The Truth about Saturated Fat | New Narrative Review

[@Vezmus1337]

I think that until we stop talking about isolated nutrients (like Saturated Fat and Carbohydrate) and start talking about the entire food package (Rice vs Twinkies), confusion will abound. Every food is a combination of macronutrients in differing ratios. Most people are not eating isolated protein or drinking olive oil or eating bags of sugar (at least I hope they're not). Even something as simple as "dairy" could cover anything and everything from fat free yogurt to chocolate ice cream. So when someone asks, "Is dairy healthy?" you will get different answers and they are all technically correct. The problem is not that the information is contradictory (or controversial even), but that we aren't asking appropriately specific questions.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

The replacing saturated fats kinda did this. Its been clearly shown that replacing saturated fats whit whole grains is good. Same as replacing them with Omega 6. There is no doubt about this, its been proven again and again.

[@rabbitcreative]

> The problem is not that the information is contradictory (or controversial even), but that we aren't asking appropriately specific questions. This. Also, I think most people fundamentally misunderstand how to properly use language. Word do-not dictate reality. Used appropriately, language is a 'map' each person overlays onto their non-verbal experience. When I look up into the day sky, and I see a bright circle in the air, I think, "sun". But the light I'm experiencing isn't "the sun" or "a sun", that experience is non-verbal. Words follow in the wake of some experience.

[@scienceislove2014]

Well..an animal based stuff has sat fat and trans fat..and so does fried food.. So by your definition. animals products should be deemed really unhealthy...which it really is unless you're a plant centered diet with lil bit if animal product

[@nathanshackelford7812]

Actually that IS the problem. Eating whole unprocessed foods means you are eating them in isolation. Sure you might combine a few unprocessed foods to make a meal. Eating fat and sugar in combination is a bad thing. I eat a couple of servings of fruit in a day but by themselves, never with a meal that also has fat. Then later in the day I eat a meal of animal foods with no sugar. I'm in amazing shape with amazing bloodwork. The problem is people thinking they need to constantly look at numbers. Just stop eating processed food and don't eat sugar and fat in combination and watch good health soar.

[@scienceislove2014]

@@signs80 no .. animal products naturally have trans fat..and that's not a result of heating process.. Small amounts of trans fats occur naturally in some meat and dairy products, including beef, lamb and butterfat. This was really basic.. learn it

[@JulienRoigHerr]

I have IBS, and through trying to cure it was exposed to many simplified narratives about nutrition online. Finding your channel was a true eye-opener for me. The work you do here is really very much appreciated. Especially since you are among the rare people that focus on quality over quantity, and actually put several hours of work into each video. One can really tell that you are not just doing this for profit, but to help people like me who are trying to figure things out. Thanks :-)

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

glad to hear it!! we have more content specifically on IBS coming :)

[@JulienRoigHerr]

@@NutritionMadeSimple Looking forward to it!

[@Jizzaprove]

Please could you tell what is the correlation of IBS with the topic? I have saved the vid but hasnt watched yet. Busy schedule this week. Thanks brother

[@JulienRoigHerr]

@@Jizzaprove I am following a ketogenic diet in part for my ibs

[@jimyhendrix492]

@@JulienRoigHerr Does keto help?

[@MisterHowzat]

I was about to recommend a high saturated fat diet to several people as the way to go but hesitated because something didn't feel right. Then i come across your channel AND this particular analysis. Boy, have i been schooled! Thank you for opening my eyes.

[@zacharymason1174]

Can you PLEASE do another ‘What I Eat In A Day’ video? It’s been almost two years and I’d love to see some changes you’ve made.

[@barbettecaravaggio7675]

likewise!

[@manicminer4573]

Nothing! It's all a conspiracy!

[@rafaelgelpi2718]

I too would like to see a ‘what I eat video’, no judgments on our part! I’m specially interested because I’m mostly plant based for several months but, I have difficulty getting enough calories unless I eat a lot of nuts and I’m trying to cut down on all the fats that nuts have

[@johnmelton4940]

​@@rafaelgelpi2718why do you want to cut them? Arent they healthy?

[@maricamaas2326]

​@@rafaelgelpi2718 Look into 'The Great Plant-Based Con' by Jayne Buxton, and 'NO GRAIN NO PAIN' by Peter Osborne.

[@atabetuatara]

@DrGilCarvalho I know you're not likely to read this comment (1 year on). Your comment about dose and replacement are so incredibly illuminating. The summaries from so many very high standard studies don't allude to starting points, replacements and dose changes. Thank you very much for distilling this!

[@mikechang6737]

I'm not even that interested in medicine or nutrition tbh, but Gil is such a refreshing and important guide to what science actually is in a world of internet charlatans, psuedointellectual podcasts, and sound bite science. The analytical approach, depth of arguments, logical consistency and constant steel-manning is such a juxtaposition to the norm. With counter culture and 'toilet research' exploding, these videos are much more important than nutrition, they are a lesson on what actual knowledge, inquiry and expertise looks like.

[@mikechang6737]

@@ljpop8888 ur almost surely someone with zero expertise in this area who's never taken an advanced class on modeling, academic studies, or science in ur life. Youve almost surely never even written a scientific paper in ur life beyond high-school. You think you have special knowledge because you watch counter culture videos on the internet but dont have any actual knowledge of any scientific field beyond high school. Because of this you cant tell whos bullshitting or not so you prefer to write off research you don't like as simply corrupted. You've also never been to or seen actual university research urself so to avoid cognitive dissonance of knowing nothing you frame academic experts as the bad guy despite ur zero actual experience with them. This is all speculative but you types are easy to spot from a mile away, only you will know how accurate my guess was. Raise an actual point with valid, robust, repeatable data and ule change my mind. Till then i just assume ur the same special knowledge wanting internet educated warrior with a room temperature iq, zero expertise and a disdain for actual experts ive seen 100 times.

[@-johnny-deep-]

"Steel-manning". Nice word and you made me look it up: "The term “steelmanning” was coined by the philosopher Eli Dourado as a way of promoting more constructive and respectful dialogue in online discussions. By encouraging people to engage with opposing viewpoints in a more charitable and fair-minded way, Dourado hoped to promote more productive and meaningful discussions."

[@beantreats]

lol, i'm the exact same. It's kinda weird watching these videos as someone who doesn't really have a horse in the race, but having studied critical thinking in uni, this guy is such a breath of fresh air. Nuance and humility neednt be so intimidating. I love how at one point he says "i'm agnostic about this" because there isn't enough evidence to convince him either way. That is a very acceptable and even honorable thing to say, yet so many would be afraid to seem at a loss for words.

[@joankaseman974]

Yes he's wonderful

[@optimumwellnessofficial]

That's true! 💥💥

[@markpelayo]

Forever grateful for you Dr. Gil. For me living in a third world country, middle age and low income but I just want to become healthy when I got older so I will not become burden to my family and the society. I think without your analysis of these meta analysis I will not be able to do that. Thank you for sharing it to us, what you are doing is very valuable to whole humanity. I hope everything the best for you and your family.

[@stevesteve350]

I only wish you had 3 million subscribers to watch your analysis, rather than the video I had just watched agreeing with everything that this study states. Thank you for always being calm and diplomatic and explaining everything to a "T". I really appreciated the work you did on this one.

[@r0bt93]

Agreed - share his videos widely!

[@Freeduradura]

I shared to all my friends who wants truth, he is a gift. A matter of time he will get there.

[@plantbasedposer]

Re: the paleolithic/ancestors argument. Look into the PUFA content of wild game. It's not the same as our modern beef...even grassfed. Elk, deer are all higher in PUFA and they're leaner -- maybe 1 g of sat fat per serving vs. almost 6 g for some beef. Our ancestors could have eaten 6x the amount of meat before reaching the levels of saturated fat we do today.

[@mikafoxx2717]

This! Deer, fish, birds, and all that. Low fat, the fat there was super gamey tasting, higher omega 3's and less saturated. Basically it would have been higher protein, carbs from fruit and tubers, nuts and seeds and whatnot

[@1xm_mx1]

We went down the wrong health path since we became dependent on agriculture and domesticated animals for food, but it got a lot worse since we industrialized food production where quantity replaced quality of food.

[@CraigAddy]

It’s disheartening that something like this study could even see the light of day. Thank you for what you do.

[@nutritionhealthandriskprev6228]

Wow, you numbered the references this time by order of mention! That was helpful. It would be awesome if you guys copy/pasted the name of the study on top of every link.

[@someguy2135]

I noticed that and strongly agree. Links are wonderful in the description, but labeling them makes it a lot more likely that people would use them. I am always looking for evidence from credible sources for debates, and occasions where I can dispel some misconceptions about nutrition and more.

[@bennyboy776]

Becoming a well respected scientist takes 20 years. Becoming a famous influencer takes 20 minutes.

[@DarthNoshitam]

How does a review with such poor science get published in a scientific journal?

[@250txc]

Because stupid people need it.

[@thenomadicchef1844]

Why do the chiropractor guru health "doctors" who are trying to sell you their books, their diets and their health products have millions of subscribers and this site with scientific facts, no sponsors and nothing to sell has no much less? I prefer the scientific facts from a person who is not trying to sell me something.

[@boydquinoa]

Because they tell people what they want to hear and make them feel good about their bad habits.

[@paullucas898]

I keep wondering if the info about substitution of saturated fat for PUFA truly reflects like-for-like swaps. If I swap grass-fed tallow for soybean oil (cooking fat for cooking fat), will I see a benefit? If I swap pizza for some other refined carb with seed oils, will I lower my risk for CVD? If I replace eggs from pasture-raised chickens with those from chickens fed corn and soy, is there a reduction in risk? Saturated fat for PUFA could mean anything: a pie for walnuts is not like-for-like.

[@1tubax]

exactly. that's what makes me skeptical on all of these studies.

[@hankhardisty9433]

Thank you for digging deep into this matter and making the issues clearer to those of us who are interested, but not deeply involved with these reviews.

[@brianpancoast6143]

Thank you for the detailed and sane analysis. I was alarmed after seeing a video that claimed to have new evidence that saturated fat “doesn’t matter” and in fact we should all add melted butter to our coffee. Wait, what ??? OK, I’m calmed down now. Keep doing what I’m doing. Balanced diet. All things in moderation. Protein is good. Fiber is good. The less processed foods the better. No individual whole natural food is “evil” in moderation. No individual supplement, powder, nutrient or food is a panacea. Even a perfect diet will not replace the need for exercise - both cardio & strength training.

[@buckmurdock2500]

there is no such thing as "moderation!"

[@JeffC-fq1be]

"All things in moderation" is one of the dumbest expressions ever.

[@rndodd282]

I really appreciate how this video acts as a microcosm for how individuals can so easily sow confusion in a field like nutrition. The phrase "anatomy of confusion" was perfect for this. Bravo, Gil.

[@arleenm7367]

Makes me think of the quote by Upton Sinclair - "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

[@cativillegas]

I'm learning so much from your channel. I've been struggling with high LDL levels all of my life, and the role saturated fats play in this, and I think something recently clicked. Thank you for all that you do!

[@MeredithDomzalski]

As a nonscientist, it's really disturbing to me how stuff like this gets past peer review. Never mind, that it's not easy for me to tell whether it's published in a predatory journal, etc. Most people don't even know that predatory journals exist. Even with the tools you've given in other videos, I'd have trouble picking this out as an unreliable study. It's frustrating!

[@hbjeff36]

Drug and food companies sponsor papers that make it through peer review as well

[@birdgirl1516]

Just like climate science…it is frustrating! Some “scientists” have allowed science to become “beliefs” which obviously taints all scientific principles

[@rredding]

I love it when I see Unilever, Bill Gates and WHO.😊

[@hbrianunderwood4946]

Happens all the time.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

@@hbjeff36 "breakfast is the most important meal of the day!" (this message brought to you by the dairy and cereal council) 🤣

[@Lumencraft-]

I really appreciate that you link all of the studies in the description and put the number on the screen for which one your are siting.

[@Fearzero]

Citing

[@JackFalltrades]

Health care workers don't always have the best lifestyle. I realize this every time I visit my overweight doctor.

[@cr528]

No we don't as we are always stressed out!

[@marlinguidegun1657]

This was excellent. My experience is that I've followed the dietary guidelines since my youth, and it didn't do me any good because our understanding has changed so much over my lifetime. Additionally, so much of what we have been taught has been influenced by lobbyists. For example, my government mandated high school health class advised that pizza with everything on it was the perfect food (it included the four basic food groups approved by the lobbyists for the major industries). I was taught that a man should consume 3600 calories a day (influenced by political parties promoting the notion that the poor are malnourished and needed food stamps when they were probably eating an ideal diet!), and that we should count calories (not a good combination). I avoided vitamin supplements because that was the guidance - bad move for a light skinned person living in the north. I dutifully followed their advice to use margarine instead of butter back when that was full of trans fats, and I even worked on a dairy farm. I dutifully avoided egg yolks and thus denied myself K2. I have little doubt that your conclusion is correct as you make excellent arguments, and the Canadian plate looks like what is for dinner - however governments need to get out of the dietary guidance business, if for no other reason than they have been unduly influenced by lobbyists. The government has a conflict of interest. Additionally, they also don't adequately account for religious, cultural or genetic variations. I'll give two examples: that plate violates a kosher principle of mixing meat and milk, but nobody seemed to notice. Also, feeding people that evolved eating seals too many carbs has led to an epidemic of diabetes. They should just stay out of the business altogether because they are lousy at it and limiting the number of people listening to their advice limits the potential harm. I wish that I had ignored them, I'd be much healthier.

[@turntablesrockmyworld9315]

Government guidelines haven't changed much here (Canada) in decades but people still don't follow them despite them being good. It's only when the Internet dude bros say to do the same certain things are okay then people listen: For decades the guidelines here said to watch portion size (and gave examples), eat lower sat fat, exercise moderate to vigorous 150 min a week, keep active and household activities count towards moving, eat fresh veggies, fruit, whole grains, limited dairy, and limited meats (to suggested servings), minimise sugar foods, alcohol. The only real change is more veggies than grains. And they dropped the specifics of exercise because no one was doing it.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Not sure what dietary guidelines have you been following, but they all say the same. Eat a lot of vegetables & fruits, lean protein preferably from legumes. Eat whole grains, and limit refined fats & sugars. Its not that hard.

[@marlinguidegun1657]

@@Nobody-Nowhere those are new, I’m referring to guidelines from the past. I’m not sure that the present guidelines will survive the test of time either.

[@HegelsOwl]

@marlinguidegun1657 The guide-lines "Nobody-Nowhere" mentions were unviversally known during the 1960's, here in U.S., when I was in grade school. Is that "from the past" you speak of?

[@gabrieleltz1773]

Thank you for going on depth and explaining how the studies are done. Its so horrible trying to read these studies and verify if anything it says is reliable data.

[@roberttowner6326]

Your channel is a GEM my man! Keep up the GREAT work you’re doing. Very appreciative of your work and explanations.

[@jm08050]

I should have watched cat videos instead!

[@roberttowner6326]

@@jm08050 why aha

[@caprideck6148]

Ioiy

[@cyssoK]

wow, I usually get bored watching videos that talk about studies but I couldn't stop watching this! Excellent analysis, thank you!

[@josipvran]

I'm bingeing on your videos and uploading my library of useful information with scientific articles that you present and interpret properly - thank you for taking the time to make these videos!

[@pamelaandpabloortiz6250]

This is an excellent and thoroughly comprehensive explanation of ALL the factors that truly matter in getting to evidence based information ! The way you summarize studies is so very helpful . Unfortunately many people consume information from social media “experts” . Thank you for all the work you do in helping us strive to be our healthiest self.

[@autisticautumn7379]

Our ancestors ran around and were 'cold' maybe it didn't have as much of an impact as it does today .

[@victorycall]

It's disturbing that the "bogeyman" article was peer reviewed. It demonstrates that being peer reviewed is no guarantee of an article's reliability. The narrator of this video clearly discussed the flaws of the article: cherry picking studies, disregarding large rigorous studies that were directly in the timeframe and subject matter, and not giving weight to the quality of studies. It seems that every peer reviewed article needs to be scrutinized by someone with deep understanding of the field to determine if its conclusions are valid; which completely negates the purpose of the peer review process being an indicator of an article's quality.

[@andyhamilton9274]

@@victorycall I sense this Dr has his own biases

[@Kinnnnnnnnn1]

​@@andyhamilton9274 same here...obviously.

[@JesusIsGoodTruth]

Isn’t it ironic how you’re commenting on the video of a social media “expert”?

[@pavelchorda8425]

Congrats, your last paper reviews are now much more detailed and being much more accurate, being more critical and questioning the trials. This is the way to go.

[@frankjspencejr]

This is both bizarre and disheartening. How does a professor of management at a business school get an article on saturated fat published in a scientific journal? Are they really that desperate? Did you write to the journal with your concerns? Life is strange.

[@k4climate420]

So I guess the “peer review” process isn’t helpful when the peers are management professors 😂 Thank you for this thorough debunking.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

What did it debunk? When in the start it already shows that replacing saturated fats with either whole grains or omega 6 is beneficial? This has been proven again and again.

[@ariston111]

No, sorry. You have no idea what you're talking about. Peer review is managed by the journal, not the peers.

[@victorycall]

@@ariston111 Since the "bogeyman" article that was critiqued by this video was a peer reviewed article, it goes to show that being "peer reviewed" is no assurance that an article's conclusions are valid. The "bogeyman" article cherry picked studies to evaluate, and disregarded large rigorous studies that were smack dab in the timeframe and subject. I don't know anything about the peer review process, but I can observe that very low quality articles such as the "bogeyman" article make it through the peer review process. Thus I can come to the conclusion that the peer review process is highly flawed and not a good indicator of an article's reliability.

[@victorycall]

@@Nobody-Nowhere "What did it debunk?" This video debunked the "bogeyman" article.

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

Follow the money 😂

[@i2sky532]

28:50 I see this all the time. So many people just read the conclusions, without reading the study. Then a wacky idea gets rolling. Some journalist or blogger latches onto the idea and gives it feet.

[@willbrink]

This vid demonstrates how complex human nutrition is, and why people are confused over the conflicting info out there. My Q is, how does that get published in a high impact cardio journal?

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

You have unpaid and sometimes apathetic reviewers against a well funded attempt to propagate misinformation. If you throw enough resources at it, the disinformation process is like save scumming in a turn based strategy game. Reviewers A and B actually do reference diving because they are professionals? Fine. Submit it to another journal. All you need is to roll a panel of apathetic reviewers. Let's say that 98% of the community would toss the paper back at your face, you reroll with another journal or another expendable first author. Assuming two reviewers, it'll take only 20 or so attempts even assuming a low level of apathy. (The journal in question is 22nd in citation metrics within its category of 136 publications. This is totally save scummable.) Edit: Now that I have described how to do a successful brute force attack on the peer review process (and I actually review things in several journals when asked), it is important to say that this would not be an issue without the modern attention based information economy. A scientist would just look at the paper title and its bibliometrics and laugh. A social media influencer or a science journalist would take the story and run with it.

[@kyounokaze]

I'm not in the scientific field so I don't know, but isn't peer review meant to combat disinformation in publications like this?

[@sushigirl648]

Thank you so much for making this content. I stoped eating a lot of seed oils and more butter and honestly couldn’t even remember why other than hearing influencers talk about it online. Now, I understand nutrition is complex and one study is not valid evidence of anything unless replicated and reviewed beyond the outcome rather the specific process of the study

[@i2sky532]

You don't have to fear seed oils. Bro scientists got that whole idea rolling.

[@travelwithManuel]

Problem is people don’t replace. They tend to eat all. Saturated, poly, carbs etc.

[@ThePapawhisky]

If we eat whole foods it’s tough to get too much of anything, and easy to get enough of everything. Processing food is a problem.

[@DetroitHomeInspector]

I am 60 years old and started watching these health-related videos as my A1C and BP began to rise. You are by far the best sir. You are not a sensationalist "doctor" just looking for views and selling "programs". Thank you for just telling the truth!🍅🍋🍊 My wife is an RN and I just sent her your link.

[@myopenmind527]

What is your HgA1c now?

[@DetroitHomeInspector]

@@myopenmind527 5.8 almost normal! After watching the vid with the featuring British Dr. specializing in diabetes, I decided I need to lose about 10-15 pounds to get the fat out of my pancreas to wake up the B cells. So I am focusing on just eating healthy and not keto. BP is better too.

[@burger101ful]

What kinda of foods are you focusing on? Thanks

[@myopenmind527]

@@DetroitHomeInspector I’m just going to relate my personal experience and don’t want to undermine any decisions that you may have made. I struggled with a low fat diet and regular exercise for years going from having pre diabetes to full blown diabetes. My endocrinologist wanted to start me on insulin straight away. In the end we tried metformin and meds for my hypertension. This Christmas (December 22) I decided after losing perhaps 20lb over 4 years even with osempic that enough was enough. I did my own research: Prof Roy Taylor md Dr.David Unwin md Dr. Sarah halberg md Dr Eric Westman md In 5 months I’ve lost 35lb. I’ve stopped Osempic. My blood glucose and HgA1c normalised within 2 month. I’ve stopped taking synjardy but still take metformin 1000mg twice daily. My blood pressure is over the last month has averaged 110/70 so I may need to halve the dose or stop my losartan. I eat to satiety. Love what I eat. I’m eating an ultra low carb diet (20g). I almost never feel hungry and only eat once or twice a day. I have no cravings or feelings of being out of control. Bread , pasta rice etc are things I van totally live without. I make sure that I’m well hydrated. I now wear a continuos glucose monitor which has taught me loads along the way. For example I figured out day1 that porridge caused a massive and prolonged glucose spike. I’ve got a new wardrobe because my clothes were falling off me. I read a book called the last diet which taught me to accept days where I ate too many carbs and got a glucose spike. My wife, mother and children barely recognise me but are all so proud of my achievement. I’m going to stay on metformin for now even though I do not need it on this diet as it had demonstrable health benefits even if ny diabetes is in remission. There is a weight loss programme for everyone. For me it was avoiding ultra processed foods and eating low carb. Others may get there with a liquid diet or a low fat diet. The latter two didn’t work for me as I was always hungry and had cravings. If you are overweight then please understand that is not your fault. I wish you well. Send me a reply if you want me to share with you a full list of the books I’ve read that helped. Take good care of you.

[@DetroitHomeInspector]

@@burger101ful I was doing keto but after watching the British Dr. on this channel, I am just looking at reducing calories and getting my weight down a bit more. Keto works but I like some carbs. The British Dr. said if you can get your weight down to your own personal "sweet spot" your diabetes will go away 90 percent of the time. I lift weights 6 days a week as well. A1C and BP are both down.

[@zane.walker]

As a chemist who likes to dabble in data science I I fully appreciate your efforts in critiquing this "villain and bogeyman" article and trying to set the record straight. Your systematic approach in walking through each of the studies assessed in the review is excellent and easy to follow, even for a layman like myself. Unfortunately, once these factoids make in into society, they can take a long time to dispel. I grew up thinking that spinach was an especially good source of iron even though Erich von Wolf's original erroneous value from 1870 was corrected by the late 1930's, well over 20 years before I was born!

[@sophiekarnak3936]

Fantastic, thorough analysis, I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these videos, Gil! You and Plant Chompers are by far my favorite KZbin channels. I looked up the journal wondering if it was one of the pay-to-publish outlets, but it seems like a legit, peer reviewed journal - how in the world did such a sloppy and deeply flawed study make it past peer review???

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Money : ) they don't know but had to publish something to keep their jobs. The peers are friends. Publish or Perish is real.

[@i2sky532]

THANK YOU for including links to the actual studies. So many folks just pass around somebody's opinion blog as if that is actually proof of anything.

[@rkirwan1]

Excellent analysis as always Gil. I do worry about the frequency of papers like this and how often they're sensationalised by groups that may have a poorer understanding of the science but simply want their to viewpoint to be true.

[@birdgirl1516]

I feel like the Keto /Carnivore community is also rife with confirmation bias

[@N330AA]

Your channel is quality mate, really helps to breakdown all the studies and deal with any conflicting evidence. Quite rare on KZbin.

[@robertusga]

Thank you Gil for providing sanity in a mad social media world!

[@mico-skywalker]

Thank you very much for this informative video; it really clarified all the confusion I had and answered many of the questions I had in mind. I was at the stage of oh screw it all then, I’ll eat whatever I want. Feeling much more motivated for a lifestyle change at the age of 47.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

we're almost the same age, it's not too late!! :)

[@emerson-sheaapril8555]

I think I saw many fitness influencers talking about this study saying see saturated fat doesn't matter. This was awesome. Thank you.

[@katieclement2719]

I'm so grateful for your channel and your thorough analysis of scientific research and data

[@ryananderson6321]

Glad to see you mentioned stearic acid not showing to be a 'bad' fat!!!

[@franklincornelius9373]

You are taking the confusion out of what has been made complicated that is really not so complicated, very easy to see. Me thinks some are spreading information that carries an agenda and not decimation of valuable information that we could all use. Thank you, you are valuable to mankind.

[@gmo709]

Vegetable oils are recommended? Really? Even if done by a chemical extraction using a solvent? Why do I see so many youtubes saying vegetable oils are bad for us.

[@Lennybird91]

Because fear drives views.

[@yasminbarry7941]

Same question.

[@adamesd3699]

Olive oil?

[@SeyidAr]

This has to be troll comment.

[@Lennybird91]

@@oltzu5206 I've seen no substantive evidence that overturns the mounds of evidence to the contrary.

[@patrickalbrecht2385]

Thanks for providing subtitles, they really help with understand the video as a non-native speaker :)

[@ajlee1216]

It’s a blessing to the public that we have scientists like you who think responsibly. Very glad I recently found your channel. Keep up the great work!

[@metalWarriorCZ]

You have done a very good hard work. Thank you very much. I learn something new in every video and I studied nutrition for more than 10 years now.

[@KG-if2oc]

Have you done, or could you do a video on Familial Hypercholesterolemia? My sister was vegan for 2 years and her cholesterol numbers didnt change one iota! My cholesterol is nearly 400 but i dont see the point in repeating her experiment until i know more.

[@dougupton1203]

As a Canadian I was going to say as a comment look at our dietary guidelines. Here’s the problem I ask lots of people if they have ever read or looked at it and I have yet to get a yes. It is hidden in plain site. I live in a township with 22 thousand people and we have 8 pharmacies.And they’re all busy. I switched to the guidelines and lost 50 pounds. I eat so much more fibre and feel great. My recovery time from working out is amazing. My blood pressure went from 135-140/90-1000 to 114/74. Give it a try for a month and see if you can get the same results. There was a huge pushback from the dairy and meat industry but congrats to our health professionals for their courage to push the truth

[@marinazagrai1623]

Thank you doctor…for a person like me who has ADHD to keep me watching your brilliant review is something (I’m sure others with this are watching). I tried getting into nursing a long time ago but it didn’t happen…my psych classes went through these analyses so I learned how complex these trials are. My grandfather ate a little butter and fried his pork chops to a crisp…he was born in 1904! Anyway, his mind set allowed him to live till 1995 while his wife (my grandma died when I was 2) dropped off, literally, when she was 62 after a diet of margarine after WWII when butter was scarce.

[@liamjordan3068]

Subbed from watching you with Dr Brewer recently and wow, you sure do have a good grasp on these trials!

[@humbabadook3962]

Hey Gil, first of all great channel and great work! Do you maybe also have a video regarding the cooking with PUFAs? (And cooking with mono unsaturated and saturated fats) The main argument against PUFA is regarding smoke points and oxidation of fats. I would be interested in a video about what oils to use for cooking.

[@JW4REnvironment]

Many thanks to Dr. Carvalho for his objective interpretations of scientific publications. His insights into the effects of PUFA and other oils on health are illuminating! Some doctors say that oils are too refined for everyone to consume, but there doesn’t seem to be science to show that PUFA are a problem beyond being high in calories…

[@stephensharp2925]

Excellent ! As a family physician struggling to educate patients in the field of preventive health and nutrition , I direct them to your site without reservation , thank you Dr. Carvalho 👍🏼

[@embemw]

Very informative-thanks so much indeed. I was one of those feeling confused and now feel more informed. You are probably adding many healthy years to your viewers lives!

[@dsg3213]

I truly appreciate all of the effort and research that goes into your videos.

[@AndyLambg]

I'm loving this channe, making all these confusing, contradicting studies simple for us to understand and make a decision. Thank you so much. Kudos & success to your channel. 😊

[@drott150]

Fabulous video, thank you! A few questions: 1. Why do these scientific journals have such a low bar for authoring such a potentially influential study? I'm not suggesting gatekeepers or censorship or putting too much emphasis on formal credentials - but this woman is not a scientist at all. How was she given access to a respected scientific journal and allowed to publish confusion and misinformation that literally threatens lives? If she is allowed to publish, can I or any other Joe Blow off the street do the same? If not - why not? Who at the journal judged her to be competent and qualified to publish on this topic? Considering this happened and apparently happens all the time - what does "Peer Reviewed" even mean? Who are the peers who reviewed this study and why did they let it pass uncritiqued? 2. Is it disclosed who paid for this study? Are these authors required to fully disclose where all forms of their income come from? This one is so bad, I'm afraid I don't share your generous assumption that nefarious motives are absolutely not in play.

[@deanjericevic8912]

Being a science teacher for 34 years, I like your scientific methodology. Nutrition studies have many variables which you have pointed out & depending what you hold constant will strongly influence your results & conclusions. The media be it Covid, Ukraine or climate science wants something sensational; “throw the cat amongst the pigeons” & that is how we function. To garner the “truth” we need to statistically average over many peer reviewed published articles, just as you are doing. It is so important to pick out those nuanced differences & what you include & don’t make a large difference to you scientific researched conclusion. A great effort I thoroughly concur with your approach.

[@abbiec6057]

Yes, it does make me angry that the journals that are supposed to be publishing real science would publish these lies. And Gil, I think you are way to nice and trusting to not think that this was nefarious intent or greed, ultimately. I just can’t believe it.

[@holasoyjose9683]

this is one of the best videos I have ever watched ....you are quite brilliant at explaining and contrasting studies and messages from other doctors. Amazing, thank you✌🙏🍷🌎🌞⛅

[@jeffreybritton3338]

Great video. Now I see why it’s so hard to know who or what to trust when it comes to nutritional info.

[@asexualatheist3504]

People often forget that our distant ancestors did not have central heating and AC let alone running water that many of us enjoy today. So comparing modern humans with modern amenities is comparing apples to oranges. The oranges are the distant ancestors whose lifestyles were markedly different from ours. Also, the distant ancestors lived long enough to have children. We know their lifespans were much shorter than ours.

[@DansTech307]

Hi Gil - I found this video very interesting. From the graph shown @ 12.45 and all of the other research cited, can you state what was the greatest Absolute Risk ( NOT Relative Risk ) percentage increase with regard to CVD and Mortality recorded with the highest intake of saturated fat. The graph shown @ 17.52 is meaningless as it has no units of measurement on the x and y axes.

[@zane.walker]

Regarding the impact of saturated fat on our ancestors, given that life expectancy was typically ~35 years for Europe and the Americas up until the ~1870's, is it reasonable to conclude that our ancestors just didn't live long enough enough to die of cardio vascular disease?

[@cheshirehomebrew]

Always an unbiased opinion rather than the extreme biased either way. Overnight oats for my breakfast with chia seeds,mango and blueberries. Topped with banana and seeds should see me through the day.👍

[@tanyasydney2235]

Yummy. That's my favorite breakfast.

[@ahmetguler1826]

The problem is, the people are eating too much and too frequent, if you try intermittent fasting, whatever you eat, the body will take care of it easily. The body is designed to overcome any difficulty if we allow it to deal with the acute chronic problems rather than digesting rhe foods coming every other minute in to stomach.

[@chrisedginton6996]

Another good video Dr. Carvalho. I would be interested on your thoughts on HOW to replace saturated fats with PUFAs in a meal plan. I think this would be an interesting video: take a single, real life patient who you have the following on: a one week food journal, height, weight, BP, lipid profile (ApoE?), A1C, insulin, CAC scan, etc. and then along with another doctor on camera, riff back and forth what would be the plan you two would set out for this person, all the while basing your recommendations on the science as it relates back to this patient. A video like this would tie many of your other videos together and make the process 'real' for people.......and it'd be entertaining!

[@Paula-rq9nc]

Thanks Gil!! You are my go-to guy for analysis and nutrition information. I am embarrassed to say I bought the Keto Koolaid for about 5 months in 2020 when trying to lose weight after gaining too much during the Covid lockdowns. However, I just couldn’t reconcile the idea, espoused by Keto devotees, that fruits, whole grains, and legumes are bad for you. I now eat a mainly Mediterranean diet and feel great.

[@leetpg]

People who use keto to lose weight do not say those foods are bad for you, they know carbohydrates are often linked with weight gain so they deprive their body of carbs and the body will use fat as the primary fuel. I felt great 120 days on a strict carnivore diet. Better than I felt on Mediterranean and better than I felt on keto.

[@Soulerous]

I must say, Paula, that although Gil's analysis does have many apt criticisms, it is not even close to telling the complete picture. It doesn't try to. Keto benefits are very real, but keto advocates can be wrong about things. Just like how the medical industry has been horribly wrong about so many things for decades. Fruit has been bred to be sweeter than is natural. It's healthy to eat in moderation, and some fruits are better than others. It can be bad. Legumes and grains are high in lectins, which affect some people more than others. There's plenty of science espousing the dangers of these, but it's not quite the same for everyone. Preparation can also dramatically change how healthy they are. Some keto advocates are against any sort of carb-based diet, which is narrow-minded. Others know better. Keto is a powerful tool for solving certain problems, mainly metabolic disease. If you are metabolically unhealthy, keto is the prime method for fixing that. If you are metabolically healthy, a Mediterranean diet will work excellently. I just want to caution against leaping to conclusions. The phrase "keto koolaid" tells me you have a lot more to learn about it. As do I. No disrespect meant at all! Have a wonderful day.

[@deltawhiskey1398]

Sorry...but sugar and excessive carbs are bad for you...period. Doesn't matter if its from fruits or vegetables. It's really not even debatable anymore.

[@leetpg]

@@deltawhiskey1398 there's a big misconception that refined sugar is worse than fruit sugar. The body sees both exactly the same. They're equivalent. The difference is refined sugar is usually in shitty, processed foods where as fruit has useful nutrients and minerals.

[@johnwilliam6092]

@@deltawhiskey1398 Most modern fruits are horrible for your health. Especially fruit juices. I grew up living on fruit and had belly fat, low muscle mass and felt crappy. Fructose is pro-inflammatory. It's man made at this point, just like 90% of all modern carb based food. Bad.

[@Warren_Williams]

wow, a lot of time went into this one! thank you for synthesizing this into one digestible source

[@ts3798]

Just want to say I really appreciate the work you do on this channel.

[@virginiamoss7045]

Finally, I found a reliable source for medical information on KZbin. I don't have the time to delve into these studies and interpret them for myself. I can trust your assessments because of your reasonings and thorough research. Yet mostly you present conclusions and descriptions consumable by the average person, at least someone who did fairly well in high school.

[@ahappyimago]

You read meta studies and narrative reviews on your own trust me. Many sources on KZbin become less reliable

[@JoeARedHawk275]

@@ahappyimago I would say nutrition made simple is a reliable source most of the time. Especially on topics involving studies on fats and cholesterol he seems pretty reliable. Unless you tell me that keto advocates are right or something, I’ll take a gander if your view is different from mine that this channel is generally reliable

[@ahappyimago]

@@JoeARedHawk275 Keto advocates are usually misguided of course. I’ve watched reliable people become corrupt over time as they become more KZbin famous. I don’t know this channel that well. I like Layne Norton but my main is you can gets a lot by going on PubMed and reading the narrative reviews yourself too.

[@xakushonx8798]

@@ahappyimago He is reliable. If you dont think so tell me please where he is wrong or if something doesnt make sense.

[@jarichards99utube]

IMO - The Flaw of this "REVIEW" is obvious... Information SELECTION BIAS... an all to COMMON behavior seen in the production of Pseudo-Science propaganda... It would be VERY Interesting to know WHO FUNDED this study. WHAT were the authors thinking...??? You be the judge. -StayWell Everyone 😊

[@juanramos.jr.7948]

I have always believed that people listen to, read, and see what they want to see. They only agree with something that coincides with there ideology. I agree with you, because you're a real doctor. I see a lot of these keto for life experts reverting back to a whole food omnivore diet. Thank you so much for what you do. I wish more of your colleagues cared as much as you do! I wish all of you would get together and fight this on line cancer of medical misinformation

[@sophiasoto1405]

Yes! The vegan or carnivore camps need to chill.

[@daisiesandpandas1218]

Me too, notice people just reverting back to omnivore after being too extreme, when you cut out some foods, you start cutting junk food too because it's easier than ingredient reading, so there's a false positive with any diet where people are like "my life is great"... Then years down the line, some nutrient deficiency or popularity of your diet choice so foods get labelled (veganism) help you realise it's not the diet, it's the cutting out of crap in the beginning. For example keto, everyone was eating whole foods when it started now manufacturers are "helping" by labelling keto junk food, so you don't need to ingredient check anymore.

[@Kinnnnnnnnn1]

Keto is already a whole food omnivore diet...there is no reverting at all... The most common reverting is only vegan/vegetarian people reverting to eating meat again, and improve their physical and mental health, and even get their life back.

[@nobodymister5435]

@@Kinnnnnnnnn1 I couldn't have put it better myself!

[@ClovettCC]

Hey Dr. C, thanks for the vid. One question: I've heard from Whole Food Plant Based people that the body can produce all the saturated fat it needs on its own, without dietary consumption. Is this suboptimal in any way? I'm assuming it would be very hard to get literally zero saturated fat, since there is some even in whole plant foods, but has this been studied?

[@RontheHurler]

Excellent video. But not quite thorough enough to satisfy a question I have. Some other very good, logical, science-based videos have suggested that most of those saturated fat studies include animal protein with the fat (since the saturated fat generally comes from animals) They implied (strongly) that it's not the fat, it's the animal protein that goes along with the fat that's causing the problems. Has anyone done a study for *identical* diets but one with lard, and one with coconut oil (a vegetable-based saturated fat), for example? I'm not a vegetarian nor a vegan, so I have no agenda other than health, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes, but the more research I do, it seems that NONE of these studies can be trusted. For example, what kind of saturated fat? Lard? Tallow? Ghee? Coconut Oil? or was it bacon, sausage and prosciutto with the animal proteins included? If separated from the protein, how was the fat used? Deep frying? In biscuits and gravy? Buttercream frosting? Heating the fat changes it. How many times it's been heated makes a big difference too. You talked about the replacements, but what about the inclusions, conditions and methods of preparation? Also, what time of day you consume it matters. Try shifting your breakfast to right before bedtime every day and see how fast your belly grows. (Personal experience. Your mileage may vary.) Are morning consumed fats digested the same as evening consumed fats? Without identical diets and lifestyles, isolating the one variable, and following it for *years*, it is flat-out impossible to know what's going on in such a complex system as the human body. (Computer operating systems are far simpler, but ask any well seasoned programmers how familiar they are with the law of unintended consequences. We've all been dumbstruck by things that shouldn't be related, but somehow are. Now raise that to the power of bio-chemistry...) Consider this -- I was looking into Oxalates to try and make sense of the paradoxical and contradictory dietary advice my mother was given by her doctors (renal failure, high bp, high cholesterol, others...) According to this database: ucikidneystonecenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Oxalate-Content-of-Foods.pdf Corn is both "very high" and "very low" in oxalates. Do a search for "corn" and notice that "popcorn, oil popped" is moderate, but air-popped popcorn is low. So, are the oxalates in the popcorn, or the oil? Notice that "corn grits" is very high, but "corn", "corn bread", and "corn flour" are all low. I looked at the ingredient list of my corn grits (Bob's Red Mill brand) to see what else was in it, and the sole ingredient is "corn". Corn can't be both high and low at the same time. Does particle size affect chemical composition? That seems unlikely. What else did they put in their grits? Cinnamon? Butter? Cream? Honey? Popcorn Oil? Why is that not reported? Honestly, the deeper I dig, the more worthless and agenda-driven most of these dietary "studies" seem to be. And, so many doctors abuse the Appeal to Authority fallacy that I gave up trusting doctors a long time ago (for nutritional advice. I still use them for broken bones and such.) So, I guess my real question is this -- Since you are a doctor, and Appeal to Authority is such an effective tool (even if it is often abused), are you writing a book anytime soon? Do you need any help with it? Want to help me write one? I'd love to help keep it both logically consistent and honestly USEFUL to the average person. (Sorry I didn't include any references. Maybe next time.)

[@georgebarr5102]

I agree with you 100%

[@pfavr]

Thank you. Feel I'm learning something when watching your videos. Great work.

[@שגהש]

This is one of the best nutrition videos I’ve seen in a while. Subscribed! Hopefully your channel will help me sort out the mess in my mind about what’s healthy to eat.

[@iansilver4853]

Fantastic breakdown. This video should be mandatory viewing for everyone before they're allowed to post anything on the internet, whether or not it's related to health/nutrition science. Also, it seems pretty clear that the European Journal of Preventive Cardiology has a problem with its peer review process.

[@lozgod]

I’d like to see a study regarding saturated fat in a low carb setting.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

see the recent Keto vs mediterranean video, touches on this

[@lozgod]

Thank you

[@Arugula100]

Thank you for the courage to show how influencers breed doubt and spread misinformation. Thank you for bringing science diwn to the level that a lay person can understand!

[@gummiesrule88]

Excellent treatment of this issue. What is really disturbing about the use of this study on KZbin is that it highlights the enduring problem of confirmation bias in dietary commentary. With all respect to Dr. Carvalho, lots of this stuff is not rocket science, as he likes to say from time to time. The problems with the study, or at least its conclusions, should have been immediately apparent to those KZbinrs if they actually had done their homework beyond reading the title and the conclusions and spreading disinformation to their readers.. Instead, they jumped on those "conclusions" to spread their own personal gospels about diet without regard to good science. And, frankly, I think he is being far too kind to the writers of this study. It is very difficult to believe they presented their findings in a truly disinterested, scientific way. Instead, they selectively slanted the heck out of the evidence to reach their conclusions. Very disappointing.

[@jarichards99utube]

Old Saying, "The DEVIL is in the DETAIL..." THANK YOU - for a detailed discussion of the latest research on a complicated and difficult subject... -StayWell Everyone 😊

[@alienatedbeing7513]

Would love to see some palaeontologists on the channel. One thing that’s always made me sceptical about people saying we should eat large amounts of animal fats is the fact that most wild game is very lean. Yes hunter gatherers prize the fat of animals but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re eating large amounts of it. Maybe they just know that if they don’t get enough fat from the lean wild game they eat they’ll struggle to stay fit and healthy, especially as in general meat is their main source of fat, so if they were only eating plant foods they’d most likely be on a very low fat diet

[@modo1896]

Wild game has a higher proportion of polyunsaturated fat although its low in total fat. It's comparable to a skinless chicken breast.

[@sebu1301]

What does it matter if game is lean or not. What we should eat and what we did eat are 2 different things. Hunter gatherers ate the animal whether it was lean or fat, because that was what they had available. It makes sense to kill the fattest animal possible, as you get much more calories for the same effort

[@alienatedbeing7513]

@@sebu1301 I get what you’re saying and in this video he touches on reasons to why there are other factors involved. But I think knowing what humans evolved eating is a good indicator to what we should be eating now. In the same way that you’d try to feed animals in captivity a similar diet to what they’d be eating in the wild. Take vegan diets for example, it’s very easy to end up with nutritional deficiencies and health issues from cutting out meat completely, which is something Hunter gatherer tribes would never do because they know their bodies need the nutrients from meat. And it just so happens that most Hunter gatherer tribes eat a diet that’s very similar to what this guy says is probably the best diet. A mix of Lean meats and whole plant foods. Yes there’s a lot of room for variation there but I mainly argue this point against vegans that say it doesn’t matter that we evolved consuming animal foods when it seems it does. Our whole biology changed because of it

[@brankokosteski]

@@alienatedbeing7513 hunter gatherers also ate bugs and roots to survive and smashed each others heads with rocks. they had an average life span of 30. seeking nutritional wisdom in prehistoric societies is ridiculous.

[@alienatedbeing7513]

@@brankokosteski You obviously missed my point. And eating bugs is actually a great source of nutrition, many cultures still eat them. Modern Hunter gatherers have an average short lifespan because of high child mortality rates, lack of healthcare and by living relatively dangerous lives compared to most modern cultures. Most of them that live to adulthood actually live long lives and stay healthy into old age

[@MrClarence1126]

Wow, I loved your commentary at the end. I wish that were a preliminary requirement before people start looking for KZbin stars that say what they want to hear.

[@ericr5481]

Thank you so much for the work you do. Even though I knew what the answer was going to be (because of your previous videos), I still enjoy the analysis and break downs you give. When you target a study or claim directly in a video, it makes it easy to direct people to a specific resource to help open their eyes if they're using this specific study or claim to support something.

[@lindamudronja6618]

I was slow to this episode but WOW what a winner! Great i fo Gil… much appreciated… from an Aussie breast cancer patient thanks!!!

[@jacobdebernardi4385]

I'm curious why we recommend PUFAs to be sourced from vegetable oils, when the processing they undergo makes some of them rancid with oxidation before they even hit the shelves. If that can be cleared up, it'd help my understanding a lot.

[@theartofbellydance]

PUFAs are abundant in plant foods and fish. They can be either omega 3 or omega 6. Vegetable oils are processed and high in omega 6. Evidence doesn’t show that vegetable oil, like canola oil, are necessarily harmful but they are processed. You can get all your MUFAs and PUFAs from whole foods.

[@jussilahteenmaki3475]

@@theartofbellydance And processing does not automatically make things bad.

[@jacobdebernardi4385]

@@theartofbellydance Whole foods are definitely the way to go, and I think omega-3s in particular are a good idea. But the issue for me is the type of processing these oils undergo. Extensive heating causes breakdown to the point that the fats are rancid. Acid washing, deodorization, etc. Not to mention PUFAs are particularly unstable when it comes to heat, I wouldn't exactly deep fry something in fish oil even if I could afford to. That's why I sub more heat stable coconut oil or avocado for my cooking in place of vegetable oil.

[@willou901]

@@theartofbellydance watch the video on vegetable oils. A lot of assumptions are based on common sense and what we kept hearing, which aren’t necessarily true.

[@nutritionhealthandriskprev6228]

This was a tour de force. It is appalling how politicized the scientific literature on nutrition is. There is so much rubbish and so much lack of rigor. I'm so glad to have a smart dude breaking these things down in such a straightforward manner.

[@nutritionhealthandriskprev6228]

​@@demoskunk Who told you that? It's not true. Humans evolved eating plants, like all other primates. Only in certain periods of human evolutionary history there was high meat consumption. Our basic anatomy and physiology is like that of the other apes. We are primates. Mechanistic studies are better than direct evidence? I don't really know what you mean there. However, it doesn't matter what studies you pick because they cohere. It is only when people start making leaps of faith that mechanistic studies give you the wrong picture.

[@nutritionhealthandriskprev6228]

​@@demoskunk By the way, you have to realize that there was no evolutionary pressure to remove chronic diseases from the gene pool, or the behaviors that lead to them. Leaving aside how long ancestral humans would live, you only need to live enough to reproduce as far as natural selection is concerned. In ancestral environments, the survival advantage confered by meat eating far outweighted the development of chronic diseases. This is true for chimps and other primates as well, they also eat meat from time to time. If you read real anthropology, you see a very different picture. Humans have always eaten mostly plants, including modern humans.

[@jessehoffman2726]

@@demoskunk Probably not. My hypothesis is that humans made that leap from great ape to 🦍"greater" 👨‍🌾great ape🧠 primarily by the increased consumption of various fungi🍄. If your theory of evolution was totally true, polar bears would have a civilization by now like depicted in the Jetsons whilst we would still be doing mud huts and running marathons only to take down a 50kg deer (very inefficient). Bears have been around here for longer than great apes and have a lot of diversity accounting for everything between the Panda to the Polar. Bears evolved from carnivores so polar bears sticking to the plan should be smarter than bonobos & any of the other great apes according to your flawed logic.

[@n2daair23]

Yeah, you’re spot on with the confusion aspect of this info! I’m now confused AF. It’s like the more I try to educate myself on my health, the more lost I get. No one seems to have a clue as to avoiding any autoimmune disease.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

we plan to create content on it, will try to bring on some specialists. confusion on social media is rampant... :(

[@n2daair23]

Yeah, especially when it comes to health, and then throw in some new versus old cholesterol studies, and poof=confusion! Thanks for getting so much new info on these things and helping us TRY to get it. You’re a great source of information and after receiving a high CAC score finding your info has helped me calm down somewhat.

[@pragooutube]

​@@NutritionMadeSimple Thyroid nodules for instance- I get iodine from salt, but I have nodules on my thyroid! 😢

[@lucasaraujo6.]

I, a week ago, was becaming a keto lunatic.Can't express my gratitude hahaha

[@donwinston]

Dr Brad Stanfield didn't have much faith regarding the qualifications of the researchers who did this study. He also more or less communicated that these researches didn't know what they were doing.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Or maybe they were as smart as a Fox. Meaning maybe they knew exactly what they were doing as did the doctors who made millions working for cigarette companies: ) follow the money

[@Joannacollie]

Om gosh. It’s such a relief to hear someone truly analytical! I really don’t understand all this anti- PUFA zealotry that you find online. You are my go- to guru now 😄