Oats & Human Health | Dr. Ken Berry MD

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

My sincere thanks to Dr. Berry @KenDBerryMD for being willing to come on and have this conversation. He didn't have to but he was genuinely happy to do it. Hopefully this cordial, respectful evaluation of different views based on scientific evidence helps viewers achieve clarity and make informed decisions.

[@jeffj318]

Doctor, this was too long of an interview and I love everything you do. I went straight to the summary and take aways after skimming some of the chapters and having been a devotee of Dr Ken Berry for 18 months. I have now returned to my whole foods plant-based way of eating, low saturated fat and high fiber and reduce my LDL from 200 carnivore to 47 whole foods.

[@adamrisch]

Sorry but I don't think these videos where you try to find common ground with obvious grifters are particularly helpful and may in fact only serve to grant them undue credibility. Which is why for example, Dr. Berry is willing to do it - because he knows you will treat him with kid gloves and therefore he gets something out of it. You can debunk these frauds (and have in the past) without engaging them personally and treating them with a respect they frankly don't deserve.

[@hugomarquez3189]

@@NutritionMadeSimple I don’t know how you do it Gil, I have the patience of a pissed off pitbull. The first BS I hear I go off. This is why I probably shouldn’t phone bank or canvas for these elections. Kudos to you for putting up with so much.

[@RobZwierlein]

@@adamrischHe gives him way too much respect.

[@carnismiscancer2108]

Ken Berry deserves prison time. I'm not sure if you are aware of this,but he's been disciplined by the medical board. He reused medical equipment on patients that could have spread HIV. He lies about being on the Carnivore diet. He continues to say he eats only animal products to sell himself to his followers. His wife Neisha has a channel where she cooks foods with plants and Ken is seen eating the food she makes. This guy is a liar and a fraud and doesn't deserve to have any respect. With all that being said, I'm still glad you had this video with him to prove that he knows nothing about science. Ken is one of the biggest quacks I've seen. It's scary how he has over 3 million followers and spreading misinformation.

[@auricia201]

What does it matter that only poor people ate oats? Rich people are usually not an example of healthy eating, only excessive and indulgence eating

[@baarbacoa]

Yes, gout, heart disease, etc. go with "rich folks" diets

[@ShawnKepner_YouTube]

Exactly!!!!!

[@Chefankläger]

Well said! Very good point.

[@Leiska86]

Rich people are on averge much healthier than poor people.

[@Fearzero]

​@@Leiska86No but they have access to better health care.

[@benjaminriedmuller8085]

Gil is just a GOAT when it comes to patiently and respectfully disect certain arguments as well as making things simple and clear for viewers to understand. Thank you! Please keep on making more of this wonderful content. As well as being openminded to see proof of anything that may disagree with what he has seen so far.

[@timothylink4386]

It's silly to attack oatmeal, considering all the crap choices out there. Maybe worry about PopTarts.

[@derekjolly3680]

Gosh I ate plenty of those when I was a kid!

[@ToddRerie]

this video is a textbook battle of science vs story-telling. By having these debate videos Gil is illustrating what he's been teaching us all this time

[@alexsmith-gn4tp]

Absolutely ❤️🇬🇧

[@jeffj318]

Storytelling is a good word to use. I'm a former carnivore and devotee of Dr Ken Berry. LDL through the roof eating carnivore. Once I switch back after 18 months and jump started my whole food plant-based eating with a low dose statin did my LDL go down to 46. This carnivore crap is playing BS.

[@darthsmokester4759]

He's the gOAT!

[@BarryMcDowell-e4k]

so true

[@bojohannesen4352]

​@@darthsmokester4759You didn't...

[@tednaiman]

I am here to present Gil with this extreme patience award 🥇

[@privtprofile24]

I am 10 minutes in and the interruptions are already brutal.

[@darthsmokester4759]

I honestly walk away from Gil's interviews with a lesser view of myself, because I'll never have his level of patience... Is it wrong that I just want him to shatter someone's entire fundamental view of reality or am I just overly sadistic? On that note, never change Gil lol... Your patience is grounding. My constructive criticism, which I understand why you do it your way, but I think you 'let points of misinformation' go unchallenged. But that said, it's why you (Gil) can have a discussion, not a debate

[@recreatingkaren]

The patience of a saint, for real.

[@RogerHyam]

The patience of Job!

[@ToddRerie]

I don't know if it's a technique or not but it's very effective, he stays calm and lets the guest jump in and talk as long as they want while he takes less time for himself but when he talks his comments are straight to the point and devastating

[@liverleef]

The important takeaway here is never eat something that poor people once ate.

[@davidbarko7004]

Lmao

[@variableprime]

😆

[@scrollop]

You better add /s otherwise some people will believe you...

[@notyourdamnbusiness8795]

thats why i throw my caviar away all the time.

[@venetianlucifer]

The balls to present that as evidence with a straight face.

[@thomashugus5686]

Poor people ate oats = oats are unhealthy??? WTF kinda logic is that??😮

[@ShawnKepner_YouTube]

Extremely flawed

[@bojohannesen4352]

@@thomashugus5686 Science, bi... Bro!

[@richardhole5301]

Rich people ate butter. Turned out margarine is heathier.

[@harvinderubhi5540]

Drivel

[@thomashugus5686]

@@harvinderubhi5540 drivel??

[@AnHourOfWolves]

Because Pepsi co bought Quaker, oats must be unhealthy. Love the scientific rigor on that one.

[@Toaster-v1z]

Yes. Goes to prove you don't have to be smart to be a Dr.

[@jeffj318]

This is exactly why I am no longer a follower of Dr Ken Berry. He has so much BS I don't have enough time to shovel all of it into the manure spreader.

[@venetianlucifer]

Exactly!

[@TropicalHonduranDominican]

Quaker is not the only oatmeal brand

[@venetianlucifer]

Coca Cola sells water therefore water is bad for you.

[@jasonito23]

To think that people who lived in hot climates didn´t eat fruits and vegetables is crazy. People in Mexico were literally called People of the Corn.

[@paulachristie7807]

Excellent point. I’ve spent extended time in Mexico and at least currently I think they eat more fruit than we do in the US. Go to the beach in Mexico and you’ll see fruit sellers walking the beach. Go to the beach in the US and you’re likely to see vendors selling ice cream and frozen candy bars.

[@justaname999]

I am a statistician not an anthropologist but I work with people who research human migrations in prehistory with a focus on the Americas and some groups focus on nutrition, life style adaptations and climate in particular. From this perspective, his point of "cows eat grass" is really really off on so many levels and betrays a level of lack of understanding. And Dr. Berry does present it as a "gotcha" argument, which baffles me. 1. Cows did not colonize the whole damn world by self-adapting to different climates and environments. If cows live in highly varied environments it's usually because their humans adapt them. Several species of human apes did colonize very large portions of the earth in varied climate conditions because we do not just "eat grass" or just "eat meat". 2. What are we measuring as beneficial nutrition? We measure outcomes for cows differently than we do for humans, for one, and that's just one of the issues with this argument. 3. when we look at paleo-anthropological evidence, that tells us very little about the "perfect" human diet. Eating to survive is far from eating to be your healthiest self!! Anyone who has been through a famine and lived to tell about it can attest to that. When people ate gras seeds to survive they were not leaving evidence for the best diet but evidence for the fact that humans can adapt to the situation as best they can. 4. The most important argument from the "evolutionary model" perspective: I feel like the paleo argumentation usually misses the causality entry point into the cycle. Animals (like cows, again...) often adapt physiology to fit the environmental conditions. In simplest terms, giraffes have long necks to reach tall greens; or elephants on Malta who are related to the straight tusked elephants of the European mainland but decreased in size dramatically due to insular dwarfism. Cows have the microbes in their guts to eat grass because they adapted to their environment. The fact that humans could clearly adapt to an unbelievable range of environments in lightning speed time should maybe clue some people in a bit to the fact that the comparison might be off a bit.

[@JohnSmith-zy1ur]

❤

[@Hanover-ek4jy]

Dr Berry has been disciplined numerous times by the Tennessee medical board.

[@anathardayaldar]

I stopped watching his videos years ago after yet one more sounded off.

[@carnismiscancer2108]

He should be in prison for reusing medical equipment and potentially spreading HIV to his patients.

[@robert111k]

Yeah. Galileo Galilei was put to prison by his peers.

[@bobbell6485]

Elevate this comment!

[@RobertPickeringBucketList69]

So maybe he's right!

[@wallycola5653]

Dr Gil gives many of the people he responds to waaaaay too much credit when he goes in with the assumption that they are arguing in good faith. Dr Ken is on KZbin to sell a narrative that is profitable to him, not to give evidence-based advice

[@jeffj318]

Boom! 💥 You hit the nail on the head. He is making money and increasing his net worth. I'm a former follower and carnivore who sought out the truth and now have returned to whole foods plant-based eating and my health is better for it.

[@NewEnglandInSeattle]

You're a saint for doing this. Ken Berry reminds me of the saying, "Be open-minded. But not so open-minded that your brains fall out." Oats were poor people food. So what? Lobster used to be poor people food at one time. This guy.

[@allein1001]

Because poor people ate more of something it means it's unhealthy? Is that his argument (I haven't watched the video yet; just came to look at comments)? Refined white bread used to be rich people food; the poor people would have had more whole grains in their lowly brown bread.

[@jeffj318]

This is why I stopped carnivore eating and returned to whole foods plant-based. My health is better, my constipation went away and my lipid panel actually looks better.

[@dragan176]

​@@allein1001 Great point!

[@traceybell3673]

Yes, I think the rich in the past were just choosing foods that they liked or that had status.

[@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x]

@@traceybell3673 Or what was cheap and available. Like in a 18th century prison you had to eat your lobster with with some side dish or starve... If you was a gladiator in the Roman Empire, you ate your ostrich drums and elephant and camel meat stew.

[@RC-rk2xs]

Debating with Ken Berry is like a physicist debating a flat earther.... 6 min in and this guy can't stop blurting bull crp.

[@WFPB_4_Life]

👏👏👏👏

[@gula_rata]

Excellent discussion. I appreciate Dr. Berry's sincere concern and hard work in this matter, but i've been a regular morning oatmeal eater for several years and have none of the metabolic issues that he speaks of. I will continue to eat oats, with extra nuts, berries, bananas, dates, chiaseeds, coconuts, flaxseeds, cinnamon, cloves and cardamom.

[@jeffj318]

Boom! 💥 You got that right.

[@mikafoxx2717]

My great grandma's been eating oats since before WWII and her 92nd birthday is up and coming in a few weeks. I'll take it from her and stick to it.

[@tanyasydney2235]

Same here.

[@taniaallan5702]

I’m eating a big bowl of this right now! Yum! Exactly as you describe, minus the cloves 😊

[@AMANSINGH-tb6pj]

"Dr" berry has an agenda, not concerns.

[@CandaceFlynn-Boyle]

I respect Berry doing this even though it wasn't going to be easy for him, but he digs himself into a hole when he dismisses every study even though it's obvious he hasn't read them. This isn't how scientists should think? I´d respect him more if he just said "ok I haven't seen any of that maybe I´m wrong"

[@mikeywallis4085]

If he was the kind of person to do that he wouldn't do what he does on KZbin to begin with lol.

[@alexsmith-gn4tp]

​@@mikeywallis4085❤🇬🇧

[@alexsmith-gn4tp]

❤🇬🇧

[@st3ppenwolf]

MDs are not trained to be scientists.

[@ToddRerie]

exactly this

[@darjokturr]

I know people who eat a bowl of oats every morning. They are the healthiest people I know.

[@mikafoxx2717]

My great grandma's turning 92 this month, that checks out. She still lives alone and can drive.

[@cokeiceeeee]

i eat overnight oats every morning with fruit and honey for the past 3 months. loss 25 lbs. no other changes.

[@sambasedsamurai9338]

It's not smart to idolize people when you want to avoid appealing to authority, but you, Gil, are a hero when it come to eudcating people on nutrition.

[@bs6938]

I was eating oatmeal when this came through. Timings everything!

[@Benjaminimize]

Me too. Jumbo overnight oats with chia seeds and fruit. Delicious 😀

[@jeffj318]

​@@BenjaminimizeThis is the way to do it.

[@daysoftheboo]

I'm about to eat my oatmeal too while listening to this in the background

[@vaclavblazek]

Just mixed oats with kefir, letting it ferment overnight on the counter. In the morning, I’m gonna mix in a banana and let the batter go over a pan to get nice oats-banana pancakes 😋

[@stanefferding]

My head hurts. I have a 6 year old that makes better arguments than Ken Berry. You have the patience of a saint Gil.

[@michaelpark9728]

I watched this while eating my steel cut oatmeal with chia, flax, quinoa and fruit before going on a long mountain run…. So many face palms watching this

[@BobSmith-fx9sz]

That food combo right there is one of my favourites. 😋

[@KsazDFW]

@@michaelpark9728 my large breakfast bowl includes…. oats, flax, chia, wheat germ, mixed berries, cinnamon, pea protein, walnuts and almond milk.

[@metalWarriorCZ]

This was little painful to watch ... Berry is so biased. But I am grateful to have had the opportunity to witness the discussion. Thank you.

[@NoExitLoveNow]

It is good to be biased when you have the facts on your side, but Berry is dumb and dishonest.

[@falsificationism]

It sounds like you didn't find the "but rich people 4,000 years ago wouldn't have eaten oats" argument very persuasive. Shame on you for not following the science.

[@KsazDFW]

@@metalWarriorCZ more than a little painful to watch…

[@thomashugus5686]

We have always eaten plants! They don’t run as fast as animals 😊and they are easy to “sneak” up on

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

Wait... So you're telling me hunter gatherers... Gathered? Not just hunt?

[@jeffj318]

This is so true and a very humorous comment. Kudos to you.🎉

[@AMANSINGH-tb6pj]

​@@Ryan-wx1bi lol 😆

[@doernerrr]

Plus, plants don't bite back. Pretty hard to find an Urgent Care 4,000 years ago.

[@SamuelHartt]

I always find it fascinating how one displays authority in medicine. I see Dr. Berry hanging stethoscopes in his office, displaying his degrees and signing into the zoom meeting with MD. Gil, who I would argue has more credentialed experience around nutritional research doesn’t highlight any of that. My fiancée is a provider and I notice that whenever I ask her a question about medicine, she’ll always say “I’ll look that up to confirm” or “that’s out of my scope or discipline.” I really wish Dr. Berry would be more interested in looking into experts around research, instead of relying on credentials and patient experience alone. This was a great exploration in the difference between ideology and data.

[@teri2466]

Eating Big Macs is better than starvation. 😂 I studied anthropology and what people have eaten IS fascinating. But imo, it's next to meaningless. Good science is what matters, so thank you, Dr. Gil.

[@bitslammer]

I've yet to see a single keto/carnivore proponent on KZbin that wasn't at least a little bit emotionally invested in that diet/lifestyle and also hung up on the ancestor/historical aspect of human diet while not have any real research or data behind that assertion. For now I'm sticking with the "don't eat too much of one thing and don't eat too much" approach.

[@thomasullmann7447]

I agree, its only suggestive and theres plenty of evidence to suggest humans have eaten a very broad diet compared to other animals who do eat mainly meat. That said, I think there is no fixed diet, not only for all individuals, but at all points in time. It could, for example, be with dealing with the effects of anti-biotics that one may need to eat a low carbohydrate diet to reduce digestive issues, following by the reintroduction of a broader diet. Blood and tissue groups may also play a role. All the food we eat works together, both positively and negatively, this is why its so difficult to study given the interplay. We arer years away from have a conclusive picture as to the ideal diet for each individual at each point in time.

[@LVArturs]

I think the glycation argument is valid, at least in either diseased states or advanced biohacking optimization.

[@carvedwood1953]

yeah and even their ancestral logic is flawed every single time.

[@anathardayaldar]

"don't eat too much of one thing and don't eat too much" This is going to be my new mantra. Along side: ""It is by Caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Java that: My thoughts acquire speed My hands acquire shakes The shakes become a warning. It is by Caffeine alone I set my mind in motion."" - @williambishop2384

[@Dan16673]

what I have yet to hear is a very clear reason why would should give a shit what we ate in the past.

[@o.b.v.i.u.s]

I'm gonna watch this video every day (when I have my oats).

[@screaminjesus]

this guy is the Dunning-Kruger effect personified

[@bojohannesen4352]

@@screaminjesus I disagree. This is not unconscious incompetence. It's willfull misinformation or downright delusions.

[@WholeCosmos]

This is why I love Gil and raise an eyebrow at people like Ken who ignore ALL the data and call all nutrition science BS. ALL? it is laughable. great job keeping it amicable.

[@tullochgorum6323]

Glasgow University, working with Prof Taylor at Newcastle University, conducted a diet study that involves oat porridge every morning. They achieved breakthrough results in reversing Type II diabetes. The results have been replicated in multiple European studies, and in the UK the programme is being rolled out nationally. As for these low carb keto doctors, they always ignore the indisputable fact that literally all the healthiest communities in the world as identified by the Blue Zones consume a high starch, plant-based diet with zero or low animal foods. They start with a preconception that meat the the foundation of a healthy diet, and then cherry pick the evidence to fit their bias.

[@jussi3378]

Blue zones are a complete myth. It was poor recordkeeping and pension fraud. Pretty recently debunked, not that it had much validity even before

[@jeffj318]

Boom! 👊 You got that right.

[@rosssundberg5510]

The blue zones have been show to be nothing like that more recently. For one, Sardinian’s have very high levels of c15 which is found in sat fat. Lots of pension fraud too, so people not actually living as long as they thought.

[@TheToberman1]

Dr Gil interviewed him - amazing discussion.

[@tanyasydney2235]

Couldn't stomach watching this. Went straight to the summary.

[@WFPB_4_Life]

💯

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

I wish I did the same...😮‍💨

[@thomashugus5686]

Let Dr Gil finish a thought !!😮

[@johnrod7180]

Here is what just happened: Gil stood on firmer ground. He did not waver. He spoke of science-studies, trials, data. Ken? He pushed aside the studies. Called them unreliable. Leaned on what he had seen in his patients, on mechanisms that made sense in his head but had no proof to back them up. Gil knew oatmeal could spike glucose. Exercise does the same, but no one says exercise is bad. Ken was worried. But he had no studies, no trials, only what he’d seen, a handful of cases that didn’t line up with what the broader science showed. On glycated hemoglobin, Gil was clear. Oatmeal didn’t make it worse, citing trial after trial, even for diabetics, and the numbers didn’t lie. Ken? He had nothing but his gut. Blood pressure was the same story. Gil had the numbers. Ken? He thought it would raise pressure. But he hadn’t seen a single study to back it up. Gil wasn’t blind to the flaws in nutrition science. But still, he relied on the best we had: randomized controlled trials, meta-analyses. Ken doubted it all, said the field was biased, but offered little more than doubt. Eat your oatmeal.

[@nichtsistkostenlos6565]

I don't eat oatmeal because I frankly don't really like it that much, but this exchange made me want to start.

[@tomedwards1879]

Gil, you were so polite with Dr Berry. The problem is you are dealing with a flat earther, who doesn’t believe in the science.

[@drbachimanchi]

As an endocrinologist Some points to ponder are... Glycemic load Gastric emptying variations Innate Insulin resistance(decided genetically at birth) Acquired Insulin resistance...inflammation drugs obesity exercise etc Are critical determinants of variations in dietary carbohydrate response. Try to maintain least weight with maximum possible lean mass and vo2 with whatever food you like....my advise to my patients. Personally i am ethical vegan.

[@jacksonthomas3775]

Gluten free steel cut oats and agree quality and quantity more important.

[@redreuben5260]

Traditional oats is one of the few breakfast products that fits the category of cereal. 99% are either biscuits or confectionery.

[@alfonso365]

Went straight to the takeaways because I don't want Dr Dingleberry to ruin my monday.

[@siposz]

Lol yes. Thanks for the idea.

[@WFPB_4_Life]

💯

[@bojohannesen4352]

@@alfonso365 Now I'm thinking about dingleberries 🤢

[@herbevans2727]

Ditto.

[@paulstevens1493]

I bet Dr. Berry would suddenly love any diet study that actually supported his hypothesis, if they existed

[@marcjacobson757]

As someone who used to watch Dr. Berry's content and was swayed by Dr. Gil's content away from social media dogma and towards actual science and evidence, I won't watch this. There is nothing Dr. Berry has to say that is of value to me.

[@WFPB_4_Life]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@jeffreyjohnson7359]

@@marcjacobson757 I have a similar story, but I'll watch it.

[@yogiyoda]

We need a TLDR video. Can't stomach an hour and a half of Ken Berry :(

[@privtprofile24]

Yeah sign me up for the TLDR too, he keeps interrupting and I am like 15 minutes in.

[@Velex777]

Timestamps are your Friend ;)

[@darthsmokester4759]

@@yogiyoda oats are fine. Like and subscribe

[@leeduli]

"ooga booga - ancestors ate meat. Meat good. oats bad" pretty much his entire worldview

[@adamrisch]

TLDR carnivore dIet-promoting grifter ignores scientific evidence while Gil patiently and as kindly as possible explains to him why he's wrong.

[@hugomarquez3189]

So if we are gonna go by anecdote, I’ve been eating oats every day (I have the same breakfast every day), and I add oatmilk to my coffee to top it off. Been doing this for about 5 years now, nothing has happened to me, I’m as healthy as I’ve ever been.

[@SALVATl0N]

Believing oatmeal raises blood pressure is a wild thing to believe. A personal bias I have, is when someone has one way out there opinion, I have a hard time believing anything they say. If you think that Earth is flat, I have a hard time taking advice from you in financial matters. This of course is my own personal bias, which I must recognize. And I will try to give his other opinions the weight that they deserve.

[@dragan176]

Careful with that bias. Look up the "Nobel Disease"

[@chrislee3832]

Ask a pilot if the Earth has curvature. Wake up..

[@mrmacguffin6886]

What do you mean the Earth is not flat? What's next, gonna tell me that Earth is not rulled by a lizard/vampire/alien hybrid? Don't make me laugh, it's gonna make my tinfoil hat fall off. Can't let those 5G waves get into my brain and give me COVID...

[@jeffj318]

No need to give his opinion any thought. He is just full of BS. I am a former carnivore of 18 months and I speak the truth. I return to whole foods plant-based and my health has never been better and my LDL is not 200.

[@cypriano8763]

One someone shows their an idiot its hard to take them seriously, thats for sure

[@sonja4164]

I appreciate the way you conducted this conversation Dr Gil.

[@elmolewis9123]

I've only been in 10 minutes but.. Dr. Berry spoke of the Iron Age never eating oats. They also had a life expectancy of 24 years. And cows must eat grass because they have studied that for "millions" of years. The study of carnivore diets isn't quite there yet. This is the video I've been waiting for.

[@rosssundberg5510]

They didn’t have a life expectancy of 24 years if they made it past infancy.

[@Dan16673]

right. why cares what people ate before. what are people eating right now who live to 100 constantly?

[@b9eda9ad]

Well, certainly they can eat grass but some leafs maybe could be better ? They eat leafs in Colombia now since grass is not best on slopes that can be washed out. And they seem to be liking it. Maybe we should do a long term clinical trial to see if leaves are better, also they can be eaten by wolves on a plain so maybe mix of grass and leafs would be better for them ?

[@TheronHayes-g9z]

I don’t agree with the whole paradigm of what did our ancestors eat. Our ancestors also died at 30years old. What does the science of dietary longevity suggest? That is what matters

[@TasteOfButterflies]

The evolutionary advantages of living long past reproductive age are pretty modest. That is itself a reason not to put too much trust in ancestral diets: evolution literally doesn't care if you live to be 66 or 96.

[@DIABETESHEALTHS]

Agreed.

[@jonathonpotts5666]

perhaps they got eaten by a leopard because they were too busy fiddling with there continuous blood glucose monitor?

[@Jeff-iz9hn]

Our ancestors did not die at 30. On average they lived as long as we do today. Childhood deaths make the average age much lower. Women and babies died at a much higher rate.

[@KsazDFW]

@@TheronHayes-g9z our ancestors also lived in caves…

[@Joseph1NJ]

Whenever I hear the term "human diet" my bullshit meter goes off.

[@clen9870]

I went to hospital 14 months ago and had very high blood pressure. I changed my lifestyle, and I have lost weight since, and I still have much more to lose. I started eating oats every day about 12 months ago, and on my last visit to the doctor two weeks ago, he said my BP was perfect.

[@antiquelady60]

Congratulations!

[@anathardayaldar]

Last time I was this early, I was fatter.

[@DIABETESHEALTHS]

Thanks Gill for coming to defend the science.

[@bobbybecker80]

This is an instance where the comments are more interesting than the content. Mr Berry is a hoot as a scientist.

[@racking4507]

I haven't even watched it yet and can't thank you enough for doing this. I've been waiting for this a long time. As far as I've seen all Dr. Berry does is go before "friendly" audiences, or his own channel of course, so it is good that someone is finally going to evaluate his claims.

[@st3ppenwolf]

Your guest speaks categorically and without nuance because I think he knows that produces clicks. That video was clickbait IMHO, no study out there shows "categorically" that oats are worse than many other sources of carbs.

[@privtprofile24]

Thats his whole shtick, he just says things that are very controversial. He know exactly what he is doing. Big time grifter.

[@jennymccann8646]

I had a bowl of slow cook, sprouted oatmeal yesterday morning for the first time in a long time. It was great and I was full for hours.

[@Joseph1NJ]

I had always wanted to eat oatmeal because I read of the several health benefits, but never had the time. About 15 years ago I wanted to add more protein to my diet and found people were adding oatmeal to their smoothie, so I thought I'd try it. It was pretty simple; 1/2 cup quick oats, banana, protein powder, frozen blueberries, water. In 6 months my cholesterol fell 20 points, which was more than 10%. My GP said he has patients on statins that haven't done that well. I said, "You should prescribe oatmeal."

[@ToddRerie]

Gil gave the best response to "funding tho" I've ever heard (he brings up trials where the funding is stacked AGAINST the oats) and it's still not enough for Berry, not sure he's open to anything that goes against his beliefs

[@jeffj318]

You are absolutely correct. Dr Ken Berry and his lemmings, of which I used to be one, believe oats actually are harmful to you. I called BS.

[@venetianlucifer]

He's not.

[@carbondory]

It was a great rebuttal. The timestamp is 1:15:30 for any interested.

[@mostradamus108]

Dr. Ken Berry would be a perfect guest on JRE 😂😂😂 With that being said, I’ve lost a few pounds these past few weeks when I’ve included steel cut oatmeal with my vegetarian diet (avoiding takeout food) and 4-5 days of brisk walks of 30+ minutes. It’s working for my intended goal, I think I’ll keep it up.

[@alansnyder8448]

I appreciate that Dr. Berry was willing to come on to the video and that Gil conducted it. It gives me an inside peek and Dr. Berry's thought process, but makes me even more trusting of Gil's videos. BTW. I was never a follower of Dr. Berry's advice, but see his videos a lot, and it would normally just add the the confusion if I gave it more weight.

[@kouritasvonkafthor468]

A debate is productive when the participants in it are interested in truths and are not tambourine behind inflexible positions. However, beyond the general researches and their results, a clinical approach is needed for each person and, in addition, personal experience. This discussion is in good context and has been productive

[@veganpundit1]

For someone that’s a low/no carb pundit, Berry certainly waffles a lot. 🤷‍♂️ 💚🐾✊🍀🌏✌️💚

[@two4.six8]

I am sitting here eating my morning oatmeal when this hit my feed....

[@Kaztrofy]

ok?

[@JohnSmith-zy1ur]

No part 2 please. Your summary was useful.

[@Cybernurse2020]

I'd been enjoying steel cut oats for many years (no sweetener, no fruit, walnuts only) , but I'm VERY GLAD I checked my response via CGM. It spiked my blood sugar very high , and I don't eat it anymore. (Now I'm 100% grain-free.) Thanks for the excellent review and conversation.

[@JohnSmith-zy1ur]

Thank you for sharing

[@jamesc5227]

Steel cut oats perturbs my cgm readings as well.

[@taniaallan5702]

I’m eating a large bowl of oatmeal right now…maybe I should watch later 😂

[@tanyasydney2235]

LOL

[@Raherin]

Why does he assume everyone is eating QUACKER oats? With all the added stuff.. some people eat whole oats, which I think changes things a lot.

[@talk9415]

At least Dr. Ken Berry agreed to talk... I'm still waiting for responce from "Dr" (not really) Ekberg... I used to listen to this guy, so frustrating

[@loganwolv3393]

I swear i never saw this coming. I expected a debunk, but not an interview, and i am pleasantly suprised too.

[@bribradt3450]

Ken tries so hard to avoid hearing about the actual science

[@jeffj318]

"Doctor, doctor tell me the news. I got a bad case of loving you." This was not like you, doctor, to go so long for an interview especially with Dr Ken Berry. I actually skimmed the chapters and went directly to summary and take away. Please do not do part two. I think most of us know eating oats is good for you and is not a superfood but should be part of your eating plan. I ate the carnivore way of eating for 18 months. During that time, I was a devotee of Dr Ken Berry and watched as many of his videos as I could. I stopped eating my overnight oats or any kind of oats based upon his presumptions and my ignorance. I found you, Dr Thomas Dayspring, Simon Hill and a superb Reddit group cholesterol. On carnivore, my LDL was 200. That alarmed me, but I was told by Dr Ken Berry in fact that was fine as long as my HDL and triglycerides were good. I returned to my whole foods plant-based way of eating, took a low dose statin, did the opposite of carnivore and ate a low saturated fat and high fiber and voila by LDL is now 46. My triglycerides actually became lower eating WFPB. Dr Berry has a niche following of lemmings who are willing to jump off the cliff for him. I scrambled back up the cliff to a better way of life and healthy eating. Carnivore is BS.

[@mikafoxx2717]

Couldn't say it better myself. It might be better than whatever junk food the average fat person is putting in their mouth, but that's like comparing house arrest to jail. Eat food your great grandma would call healthy, and it's probably not too far off. Or listen to the real science. I eat some leaner meats and low-fat dairy sometimes but get a lot of proteins from legumes. Building muscle and health with a lot of whole foods plants with some less perfect stuff sprinkled in, but still low saturated fat and added sugar and such.

[@iamkerenlouise]

Profound testimony--thank you Sir!

[@evaw3421]

I have never heard dr Berry like this. Suddenly things are more relative. Thank you Gil. :) I have been vegan for 30 years this year and I have eaten so much oats that I should be half dead by now but my blood works are great. Except for iron levels, but I had that as a kid too when I ate meat. In Sweden where I live we have Blutsaft though, really good vegan drink for elevating iron levels so I'm okey as long as I stick to that regularly.

[@beermilkshake]

29:35 - classic ‘Call to Authority” move

[@isabellezablocki7447]

Listening to this video as I am eating steel cut oatmeal for breakfast. Perfect to lower my cholesterol.

[@Dan-dg9pi]

I'm glad Berry never attempted to put words in Gil's mouth.

[@69camaro19]

Love me some oatmeal cookies.

[@ChrisL-d4c]

Ken Berry is a quack. I have been eating oatmeal, with walnut and blueberries and flax meal, almost every day for the lat 30 years, zero issues.

[@stevencats7137]

How do u not get sick of it I have been doing that for about 5 and every time I hate it lol

[@neonwater5892]

He’s not here for a productive conversation. It sounds like you are talking to a broken record spewing nonsense meat industry propaganda out of his mouth.

[@ma271]

Good to see a platform in which parties of different thoughts can discourse

[@jschreiber6461]

Professor Tim Spector over in England demonstrated that porridge oats DID spike blood sugar in many people, including the professor, but not all, as part of the ZOE study. The British Professor’s advice was to use a CGM for a couple of weeks to see how YOU individually will respond to porridge oats, ie, does your blood glucose spike or not based on your metabolic status and genetics. The soluble fibre in oats (beta glycan?) is often hugely helpful in relieving colon problems so between bowel regularity and CGM data should help decide if it’s for you.

[@darlenes520]

I do compliment both of you for being brave enough to actually have a conversation and NOT be rude or attack the other. Such an unusual behavior in our current culture 😅

[@andrewthehope]

This is a great discussion! I think in the end it's best to do some trial and error for yourself and see how oatmeal affects your body

[@jeffj318]

This was a BS discussion. Anyone who knows Dr Ken Berry and his watched enough of his videos like I have and also explored all avenues understands oats can be good for you.

[@williamc4221]

I appreciated the respectful conversation. Thanks for the interview.

[@blah163]

I've eaten several bowls of rolled oats every day for the past 20 years. I'm in excellent health and my body weight is ideal.

[@SenzaNome-b9x]

Cows, if they are in a field eating grass all the time, and have the opportunity to go to the next field to pick ripe ears of barley, wheat, etc., don't think twice about gorging themselves on cereals. They appreciate them, it's not true that their instinct dictates that they only eat grass.

[@carinaekstrom1]

Imagine all the hundreds of different herbs and flowers that grow among the grasses anyway.

[@dudleyhardial2273]

Ken Berry is just a grifting troll. I have been eating oatmeal for over 60 years and that is the only evidence I need.

[@BridgeTROLL777]

all of the e-celebrity "carnivore doctors" are hacks. Their approach is massively biased and anti scientific.

[@baby_gogeta_ss]

You are the only person I trust LOVE your channel! ❤❤❤

[@alexleighton89]

This is scary. I mean really scary. A doctor of medicine, who is almost by definition well educated, is presented with rigorous scientific evidence, and simply dismisses it. There is no way to reach this man. He will dismiss all evidence to the contrary with a wave of his hand. In longevity nutrition, the consequences of our decisions take decades to have a result. Its like we have to take a bet on the best approach and hope we're right.

[@scrollop]

That's a polite way of saying "He is wrong." Do you have patience to talk to him again?

[@scottpierce9195]

Thank you both for having an intelligent conversation without demeaning your opponents position. Refreshing.

[@TezTezTezTezTez]

I love my oatmeal with chia seeds and flaxseed mixed in. I think Dr Berry would prefer us to eat a steak for breakfast

[@dustinirwin1]

I love this format! Please keep it up and your professional, methodically rigorous, good-faith approach to these discussions.

[@BMulligans]

It's great to see Gil be so direct to each point. Terrible to see someone like Ken is allowed to practise as a doctor

[@Jeff-iz9hn]

Humans ate what was available.

[@BarryMcDowell-e4k]

this is worse than the Esselstyn interview, this guest isn't even listening. the part on A1c and blood pressure was just painful, Gil is burying him in randomized trials that run counter to his idea and all he can say is "nutrition studies are weak". gime a break. he's shut down to learning anything new

[@jeffj318]

That's what Dr Ken Berry does. He promotes his agenda, builds his followers who are actually lemmings like I used to be and increases his net worth into the millions.

[@Dan16673]

yup. he wants to cult

[@RealJonzuk]

that's awesome that he came on this was a great video thank you Gil and Ken for the chat!

[@Hiker_Mike]

I was HFLC Ketovore for 10 years but my LDL was extremely high, concerns me. So, I've added oats back into my diet, reduced eggs, added green veg's... returning my LDL to a reasonable level. There's two camps for LDL, I don't trust either... I think LDL has potential to be causal for health problems for SOME individuals, don't want to find out the hard way that I'm one of those individuals. There are no reliable simple tests for soft-plaque, it can take a long time for soft-plaque build up to reveal detectable health problems.

[@1s_that_a_j0j0_reference]

Dr. Berry is a believer of the ancestral fallacy. That just because our ancestors did it, its optimal. We evolved to reproduce. Reproduction happens usually before 40. Our ancestors didn’t do what is optimal for old age. That was Dr. Gil’s point. Around 14:40

[@stevenrichardscott1622]

"We were always eating meat/seafood" Yes, but we have also always eaten plants. Meat and its protein is a macronutrient. The primary purpose of macronutrients is to supply calories. We need to eat micro-nutrients to have our body function well and to make, replenish, and repair itself. Micronutrients are phyto (plant) chemicals. This is why we should eat a larger variety of plants, which humans have always done (when they can [in the Arctic, for example, where it is impossible]). Plants also provide fibre. Should one eat lots of whole grains? They contain carbs, a macro-nutrient, and we need calories. Eating too much without micro-nutrients is not good. They do contain fibre, which is also great for gut health. Also, how do oats differ from other whole grains? Are they that much different from them? There is evidence we were eating grains well before farming. The problem is that with farming, they often became a primary source of calories, and plant variety consumption went down.

[@alexsmith-gn4tp]

Absolutely, even in western countries there are still plenty of people who can't afford to eat more healthily ❤️

[@mikafoxx2717]

Oats are literally the healthiest grain there is. You could eat them alone and get enough high quality protein and energy and some fats as well. It's pretty well rounded and a great cheap staple food.

[@gula_rata]

I never heard of Dr. Berry before this, so I went to check his other videos, because I thought perhaps he was legit.. But then I saw his video recommending people eat more hot dogs and bolonga because they are NOT processed foods...💀💀 Yes to packaged hotdogs, but No to organic steel cut oats = Big Red Flag

[@Newmexicobirds]

@101:19, exactly! You hit the nail on the head Gil! Please watch that part Dr Berry, YOU are doing it just as much as other people are!

[@tmoney2261]

Im a "tell me the facts" type of person, and Berry rambling on with his stories really got to me. I think carnivore should be used as a tool find what's causing issues, not a religion.