large non-industry funded study to prove beneficial long term health effect of a carnivore diet. If u want to prove carnivore is optimal for longevity, at least have a study of 90-100 plants diet vs 90-100% animal based diet. Or a 50% animal based vs a 90-100% animal based and the conclusion is: "the later group has significantly longer life span" then u can come here and say with confidence now, it's still fiction btw 90-100% plants belong to blue zones and Loma Linda so find you own red zones I guess?