Octopus Deals Are Changing Forever! Smart Meters Only!

[@GaryDoesSolar]

This is a great video, Nick and it deals with a topic I'm covering in a future video of mine. As time goes on, many people who enter the world of renewables (e.g. solar, heat pump, EV...) will eventually add further renewable technologies, so the market for a tariff that accommodates multiple assets will become necessary... Interesting times!

[@sygad1]

As well as a HEMS device to control it all, unless the energy supplier does this is as well

[@rolandrohde]

This is going to be an interesting topic... definitely. I live in Germany, and Octopus is just getting started over here, but I hope they will expand and keep working on innovative Tariffs here as well. They also do heat pump installs here apparently, cooperating with Daikin and Vaillant, and since I have a Vaillant Heat Pump I hope there will be an option to integrate that into Octopus in the future. Starting in January I will switch from Tibber to Octopus Intelligent Go and hopefully save as much or more there than I did with Tibber, at least once they manage to install a SmartMeter.

[@alacrityaudiooffice7716]

@@rolandrohde FUNK OF WITH THIS BS! The definition of 'smart' is "to hurt".

[@EverydayLife621]

Although you have the newest house in the UK, we have the oldest/coldest (25,000Kw on the EPC Grade F), yet a simple 6Kw ASHP will suffice, yes it is at 55 Degs C (outlet) with a current outside temp of 0 Degs (as one writes this) - but at the end of the day our enegy is £6 for 19/11/24 - dont pay too much attention to COP, its cost per day et al..

[@GdaySport]

I feel really let down, not only by Octopus, but by the whole smart meter system: I asked Octopus to put a smart meter in our new house a year ago, and they could not get one to work because we are in a poor signal area . They agreed to put an Economy 7 meter in as a compromise solution which offers some time of day features but it's a far cry from having a 30min readings smart meter. Because of this we can't get 7p off peak, it 14p instead. And to rub salt in the wound now we have a working Economy 7 meter, they are dragging their heels switching our account over to Economy 7 so are stiop paying 25p a unit to charge our car and newly installed home battery. I've read that over 30% of households in the north of England are in the same boat as me: their smart meters don't work! It's a national scandal and is penalising half the country. The north/south divide is alive and kicking and the government is doing nothing about all this...

[@judebrown4103]

Oh that's not on is it?! Do signal boosters not help either? Presumably there's not even enough signal to boost...🤔 Question is: why is there no signal, is this something the government should be sorting out, maybe get your MP on the case if they're not already??? Make some noise.👍

[@Eb3nez3r]

Even if you have a great signal, which I have does not help with OE's chronic systems decides you are the one...

[@Lewis_Standing]

Not octopus's fault though is it

[@GdaySport]

@Lewis_Standing Well they agreed to fit a smart meter in an area they should have known had no signal. I since found out our neighbours are in the same boat, so it's not like it should be unknown issue to them. It is what they do for business. Doesn't explain why it's over a month from E7 meter being fitted and still they haven't updated my account so forced to accept estimated billing. From top to bottom, it's incompetence ontop of incompetence and ruining people's lives...

[@paddylogan13]

I've had exactly the same issue although I did finally get a smart meter after 18 mths. Of course, it is hugely unreliable. The provision of smart meters is a national scandal. Why on earth can't we do it over WiFi.

[@colin79666]

What on earth is going on in that meter box?! 😮

[@AndyWilliamsUK]

I was about to say the same!

[@liberatodelgreco4430]

Exactly what i was thinking, Octopus special 🤣🤣

[@3D_Printing]

Spaghetti

[@peterbruch8719]

@@colin79666 glad someone else noticed.... Eek!

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@liberatodelgreco4430 octopus done nothing in DNO box apart from add tails to my existing Henley’s

[@peterbruch8719]

Good video Nick and I agree. Our Cosy 6 was installed last week, the solar & Tesla Powerwall 3 will be installed in 2 weeks time. I'm leaving enough space to add a second PW3 next year to take advantage of low rate charging and discharge to the grid.

[@eddyd8745]

How are you finding the Cosy 6? I need the Cosy 10 seemingly.

[@peterbruch8719]

@eddyd8745 it's absolutely brilliant. We're totally toasty and once we've had a week or two will probably start to reduce the warm up period. We were told today that it won't keep us warm in the winter. We asked and they said they were perfectly warm. We're on Intelligent Go, so heat the water overnight at 7p/kWh. We've done normal washing and washing up and it's still within 2⁰ of the set temperature. We will have the battery in 2 weeks, so will charge that overnight and run the heat pump from that. The install was smooth. Our heat loss is 4.7kW, but we're also about to double our loft insulation to reduce it. Even on Friday, when it was heating up a very cold house from scratch, it didn't go above 4.5kW, and that was only briefly.

[@chrisross1703]

@@peterbruch8719 'We were told today that it won't keep us warm in the winter.' ????

[@peterbruch8719]

@@chrisross1703 sorry, didn't make myself clear. It was friends who were staying for the weekend, heat pump and EV phobic. They couldn't see the evidence in front of them and how warm they were. Made me laugh.

[@eddyd8745]

@@peterbruch8719 That's really good to hear! I have panels and two batteries. I got the second battery because like you I intend to charge them cheaply and use them during the day for the heat pump. My house is a 1920's semi, I have plenty of loft insulation, cavity insulation and triple glazing. There's not much more I can reasonably do. I've no intention of ripping up the floor boards to insulate underneath as I have a solid wood fitted on top.

[@alanrenwick1652]

How was the heat pump with the snow ? As that design looks like the snow would settle/block the fan ? (Currently considering going the heat pump route).

[@NicolasRaimo]

Fine

[@MikeGleesonazelectrics]

if snow were a problem for ashp then 30% of scandinavians wouldnt have one, would they?

[@alacrityaudiooffice7716]

Heat pumps use, on average, 100W/hrs of ac power per 60w/hrs of heat recovered, making the compressor the greatest heating elemet in the system, plus the added advantages of noise pollution, smartmeter radiation polution...

[@UtubeRwokeLefties]

If they go Smart meters only, only the sheeple will remain. I'll move suppliers to avoid the energy scams.

[@zjzozn]

It’s bin day collection tomorrow!

[@alacrityaudiooffice7716]

Yeah, put the smart meter in it.

[@intruder313]

That's tricky since they don't work properly in the North for many and I physically can't have them due to the way my meters cupboards are setup (had an installer come and he said there was no space). Looks like I'll be going to the Ombudsman to complain about discrimination.

[@mcbishopuk]

My late mother (who lived in a flat) agreed to have a smart meter installed. When the chap turned up to do it, he knocked on the door soon after to say he couldn't fit one with her set up. No explanation given that she could understand and convey to me, but not good for those in a similar situation. She lived in Bristol in an area with good cell reception so that was unlikely to be the problem.

[@joewentworth7856]

Not sure your details but bristol has poor mobile reception in my experience and lots of solid stone buildings and basements that make things worse. So that may have been it. But either way if people are penalised for not having a smart meter they need a solution in these places .

[@LaverLamont]

It could have been because the electricity for the whole building came through one isolator and straight into each flat's meter box, so he would have had to turn off the supply to all flats to replace her meter. They won't disconnect the electricity to flats without permission in case it causes equipment such as freezers or respirators to stop working, and it's too much effort to get that from everyone.

[@mcbishopuk]

@LaverLamont Thanks!

[@edc1569]

It’s a cute idea but I’m not sure you can really overheat very much, you don’t tend to have a surplus of energy and then half an hour later a huge deficit. Octopus should have stuck a few kWh of LFP or perhaps a phase change heat store in the bottom of their grit bin style heat pumps

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

If you look at Agile, you can see the extra costs that are avoidable from 4-7. These are easy to set timer programs to avoid, but maybe people don't do it. There are also other fluctuations of a few pence that could be worked around, but the human cost is too high, but a computer cost might be worthwhile? The optimisation of hot water is also available.

[@alacrityaudiooffice7716]

@@Biggest-dh1vr Heat pumps use, on average, 100W/hrs of ac power per 60w/hrs of heat recovered, making the compressor the greatest heating elemet in the system, plus the added advantages of noise pollution, smartmeter radiation polution...

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

@@alacrityaudiooffice7716 the relevance of your comment is lost on me? It just seems argumentative?

[@leedsunited1538]

Inept company....

[@andrewdeans2179]

Yes I agree. I am on 3rd smart meter . If your smart meter stops being smart and you are charged at standard rates . It’s time to get better meters . I am using octopus intelligent go for car and heat pump with battery when meter is working . Radio signal used in Scotland. Cheers Andrew Scotland

[@NicolasRaimo]

Ask for a cellar meter due to frequency of issues

[@andrewdeans2179]

They only seem to offer cellular if your a u tuber or appear on BBC panorama in Scotland. I am 3 Weeks into new meter and it’s working at moment. Unfortunately Panorama state there is over 10%smart meters not working properly. Thanks I will try and press Octopus if this meter stops. I really appreciate your channel and have been encouraged to follow your journey and have now removed my gas meter. Cheers Andrew

[@NicolasRaimo]

@ my friend without any help from me got a cellar meter fitted and I know of many others you just need to keep on the pressure

[@judebrown4103]

It's probably no consolation but it took us six months to get a working smart meter and we're "darn sarf"! It seems the customers who were moved from Bulb were not as important to them (ie caused chaos in their systems with the sudden huge influx of customers!) as those who chose them voluntarily. We're on our third smart meter and now have the little pink box and phone app instead of the In Home Display so all good finally. We have an EV but no charger, solar or battery yet so I think we've been left on the economy7 tariff anyway. That makes no sense to me but not a lot does so my wife deals with it.😂

[@71brp84]

What you've described is Project Mercury, but that's years if not decades away. It requires energy suppliers, DNOs and hardware manufacturers all to be on board not to mention reliable working smart meters. Are you seriously suggesting Octopus are just going to bin customers who don't have everything in place because their hardware is one generation old?

[@lharris828]

Mine has been buśt for ages - still waiting for it to be fixed.....

[@owenashcroft8167]

I’m unsure, unless we enter a world where there’s a standard where these high use items self report in a trusted way it becomes incredibly complicated. Unless we have eco system lock in (eg get a cosy 6, octopus ev charger etc) which then is problematic because it means your ability to switch is hard. In addition it becomes insanely difficult to compare tariffs with all these bolt ons, and I’m pretty sure ofgem has spent quite a lot of time trying to make it easier for customers to switch, this would feel like an interesting world, but a significant step backwards for tariff clarity.

[@mwongerakarambu4912]

Love your videos! But people not wanting to switch to smart meters just won't have access to better deals, no need to stress any daily mail reader that they will be forced to: they will want to in order to save money!

[@NicolasRaimo]

There’s no good reason not to have a smart meter why pander to them

[@paddylogan13]

​@@NicolasRaimoOther than the DCC network being terrible, especially in the North.

[@floridahummer]

i wont touch a smart meter, they are there for the compay's benefit and not mine.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Am benefiting from cheaper electricity

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

Several people I know are benefiting from cheaper electricity with smart meters (Tracker tariff).

[@davebax6819]

I agree nick , it makes sense to have a IOG with an afternoon cheap rate to run ASHP and recharge the battery

[@pjelbro3492]

Using the house as a heat battery is a great idea but the issue comes when you overheat the house, not a problem there, but when you let it run down to it's normal temperature during the peak then, subjectively it feels cold even though it has gone back to the normal temperature. I know this because I've done that with an A2AHP and then 'freewheeling' through the very expensive Agile peak and picking up again afterwards. It works out significantly cheaper than gas by about £200 off a £500 gas heating bill. Residual gas use £75 (-£425), electric +£225. The other issue is that it doesn't work with underfloor heating that has a large thermal mass. Very efficient and feels great on your feet but completely unresponsive to the heating controls. It doesn't heat up or cool down quickly. Anecdotely you have to open the windows the cool the room down quickly and it will be ok tomorrow. Thanks for the video though about the tariffs.

[@MentalLentil-ev9jr]

It should work better with houses that have a high thermal inertia, for example our house takes a long time to heat up and cool down. I think it would work probably better with air-to-water than air-to-air, though I'm not sure of this.

[@pjelbro3492]

@@MentalLentil-ev9jr The problem is going outside of your comfort zone trying to use the house as a battery. Nice idea but it has limited applicability as I found out. Ok overnight if you can overheat the lounge and keep it from affecting the bedroom too much. Can't do much to get through the evening peak where it would do most good.

[@MentalLentil-ev9jr]

@@pjelbro3492 I can see how it just wouldn't work in some houses, but in others it might be okay, the only way to know for sure is to try it in your house. The other thing you can do though is be a bit less aggressive in the heating during peak period rather than turning completely off. Using a setback temperature will cut the usage during the peak periods and would make a big difference to the grid when enough people do it and the effect on the house would be much less, I very much doubt in my house I would notice a setback during the peak period. Using a battery though to cover the peak works better.

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

Three Heat Geek channel covered this with a Nesta employee recently. The acceptability of temperature variations is personal, same will need to be controllable at the house level

[@TheMiserableMoan]

What a mess in your meter box

[@symosys]

Ive just started heating my house with gas on off peak because the pumps take Kw electric, I have underfloor heating so this is stored at night and released day.

[@radfoo]

Think video title misleading. Octopus do some good tariffs but nothing new or changing at the moment.

[@IanMcc1000]

You definitely have some kind of Octopus in your meter cabinet Nick! How many wires?!?!

[@AmsNl2BcnEs]

Is this just opinion? Where has this expectation come from?

[@9111logic]

🙏Thanks for sharing. I keep following your broadcasts to see if I can understand OVO's plans more than I can online, where I don't find it easy at all since all they seem to have is a list of plans without mentioning the requirements. I have never left OVO for simplicity, but my situation isn't the most common one since I use my solar for my outbuilding/Lab (as an Off-Grid) and only borrow some for the house kitchen when available. In the wither, though, it might be beneficial for me to have a lower night tariff (I have been on a fixed one for years since I don't use that much), so I was thinking of moving to Octopus, but it is difficult for me to understand which plan would suit my needs. I need a cheap tariff at night without overpaying for the standing charges, and I will not be exporting as my solar is not connected to the grid. Perhaps some help could come from this channel?

[@NicolasRaimo]

Ignore standing charge as even tiny use will dwarf its effects…. Do you have an electric car? Trying to understand why you want cheap overnight electric? Have you gone through videos at evnick.com/energy

[@michaelgoode9555]

Are you paid by Octopus Nick?

[@NicolasRaimo]

No

[@kevanswift7797]

That DNO box is full

[@mostlyindica]

Only need 1 tariff for residential customers... making it complicated for no reason.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Energy isn’t made that way or consumed that way, 1 price would be higher and cost more to people who are willing to change habits

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

Reason: reflecting the cost of production and transmission

[@judebrown4103]

The last thing I'd want is to overheat my house at night, I want it cool then! I need warnth when I want it otherwise I'd get storage heaters!

[@BROOMEngineeringTMIET]

What is that horrific mess in that meter cabinet? Who did that?? Octopus?

[@NicolasRaimo]

nothing to do with octopus

[@MrWobling]

I wish Octopus would just do the Agile tariff and offer bolt-ons which provide a discount on the Agile rate for smart devices under their control. I'm totally open to load shifting and helping to balance the grid. But right now, Agile costs way more than IOG for my usage pattern.

[@johnb80]

Tomato Energy are already doing some of the 'bolt ons' that you talk about and theyre way cheaper than Octopus.

[@judebrown4103]

I keep hearing about this Tomato energy, I need to look into them. Do you use them, how're you finding their communication with you?

[@NicolasRaimo]

I look at Tomato's pricing and I look at true wholesale cost and all I can think is we've seen this once before! I hope my personal view on them is wrong but looks very much like a short term play to gain customers to either sell off to someone else or gambling I don't like the idea of either so maybe am wrong lets see too early yet.

[@judebrown4103]

@@NicolasRaimo yeah, I did look at them and there is a too good to be true element there. Whilst most reviews are good, a few reviews say contact is poor when things go wrong, although that applies to Octopus in our experience. Also they don't do dual fuel so that makes things awkward. Think we'll take another look if we ever get to be all electric... Thanks for the video, it was thought provoking. 👍

[@MrWobling]

⁠agreed - we've been here before haven't we? Another energy company looking to make a quick buck, which we'll all be paying off in further increased standing charges for years to come. 😢

[@philhough3596]

Shame smart meters (inc mine) are so unreliable. Far too many missed readings, month in month out.

[@Adeleisha]

The idea of a tariff that is basically designed to require overheating then underheating to gain monetary efficiency runs the risk of straying into disability discrimination, as there are a lot of people who require steady temps (myself included, and we're talking 0.5 degree comfort zone) and would be made ill from this. They would therefore not be able to access the same pricing as a non-disabled person, which is fundamentally the ethos behind the Equality Act.

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

Well, the amount of acceptable temperature variations would likely have to vary by household in any case, due to personnel preferences.

[@oliver90owner]

Are you sure that you get cheap power all the time your car is plugged in?

[@NicolasRaimo]

on intelligent go yes

[@paulclapton7803]

i hope you are wrong on this subject , its my stuff ive paid for and i want full control on when i use it .

[@Eb3nez3r]

Ah, all these new ways to ration electricity... Been with OE, never again.

[@me1td0wn366]

Ration?! You pay for what you use..

[@Eb3nez3r]

@@me1td0wn366 Why the different pricing then?

[@RobRob-w4q]

I think ? I think.? I think click Bait.

[@eco-terrorist]

Hi Nick, think about a padlock on that isolator. the last thing you need is some kid switching it off

[@grahamwoodier5066]

That is what I thought when I saw the isolator. I have had a similar problem with some of our local children who thought it was hilarious to empty the water butt I had in an exposed position. I fitted child-proof valves to stop this.

[@gavjlewis]

You can't. It's a safety isolator (red and yellow unit) it's for locking off when maintenance is happening to stop anybody turning it back on while it's being worked on. You could potentially swap it out for a non safety one (grey and black) and then lock it in the on position. But you would probably want to check with the heat pump manufacturer (octopus in this case) and check the MCS guidelines before doing so. But yes potentially somebody could turn it off if they wished. But presumably the app would report it offline so you could go and check if it had been done. I guess many houses could have the entire grid connection turned off pretty easily now as many meter boxes now contain a 100a double pole isolator switch. Then as your router will be offline you probably won't get a notification that your heating is off. But somebody could turn off the gas at the meter box and stop your gas boiler. I guess something's you have to live with.

[@eco-terrorist]

It refers to local isolation, not safety isolation, and even devices such as MCBs and RCBOs and Rotary Isolator yes can be padlocked in the 'on' position by design of the MANUFACTURER within the specification of an manual of a rotary isolator Interlock switch to prevent unauthorised access and maintenance of the unit when energised

[@NicolasRaimo]

s Gav says red isolators can't be locked on, I argue octopus should be using grey ones that can be locked on but all other points Gav says true anyone could go in my outside meter dno box and turn my entire home off just because someone could do something doesn't mean it happens

[@liberatodelgreco4430]

Octopus should be offering free batteries on a 3 or five year contract that would help them balanced the supply. With their buying power they could probably pickup 10kWh batteries for couple of thousands.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Cheaper to build a wind farm/ turbine farm, or there own battery farm to fit and supply would cost far more to individual homes than a scale plant

[@nigelmagnay1453]

Why would they bother, when they can simply persuade you to take the risk and make the capital outlay?

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

​@@nigelmagnay1453persuade=pay

[@datoon83]

Got a smart meter, which can't connect to the network. By the sounds lot's of people have similar problems. So unless they can sort that problem out smart meters aren't going to work. The reason Octopus want people on smart meters is so they can sell Kraken to other energy companies and don't have to rely on the retail side of the business... It always intrigues me that people are willing to give so much of their data away for free...

[@NicolasRaimo]

They pay you for data by giving cheap energy

[@datoon83]

@NicolasRaimo you still pay though? It's not free!

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@datoon83 7p a kWh is 3 times cheaper than normal electric, your sharing your data but being rewarded in terms of a huge cash discount

[@datoon83]

@@NicolasRaimo does make you wonder why the can't cost average out and give everyone lower prices. No matter the meter you have - including prepay...

[@NicolasRaimo]

Energy isn’t generated that way, I get 7p giving them control of when my loads turn on and off so when lots of energy is on the grid I get rewarded. Wind and solar go in peaks, when it peaks there’s load of it and it doesn’t always happen when people are using it. Prices are different for everyone on a national and local level not just in electricity… trains, fuel, we pay for things in terms of demand and rarity

[@davecavaghan7889]

You haven't answered the question about non existent network signals,smart meters are dumb if they cannot communicate and makes octopus intelligent really thick,as much use as a chocolate fireguard

[@ianbeck5897]

Not sure how this would work effectively in a house such as ours : We have hydronic UFH throughout and the system works on the principle of heating gradually as and when necessary so as to maintain each zone. The system decides when heat is required, not some outside agency. Our system simply would not respond quickly to a whack of instantaneous heating. Furthermore, our solar is on a generation based FIT - not controlled by Octopus and our batteries, a later addition to the house, are G98 compliant, so don't export. We also have ICE vehicles as EV's are not cost effective for us right now. This makes me wonder if the likes of us will be left behind? So sad, as we have embraced the benefits of Agile pricing and done a lot to minimise energy usage in our old (oil boiler fed) house. Perhaps another example of the focus being upon modern town based housing while overlooking old rural properties !

[@NicolasRaimo]

uFH works great with heat pumps! Way cheaper than oil and you could use events like this to heat the water tank

[@ianbeck5897]

@@NicolasRaimo I know - but can I get anybody from Heat Geeks interested in our property? No. Their website claims that our heat loss is 27KWh - which is ridiculous! All of this is based upon a postcode and a out of date energy certificate which I assume they accessed remotely. I'm in the process of gathering a decent set of historical month by month oil and electric usage statistics so that I can ascertain how much energy we really do use. Much has been done to improve the insulation and energy usage of the house since that certificate was released and this is why I feel that the remote assessment is daft. I could have a heat loss calculation done but the construction of our house is a hybrid of cob, stone and cavity blocks and not easy to accurately calculate and, anyway, I'm not rushing to buy a heat pump just yet! Much as I want to be green, our oil boiler is running well and we had a new tank a little under two years ago. One installer, not from Heat Geeks, suggested that we would need three phase installed - this infers a massive electrical requirement and, even with a decent SCOP, I question how cheap electric heating really would be if three phase really is needed - ignoring the stupidly high cost of getting the electric company to wire in three phase! Please understand, I am not against heat pumps, far from it. I just need to consider things practically and financially because I am unconvinced that a heat pump is a saviour for everyone.

[@NicolasRaimo]

@ could try a a new EPC or having a local heat geek give a real price

[@yellownev]

I think you missed the real change and that will be vehicle to grid, Octopus and other energy companies will be wanting to use our car batteries (as they prove their longevity and possible ease of replacement in the future) to load balance the grid demand and our reward will be cheaper fill ups for the car and the house if you also have house batteries. I also think there is a massive opportunity for software to be used in the house such as my Home Assistant set up. There must be so many out there that would love to have a reliable firm come in and set up HA to help control the home for power and financial efficiency.... great business opportunity ?

[@Joe-lb8qn]

That kind of remote control for home batteries is already there and doesn't need HA. Much better done remotely. I'm pretty sure Octopus offer it and so do Givenergy and a few others. V2G is problematic on many levels but in particular, economically, for the user, and its utility is already poor compared to a home battery, which won't go to Tesco or work and the cost of which is falling much faster than EVs are.

[@Chris-hy6jy]

Everyone should pay the same price per kWh regardless of what they have installed in their house. All these different tariffs drive me up the wall!!

[@NicolasRaimo]

But that’s not how capitalism works or the energy market… energy isn’t always consumed when it’s in supply

[@Simon-nb2mw]

Lots of different rates, is this just to confuse the customer to be unable to compare different companies. Then you'd just get scammed everyday

[@NicolasRaimo]

@@Simon-nb2mw energy prices change half hourly we can choose to use it when it’s cheaper or not, currently my average price is 8p a kWh if you choose to use it as 1 set price you end up with a high unit rate

[@Chris-hy6jy]

@@NicolasRaimo so everyone with a smart meter should be charged per the unit rate for that hour or half hour. I assume that's what Agile is?? Can anyone get that or just people with solar and heat pumps?

[@paulne9]

I will stick to my manual meter thank you. They can have too much control with all these so called smart things. As in some places if they think you are using to much power they turn you off. It has happened in the uk a while ago but they turned areas off as the grid could not cope.

[@NicolasRaimo]

They don’t need smart meters to turn off substations

[@randomjasmicisrandom]

They have never turned off the UK grid because it couldn’t cope.

[@ianandrew7010]

So Control my Batteries for 25p a KW not a chance 😡

[@carllonghurst9289]

Bet your neighbours are happy looking at that.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Why would they sit outside looking at it? How is it any different to a car you don’t like the look of

[@stuartburns8657]

To be fair, I don't know what Octopus where thinking, that's truly hideous. Can't believe they allowed it to be installed exposed to the street and potentially vandalism. Get a lock on that isolation switch.

[@alacrityaudiooffice7716]

FUNK OF WITH THIS BS! The definition of 'smart' is "to hurt".

[@NicolasRaimo]

What are you on about

[@mev202]

Stopped watching as soon as he said "think" as i don't want opinion, i want facts.

[@GurungyNoHamuster]

Clickbait. Speculation not facts. Octopus tariffs are not changing. As if KZbin needs more clickbait.

[@NicolasRaimo]

Last year I made 12 "speculations" and all 12 happened so yea believe what you like

[@GurungyNoHamuster]

@@NicolasRaimo Have a look at smart meter faults in the north of England, and the % of installs that don't work. Octopus can't turn those guys away, it's too many. BTW we all know more smart meter tariffs are coming, that's not a prediction.

[@GurungyNoHamuster]

Just had a quick look at gov figures. Only 30% of UK meters are type 2 or better. No company is going "all smart" any time soon. It would be suicide.

[@SteveN-pw4dj]

Give us better prices... Than one of the highest electricity prices in the world... Pull the other one 😮

[@Biggest-dh1vr]

It's just pricing that better reflects costs? There would still need to be tariffs for those that want a fixed price.