Forbidden Planet and the Magic in Science Fiction - Summer of Shakespeare

[@CasaiAgicap]

"I'm sorry, I was giving myself an oil job." My goodness, that is quite the *crude* joke.

[@moviemaestro800]

😉

[@brianhagen8244]

Somebody had to monitor the pool!

[@darania1]

Touche good sir...

[@Langkowski]

Only if you're circumcised

[@gabe_s_videos]

I actually got a little choked up when you used that lead-in of “Science Fiction Double Feature.”

[@Archeopteryxman421]

I think he hinted at it, but Gene Roddenberry said this film was one of the inspirations for Star Trek.

[@R3GARnator]

Hah, star trek was almost a ripoff.

[@geographicaloddity2]

I know that David Gerrold in one of his books on either the making of the Trouble With Tribbles or Star Trek as a whole said as much. I'm not sure Roddenberry ever publicly gave credit.

[@tombrown407]

@@geographicaloddity2 Given the significance of Forbidden Planet it would be odd to directly cite it, as it would be almost obvious. It would be like how it is entirely redundant for a Fantasy writer or artist to cite Tolkien as an inspiration because Tolkien influenced literally everything afterwards.

[@airplayn]

Another 50's SF that inspired Roddenberry was A. E. Van Vogt's "The Voyage of the Space Beagle"

[@Jaytheradical]

I haven't seen this movie since I was a kid, and when you're a kid every movie looks equally good, but watching those matte paintings and model shots now (the overhead glimpse of the interior of the machine in particular), god, what beautiful effects work that was.

[@2010dennis]

The sound track for movie was also used in a movie called "The Doomsday Machine" which can be found on KZbin. The scene where they are walking down the corridor of the machine is a film of them walking across a parking lot with a matte painting of the machine added.

[@Sargonarhes]

Technically there was a tempest in the Forbidden Planet, the monster of the Id itself. It was Mobius' deep self, but powered by the thousands of reactors it was a technology fueled storm. Unstoppable by even all the firepower Adams and his crew could throw at it.

[@MarquisSmith]

*Pauses video while he listens to Science Fiction Double Feature* Itch well and truly scratched. You may continue.

[@oldcanadiangamer130]

Yeeeeahhh - Richard's voice and Patty's lips. Classic!

[@wolverineminer]

The monster from the id reminds me of the Red Bull from The Last Unicorn.

[@1987MartinT]

Yeah, I can see that. There are a lot of similarities: the size, the broad body, the red colour, etc. It is actually based on Leo the MGM lion, and they gave it a goatee to give a hint to the fact that it comes from Morbius' subconscious.

[@katedoes...9783]

Brilliant as always. Excellent mix of humour and analysis. Loved the bad guy narration and the elemental discussion.

[@snorlax42]

"O brave new world, That has such robots in 't" Thanks for another great review, Kyle! I'll have to go and watch Forbidden Planet now

[@SamAronow]

Those visual effects still look pretty good.

[@jackward3799]

A couple of important things to note: the Boleraphon did not crash, it landed. Noted in the movie it was vaporized while trying to take off. Also, Morbius, although seemingly sinister, was not himself evil, it was his subcocious Id that was, a fact he was barely aware of.

[@rosebyanyname]

THE FUTURE...IS...SLOSHED! haha have to use that

[@dickbuelow8968]

Best Sci-Fi movie ever, considering when it was made

[@robabiera733]

So you finally caught on to something that's been common knowledge among Star Trek fans for decades now. LOL! But seriously, thanks for this! It's just the point-by-point comparison and examination of The Tempest and Forbidden Planet I didn't know I wanted until I actually watched it! That it comes from someone who is eloquently knowledgeable about both Shakespeare and science fiction is all the better!

[@sesfilmsllc]

My high school science teacher also had a club where we would watch sci-fi films and had a miniature model of Robbie The Robot.

[@AlexanderHarris]

Today I learned that I can't read the words "Forbidden Planet" without adding, "Oh oh oh oh ohhhhhhh, At the late night, Double feature, Picture show."

[@ashleightompkins3200]

I had to stop and listen to that song!

[@jeffwatkins352]

Nicely done! A very cute yet insightful exploration of all aspects of this masterpiece of film making. Isn't it nice we have youtube to share with us these kinds of appreciations which would otherwise have vanished without a trace?

[@jackkraken3888]

It was a fun movie to watch despite some of the dated sexism. One scene I liked was how in the end the Captain of the UFO was the one that figured out who was behind the monster, despite the fact that when they tested his IQ, its wasn't nearly as high as his doc friend or Morbius. And they even mentioned how it wasn't important for being a captain.

[@VisualOrchestra]

Actually, Commander Adams and his crew were not looking for "a crashed ship", they were there to relieve the crew of Bellerophon and take over their duties, which happened to be a twenty year cycle, apparently.

[@marianotorrespico2975]

Thanks, for the usual, excellent work, Mr. Kallgren. I especially enjoyed the pithy analysis of "Coriolanus".

[@BlackSilver23]

When I read the title "Forbidden Planet" I was thinking of "Fantastic Planet." Not that I was disappointed, but that would have been an interesting analysis, I'm sure.

[@WikiSorcerer]

I hear that George Lucas' latest film "Strange Magic" was loosely based off of "A Midsumer Night's Dream". It would make a hilarious crossover review

[@minespatch]

Aza Smith It would be nice to see Kallgren to analyze it.

[@ArthurCrane92]

Holy crap I didn'tknow Leslie Nielsen was in this!

[@ewaf88]

But shirley you should have known this.

[@DoveAlexa]

+ewaf88 Boo! Out!

[@oldcanadiangamer130]

@@ewaf88 Roger Victor, Shirley your security Clarence should have covered this!

[@nicholashurst780]

Robbie the Robot, the first prop to ever get a 3 movie deal from the studio

[@Rune3D]

After watching this episode talking about themes and similarities to "The Tempest" I honestly think you need to check out a project on KZbin called "Cyberpunk ASMR" I'm not sure if you're familiar with ASMR, but they're basically videos based on triggering relaxation, and has become a popular trend on KZbin. Even going as far as founding an International ASMR day, April 9th, back in 2012. Cyberpunk ASMR is a science-fiction-radio-show style series about how a "cyber-doctor" conspires with a hitman to bring all the people who betrayed him and ruined his life to a flying city called Prospero. I think the series and the concept of ASMR would make for a very intriguing episode, even without the similarities to Shakespeare.

[@leap4joytx]

love the rocky horror reference (me, singing: SCIENCE FIIIIICTIOOOOOOONN)

[@Desert_Rose_]

Idk about you but Ming the Merciless Beards are a notorious sign of trustworthiness

[@Amaritudine]

This is one of those sci-fi classics that I simply haven't seen yet, and really ought to. For that matter, I haven't read or seen The Tempest yet either. So many classics, so little time... but this review is a fantastic incentive to get up to speed. One wonders, though: if the internet had existed in the 1950s, would the message boards be full of angry posts denouncing 'Forbidden Planet' as the worst movie of all time, because it's just "Tempest in space"?

[@ThePa1riot]

Amaritudine The Tempest is one of if not my favorite play of the Bard’s and my Dad showed me this movie as a kid. It’s hard to answer any “what if” question with any degree of certainty. Remember, even if the technology existed, the community surrounding message boards, reboots, and adaptations is a cultural innovation as much as a technological one. One can though look up contemporary reviews of the time to get an idea of audience reaction.

[@ManOutofTime913]

Probably not. like, if you go back and look at a lot of the classic stories you grew up with, very few of them are entirely original and many have direct inspiration or are taken from a handful of obvious ones. The problem with today's remake and sequelitis is that there's not even a change in medium or form to distinguish the existence of the remake. Most of the time, they're just telling the same story again but worse.

[@stephensmith7327]

I love how one of the robot helpers he pointed out is fisto from new Vegas. Three guesses on what he's for. But other than that this was a very good video.

[@dougmphilly]

jonny quest's "invisible monster" reminds me a lot of forbidden plant's monster.

[@ShotDownInFlames2]

Had to be the inspiration. And the scientist who created it got done in by too, if I remember right.

[@Loungemermaid]

I want ongoing schlep through the stars on a shirt

[@stephennootens916]

The mention of slut shaming reminds me how Science Fiction at least literature is more often than not the opposite unlike genres like horror and noir. This is largely have to do with writers Robert A Heinlein who put in female who were unquestionable sexually active, such characters still show up in science fiction suck in the works such as Mike Shepherd's Vicky Peterwald series and Joel Shepherd's Cassandra Krasnov series.

[@oldcanadiangamer130]

I'm going to be the bad guy in this discussion and point out that the REAL hero in this movie - which I adore - is Anne Francis's incredible legs...

[@photobug.rose28]

I love the shout out to Rocky Horror

[@PepperJAQ]

3+years later and that last bit still makes me laugh. XD

[@TatianaWrestles]

I was surprised that there was no mention of the musical adaptation. The musical uses the same premise and Shakespearean dialogue along with 80s rock 'n roll as the soundtrack. It was pretty awesome, even if the names were changed around.

[@davidcolby167]

I will say this: The monster from the id is scary to this kid from the 1990s!

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Realizing that this movie was basically a Shakespeare play IN SPAAAAAACE blew my mind.

[@caitlinerickson7355]

I think this may actually be a more accurate adaptation of I, Robot than, well, "I Robot"

[@writerspen010]

I'm starting to become really curious about what you would think about the Met's operatic productions of Shakespeare's plays for the Live in HD series. I saw the production of The Tempest, which was put on... maybe 3 or 4 years ago at this point. I'm not particularly familiar with that play, but I enjoyed it, and really loved the set and costume designs.

[@Blokewood3]

I saw this movie as a kid in the 2000s, and the monster from the Id terrified me.

[@ricksandstorm]

Bring back Shakesphere Month and let them all be about Star Trek!!

[@Nagoragama]

Great video, can't wait to see more.

[@nathanplante4570]

This is without a doubt the best episode of your show.🔭🚀👽🎥

[@Redem10]

I can't help but think of the great machine of Epsilon III in Babylon V

[@urahararocking]

Redem10 yessss B5

[@wratched]

Where do you think Strazynski got it from?

[@geographicaloddity2]

Many years ago, JMS said in one of the newsgroups that the inspiration for the great machine came from FP.

[@oliversmith9200]

You're funny KyleKallgrenBHH. Fun and informing. :)

[@unicomp5705]

Great, fun, informative vid on the movie!!!

[@ChristopherSobieniak]

Actually Warner Bros. currently owns Forbidden Planet.

[@RexMundane]

Coincidentally, I happened to be making my way through Star Trek Enterprise at the time I saw this, and the episode Oasis popped up soon after, which follows almost the exact same story beats note-for-note as Tempest/Planet, only with holograms instead of robots, themes more about self-forgiveness than self-restraint, and Tom Bergeron.

[@isiahsreviewsofstuff1017]

Kyle, just a suggestion for a future Shakespeare analysis. Can you take a look at Sons of Anarchy a.k.a. Hamlet on Wheels? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it.

[@chrismosquad1056]

Great video, sir! (Thanks!)

[@Jurgan6]

I just saw Forbidden Planet, and then I rushed over to see Kyle's reactions. They all pretty much mirror my own, though I've neither seen nor read The Tempest, so I didn't have that in my head. Remakes get a bad rap these days, but Forbidden Planet is a case where a remake would make a lot of sense. There’s a solid core to the story, but the specifics are desperately out of date. Get Ridley Scott on the line; it has one of those “extinct alien” conspiracies he loves so much. Film on location in a harsh environment and maybe apply a bit of CGI to make the planet bigger. You can make a visually scary monster, perhaps one whose physical features reflect the anger and jealousy of its creator (Scott pioneered symbolic monsters with H.R. Giger and their rapey Xenomorph). Also you can make a sleeker, more sophisticated robot that doesn't make tape deck noises before it speaks. Maybe Morbius is reimagined as a douchey tech-bro futurist (the Krell’s backstory is basically that they obtained The Singularity and then destroyed themselves). Above all, diversify the crew and either ignore or directly critique the misogyny in the original. Perhaps Farman, the commander’s rival for Alta, betrays him so he can have her for himself, and claims it’s her fault for tempting him. Have Farman be a super-cultured officer who looks down on the slovenly crew, thus reflecting the theme of sophisticated people who are brutes on the inside. There’s a ton of potential here, and I’m kind of surprised no one’s tried it yet.

[@marconatrix]

I would have severe doubts as to a remake, a classic is what it is, warts and all, and who knows how it might be viewed in another 60 years etc.? But IF you do have a remake, PLEASE FFS don't show the monster. It's far more scary unseen than any cheepo bit of Disney animation. (Like the footprints forming was brilliant and afaik never repeated!) I think that at the last minute they simply lost faith in the audience's ability to imagine the beastie --- pity, it's the one thing IMHO that lets the film down.

[@MarkArandjus]

The last airbander. Oh, LAL.

[@jordangreen9201]

how did I miss this ep?

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Your video blew my goddamn mind on this.

[@ThomasTiernan]

Well done.

[@AdamosDad]

I saw this film in I think 1956, at the RKO Albee Theater in Cincinnati, just before we moved to rural Indiana. It changed me and sent me on a lifetime love of science fiction, science and technology. To me it is the leader in the trifecta of sci-fi films, including "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and 1984, this is my personal favorite 3, I'm sure many will disagree with my choices, but they are that, mine.

[@Madcapredcap]

In the far distant future year of TWO THOUSAND!

[@NathanOkun]

Morbius did not want to get off the planet. He hated humanity and hoped to never see any people unless he wanted to himself under his rules. The story was much more like the Tempest than you state. Revenge was replaced by a superiority complex, but the results were not that different.

[@whitherwhence]

WAAIT, wait, wait... JJ Adams? Like, JJ Abrams, except not quite? Am I supposed to be able to restrain my mind to anything else before I have an answer?

[@kurtb8474]

I took one basic psychology class 17 years ago. The term ''subconscious'' mind, used by Adams, is clinically incorrect. The correct term is ''unconscious'' mind.

[@spockboy]

Great job. Make more please. :)

[@19torento]

It's not a mystery movie. You know who the villain is, but the protagonists don't, which leads to some "very" creepy, ominous and foreboding build up and suspense.

[@ToruKun1]

I think that electronic music is less of a "BLORP" and more of a "VREEN"

[@000Gua000]

thumbs up for sci-fi. Hope to see something related to horror.

[@annoyed707]

Titus Andronicus?

[@Rgoid]

Forbidden Planet's C-57-D is a Flying Saucer . . . from EARTH!

[@Alex-so2hz]

Actually, sci-fi existed before Shakespeare's day. I strongly recommend the first ever work of science fiction, True History by Lucian of Samasota-- coincidentally, it is about some men getting stranded on an island following a storm, except they also have a "Voyage to the Moon," of sorts, and meet the king of the moonmen. And then, though only tangentially science fiction, there is Utopia by Sir Thomas More.

[@lamecasuelas2]

Alex M sc fi is as old as human kind itself, but Frankenstein is take as an early example because, yel you know, you probably already read it, and then Verne and of course Wells came in who basically solidified some of the motifs and concepts associated with the genre,and the term sci fi was first used in the early 20th century if my memory does not betray me and then well the rest is history, although i have to mention that some peeple like me prefer to use the term Speculative fiction which may or not be a sinonim, but that is debatable

[@AdamYJ]

I find that a lot of people count anything that involves people going to or coming from someplace in the sky (like the moon or the stars) as science fiction. But I think that might be an oversimplification and place strange limits on sci-fi’s close cousin, fantasy. Is fantasy just limited to the earth and sea while sci-fi gets the heavens? For example, the Japanese tale of “The Bamboo Cutter” which features a princess from the moon. You could think of her as an alien, but she could also be just a much more specific take on the Asian idea of the “celestial maiden”.

[@QueenSoledad]

Gotta wonder, Is Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead ever gonna get its day in the sun?

[@theGhoulman]

+QueenSoledad Oh there's a request I can get behind! Loved that film back in the day! :)

[@x.y.8581]

If you liked the movie, read the novel which is a fuller, more detailed version of the story.

[@tandnmom100]

Rocky Horror mention noted!

[@jacknapier8201]

Shame you didn't mention Robbie's long career. Yeah, turns out that prop was too good to only use once so he appeared in multiple things after Forbidden Planet, usually as a cameo but occasionally as an actual character such as the episode of Mork & Mindy he's in.

[@goofyfish]

I know I'm late to the party, but this was very nicely done. It is my pleasure to give it an up vote.

[@stephenlucas8836]

So the id monster is actually a giant purple Squig.

[@jeffwatkins352]

In the first part of this video, when it seemed you were dissing FP, I was tempted to give it a pass with a thumbs down. I'm glad I watched to the end, because your appreciation ultimately validates both the film and its roots in Shakespeare, while doing a nicely witty job of relating it all to the SF continuum. Very good work indeed! And many thanks.

[@ElectricEvan]

I love this!

[@lasalleman]

Interesting analysis.

[@quiroz923]

Well, I guess we know what comes next. Time to brush up our Klingon, everyone! Jk, I don't speak Klingon. Did you have to learn Klingon, Kyle?

[@Snes_Controller]

quiroz923 You can't enjoy Hamlet until you read it in the original Klingon.

[@quiroz923]

***** ...that's the joke. The next version of Shakespeare he's gonna talk about is The Klingon Hamlet.

[@fallingcrane1986]

taH pagh taHbe'!

[@ednotari1345]

Nice to see something sci-fi show up, though I am curious what that reaction at the end was.

[@rafmeinster]

ed notari That the whole premise of Forbidden Planet was similar to that of Star Trek. Also that he's doing the Klingon Hamlet next.

[@ednotari1345]

rafmeinster I knew the Star trek bit,though didn't realize the Klingon opera bit. It's certainly a different culture, if nothing else.

[@gamestation2690]

rafmeinster The Klingon Hamlet is a book, though. And he reviews movies.

[@ednotari1345]

GameStation3 well, that'll be a thing then.

[@gamestation2690]

ed notari Maybe it means he's going to talk about the Shakespearean influences in the Star Trek franchise.

[@Prilavolus]

The "C57D" spends a little ever a year to travel the 17 light years between Earth and Altair. The 20-year span separates the arrival of the two ships on Altair 4, first the "Bellerophon" and then the "C57D." Though this was unknown in the 1950s, Altair is a flattened sphere with no known planets.

[@fredbernardin3]

Did he say "adamantium steel" at 14:30? Something tells me some young future Marvel comics writers were in the audience...

[@fredbernardin3]

Ok, 14:26...

[@jackkraken3888]

Yes, I think there are multiple things in this movie that influenced modern day stuff.

[@grahamkristensen9301]

Hey Kyle, now that Blip is going down the tubes, do you think you'll ever upload your back catalogue to your KZbin channel?

[@Bedinsis]

He will. twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/623225994699255808

[@phatkiwi3845]

Graham Kristensen Yeah he's working on it. :)

[@MarkArandjus]

Ethan Anderson I hope he saves the Gerry Redux one, that was one of his best, I loved it!

[@minespatch]

Graham Kristensen I'd love to see his Girlfriend Experience review in it's entirety here. Shame that it was taken down due to such ridiculous uproar.

[@grahamkristensen9301]

Minespatch the channel Considering Kyle's views on feminism, I have a feeling that video will never see the light of day again.

[@scotthillman9134]

Yes Star Trek Steals from Foridden Planet left right and center, but do think this is a lot more dark and moody then Star Trek Ever got.

[@TheGuilkato]

So you're saying its reminding you of Babylon 5

[@perrymalcolm3802]

Elements of this were also ripped off in a Jonny Quest episode

[@brianhagen8244]

Actually, in Gene Roddenberry's authorized biography, he states that the role mode for Kirk was Captain Horatio Hornblower.

[@SavageGreywolf]

Kyle, I'm just going to guess that your next video is going to be about Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country? :)

[@Regalecus_glesne]

Great video! And nice use of The Tempest Symphonic Fantasia, a dreadfully underperformed piece.

[@stifledvoice]

Raygun Gothic-- that's my new nerd rock band name!

[@marconatrix]

Spot on as a review, I'd say :-)

[@sholem_bond]

I'm trying to figure out what the song playing in the background around 7:22 is. It's not listed in the credits I don't think :P

[@Dlytell]

I take exception with Robby being the real star. He was a prop and the comic relief but Adams was the real star since he rose to the occasion, solved the mystery, saved his crew and he got the girl. Still this movie was the cause of my love of Science Fiction. I put it in the same strata as 2001: A Space Odyssey. On balance your review had depth and was insightful. Although Morbius did not create the technology. in a sense he too was a victim of the Krell. A very sophisticated film and story. I wish the Id monster was a distorted image of Morbius' face instead of a cartoon MGM Lion.

[@QuikVidGuy]

Do you only cover films that are CONFIRMED Shakespeare adaptations, during SoS?

[@emtube9298]

Well done, sir!

[@thatkidwiththehoodie]

Ah, the two genders... Man... and fish.

[@Lamporre]

7:17 What is that music in the background? It sounds timeless and dated at the same time.

[@ursidae97]

What r ur thougts on Avatar Last Airbender btw?

[@CartridgeMaster]

So many MST3K references

[@John-merman]

the end on were he realized forbidden planet inspired star trek almost killed me

[@aaroncalloway2898]

tempest is -the best shakesspeare