Octopus Cosy 6 COP Results ARE IN FOR October Heat Pump

[@NicolasRaimo]

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[@geoffshepherd8808]

Just had my cosy six fitted and thanks to nick I got a 100 pounds credit on my bill thanks to his heat pump referral code 😊 using the same code for my octopus solar install in the new year, 200 pounds off in total. Cheers Nick

[@geoffshepherd8808]

Hi Nick, how on earth do you just set two schedules for water and heating, I have to set five schedules for each every day; very confusing 😢

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@geoffshepherd8808 top right there’s a copy button and you press that and copy the days over

[@geoffshepherd8808]

Thanks nick , I was more asking that you have to set five schedules for each day it seems, not like the Google nest which is much easier to set up.

[@davebax6819]

Good update nick so 3.5 cop with hot water is outstanding stuff and I apologise for criticising your pipe run and heat pump location as you have a MASSIVE advantage with the Cosy as it’s linked in the Octopus 🐙 App, so very smart stuff indeed our current combi (going in January) Heating is set at 45 degrees flow temp, and water 48 degrees (we have no bath (soon) as no kids. The house reaches 20 degrees even with type 11 radiators so I’m much more confident hearing you experience

[@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle]

Great to hear Nick - thanks for sharing all your details

[@briangriffiths114]

Great that you have invested your hard-earned cash into future proofing your house. The ASHP efficiency during October and solar PV generation figure for the same month are both impressive by any standards.

[@wobby1516]

Unlike you I’ve the Diakin installed by Octopus I’ve also got individual control of each radiator via the Honeywell home Evohome system which means I can control each room temperature. If one room is calling for heat it will switch on the heatpump. To date I’ve left all alone and as I buy electricity at the 7p night rate and store in my 27kw battery system heating our 3 bed semi is incredibly. I estimate that with my solar system FIT payment and £100 saved on the gas standing charge my annual bill is working out at £25 per month. Yes I’ve spent a lot on the equipment but interest on savings was a pitance so better to invest in the house and it’s increased its value should I choose to sell. Our heat pump will bring the hot water to around 55° which is fine for us and once a week boost it to 65°c with the immersion heater on the legionella cycle. I haven’t a notion of what our COP is but frankly I’m not that bothered as our house is lovely and warm 20°c at night 22°c all day and in the evening the sitting room is 23°c we also heat our conservatory 3m x 3m throughout the day. All this even when the outside temperature was -1.5°c so to all those who say heatpumps don’t work they most certainly do. What I would say is if you opt for a heatpump spend the government saving on at least a 10 kwh battery more if you can afford it. It will increase the value of your house so it’s not money lost and make sure it a good battery, go on line and listen to the various posts before buying.

[@joewentworth7856]

True, but as non battery heat pump owner the savings are good too even without the battery outlay. So don't feel you have to have a battery.

[@markrainford1219]

It will add value to your house upto a certain equipment age. Should you come to sell, it will then become much more of a financial liability, compared to a similar house with a simple gas boiler heating system.

[@joewentworth7856]

@markrainford1219 this is true now. but I think it is a short term issue while engineers reskill. Regular flooding and wild fires can be detrimental to house prices too.

[@markrainford1219]

@@joewentworth7856 Yes definitely need to stop building on ancient flood plains. And most 'wildfires' whilst being the result of arson by people out to 'prove a point', are worsened by forests not being managed properly any longer due to loss of profitability.

[@Lewis_Standing]

It's not a good SCOP but running cost wise octopus giving favourable tariffs and you taking advantage of your home batteries makes it work.

[@EverydayLife621]

Same here, Daikin 6kw, run at 45 deg 24x7, its uses 12 Kw / day, for 44kw of heat output (COP~3.5). Switched off temerature compensation, so that we can run the house n heating, on a 20kw battery, almost all at off peak rate. Indeed For October, Total consumption 715.2kWh @ 6.83p/kWh † = £48.83 , where † = Average unit rate charged per kilowatt-hour., £48.83 also includes car at 1000miles / month.

[@Damadchef]

Lots of good and interesting info 👍... I'll be getting solar battery and heat pump shortly so thanks

[@NicolasRaimo]

Remember to check out evnick.com/energy for discounts and evnick.com/solar for deal on solar

[@Jaw0lf]

I have the EmonCMS heat pump monitoring that I have recently added top my Midea ASHP, that was fitted almost 3 years ago. October used around 86kWh and solar produced 266kWh. I also have a Tesla Powerwall and EV, so pricing is difficult as cheap overnight tariff as well!

[@tlangdon12]

Don't forget that the point of heat pumps is not to save money. We need them because they are sustainable in a way that gas is not.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Indeed and that’s the ethos of my channel since I started however people who move to heat pumps for sustainability ain’t the people am trying to convince to get them

[@PJWey]

@@NicolasRaimobetter and cheaper, no wonder big oil is driving so much FUD

[@nickthegriffin]

😂

[@Iisys6786]

Hi, I might have missed a step, but have you replaced your gas stove at the same time? Or, were you already electric? This would be an extra cost in order to shut of gas completely to remove the standing charge.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Check out rest of video series ;)

[@joewolffjoseph8173]

see you have some flight sim gear, you been playing the new flight sim was a bit brocken but seems to be a lot better now.

[@NicolasRaimo]

With 2 kids under 2 not had a chance yet it’s on my to do list

[@grith1983]

Just did a quote with British gas. It would cost me £7299 including the grant and it said I would save £108 a year compared to my gas boiler based on my last year's usage. What's the point, by the time it starts to pay for itself it will be well out of date.

[@neutron6220]

Did you try get a fixed price quote with octopus? They have 20% off next week also

[@grith1983]

@neutron6220 their quote as of this morning is £4799.49. The outlay to the savings doesn't stack especially with the trade offs as well. It is no wonder really why people are still fitting gas boilers, and if we start going down the changing the world argument the biggest countries are doing nothing they didn't even attend COP.

[@neutron6220]

@grith1983 I guess it depends on individual situations. If you've got a house full of old rads and a old boiler then it's a no brainer

[@grith1983]

@neutron6220 yeah totally agree with you there to be fair. We've had our boiler fitted 4 years ago with new radiators and the cost was a little less than the octopus quote. If we were doing it now I would certainly consider it. Anyone with a boiler that's pretty new it's not worth it until the prices come down.

[@chrisweston9764]

If your heating system isn't due a renewal/upgrade then I'd suggest waiting until it is. Ours has an old non-condensing boiler, old copper cylinder and old radiators so the cost of installing a heat pump, modern cylinder and upgrading the rads, makes it not really any more expensive than installing a new boiler. I think our quote for a HP was £6500ish

[@paulfrindle7144]

I booked a survey with Octopus for a heat pump this week, but had to cancel it until after Xmas for various domestic reasons. I'm a pretty much tech savvy ex electronic designer and I fully understand all the tech involved at every level. But the message I'm getting from your videos is that the whole heat pump thing is a massive burden right from the start - and could continue to be an ongoing management burden during its life time? The installation is complex and a significant domestic upheaval (and potential extra cost). Operating the whole thing to stay in the compressor efficiency range, whilst trying to get the performance you need - using apps on phones whilst tweaking this and that, is something I would not want to be doing on a weekly or even daily basis? Life is far too busy for that. I have a 35 year old gas boiler which I have successfully nursed along for the last 10 years (because it has a crack in the heat exchanger which leaks under high in / out water temp differential) which really needs replacing after this winter. I find that a 50degC boiler water temperature is sufficient to heat my 5 bed house and provide shower water even in the coldest weather - so anything that will sling out heating water up to 50degC would be fine. and therefore a heat pump would seem an ideal solution? But from what you are telling us, the hassle of getting one installed and working properly is high, husbanding the system to get good efficiency and decent performance is time consuming. Not to mention the expected lifetime of the unit itself, which is probably much less than a conventional gas boiler because it's far more complex. My experience of high end industrial air-con heat pumps is that they fail on average about once a year! I'm going to have to rethink the whole situation.

[@NicolasRaimo]

I’ve only skimmed your comment and I’ll read it fully tomorrow but wanted to reply to a point quickly… am messing around and I don’t have to…. Octopus commission it and you set schedule once and forget it…. I’ve been messing around with it for content etc if you get it your instantly be happier with it than you’d 35 year old boiler honestly my hone has been amazing from it! My wife loves it as home is just warm all the time, and am happy as it’s slightly bit cheaper to run on the whole! If you do go for one please consider using my refferal link

[@paulfrindle7144]

@@NicolasRaimo Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate that you are interacting with the system more than normal users would in order to explain all that's going on - and your videos are really great :-) I guess I'm worried about the upheaval of the installation and the costs of maintaining it in future? My experience of heating has been a bit unusual in that I have repaired my own boiler when the PCB went wrong (I replaced a faulty component costing only pennies), when the manifold pressure sensor went (I changed it for £20), I replaced the flue fan motor when it burned out (£48). I fixed the timer controller when it packed up (it needed only a mains dropper capacitor replacement costing around £2), I replaced the pressure relief valve when it started leaking (£10 from Plumb Center) - and of course I have nursed it along with a crack in the heat exchanger itself for 10 years (because a new heat exchanger part would cost enormous amounts and I could find no one who would consider replacing it). I also replaced the hot water cylinder when it cracked and water started pissing out of it, only a year after the house was built, (the cylinder was never intended to work on a sealed system at 3bar mains pressure) such is the standard of plumbing and heating installations in the UK. But I could find no viable and affordable way to replace the boiler itself. Each time I got a quote I was told I would need to replace all the radiators, the long gas pipe running all around the outside of the house, because the existing one runs underneath the house (and apparently it's not 'wide enough'), the thermostats - you name it at insane costs - due to new regulations with condensing boilers, apparently it was all John Prescot's fault. The quotes were utterly ridiculous! As soon as the installers realised I knew what I was on about, they never even got back to me. Some people I know who have had condensing boilers fitted to their newer houses have had to have them replaced after 4 - 5 years because they broke down. All I needed was a boiler capable of sending 50degC water through the existing radiators and hot water cylinder - the existing controller and valves provided the rest of the simple diverter valve logic for heating and hot water (yes they wear out and I've replaced the motor on that valve 4 times since we bought the house new). The last time I got a gas fitter to replace our an old kitchen hob (because I'm not confident to work with gas myself) he charged £180 for 15 minutes work! People have told me that heating engineers are charging similar amounts. So the last thing I need is a very complex new installation with many more 'inscrutable' parts to go wrong I cannot fix or replace, where the cost of help will be beyond my financial means in retirement. I really want to go green, I'm with Octopus for all my energy - I care lots about this. But all of the above is what's putting me off 😞

[@NicolasRaimo]

Cosy6 is an 8 year warranty! Theres very little if anything to service on a heat pump, you can clean the filter out your self or octopus have a service plan for £9 a month. You legally shouldn't be changing or repairing anything on your boiler so lets ignore that fact for a minute... A heat pump is a sealed system and the 8 year warranty should mean its paid back in that time what was octopus quote?

[@paulfrindle7144]

@@NicolasRaimo The quote is £3053 with a 5 year warranty - which is very decent. I would expect changing my boiler would cost that much, if I could get anyone to actually just do it without loads of extra costs I've been quoted for before. One quote to change my existing boiler system several years back was around £12K....!! This was why I started repairing it myself 😞 I will rebook the Octopus appointment in the new year, when things calm down here. As for the illegality of fixing the boiler myself? Well I'm not an idiot by any means, I'm a professional design engineer and can easily work out how it works - after all it's fundamentally nothing more than a burner under a water vessel, all the rest is simple running logic and safety measures. I have obviously never never run the boiler without all those measures firmly in place and fully working. And of course I never work with the gas pipe installations myself. But to be honest if there's something in my home which I have to pay for - as far as I'm concerned it's mine and remains my responsibility.. A once a year visit for a 'service' is never enough to prevent or fix breakdowns - they seem dangerously clueless - and all they do is look at it, measure the flue output for CO etc, which I can do myself with calibrated equipment. The reason why I ended up fitting the new hot water tank myself was because the guys that showed up had no idea how to do it and make the required changes to the wiring etc. They gave up and left me the tank and I just did it myself so we could get the heating back on! The standard of these 'certified' technicians in the UK is woefully low - it's difficult to trust them. For instance my friend had the electricity company turn up to change her meter? After that the meter read nothing at all. They accused her of running some elaborate scam and sent engineers out on 4 occasions to change the meter again and again -- but none of them fixed it! In the end I asked her to send me a phone picture of the wiring in her service cupboard - and I could see that they had wired the meter with two of the wires crossed, so that the net sum of what it read cancelled to nothing! When they came again she got them on the phone so that I could explain to them what was going on. They swapped those wires over and hey presto it all worked! It was astonishing. So much for expensively qualified engineers :-( The prospect of installing a complex system that only 'they' can service fills me with worry. I'm sorry... :-(

[@MarkCullen1]

The tank size is specified in the grant regulations- 50 litres per person and dog. A bit crazy because you have to either change behaviour, heat water less effectively, or heat by pump in the day.

[@philiphookham8135]

Nicolas, let me simplify the maths for you regarding the economics of your heat pump as a stand alone item without your batteries and solar panels etc. 183.27 kWhr of electricity using my day tariff of 23.6 p/kWhr works out at £43.25. However, 643.5 kWhr of gas at 6.32 p/kWhr (my EDF gas tariff) is £40.67, i.e. cheaper. The fundamental issue is that electricity in the UK is 3.7x more expensive than gas so the heat pump COP has to be above 3.7 just to break even. I am planning to install a heat pump to reduce my carbon footprint (which is why I've enjoyed watching your channel), but I don't think that it will save me any money in terms of operating costs. Your analysis includes savings from charging your batteries at night on a low tariff and exporting it on a day tariff which is to do with the economics of the batteries, not the heat pump.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Octopus cosy deal for heat pumps only has a rate for heat pump to run at 12p a kWh

[@PhilipHookham]

Thanks, Nicholas. I didn't know that. The Octopus tariff would obviously make a huge difference. Like you, I have a battery and solar panels, so I'm a nett exporter as far as the house is concerned. My EV is charged overnight at 7.9 p/kWhr. I'll have to investigate tariffs in more detail when I install a heat pump. Thanks for your input.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@PhilipHookham see cosy deal on evnick.com/energy

[@BenIsInSweden]

As Nick said also, Gas boilers don't convert 100% of the gas into kWh of heat - as some of it is lost out of the flue. Unless you're running your gas boiler like a heat pump, you're likely only going to get at best around 90% efficiency. So you'd need ~715kWh of gas = £45.19.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@BenIsInSweden Fact of matter is most gas boilers going to be running at way less than 90% as well

[@rotavator9441]

So so want an Octopus heat pump. They’re still not offering heat pumps here in North Wales 😢 Great explanation 👍👍👍

[@NicolasRaimo]

Thanks for watching!

[@NicolasRaimo]

YOu sure they don't cover north wales try evnick.com/energy use the link to heat pump quote

[@jchidley]

I would take the electricity heating numbers and multiply by the COP (3.5 ish) and then times by 0.95 (for 95% efficient combi boiler) to get how many kWh of gas you would need. Then compare that cost with your per unit electric energy cost (or some suitable tariff - even Octopus Agile will be below standard rate). This eliminates the whole "this year was different from last year" problem.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Next video will do

[@jchidley]

@@NicolasRaimo Correction: divide by the boiler efficiency.

[@grahambragg5441]

Interesting video, But there is a big caveat here, which is so important. I work for H&S at a hospital trust, you must keep hot water at a temperature of 60 degrees Celsius. Any plumber will tell you this, & the reason is quiet simple. it kills of the Legionelle bactereria. Which if spreads causes very serious respiratory issues. Not always curable.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Please relook and see the latest information on legionella for small stores like this where tank use would be emptied 100% daylily the evidence says you don’t need 60c even if it was 80% the temperature safety point is lower

[@grahambragg5441]

@NicolasRaimo Thanks for that Nicolas, that's really interesting, as no question there is a significant saving .. It's a shame there doesnt seem to be any change to the way they price electric on the cards yet

[@AlanS-uu5sy9vy8o]

Good video as always Nick, I have just got a quote from Octopus & they are arranging to do a heat loss survey in the near future . I live on my own and only have a shower , the only other hot water I use is for washing my hands/face or whilst cooking so my current combi boiler is ideal . Do Octopus offer anything similar to a combi as an alternative to a tank , I understand there is a Sunamp which works similar to a combi ?

[@Andrew-mf7tq]

why are you not using the cosy tarrif is this because you have solar and batteries

[@NicolasRaimo]

Having the EV with intelligent also means 7p offpeak electric I can easily run cosy6 in that time and charge battery storage, solar this time of year does next to nothing

[@jh-one]

How long before the tipping point arrives ? where so many people are using cheap night time electric on these heat pumps , batteries and cars . Suspect reaching this point will mean massive increase in electric leaving so many people with expensive lemons .

[@NicolasRaimo]

There’s a long way to go to fill the bath tub… there’s also a lot of other things to consider which is high wind peaks which are a cause of rapid price drops EVs help fill this blank we also have ability to export batteries and soon EV batteries back to the grid this will mean more steady pricing for everyone and owners of these products will get better pricing

[@davidcampbell3519]

Hi Nick, are you aware that some banks give a cashback reward if installing green technology. I'm with Barclays and I'll potentially get £2000 towards the heat pump, if the heat pump is less than £2000 there is no cashback as far as I'm aware. Thanks David

[@NicolasRaimo]

I believe some let you add it on mortgage for 0%

[@datoon83]

October was really mild, so comparing year on year is nigh on impossible.

[@leesargent65]

These low tank temps are well and good, but isn't Legionella a potential issue? My heating engineer suggested at least 55degC to mitigate this risk.

[@NicolasRaimo]

The science for legionella on home systems is basicly next to no risk. Your tank is cycled so much it doesn’t get chance to grow it also only effects the very old and very young. If I went on holiday for a week I might heat tank up to 60c as it’s been stored but everyday it’s being used and 210 means don’t take more than a day and a half to use all stored water

[@eddyd8745]

I've never heard of anybody get legionella from a domestic water system that is in daily use. I have a Mixergy tank and got them to turn off the legionella cycle; I'm still here.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@ turned off on octopus cosy6 also for same reason domestic tanks don’t suffer

[@wobby1516]

Once a week boost the water temp to 65°c is all that’s needed to stay safe. Most heatpumps have this facility built in either in the heatpump or as with Diakin useing the emersion in the Diakin cylinder.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@wobby1516 it’s really not needed waste of energy for domestic stores unless you have a massively oversized tank and don’t use it

[@BassPunk]

The stats from the device should not be trusted, only independent data. Its a real shame you have not added Open Energy Level 3 Heat Pump Monitoring. This would allow the wider public to make an informed decision on whether this model is any good compared to the competition.

[@NicolasRaimo]

If you want to pay the £700 for the kit and have it installed feel free I won’t say no otherwise it’s of little to no value to me

[@The1tjc]

I don’t understand why you are not heating your water using solar, or when there’s no sun via the battery? This must be the cheapest option and you wouldn’t need to mess around with the heat flow temp. I find it quite interesting that none of the KZbinrs who discuss installing heat pumps never address this, perhaps I’m missing something.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Using solar would mean using the tank heater that’s just going to use electric 1 to 1 rather than 200-400% efficiency

[@simon7790]

We have a solar diverter that sends excess solar power (that we are not using otherwise in the house) into the immersion tank to heat the water. It heats about 75% of our water over the year and is cheap and great. But as Nick said, it's works on a 1:1 basis, so every excess kilowatt produced by the solar gets dumped into the water tank. Basic physics shows that to heat our 300 litre tank from 10C to 60C takes about 17KW of energy which is fine in summer when we have plenty of excess. But if we had a heat pump that used (solar) electricity to power the pump to heat the water at a COP of say 3.8 we would reduce that to 4.5KW of electricity needed. So they are massively more efficient and well worth it. We'll get one when they drop a bit in price. Plus we don't use all 300L of hot water every day, nowhere near actually. So it works as a kind of radiator sitting in our house emitting heat.

[@markbennett6658]

Sorry Nick I’m slightly none the wiser. Firstly you said you exported 3.70 kWh and then showed you were credited £30.70 for export for the month… well that’s hell of an export rate! Otherwise a lot of complex blinding with science, adding and removing variables. I think you should either get a white board or use a spread sheet to graphically represent the comparison between total cost for heating & hot water with and without your specific add ons to demonstrate the actual cost difference between the two systems like for like. All I got was the heat pump is more efficient, you’ve got a lot more solar and battery than a typical house particularly one of your size and if you like plenty of hot baths your COP goes down and you need a very large hot water tank! Please keep it simple. I’m considering doing this but would more likely need a newly announced Cosy 10 my house being older, larger and less efficient than yours oh and liking HOT baths. I only have a standard 4kW 8 panel solar system and a 4kWh (net capacity) home battery. It would probably cost as much as new gas boiler on top of the government grant. Although I’d not necessarily want it to ‘pay back’ I’d like to see a significant cost saving as well as planet saving. Please clarify.

[@noloafingwgas]

I think he just miss spoke

[@stevoone342]

Its apx works out over £50 month on your usage on a standard uk rate. Not difficult to work out. My average gas bill is £70 month witch to just to switch to a heat pump would take a massive pay off period by thr time I’ve recouped the investment it probably be time to replace. I was going to have solar but been messed about so much i just not, also i can only have a small array of 8 panels due to space and split 50/50 s/w. The estimated power just about covers my current usage with a battery, so obviously if i add a heat pump into the mix would drastically up my power usage. Also living in a rural area i like to have a mix of gas and log. Due are area struggles with power drops wear if for example you have a ev your home charging can drop right down, let alone on fast charging comes impossible. The grid dose this to stop it all crashing. So personally id rather no fully really on the grid for everything, especially in time like this wear we are going into a recession possibly bigger than the last. I don’t trust the government especially the current the don’t have are best interest at hart. I personally think putting everything on electricity isn’t smart and exposing especially if the hike the price up as they have let alone the government will eventually tax you more for it especially if they lose over incomes.

[@fje1948]

I totally disagree with your analysis, sorry. I have 6.5 kWp solar, 20 kWh battery storage, EV and heat pump and as an emergency backup our Rayburn can heat the house and provide DHW in a power outage. All Electricity makes total sense.

[@stevoone342]

@ as you said in youre own words you need a decent system eg solar. But by the sounds you have apx £20k or so of battery’s alone . Hay enjoy. But not ever one can justify spending 10s of thousands. I was just explaining my situation and issues with it… you’re free to disagree As said if you can afford a decent system and meets your needs enjoy doesn’t mean others can’t though !

[@CC_FPV]

Is it that bad that you’ve got to share bath water!!! 😂😂

[@NicolasRaimo]

Young lad won’t bath without me 99% of the time so sometimes I have to share the bath as well as the water 😝

[@Chris-hy6jy]

It was quite warm during October so what was your average COP over the last week whilst it was near or below zero for a lot of the time? Must have been less than 3?

[@NicolasRaimo]

I’ve released figure over on membership and Patreon but November video with all this be out in coming weeks

[@janetmorris6792]

Why do away with the electric shower, come the better weather and less use of the Cosy6 then the electric shower is better and cheaper, if the cosy goes offline then you have backup, run an emersion on Solar or GO night rate time

[@peterjones6322]

A heat pump for hot water will always be cheaper than electric, even with a poor COP. So in Summer that's all that a heat pump would be used for, and it could heat the water at the cheap night rate.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Electric shower 100% efficiency the heat pump be worse 200% always going to be cheaper heating water with heat pump. No backup needed I can use tank heater to same efficiency as shower

[@neilmcbrideart]

You talk about inefficient gas boilers yet the unit rate of gas is way cheaper than electricity. I am considering ditching my A rated gas boiler in favour of heat pump but my annual cost of running the heat pump would be higher than what I pay now with Octopus. Data according to the Energy Saving Trust. Even with the government grant of £7500 I am going to be out of pocket until I die.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Gas boiler is 90% efficiency… heat pump is 350%~450% if installed via octopus … what unit rates your getting?

[@PedalPowerPanther]

To all the people out there banging on about when the break even date will be. Does anyone think of the break even time when they're buying a new car, a fridge freezer, a toaster etc. No, of course they don't.

[@insanityideas]

I did for an Electric car (compared to petrol & hybrid)... Turns out if you drive a lot of miles the payback is quite quick. But if you have it on a 6k miles lease deal it's bad value. Same can be said for heat pumps, they make more sense if you already have high heating costs... Nick saving £10 over his gas bill is not going to pay back on the investment, but making videos about it might.

[@mikeypc3592]

​@@insanityideasthe payback is immediate in terms reducing the risk of carbon monoxide poisoing or a gas explosion. If he's now off gas completely, then there's no risk of that all. As the op said, it's not always about break even or payback.

[@insanityideas]

@@mikeypc3592 agree, we recently got a heat pump because govt grants made it a good time to replace the entire heating system. We might have got a few more years out of the current gas one, but it needed doing sooner or later, so it was better to enjoy the advantages sooner. Cost savings were not a factor in that context. And yes it's nice to finally cut off the gas. However I do understand why not everyone will want a heat pump, it's expensive and involved some disruption to the house, fortunately for us the outside unit is located in a dead space in the garden too small to use for anything else, and everything else just fitted in the existing airing cupboard. Some people on KZbin are enduring crazy disruption and stupid heat pump locations just to evangelise about the benefits, you aren't going to convert a nation if tough compromises are required

[@-cc9ye]

Bit different, a better comparison is someone deciding between spending £200 on a fridge and £1000 on a fridge.

[@dazzassti]

is it me or do you keep saying cock rate.😅

[@1979com]

they just going to put the prices up for the masses. so u got a Sola and battery. im ok jack