The Old World Raptors | Monster Hunter Ecology

[@Oceaniz]

[Timestamps, Sources and Notes in this comment] Check out the Phylogenetic Tree used in this video series: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vr0ThfPbrzj87DinYiB-r6P2QFog8oyRDPGy7OlF9wk/edit?usp=sharing TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 01:22 - Overview 04:00 - Veloci 08:09 - Gia 12:58 - Gen 17:22 - Io 22:17 - Outro 23:15 - NEXT TIME ON MHE 23:50 - Patreon Sources: Hunter's Encyclopedia G pgs 56-58, 89, 137 *Canonicity* Everything stated in this video is canon and directly based on the above sources, EXCEPT - All Taxonomic names are fanmade, mostly by yours truly. The structure of the Phylogenetic Tree is based on the latest official phylogeny released by Capcom (The MHRise Book one, as of the time I am writing this) - The exact transition from White Velociprey to Giaprey is only a theory, even in universe. White Velociprey were a rare variation that could be found in the hot seasons in MH2 (and G and Freedom 1! Thanks @mh-united) exclusively. When seasons were removed in MHFU, it was repurposed into the Giaprey. So any biological explanation is inherently just a justification for a change that was mechanically motivated first and foremost. - The Old World Raptors have some of the worst cases of "Lore Only" Ecology. For example, Giaprey packs forming into mega packs, or Ioprey dispersing if the Drome dies are mentioned numerous times, but never seen as in-game behaviors (as far as I am aware). - The exact defining features that differentiate Old and New World Raptors are purely observational - the books say nothing of them.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

You're awesome man!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤

[@Just_a_rathalos151]

Amazing video as always my friend

[@mh-united]

I've got some minor expansions/clarifications: -White Velociprey do make an appearance in the first generation, both in G and Freedom/Portable. -On top of that for Monster Hunter 2, they do actually appear in outside the Warm Season in the Mountains, though you'll need to bait them out by attempting to take Eggs in the Breeding Season. They also appear in the Tower regardless of season. -Strangely, they're not found in the Forest and Hills in Dos, despite the previous two games having them, likely due to their proper ability to shoot ice. -Ioprey do appear in large numbers, alongside Remobra during an Elder Dragon's siege on Dundorma in MH2 (excluding Yama).

[@cokebear1337]

Wow, this troon’s channel has really dropped off in views.

[@bernardorodrigues7048]

Are you going to do this with great izuchi and stuff? Or like the rathalos one with the frontier and so one?

[@Hilversumborn]

They may not be the strongest but seeing how widespread and diverse the raptors are, they are a very successful species.

[@thecod2345]

Honestly, I’m eagerly waiting for a raptor elder dragon or at least a raptor on the level of bazelguese or deviljho.

[@TheNavigator4552]

​@@thecod2345but would the skeleton work for a stronger fight like that?

[@KiotheCloud]

@@TheNavigator4552 i mean In the MHW FF14 crossover there was a huge Kulu that was pretty hard to kill cause of this huge size it was the same size as an Anjanath. It only had 3 new attacks i would imagine and Elder version of that would be able to call Dromes instead which would make the fight more difficult since u have to keep the dromes in check. Basically imagine fighting like a rathalos(with flash immunity) and 3 Gendromes. With the ability to ignore dungbombs. Its gonna be a hard fight but not impossible.

[@TheNavigator4552]

@@KiotheCloud fighting that kulu with a gs solo got me carted so many times...

[@KiotheCloud]

@@TheNavigator4552 yeah so that skeleton would work it just nids a better fight moves

[@97nived]

I always wondered if it would be possible to tame, or at least befriend, Raptor Wyverns with out a Kinship Stone. They're some of the most social out of all the monsters in Monster Hunter, and we could potentially tame them like we did wolves IRL... Plus, we have evidence of at least ONE tame monster (though a juvenile) in the example of Master Hojo's pet Tetsucabra, known for their aggression and loner tendencies if I remember right.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I honestly would love if instead of a palamute in future games we could tame a raptor, it would functionally fill the same purpose.

[@LeoTheYuty]

@@thenerdbeast7375 I just want MH6 to have taming monsters (maybe from collecting egg missions), and your tamed monsters would randomly appear in the locale and help out in hunts for a little bit (tracking and starting turf wars, etc) before leaving. Or, at least, being able to use specific monsters you've captured in the arena, with all the parts you broke off before included.

[@notTLWO]

And that Pukei-Pukei from the MHW Witcher crossover.

[@makmakg242]

It is possible, and its called Raider Rider in Monster Hunter World. If it can work on Jagrae and Girroe, then sure it will work for Velocipreys

[@97nived]

That was more of your Palico learning the "language" of the monsters and asking for some "help"... not exactly the same thing as taming, though I understand the point you're trying to make. @@makmakg242

[@zaubergurke5468]

"As the crest grows, you feel power coursing through you. AUTHORITY."

[@vicvik5305]

20:00 "this move is reserved for when it is sure to hit" That ioprey in the back ground: don't tell me what to do

[@deino5594]

Bro didn’t have to go so hard on the eating alive bit. Like damn I was not expecting that. You can flip on a dime from cool information to holy shit that is horrifying and I love it. Keep up the great work I can’t wait for more.

[@wolfrein2020]

Oceaniz, if you read this, I hope you know that the amount of effort you put into these videos never goes unappreciated. From all the editing you put into these videos, to the ecological research needed to make these assessments, to even the smaller details like the inclusions of chapters and closed captioning. Everything you do in making these videos is incredibly appreciated, and it helps me to enjoy the biology of these creatures that much more. I have no idea how you manage to produce such high-quality videos as frequently as you do, but I can assure you that we all love it.

[@tlsoruka]

Really love this ecology content. Keep it up.

[@purpleenthusiast5814]

Can't fucking believe you've made me kinda afraid of Genprey/drome now. Amazing work as always!

[@SleepNpizza]

I honestly hope this man gets the recognition he deserves

[@edwarddanza5468]

I definitely love these Ecology Videos. I really do appeciate the Old Raptors and wish they could get the Gen 5 treatment but oh well. I makes sense since Velocidrome is very weak game wise and would just be a useless spot. Unironically Khezu is very exciting to see next. He is one of my favorite monsters just because of how unsettling he is, and most people dont appeciate that. Also his theme slaps

[@thenerdbeast7375]

The raptors, both these guys and the dog wyverns, are my absolute favorite monsters in the game. They are just "little" guys, underdogs who welcome new hunters to the game and I feel sorry for them when apexes like Rathalos kick their butt.

[@JanusHoW]

I love your statement about Bird Wyverns being falsely believed as always being at the bottom of the food chain, but we seriously need an apex-level, or even elder-level Bird Wyvern. I know Nightcloak Malfestio is probably an elder-level threat (after all, it can literally turn invisible at will, an ability only shared by Lucent Nargacuga and Chameleos), but it's a Deviant, not its own species. If the Neopterons can get a final boss in their number, then so should the Bird Wyverns. My thought is that would probably be something akin to a gigantic phoenix - something like a souped-up version of the Hellbill, a type of Rare Endemic Life from Rise. Give it the ability to rain blazing feathers down upon the land as it flies, and even use them as ranged weapons akin to the remote-controlled "bits" and "funnels" from the various Gundam franchises. Heck, make it multi-elemental like Alatreon! That said, great video. Makes me appreciate these early-game beasties all the more. Edit: Also, it's easy to dismiss these guys as weaklings, but probably even a single Velociprey would have no trouble killing a family of unarmed civilians with ease. It's only Hunters that can really stand against them easily.

[@Rajang6]

Elder Level Deinocheirus bird wyvern would go pretty hard

[@Hilversumborn]

I would love to see a bird wyvern based on Roc

[@Oceaniz]

We neeeeeeeed a strong bird wyvern for sure. Yian Garuga is meant to be that but it falls flat for me because it feels like Kut-Ku on Steroids. An original design for a powerhouse bird would be a great addition for sure

[@Orangelp_LP]

​@@OceanizThey could give us Toridcless from the Frontier-Series.

[@JanusHoW]

@@Orangelp_LP That's a great idea. It definitely seems like an apex-level Bird Wyvern, plus it has that semi-fantastical ability to convert sunlight into lightning. But if we want an elder level one, I still stand by my "guided feather-shooting elemental phoenix" monster.

[@darthnius809]

Your videos have unironically converted me into a old world raptor believer, even though I have played literally zero games with them. The gen part was actually peak. Let's fucking go, it's khezu time. Frog/10

[@Just_a_rathalos151]

Jaggi episode when?

[@mosapunk]

My man's asking the real questions.

[@mudshrooze]

How about holy shit another great video thankyou

[@Just_a_rathalos151]

@@mudshrooze can't i be comical for once?

[@gonzalo600]

Great maccao video when?

[@alligatoreamericano3520]

Not anytime soon i fear. He's going through all Monsters of every generation in chronological order. Considering he posts those video roughly every two weeks it's gonna take a lot of time before he gets to third gen

[@epicazeroth]

Wouldn't the Veloci-Gia transition be the other way around? Some Veloci moved into the mountains, where the mutation became selected for due to highly increasing their fitness? Also if it helps, Gen venom would likely cause the victim to asphyxiate long before they bled out.

[@maybelater1464]

I love the way they hop around, it's so cute

[@chiefbawor_thegr8966]

That Genprey section is terrifying fr fr

[@mattg6106]

8:34 We actually do see animals in the real world that are born with little to no pigmentation but aren't albinos. Unlike albinism, which is the lack of pigmentation due to melanin deficiency, leucism is a lack/reduction of all pigmentation but doesn't always affect the pigmentation of the eyes. Leucistic reptiles tend to be more of a 'pure' white than albino reptiles. Many also have blue eyes instead of pink or red eyes.

[@Dres2000]

Oooo, I love how you’re put in MH frontier’s soundtrack in your videos

[@Remingtown]

I just got into MH a month ago and I'm in love with this content. Thank you!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Really loving this ecology content! Keep it up!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤

[@CheeseSauceFries-u5f]

Love your content man, been having sleeping problems, jusy listening to your videos makes me calm. Thanks for that!

[@bruisebruise1341]

An amazing video as always! Whenever you release a new video I get excited because of how well put together they are, you do a good job!

[@BoneReaperLagiallosaurus]

ITS RAPTOR TIME BOIS!

[@christopherbronson3275]

No notification that you posted, but better late than never and within the first 24 hours! Another documentary ftw

[@justarandomguy337]

I was today years old when I learned that it's Ioprey and not Loprey

[@sameldarwich2490]

Damn the gen are kinda scary there venom and eating you alive just makes them scary

[@Noxious_chemicals]

Learning about MH ecology is always a treat 😄

[@matthalasz]

So excited for this 🤍

[@jakubtrapp3509]

can someone tell me the diffrence between drome and prey beacause only diffrence i see is that drome is bigger and nothing else

[@Oceaniz]

bigger, more elaborate crests, more powerful attacks. think regular gorillas vs silverbacks

[@jakubtrapp3509]

@@Oceaniz oh thanks i never realy understood the diffrence beetween drome and prey beacause for me its the same but bigger

[@regularbricksstudios1109]

I think originally the dromes were simply slightly larger than the preys, with their main feature being the physical attributes that distinguished them But ever since MH 4 their size was increased to match those of the dog wyverns

[@Oceaniz]

@@regularbricksstudios1109 more than just slightly larger, Im playing MH1 in free time these days and lemme tell you Velocidrome is CHUNKY

[@jakubtrapp3509]

@@regularbricksstudios1109 i am sorry DOG WYVERN'S? like what lunagaron and zinogre

[@vincentpey3929]

Id love to see an apex tier raptor monster for once, something akin to what Goss Harag was for the bears or Rajang for the Monkeys.

[@XTheBossAruX]

But how would they make it look cooler without being edgey

[@evanzebrowski7213]

We need a the dog wyvern raptors covered now. Also we need turf wars between the Dromes and the Greats

[@Narrgux]

This is so good. Keep up the great work!

[@FarradMuseumofTruth]

Bird wyverns are like Leopards. Very adaptable and the most widespread. Love you Gypceros

[@Yostopn6i]

16:20Yay now everybody can experience the bunny scene from RE zero

[@Astrologius]

Really good video, looking forward to the khezu video

[@hiddenscorpiusXI]

Ok, I'm seeing a strange visual glitch at the end of the infocards (4:40, for example): The edges blur and some parts of the image become de-saturated. IDK if it's the video or something on my end, but I thought I should point it out.

[@Oceaniz]

Not just you, KZbin REALLY doesnt like the infocard style with the particles, the bitrate glitches out a lot Might need to change the look ugh...

[@hiddenscorpiusXI]

@@Oceaniz Well, that's Popo-doodoo. Hope you find a satisfying solution. Excellent video as always.

[@kingzein7384]

This man is cooking really hard right now

[@cloudwyrms9752]

Genprey are the African wild dogs of monster hunter, got it (and gog said “make it venomous for good measure”)

[@velconx15]

I swear to Jah, KZbin didn't send me a notification even though I rang the bell 5 months ago

[@yuukami8360]

Next one's Khezu, huh? That White Abomination that lurks in darkness I still feel creeped out by it despite me being able to kill it easily Just wish I don't get stunned

[@Ryodraco]

16:30 maybe I'm nitpicking, but it seems like even large prey would die within a few minutes from blood loss if a pack was actively ripping into it to feed. Killing by eating is a fairly common way predators end up dispatching prey, as many lack the means to readily kill it first.

[@alderwield9636]

another awesome and banger video, but bro obviously didnt have to call me out on "bullied and humiliated by their superior"

[@_lost_paradise5089]

DROME LORE

[@flyfreemeru]

i will never play this game, but i am still watching

[@greninjazac4577]

Y’all be calling bird wyverns skittish up until being face to face with a Toridcless that just got done charging its body with some sun bathing

[@anton6495]

i think everyone had a moment where those green mf stunned you in front of a big boy and then getting carted because of it

[@Johna-cv9gu]

Your voice reminds me of The Primogen (World of Darkness youtuber)

[@MrGamerofmusic]

In the ecological measuring contest. It’s not how deadly it is. Compared to the big game. It’s how YOU measure up to them. After all, you rely on THEIR hides to hunt

[@Nikolai08478]

Great, were the noises at the Genprey/drome necessery?

[@Masterofhammers]

Favorite raptor like wyvern? Great Maccao for me

[@Vaal_Hazak]

Amazing Video❤

[@sleepyartist5580]

So for the next episode, would it focus solely on Khezu or would it also include Gigginox?

[@AngelPerez-tu1nk]

I respect them in a way because they are the first enemies you really face (I started with tri so my first were the Jaggi) but still... I have never been able to take these chickens seriously xD.

[@foxy927blades6]

Fatalis episode when

[@FenrrixV1]

What about new world rators?

[@supertrooper0264]

Are the footage from MHFU or another Monster Hunter entry? If it's the latter, which entry is it?

[@Oceaniz]

MHFU, MH4U and MHGU!

[@supertrooper0264]

@@Oceaniz thanks men! Love your content! Keep doing it if you so please, I'll be among your loyal watchers

[@freddoesvox9033]

Will there be a follow up to your frontier video?

[@Oceaniz]

maybe, just havent had time to play frontier lately lol

[@freddoesvox9033]

@@Oceaniz ah ok

[@happybeangamer8903]

Which game is thr ioprey bit

[@dannywolfpero]

When lynians?

[@norascarletempress]

A little detail about Io, they are the less cooperative between prey and drome of the family. That's because Iodrome live in a constant paranoia of backstabbing, and with reason, because if the prey sense some weakness in the drome, they will canibalize it.

[@purpleenthusiast5814]

not that i dont believe you or anything, but source?

[@norascarletempress]

Is referenced in various games, we can even see a group devouring a drome after being debilitated by the attack of a Zinogre in 4U.

[@norascarletempress]

Of the 3 groups of band cannon fodder, there's always an outliner in this direction, for the thief wyverns, is Jagras who will attack the Great Jagras if they see him in the ground, an for dogs, Maccao is not that ruthless, but small Maccao will leave the leader to fend the intruders alone.

[@purpleenthusiast5814]

@@norascarletempress i see, i haven't played through 4u yet, so this was good to know. thanks!

[@TeguTheJester1954]

Maccao?

[@novastein9567]

We love to hate them

[@yanickgallant1562]

Algorithm comment

[@paz8723]

Crazy how copy pasted bird wyverns were. what a waste of resources

[@kimberlyharris980]

Dude....I love your vids I really do....but I really could have done without the noises when talking about being eaten alive....😖. Still gonna be here for the next one even though its featuring my least fav monster!

[@pyrostorm1700]

This comment is Algorithm bait please ignore

[@Kira-qp5ll]

No great jaggi, 0/10

[@TroyTheCatFish]

Fantastic Video as Always! :) 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 ❤❤❤ 💖💖💖