Nvidia Talks RTX 5090 Founders Edition Design

[@NicknameZer0]

That was more information than the whole show with Jensen

[@MegaChickenPunch]

Jensen is a massive clown

[@MajinOthinus]

More information on the cooler and FE PCB design, yes, but that wasn't the point of the keynote. Obviously a dedicated show off of a specific design will be more comprehensive.

[@robertlawrence9000]

More logical than saying saying a 5070 is as powerful as a 4090 🤦‍♂

[@MajinOthinus]

@@robertlawrence9000 He explicitly followed that up with saying that that is with AI. And it's not like that was hidden in small print either. People need to come down from their hate boner for AI; I get it, it has become a useless buzzword for most things, but this is an area where it actually applies for once.

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@MajinOthinus I'm just saying it how it was implied. No sense in implying something like saying that a 5070 is as powerful as a 4090 when it is not. "With the power of Ai" meaning mult generation, which in itself will have more lag than regular frame generation. He did NOT clarify that. Spec wise they are no where near the same. People need to come down from their love boner for Ai and look at the facts.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

Insane that heatsink can handle 575W! while the partners are throwing most of the earth metal at it.

[@Bry.89]

They'll probably learn from this a bit and improve upon partner GPUs next generation, or maybe even this generation as new models arrive.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

I can see the FE being on complete nightmare to do a thermal paste swap for

[@JM-kn9dh]

@@Takashita_Sukakokiapparently it uses Liquid Metal

[@Arnoud-nf6iz]

580w is not that much remember how everybody had 2x a gtx 480.. it was new like 300-400 euros

[@MrSatnavatron]

ok Nvidia worker

[@chrisrussellca]

NVIDIA made the engineers work for that pay check

[@abb0tt]

R&D budget is probably insane. Think big to go small. NVIDIA board partners and AMD GPUs now looking archaic.

[@A_GWAKwork_Orange]

@@abb0tt this cooler design really puts the aib's to shame. speaking strictly in terms of air cooling design for gpu, this is the way of the future imo. however, i think it would be better if the fan blades were reversed so that the heat is pushed out the case, and not onto the cpu/ram/vrm. this reversed fan config would be perfect for inverted case layouts like the ncase M2 where the heat just gets exhausted directly out the top of the case hopefully soon, they can get the total pcb size small enough to feasibly mount parallel to the mobo with the entire heatsink area flow through uninterrupted (like the 4090 prototype shown on GN recently). but theyd need to get that pcb very narrow for it to not be back to 3-4 slot chungus again.

[@B1-K4R]

Most of them are already millionaires with stock compensation.

[@Draig1999]

Well doesn't everybody? 🧐🤔

[@chrisrussellca]

@ I mean it’s mores of an expression that an obvious truth.

[@ShadySKWASHA]

Interesting to see the thermals of the FE model versus board partners and how the liquid metal solution holds up!

[@kukuricapica]

Nvidia taking over the top end of computation industry really fast. I dont think that 3rd party partners will be able to achieve same thermals to noise ratio. I was super surprised with nvidia also announcing their first cosumer level PC/server so there is a question how long when they partner up with strategic partners like Adobe, Sony etc. to make their own version of Mac. And contra to some people think Microsoft and Nvidia are really tight. I know for a fact that last year 70% of Nvidias silicon went to MS Azure so they are their biggest partner and it's only matter of time when MS will realease some Windows A.I. like cortana that will either run on cloud or be optimized for Nvidia. I could see some A.I. Cortana be marketed as your "home assistent" that will basicaly do all the task for you even for your work giving edge to whoever buy the right combination of HW + SW.

[@astrallite67]

@@kukuricapica We'll see if this unorthodox design can really compete with the quad slot monsters when Techpowerup reviews them

[@The_ViciousOne]

Imagine this thing is actually as silent as a 4090FE...

[@ericmatthews8497]

@@astrallite67 All of the ribbon cable connections between the three printed circuit boards are my concern. I had horrible luck with PCIe Riser cables in my last PC that I have decided they are not worth the effort anymore. I get better stability when my GPU is plugged directly into the Motherboard.

[@nullvektor9922]

​@The_ViciousOne The 4090 FE is not silent. The top right fan that pulls air through the cooler is already loud on the lowest speed. The AIB cards like the Suprim are so much more quiet.

[@nexusyang4832]

It's very interesting to see this board layout after having watched Gamer Nexus' video on their tear down of the prototype board that they got. You can see how this board has evolved possibly from that 4 slot monster. Crazy!!!

[@gerardw.7468]

Exactly. But this will definitely be a nightmare to clean lol. Took Steve 2 hrs to tear it apart (granted without any guide).

[@ShadySKWASHA]

Wasn't that a 4090? That didn't use liquid metal either. To me that seemed like a 4090 prototype

[@DirkDjently]

@@ShadySKWASHA I think OP was referring to the way that the prototype had the pcb completely out of the way of the airflow through the fins. That one had the pcb vertical, making it 4 slots thick, so OP was I think saying that this miniaturized and split-up pcb concept is a way to achieve that same thing without it having to be so tall and was likely influenced by lessons learned from the prototype

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@ShadySKWASHAIt was a 4090TI

[@Kvantum]

I was thinking the same thing. With that, they already had the prototype for the idea of the graphics card being broken up into three parts for better airflow.

[@skiper7795]

Whatever you think about the prices you have to give nvidia a round of applause for making 5090 two slot gpu.

[@zeiadosamaahmedngi3390]

No i won't because this isn't a problem to me, make it 4 slot for all i care just get the raw performance up by 150% and make it cooler

[@abb0tt]

@@skiper7795 that’s the irony. NVIDIA innovated, creating a better product at a price cheaper than board partners.

[@justinhogue9861]

Ya, id take an XL version that had 10% more performance. Already got the stupid large case to house a crazy large card. ​@@zeiadosamaahmedngi3390

[@MarauderYT]

@@abb0ttwith those profit margins I bet they had a ton of wiggle room to play with anyway 😭

[@10001000101]

Damn that is a significant improvement over the previous FE design, huge respect to the designers.

[@deamooz9810]

Modular repair possible now. Some people do manage to crack the PCIe connector

[@timestamppatrol]

yeah that another benefit for this design, now u can replace displays board without soldering

[@tristanwegner]

Cracked PCIE connectors are almost expected when transporting 1kg+ graphic card plugged in without additional support.

[@MrLuumpy]

Suuuure. nvidia will not allow that and you know it. Those parts will not be for sale. Only for partners and RMA.

[@CompatibilityMadness]

​@@tristanwegner Not when they are made out of metal (like on 4090 4-slot prototype that Steve from Gamers Nexus disassembled). I wouldn't be surprised if RTX 5090 FE had it as well.

[@SuspectDK]

If only it was possible to get a FE without having to interact with scalpers

[@TracksideViews]

You can if you put in the effort

[@SuspectDK]

@TracksideViews I'll give it my best shot, but I'm afraid I'll be disappointed

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

scalpers are scum of the earth

[@justinreynolds6318]

I'm gonna be camping out at Microcenter for opening release.

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

@@justinreynolds6318 They don't have new FE cards do they?

[@DizConnected]

I guess if you break the PCIe connector now all you need to do is replace it with a new one instead of the whole card being dead. NICE!

[@TheDudeof]

indeed a very great aspect of splitting the PCB into 3 parts.

[@Chromana]

The only elements likely to be broken by user errors are the Pcie connector, display ports and fans, all of which can now be replaced easily without needing a whole new main board. This is excellent for repairability and not something I really considered for GPUs before. Very nice!

[@kilosera]

@@Chromana Only if you can get the spares.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@kilosera I'd imagine you will be able to, it's basically free PR for Nvidia and even if THEY don't do it, the connector daughter boards should be simple and cheap enough that they can be provided by third parties without problem.

[@lostalx]

​@MajinOthinus nope. The daughter board won't be easy to find, and the volume is so low, so it's gonna be very expensive, and it's the Nvidia OEM part, and no Aftermarket can make it.

[@1stWorldProblemsSolved]

Great design. TBH one of the best I've seen ever. The fact the PCI connection is separated is going to make repair so much easier and reduce/remove the possibility of damage to the main PCB due to stress on the sockets/weight.

[@lemagreengreen]

Ahh true, hadn't considered that. Lighter weight probably helps too but yeah, heavy cards flexing at the PCI-E connection causes a lot of damaged cards. If board partners are permitted to do stuff like this they should be looking closely at this FE design, it seems to solve a lot of issues.

[@lostalx]

Yes, but the flex cables will not be easy to find. And the core repairs will be very expensive.

[@CompatibilityMadness]

I wonder if PCI-e PCB is made out of metal... (like on 4-slot 4090 card from last GN video)

[@MajorWTech]

I love that the founders card is only a 2 slot GPU but how about nvidia produce more than a few thousand of those GPUs? All those design and hard work for a 3rd party manufacturer just slap 3 fans and a huge heatsink so they can charge more and making it a 3 slot GPU.

[@aniketbhagat2425]

4 slot partner cards

[@sapphyrus]

Then people would rage about how they drove EVGA out of business etc.

[@ToastenButter]

I’ll stick to a PCB that isn’t as dense as the walled city in china

[@MissMan666]

it's not like they can just "charge more", if their design isnt efficient they wont sell. Also just adding more fans and material will also drive up the cost. Sure this looks efficient, but really we dont know much about that until reviews are here. The previous FE cooler design was pretty good, but several aftermarket solutions where way better, the same could turn out to be true this time again.

[@hasnihossainsami8375]

Man, I wish Gordon was still with us, I know he would've been excited to see something crazy like this.

[@iamdmc]

He's playing on a 5090 in heaven

[@magnusred2945]

​@@iamdmc playing with 2 in SLI

[@brandonchappell1535]

Waterblocks are gonna be a nightmare for this

[@peterpain6625]

I think as good as the card is looking you'd be better off with a 3rd party card if you want to watercool.

[@brandonchappell1535]

@peterpain6625 yeh same, just seen that gigabyte is releasing a pre-blocked one, i assume the others too. Was more an observation than anything

[@ole7736]

They are gonna look really cute. 😂

[@GoldenEDM_2018]

Yeah now how can i run 4 of these now simultaneously for LLM training, i need watercooling

[@GR34-e2o]

​@@GoldenEDM_2018 Stupid greedy dumb AI bro

[@Polyh3dron]

Maybe they can celebrate such an elegant PCB and cooler design by ramping up production of it and making it available through more outlets outside of Best Buy.

[@Ottertuber]

wow this was really interesting to see how much they had to do just to get it soo small

[@garypinholster1962]

You can tell that the protoype steve at gamers nexus took apart was totally the prototype cooler and pcb design for the 50 series cards. Thats freaking cool.

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

I remember when I got excited for video cards but scalpers and bots have ruined it for me

[@ZackSNetwork]

They ruin everything. The Switch 2 will be impossible to get this year.

[@MaxIronsThird]

You know you can just wait a week or so, right? This isn't 2021 anymore

[@ready1player31]

@@MaxIronsThird Remains to be seen

[@SuspectDK]

@@MaxIronsThird FE is in such limited supply that you might not even be able to get one ever if you don't get it on release day. that's how it was for the 3080 at least.

[@Jzwiz]

@@ZackSNetworknintendo mentioned a few months ago about making so many that scalpers wont be able to compete when asked in an investors meeting so, we shall see

[@fug33]

One thing that wasn't addressed in the video - is this 3 part PCB only for 5090 or is it also used on 5080 (and possibly future cards like 5080 Super/Ti versions)?

[@nickd7935]

Looks like 5080 as well

[@MajinOthinus]

He said that the design is different for the 5070, so 5080 probably shares the 5090 design.

[@Skuid87]

Amazing engineering and design. This FE card is probably the best GPU design I've ever come across. Very impressed! My only concern is how it will perform in a sandwich style SFF case like the Fractal Terra, since the GPU is mounted vertically and the hot air from this design will be blowing right into the case and onto the underside of the motherboard.

[@MajinOthinus]

I mean, SFF cases will obviously never have as good thermal performance as an equivalent ATX case, but in general, the additional space should help.

[@fpgamemearray]

shrinking pcbs is a challenge, especially when you subsequently have 14+ layers, but technically shorter distances are beneficial for higher speed traces (GDDR7X, PCIE5, DP80LL) so a more compact pcb would reach the rated bandwidth easier

[@Zibbybob]

This tech is revolutionary and so much more bigger than people can comprehend, that is TINY.

[@cyberaegis31031]

Surprisingly, the video doesn't mention the core tech of the FE cooler which enables the astonishingly high performance/size ratio: 3D Vapor Chamber that integerates a traditional vapor chamber and heat pipes.

[@deuswulf6193]

Liquid metal is being used too if i'm not mistaken.

[@Tri1umph]

@@deuswulf6193 its what the PS5 has for cooling

[@cyberaegis31031]

@@deuswulf6193 3DVC is the deciding factor which will be massively revealed soon.

[@MajinOthinus]

It doesn't really though. Heat pipes themselves are, for all intents and purposes, already vapor chambers.

[@cube2fox]

Yeah the video makes little sense without mentioning that. Just talking about the PCB and the fans alone doesn't explain how the cooling works, how all this heat from the PCB in the center is effectively delivered to the sides where the active coolers are.

[@matthewcherrington2634]

Watercooling in a small build is going to be crazy

[@ParisVi2]

2:27 so it’s not louder than the 4090? Interesting

[@MajinOthinus]

That remains to be seen, but it has a decent chance of being true I'd say. Depends mainly on the airflow inside your system I'd wager, considering there is less capacity (and more heat generation) before the rad is heat soaked while the cooling itself should be more effective. Probably amazing in something like the Fractal Torrent.

[@daniil3815]

To be honest I am still surprised how they made it so compact. Nice design, can’t wait for benchmarks. 👏 all board partners aren’t innovating compared to Nvidia, most designs are copy paste from 40xx, Nvidia FE really surprised. 👍🏻

[@abb0tt]

Agreed. Partners don't have NVIDIA's R&D resources.

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

Board partners only seem to have one design, and that’s the one they’ve been using literally for decades with a backplate, PCB, heatsink and then some fans on top.

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

@@kasimirdenhertog3516 AIB cards are pretty crappy once you take them apart.. this even goes for MSI Suprim and ROG Strix. Nvidia has been innovating with their FE cards since at least the 20 series.

[@LeesChannel]

So now 575 watts of heat is flowing directly over your RAM and CPU. The pass-through design is an elegant design in isolation, however it would be so much more elegant if it actually dumped that heat outside of the case. I know a lot of people hated the axial radiators of yore, but they actually ejected heat out of the back of the case. The pass-through design, while a huge improvement over the current designs, would be so nice if only you could have it at the top of the case, passing the heat out, or at least rotated to pass hot air out of the back.

[@MajinOthinus]

Current gen RAM really doesn't get hot enough for that to be a real problem and you're always gonna have a trade off between CPU- and GPU cooling in a case without custom loop. Axial radiators would just be moving the problem to the GPU instead of the CPU and considering the far higher heat generation of the GPU vs the CPU, overall performance would be worse.

[@LeesChannel]

@MajinOthinus All the more reason the GPU cooler should be at the top instead of the CPU radiator.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@LeesChannel I mean, there will be AIO variants where you can do exactly that, even if you don't want to build a custom loop.

[@LeesChannel]

@@MajinOthinus Which completely negates the pass-through cooler

[@MajinOthinus]

@LeesChannel As I said in my earlier comment, the pass through cooler really isn't an issue, but if you do think it is, there ARE other options that fit your exact need.

[@Biotfanime]

Been seeing a lot of AIB card videos/hands on, great to see PCWorld getting a FE video up!

[@Boorock70]

Centered PCB, Double Flow-through fans, 575W Xtreme cooling capacity on 2-Slots... Man, that's what I call Engineering-Art ! Kudos Guys !

[@jays8806]

Looks like they actually took some of their learnings from the 4-slot 4090 Prototype that GN just tore down. PCIe on a daughterboard, focus on airflow, etc

[@Hathos9]

My friend, Nvidia did not learn about GPU design from Gamers Nexus. They are a trillion dollar company with some of the best engineers on earth.

[@jays8806]

@@Hathos9 My friend, I said they learned from their prototype. not GN. GN just did the teardown recently

[@momojafar9385]

really need to see temp/performance comparison between founders and other retailers.

[@genericsidecharacter8915]

The 5090 truly is an engineering marvel, especially that founders edition. The engineers deserve every last bit of praise for the design. I just wish that it wasn’t overshadowed by the clusterfuck that is the marketing and advertising.

[@MrREDSTAR20]

Wish Gordon was there with you guys he would have something to say about the amd naming scheme for the cpus and gpus names lol I remember when he was talking with Steve about the names of the intel cpus last year in a restaurant and he got so heated lol

[@Noine14159145]

Yeah, really sad to not see him and get his thoughts, especially with these new releases.

[@SurirPi7]

Makes we want to buy one just because of the engineering

[@savedbybravado4382]

Love this interaction. You can tell hes not the engineer but worked really hard to learn the product and the thoughts behind it

[@spx2327]

Ngl, 2k is quite steep, but the engineering of the RTX 5090 is just insane 🦾Who would have thought this card would only takes up 2 slots??? 🤯🤯🤯

[@ATX_Engineer]

Hard work and dedication = 10+ layers with signal impeding ground planes. It’s amazing what engineers can do when they don’t have insane limitations set by product managers

[@x86FTW]

You mean limitations set by budget, this design is extremely expensive to manufacture and relies on multiple interconnecting boards to remain within 2 slots but a larger conventional design while larger is usually more effective when taking into account lower than ideal case airflow and noise output.

[@abb0tt]

@@x86FTW what was once innovative is now conventional and commodified. This is the new innovative form factor.

[@x86FTW]

@@abb0tt Innovative maybe in the marketing although 3 slot card is more cost effective than a fancy heatsink and multiple PCBs which must interface together. Simple is always better in engineering.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@x86FTW It's really not that expensive. Manufacturing multiple smaller daughterboards instead of one large motherboard for everything is actually cheaper on the board side. Only the compacted motherboard is more expensive and even then, the savings from the higher board yields should offset that to some degree.

[@ATX_Engineer]

@@x86FTW extremely expensive? Motherboards are often 10 layers and daughter boards aren’t unobtainium. The only real added cost is tooling for the cooling system, which is something every iteration of GPU has, maybe the heat piping here is more than previous. Side note: assuming the card has the same PCIe daughter amphanol low profile connector as the GN 4090 proto tear down. I’ve use that bad boy and it was a premium, but I’m sure they squeezed that margin.

[@HeadShotPapi]

If an ad ever plays in your video with that HUGE of a volume difference. I will never watch your channel again

[@byusa]

SponsorBlock

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

😂

[@gilgard294]

is that a threat

[@peterpain6625]

Why would you even watch yt without sponsorblock, adblockplus or brave? We are the product! They sell our data, personal or other. So i won't tolerate ANY ads.

[@zx5147]

Why, did it wake up your mom?

[@ryanvasei8412]

Waterblocks for this will be interesting

[@vita-girl4345]

Finally a video with actual answers as to how and why this thing works!

[@Marbeary]

Now it is more viable for small form factor PC with that size of 5090. Not in my budget range but great for SFF enthusiast.

[@yoppindia]

if the pcie or the hdmi connector fails then it can be replaced easily, that's a big feature. it might also technically possible to fit it in a small factor PC or slightly bulky laptop. Hope they standardize the connector so that parts are easily swappable.

[@60DollarCodger]

Great video, Adam! Fun to just see and appreciate the new neat tech. Bravo to those engineers

[@dmnkstk]

5080 has exact same cooling or smaller?

[@MajinOthinus]

In before 1-slot 5080 lmao.

[@TheTravelingTank]

Founded editions seemed to have killed a lot of innovative we used to see by board partners in order to make to money that Nvidia does

[@curtismariani6303]

I’m really interested in the 3D vapour chamber design, it looks like it wraps around some of the components. If this can keep it under 70 c and be slightly quieter than a 4090 (which was a massive improvement over the 3090 imo and out competed some AIB cards)) then I think it is really going to set the standard. I’m sure cablemod will have a cable that keeps it out of the way of the logo.

[@jalexorxe]

a whole work of physics and engineering, and then the assembly companies ignore all this and continue making the same video card design from 10 years ago, 3 fans blowing air against a PCB, oh, but RGB can't be missing.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

c o s t

[@Henry14141]

So it sounds like they did not change much on the 5070, but does the 5080 FE use the same cooler design? Does anyone know?

[@seanpaul211]

Are they using a vapor chamber with liquid metal or paste, what kind of pipes are they copper or aluminum. . What's the water block is like for the fe now that it has 3 pieces of board ???

[@TheNefastor]

Does it come with a fire extinguisher ?

[@RurouTube]

The thing is that this probably cost more money to make due to the added complexity of now having 3 PCBs in a single GPU. But since this is only for the more expensive model which I assume the margin is high it won't be a problem to do it. Also the biggest good thing that I immediately thought when looking at the design is that now the owner of these expensive GPU doesn't have to worry too much about PCB cracking and twisting due to sagging because even if it is sagging, the PCI-E connector and the outputs are in different PCBs, thus you can let it sag without damaging the GPU.

[@_shreyash_anand]

I would think the RTX 5080 cooler is the same. The dimensions on the website are the same so I assume they're just reusing the same design. Probably helps with some economies of scale and incredible noise performance for that model. Just hope they make more of them

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

It would still sag and crack the connector PCB traces. You wouldn't be able to easily find a replacement part for this.

[@RurouTube]

@@_shreyash_anand It is already in the video that if I hear it correctly 5070 doesn't use this design thus I assume the rest do use it. Not sure if it is 5070 series or only 5070 that don't use it.

[@_shreyash_anand]

@@RurouTube the 5070 Ti doesn't have an FE model

[@RurouTube]

@@notmyfaultthisishappening3795 It is just a PCB. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if you can easily find replacement for it. The PCB part should be very easy to make. The connector, which is probably proprietary, should be easily salvageable and resoldered into the new PCB. Basically what I'm trying to say is that there are plenty of dead GPU because of the sag and this potentially will eliminate that. Also remember that sagging is not only about PCB being cracked but the twisting potentially can make some chip to be disconnected from the board thus this design should also be able to prevent that from happening.

[@AaronAverett]

On that 5090 PCB.... Where is the slot connector? Ribbon cable on the back, like that prototype GN showed the other day?

[@OnBakePlatinum]

I love interviews with guys who know what they are talking about and aren't marketers

[@MegaChickenPunch]

You can be both. Like steve jobs

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

​@@MegaChickenPunch lol

[@abb0tt]

The new design also *maximized* repairability!

[@Mysteoa]

How so? Would NVIDIA sell the axillary boards or the cables that are used for connecting them?

[@abb0tt]

@@Mysteoa GPU repair techs often have to fix broken PCIe connectors and input ports. If you damage a PCB bad enough you can destroy the entire GPU. The new design segments the components, eliminating collateral damage.

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

@@abb0tt if you aren't able to source replacement connector boards, how would this benefit repairability? this is contigent upon actually being able to acquire those separate boards.. you would need donor FE cards.

[@abb0tt]

@@notmyfaultthisishappening3795 donor boards are a perfectly good source of parts. It’s also a lot easier and cheaper for components to be manufactured by 3rd parties looking to create a secondary market. The new form factor opened the door. The boards are not even on shelves yet, give it time.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@notmyfaultthisishappening3795 The daughterboards are simple and cheap enough that there should be no problem for third parties in replicating them, even if Nvidia doesn't make them available officially. And considering that it's basically free PR for Nvidia to make them available, there is no reason to assume they would be unwilling to do so, especially considering the aforementioned availability through 3rd parties - they'd be leaving money on the road if they didn't.

[@BuzzTec]

Awesome interview, very informative. It seems the Nvidia AIB board partners are using a one pcb design meaning chunky coolers (3 to 3.5 slot)

[@williamgum7960]

Why would a video that is clearly marketing a product need a sponsor? It's like a commercial for a commercial

[@LeesChannel]

That way people can make paychecks to provide you entertainment

[@escaaaaaa893]

Will thermals be fine on the formdt1?

[@Veptis]

But if the front of my case is intake and the rear exhaust... The GPU airflow is still wrong direction. And the ram isn`t inline.... Almost as if you need to rotate the baord 90° and make the tom exhaust and bottom intake? Why arent the desktop workstation options more like a server chassis where all airflow is inline one direction?

[@Northwoods55]

So now the best case for this is airflow from bottom of case to top. And then have a waterpump CPU cooler out if the way of the GPU since it only blows upwards. This is much better than my current setup where the GPU blows right on the CPU fanblock since I dont have a waterpump CPU.

[@jdogg0130x2k]

what bot do you guys use to get a founders card?

[@nimaahmadi-s7o]

Chatgpt

[@CaptainVKanth]

😂😂😂 Yes, important question.

[@maniau]

Astro Bot

[@MaxIronsThird]

Just wait a week, this isn't 2021 anymore

[@e2k220]

none since i am not a pdf

[@robertboroughs7824]

Brilliant engineering……however……beyond the air flow considerations they also noted how the 4000 series giant, heavy single PCB was prone to cracking due to sagging stress. So by modularizing the main PCB and having an external port module and a PCIe module- the two most areas prone to breaking no longer leads to a total GPU that is a brick. I credit them but to me this appears to be their prime motivation beyond airflow

[@OxnToGo]

Is the 5090 Coller the exact same as the 5080 cooler? I know the 5070 cooler is different.

[@Powerman293]

Feels nice we are still getting advancements in cooler drsign as AIB cards keep getting monstrously huge.

[@andrewmorris3479]

Thanks for the video! Rad, so the 5080 is identical in design? Do they both feature a vapor chamber?

[@CallsignVega]

I usually get the top tier AIB like the new ASUS Astral but man this FE PCB looks so amazing I may just get an FE.

[@Goldman_90]

wonder if they would've had any problems/less perf. just putting the PCB on the side(so there's no need for additional PCBs for connectors/pcie) and having both fans to one side

[@dPten]

So, in the 5090 founder's edition, the PCI interface of the graphics card is no longer integrated with main PCB. Did they do this to save the card from breaking due to sagging issue? If I remember, lot of 4090s were reported to have been damaged in this manner. So, would this affect performance?

[@rnf123]

Possibly, we have no way of knowing if that was part of their logic. If they were to keep the PCI interface on the same board while using this new design that has a massive hole for the left fan, the hole would create a weak spot in the PCB material and likely failure point under those sagging conditions. Better to have two PCBs connected by a cable.

[@thoriig3887]

another advantage is, that you can replace pcie board (when pcie connector breaks) or display board on death conenctors much easier. downside is, that it will take some time until watercool heatsinks will arrive.

[@Kai_O_Cad]

How long did the engineering team work to finalize this PCB?? 2yrs or longer?!

[@Accuaro]

Can you ask them if Founder Edition models will finally come to Australia/NZ? We have been abandoned ever since the 20 series 😭😭pleasee

[@blender_wiki]

Finally some real tech explainer and not the usual KZbinrs BS

[@_chex]

Curious how water blocks will handle the multiple PCBs.

[@ProjectswAlex]

Love how Nvidia didn't admit their connector orientation is a flaw, but here he says "Did you know cases have side panels?" Other than that this was a great interview.

[@seanpauli9423]

Wonder how loud it will be, whether db or sone?

[@jondoe9596]

This is such a compact and clean design. I'm impressed even without seeing the thermals.

[@TennessseTimmy]

Are partner models on a diff pcb?

[@ToastenButter]

Yes they are using pcb similar to 4090s size. I don’t trust these teeny PCBs and will go with an AIB

[@MajinOthinus]

Partner models use their own PCBs and will almost certainly be better for water blocking, but as far as air cooling goes, the FE design is probably one of the best. There is nothing that prevents a partner from using a similar PCB design in principle though.

[@differentmoves]

how does the airflow design work with multiple cards?

[@MajinOthinus]

Probably quite well, considering that it's complete flow through now. You really shouldn't air cool a system with multiple 5090s though, that's just asking for trouble.

[@ck1_kxdner]

Crazy. Nice Work by the Engineers!!!💥💥💥

[@obeliskt1024]

9:36 oh so the 5070 founder edition "heatsink grills" at the back plate is just for decoration then, there's actually no air pass through. It's just to look like the 5080/5090FE

[@BoneyardLabs]

Next gen fins should be metal 3d printed so they can add additional internal surface area for even better cooling!

[@gabel.3579]

Is the 5090 only going to have that design? Or will the rest of the lineup also have this.

[@eckostream3541]

That design is pretty much like putting a D15 on a GPU, it's 2x140mm fans pushing trough a double fin stack. Cant wait to see how people are gonna mod these with the PCIE and display separated, there is a lot of possibility for modding in ITX build

[@andreasstephan8301]

How loud is it?

[@robertlawrence9000]

Really nice design! Hopefully cables or connectors won't be a future problem on these cards. It would be nice to have vender replaceable parts just in case.

[@BlueHoodie74]

I want to see a teardown please. Need to anticipate how to maintain this later on for longevity. Will DEFINTELY need to replace that liquid metal from the GPU with a regular thermal paste.

[@danielcockriel443]

Any word on the benchmark embargo?

[@ceegii63]

Gordon would have loved the innovation

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

he would have. Rest in peace

[@EddyyyG]

Do someone know how the release date is going on? I mean what Time at the 30th Jan will they drop? Is there a typical time ( I guess any time in PT)? I am from Germany and I will stay up all night from 29th to 30th Jan refreshing the nvidia page all time. I want this freaking 5090. My 1070 need to go to bed XD

[@Silversoul99]

I prefer the old Founders edition design, But it’s still a nice upgrade

[@xaj]

Seeing the other cards, it’s almost like AIB partners don’t understand that compact is actually higher end, so Nvidia had to prove to them that there’s a market for it. Hopefully AIB partners actually take the hint for next gen GPUs!

[@hampocampo]

The engineering is really impressive. I used to think the 40 series pcb was dense. This is on another level. I don't like the melty power connector, but now it makes a lot more sense.

[@notreya]

That PCB is art.

[@retrosean199]

Looking forward to Steve on GN doing his interview with Malcolm from the engineering team about this too!

[@WyFoster]

With the triple PCB design. I doubt these will be good for water cooling and aftermarket water blocks.

[@zorbakaput8537]

They won't be, NVidia will no doubt make another Matrix version at $6000+ dollars for the rich and wasteful. I will be looking at the AIB versions. The FE does not suit for water cooling as is with 3 separate boards all hanging off a chassis you have to retain, but we haven't seen a GN teardown yet.

[@notmyfaultthisishappening3795]

good, nothing worse than buying a used FE card only to find out that some tool took apart the card to use with a water block.

[@bibithebunny2628]

5070 fe is more similar to the old founders editions? How? It looks like the same 2 fan flow through design to me

[@Oztorek]

Great video and questions. I guess I would have loved for you to ask why their partners have all created larger cards than what they have here.

[@AlexSchendel]

It's certainly an impressive feat of thermal and mechanical engineering. We'll have to see how it performs thermally. There is certainly a worrying trend of pushing the 12VHPWR connector to its limit. 575W on a connector rated for 600W where the 450W 4090 was already having myriad issues with the connector. The 12VHPWR connector already has dramatically reduced thermal margins compared to the 6 and 8-pin PCIe power connectors.

[@dolan_plz]

Masterful work! It looks slick.

[@miguelcollado5438]

This design eliminates Board Flex PCB Damage... just replace the extra add-on with the PCIE connector if any flex does happen

[@lo0nyk]

10:52 so it totally makes sense to have the connector angled. It was angled on 30x0 series, and angled back again on 50x0 series. So why the hell it was put straight on 40x0 series cards? the PCB design is very "apple" like. Wonder how the repair chaps will react to these

[@SiônDavies-b4p]

its nice but i dont understand why the cables run right over the geforce text? so dumb