Oculus Touch reviewed

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The Oculus Rift didn't let you reach out and grab things in VR. These controllers change that.
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[@elmuchachoenamorado6764]

if i have this in my room, i would be in there so much that ill be like "whats a sun?" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TechInspected]

There are suns in virtual worlds tho...

[@christiandeuctor3606]

More like "What is love?"

[@elmuchachoenamorado6764]

hahahaha

[@jesondag]

+CrispCarbon Baby don't hurt me.

[@Bigboi0330]

This is not a review

[@sparkpaul]

I tried it at a demo with oculus and touch and when my session ended, I didn't want to come back to reality

[@PremierLeagueProductions]

Now I'm sold. Take my damn money!

[@sntxrrr]

Bah, the title says "review" but this is just a first impression without much comment on the controllers.

[@DustOfTheNorth]

This is an advertisment for the controllers.

[@MRSTEEL15]

Paul Steffens I'd rather play Scrabble

[@Cobrakailives]

next is a full VR Pokemon Game!!!

[@mythrin]

Okay so I know alot of shit has happened but after seeing the games that are coming out with the Touch I am 99% sold, honestly that looked insanely good, and from what I heard from recent reviews it provides a better experience than the Vive wands. So the Vive wins the headset, and the Rift wins the controllers for me.

[@noggy152]

It depends really. The oculus touch controller beat the vive wands for hand presence and are great for that. But the Vive wands simulate gun play, sword fighting, and holding objects much better in my opinion.

[@JaYo1919]

How does the vive win with the head set?? The oculus is way lighter, which makes it more comfortable and it's easier to read txt in the oculus because it's screen is a lil better.

[@mythrin]

Sean G Yes that is a very good point, the Vive's approach to the controllers was to create a good tool/utensil for interaction, while the Touch was to make your hands feel as natural as possible. But yes like you said it really depends on the person.

[@mythrin]

JaYo1919 I forgot to mention, I like the Rift headset more, it's lighter, more comfortable like you said, and the screen and lenses are slightly better like you said. But purely with hardware, like positional tracking and camera, the Vive is technically better than the Rift. But overall, the Rift headset wins for me.

[@TheBLACKKING25]

Mythrintia and PSVR wins screen quality and games!

[@Audfile]

great review but man this guy's comments while using them were dorky as shit. no acting career in his future.

[@ThePTurtle115]

oh.

[@jamesgjt]

just 2000 dollars and almost no games supporting this..... Totally worth it!!!

[@RogerEssigArtist]

worth it just for doom3

[@jeffdeprey6279]

Some of use already had a nice gaming PC. So 800$

[@anonony9081]

almost no games? steamvr has over 200 vr games already.

[@RonWylie-gk5lc]

You are right, I had a v good PC so just the Rift to buy but there is very little good stuff out there

[@jmoffitt36]

I got my Oculus CV1 w/touch bundle last week. So far are I'm loving it. Playing lot of Serious Sam VR - TFE using classing movement. No motion sickness at all. Once I got my room setup for optimal area. The room presence tracking and touch controllers are dead on accurate. I played on the Vive. I like the Oculus/Touch better. Using the Analog Sticks for movement in Serious Sam feels completely natural. I can strafe, backpedal all your normal FPS movements. It also uses room presence to I move in my room area. Duck around corners, crouch. Best of all is the Dual Wielding, Touch aiming. It makes mouse aiming completely obsolete.. Most of the time, just have double barrel shot gun in the left hand, Pistol in the right. Serious Sam is fast pace with a ton of crap coming at you. The movement is fast, I had no issues with motion sickness, nor have any of my friends. A couple get a slight sensation when going up/down stairs. I wish all FPS shooters could support VR and Motion controllers in this fashion.

[@djkoz78]

Sony REALLY needs to update their tracking and move controllers with much better tracking, haptic/force feedback, and most importantly analog sticks for locomotion.

[@sw1000xg]

djkoz78 that's why is cheaper

[@djkoz78]

sw1000xg I understand Sony was trying to keep costs low but they should have a premium or pro option for both the camera and move controls

[@ohwowcreate]

They want to make it for the mass. Prosumer will go for the htc vive or now rift with touch.

[@sw1000xg]

djkoz78 Yeah but then it would go up to the same price as the VIVE or RIFT! They don't really want that, they want console gamers to take a dive in to VR at a cheaper price even if its not as good...

[@djkoz78]

sw1000xg that's why they leave the lower priced peripherals and create a premium version for those that can afford it.

[@isaac_a]

That intro reminded me of the bad guy from Hackers

[@theTruB]

Not enough swinging ;-) but think about how far we got, that was a VR machine he was using.

[@marcodena4679]

I think 4 sensors will be needed for real Room Scale, unless the play space is smaller than the room itself. I can't see how it's gonna trac each corner otherwise due to the limited field of vision of each sensor.

[@bdiccus]

If anyone has seen "Gamer" knows where this is going.

[@FALprofessional]

Holographic nudies, mate.

[@dlaroc]

Just thought about Microsoft possibly using Kinect tech for VR when Scorpio VR is released. Finally hand movements and voice commands will actually be useful! I bet they improve it so it will be more accurate and pin point where your fingers are.

[@Pulsed101]

Yesterday I was sure I was going to pick up a VIVE in store however, after seeing this I'm sold on the rift, I don't mind waiting a few more weeks. This looks too fun.

[@AndrewMcCallumDrew]

Do you like the potential of the oculus rift or htc vive for the upcoming year ? Which will succeed? I'm still at odds on which one I will choose and benefit from.

[@Vape_Master69]

LOL XD ive been doing that for months with the Vive. the Vive also has a camera that you can use to see a representation of your room without taking of the headset, believe it or not its extremely handy. Although its not to say the oculus still has the advantage of being a bit user friendly and slightly more comfortable. both very good headsets. but i still rather have my Vive ( ; i would get both if i could.

[@LilBigHuge]

Oh I bet finger tracking is really nice on the vive right?

[@Vape_Master69]

lol you cant actually use your fingers to interact with anything, their just for gestures, still a cool feature tho, how does finger tracking feel on oculus? O that's right, its not even out yet, o well.

[@Art-Sin]

Why don't you go back to playing your 'tech demos' instead of trolling Oculus Videos?? oh, forgot, you come here to look at what proper games you'll get to play via revive!! :D

[@Vape_Master69]

Art Sin i dont know if i should be offended. first of all this is cnet its tech-news that's why im here. and as you just said i can play whatever i want with revive, plus i can actually play vive games which are much more than demos now. idk why oculus people are so salty, i like the oculus but the vive is still better.

[@LilRedRasta]

Does Vive have a game like this? Nope. You've been playing static infinite shooters with no story or plot. This is a true fps where you're mobile, have freedom, and there is a plot. The gameplay in this far surpasses anything available currently.

[@ericbest1632]

Oculus touch looks pretty awesome. I'm not sure how much a difference this "hand presence" is going to make though, your still holding a controller using a analog stick and pressing buttons like any other controller. seeing your fingers move though is pretty neat.

[@Marhathor]

We need an Oculus Touch game like Saint's Row, where you're basically a superhero in an open world. Preferably with more action everywhere, just making it really fast-paced. Much like the new DOOM. So, VR DOOM's Row, can we get it?

[@gamedeathmatch]

I guess the real question isn't whether the controllers are as good as the vive (seems comparable) but how much extra it costs for another 2 cameras and the controllers. Also is the processing requirements increased alot, I seem to recall the caveats of using laser positioning for the vive being that tracking is computationally cheap, views from cameras need to be buffered and processed somewhere.

[@Jackrabbit710]

That looks extremely impressive, the Vive Wanda were pretty good, but this is next level again

[@LeMartinOG]

For 600 dollars plus the cost of the controllers, PLEASE just get an htc vive. Way more games and much more immersive.

[@FALprofessional]

It ends up being $800 just like the cost of the Vive. $600 plus $200 cost of the controllers.

[@Zombiecow7799]

PCFanatic more games doesn't mean better games.

[@taf0208]

The Vive costs way more that the Oculus and they do have the same amount of games, also I'd have to say that the Oculus wins with immersion.

[@_zproxy]

grabbing a gun in VR will get you shot in real life tho bro

[@vladpuriy]

black

[@RealityCheckVR]

The only problem I have with this "Review" is that he is using the old development controllers from months ago in this demo. I have newer touch controllers myself but he developers with them can't "Review" them because of NDA.

[@Muddles178]

I think that this type of video should start being called overviews rather than reviews.

[@zdl5665]

Looks like even with 3 cameras, it was mostly a standing experience. Are there any touch games actually designed for room-scale?

[@coppermine64]

Imagine a great fight nightVR title. Can't wait.

[@JohnIsAngryAgain]

Question, does it come with some sort of wireless connector? How do the controllers connect to the PC?

[@ericbest1632]

yes the controllers are wireless you just have to plug them in to charge. just like you would if you used a ps4 or xbox controller

[@airnith]

yes the are wireless controllers, they connect to your rift headset just like the little remote that comes with the rift.

[@kitatran9275]

clickbait headline. You would think cnet would be above this kind of crap

[@velen966]

Does oculus touch came with those addition two cameras?

[@justin60222]

"Room scale"...If you watch closely you'll see that he never turns around.

[@javitomixs2007]

this need some good games the ones they have now are just gimmicks

[@dandanthesuitman6013]

Robo Recall, Edge of Nowhere and Chronos are the big ones I'd recommend.

[@ClayMann]

If you just bought the controllers and no headset, could these become a new device for working in 3D applications like Zbrush, Modo, Blender. I'm wondering how precise you can be. Lets say you had a sphere on your monitor. Could you track the cursor over the spheres surface smoothly or would it judder? Just wondering here, feel free to tell me why this wouldn't work.

[@theTruB]

I dont have the controllers, I have them on preorder though, but you cant use the controllers without the headset, vive controllers may work, razor which are not available anymore unless you get them from someone, do work alone, but they are not very precise, however, both vive controllers and touch is very accurate, no real 3d applications do support any of those though, however, Oculus medium works similar to zbrush ect, but its more basic, of what ive heard is that its more "fun" to use, you get very creative while using them since they are so easy to use and works great, also tilt brush which google owns, works for both touch and vive, but its even less for working with 3d, even though ive seen a guy doing just that, but he remade things in 3dstudio from the paths he made it tiltbrush, if i remember correctly. Google Oculus Medium,. thats the thing I am looking forward to the most.

[@Zirkonium]

You need the full set because else the controllers cant communicate with computer and detect orientation.

[@chickencrusade3886]

This is cool but when I heard Oculus TOUCH I had assumed a controller that simulated textures you felt in game

[@tomdaigon8707]

They are cool, but the Valve Vive prototypes are more innovative and versatile. ;)

[@christopherp8178]

COVER IT WITH MY PINK STUFF

[@JorneDeSmedt]

360 degrees is possible with Oculus? This may just solve my dilemma. Any idea how this performs with a Virtuix Omni?

[@4dzone]

Does the touch give vibration feedback?

[@AndrewMeyer]

So how does the price of this system + the Rift compare to the cost of the Vive, which includes room-scale positional tracking and controllers in the box?

[@lovetekman]

about the same, a little more for a 3rd sensor that gives you room-scale with the rift. edit: 3rd sensor not needed but helps to give better occlusion, which provides a better experience. (2nd sensor comes with the touch controllers)

[@sameerkhannaSOS]

798 for the touch and Rift bundle, 79 for two more sensors, which is needed for roomscale. BUT, the Touch controllers have a lot more functionality than Vive controllers and allow more immersion, AND the roomscale setup for Rift has fewer occlusion issues due to being 3 sensors instead of 2.

[@treytrey637]

2 sensors gets roomscale in the Rift. 3rd sensor is for contrived occlusion scenarios. 3 sensors is ...not....needed. The misinformation is amazing. What the hell is wrong with everybody.

[@sameerkhannaSOS]

Read what i wrote. I said third is for roomscale without occlusion...

[@FoMScratch]

Basically around the same price. It really all comes down to your personal views on the company that developed the headset at this point.

[@PashaDefragzor]

Where is old school gloves ? With virtual item inside of VR

[@Zukku15]

This is not a review. It's a sales pitch.

[@4everforgotten]

I a bit confused on what to buy the oculus with that oculus smell and the touch or the htc vive? HELP

[@4everforgotten]

Neddskorg Thanks

[@justin60222]

Lol that media remote is a joke and a waste of resources.

[@dwp1slyfox]

I'll stick with the Vive and psvr. And as long as Palmer Lucky has anything to do with Oculus, that will not change.

[@Wolfsheim23]

I just got my touch controllers and after trying several games I realize that I don't really like the touch/motion controller, roomscale types of games in VR. I don't like all that movement to control things. I'm a lazy old school gamer and I really just want the normal game types using the VR headset and getting the 3D immersion but just using a controller, sitting down, or even using my tried and true Mouse/Keyboard. I just want to play games like Fallout, WItcher, Elite Dangerous, Alien Isolation, etc.. but with fuller immersion from the headset. I think the VR developers are over complicating the market shooting for more of a Wii type of audience and I really believe that will prove either a fad, or a big offshoot from the main gamer population.

[@lemonpoundcake22]

Joel C from the looks of it i think you'd prefer using the xbox controller more right?

[@Wolfsheim23]

Yep I've done that, and even mouse & keyboard is fine. In VR I like to stay immersed I just imagine myself sitting in the cockpit of a big machine/mech/android/etc and I'm controlling its movement through the world with whatever controller I have in my hands. It's totally comfortable to me this way to use regular gaming locomotion this way. Motion Controllers just really feel awkward to me other than using guns. It's like trying to use chopsticks with mittens on.

[@duaneology589]

How is this not a "review"? There should be an IQ test for access to the internet.

[@kingzor100]

if they make a good boxing game im buying this

[@Alif1089]

So to works like the Vive we need 3-4 camera censor? Too much money.. but the touch controller is awesome about reading finger position

[@Karltroid]

No, 2 sensors works fine: Look up a youtuber named "RealityCheckVR" he has an early dev kit and has been playing roomscale SteamVR games perfectly fine. I'm not a fan of how they worded it... I think they meant to say if you want an even bigger play space we SUPPORT 3+ sensors; but 2 works fine, just like vive.

[@Alif1089]

Karltroid ok even it's only need 2 cameras to works fine, it's still gonna expensive than Vive, except the Oculus include it another 1 additional camera in touch controller bundle for free without raise the price, because Oculus headset only include 1 camera.

[@Karltroid]

Andi1089 english please? I couldnt understand a sentence you said there lmfao.

[@Alif1089]

Karltroid sorry english is not my native languange.. my point is, if the Rift need at least 2 camera sensors for room scale mode, the Rift will cost expensive than Vive, because the price rift it self is $599 + touch controller $199 + 1 additional camera sensor maybe around $100 the total about $898. The Vive is $799

[@Karltroid]

Andi1089 if you buy the rift headset it's $599 and comes with 1 sensor then if you get the new touch controllers that come with a sensor it comes out to $798... (the touch controllers come with another sensor)

[@tibor3]

do they work with a dk 2 model?

[@sirpeny]

Do Touch Controller really track the position of your fingers or you need to push the buttons / realease buttons to grab objects? If they detect then how accurate is it? I think that's the essential part when comparing them with Vive controllers.

[@pexeq]

Of course you need to push a button to grab stuff. The Touch controller can sense a limited amount of gestures, like pointing with your index finger or giving a thumbs up.

[@Ruudscorner]

It actually can feel your finger before you press the button. Last time I heard it had 4 levels of finger movement for each "button". So it's not only pressed or released state.

[@theTruB]

its more like, pressed, on, off, and far off.

[@sirpeny]

Not bed, but it's just a beginning and not enough convincing when it's about the decision between systems of Oculus and Vive. I admit that 1 point to Oculus because of this feature.

[@pkilljoy5797]

The finger tracking takes it to a whole new level IMO. Its like having nubs for hands or actual hands.

[@xirocastgaming4809]

I tried these and honestly they are so good!

[@TonyDupre]

Lone Echo looks amazing

[@brent4770]

So are they as good as the vive now?

[@neolynxer]

This is an ad, not a review.

[@Tobanaman]

Not that these will matter when the next oculus is released in a year or two.

[@thedarkside529]

I tried them today!! They are Awesome!!

[@anonimoescondido]

I can not wait to play Star Wars, Dragon Ball, Zelda and many others, with those virtual reality goggles!

[@felipecosta9632]

Leandro César Finoti for the zelda you'll have to be reeeealy patient man.

[@NGEvangeliman]

i want to see 3rd or 4th gen vr headsets be usable by anything powerful enough to run them. sort of like how you can use any tv or monitor with you PC or consoles.

[@Art-Sin]

If you ever have the opportunity to get hold of a Rift, Sit down with Chronos - Its like a cross between Zelda and Dark Souls - not as much content as those super-high budget titles but the execution and pace is perfect. an Amazing experience.

[@BloodHassassin]

I played wind-waker in VR already. In Dolphin VR. It's great, although a little dizzing.

[@jimmyhuajh]

What's the monitor for if I am using the headset?

[@theTruB]

To show whats going on, there are people who are helping and assisting if needed, I am using my Rift right now through virtual desktop, and I dont need to use a monitor in normal use, but if I have people over who are trying it I have the TV on as a monitor to show others whats going on. also, since windows dont support VR headsets as monitors, you need to remove the headset when ever you are trying to install things. Pretty annoying.

[@zenxter4988]

the controller sold me 🤣 and the 400$ price for summer

[@RadoDani]

What would you use VR for, besides gaming of course?

[@Jackrabbit710]

With everything that oculus has in the pipeline, the rift is the safe bet at the moment. I used to recommend the Vive before I watched oculus connect (I own a rift)

[@vargus1859]

Porn.

[@Gibbles432]

still waiting for the gloves...

[@swaminic]

This is not a review - more like a first look.

[@FragileBitch]

Sigh.. The price are as equal as HTC vive. I know new tech usually cost much. but 800$ for this or either Vive still a bit too much for my wallet anyway.

[@wbranum1]

This is NOT a review, this is an advertisement for Oculus Touch VR. Shame on you.

[@MartyFromMCP]

The 3 cameras seems like a bit of a putoff to me. I have a lot of USB devices in my PC and I don't think I have room for any more. Not to mention I don't exactly have the room for something like this. If I can make room, let's hope the camera wires are long. Or else it'll be useless. I'm not willing to pay $200 just to find that out though.

[@frankeyboi87]

MartyFromMCP you can get USB hubs that turn 1 USB slot into 4

[@MartyFromMCP]

I actually got in touch with Oculus and they recommended buying more USB ports to fir into my PC. Not a bad shout actually.

[@Zupecki27]

4:15, still waiting for review.

[@wolf5quad158]

I can't find an actual review of these they all just talk about what they do. they won't talk about quality or experience

[@NLwino]

Tomorrow... less than 24 hours before they arive. =D

[@ImperialEarthEmpire]

looks nice, too bad oculus owned by zucker...

[@dandanthesuitman6013]

Yes, that bastard! We all hate him, because he... Wait, why don't we like him?

[@MrTynanDraper]

because he was way too successful and way too young an age. . that would be my guess.

[@santiagoyoutube621]

why all those big rings around every hand? I think it's just about design going useless practically.

[@terrylyons6210]

I thought this was supposed to be a review?

There was nothing told about haptic feedback. I must presume there is none.

[@Art-Sin]

Dmitry Granicin It features multi-haptic feedback. about 2x as much motors than the vive controllers

[@NGEvangeliman]

ok the zero g robot one looks cool, but disorienting as hell lol. i picture the more sensitive gamers barfing a bit. however i think ill be fine.

[@Night-Jester]

Wow!

[@jesperfranzen9396]

Where is the review??

[@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784]

about time, Oculus was being whooped by the Vive in this area

[@LilBigHuge]

In what ways?

[@benrutherford5544]

I feel like that's not true anymore...

[@LilRedRasta]

Nah, not anymore. I'd give the edge to the rift now.

[@TheOriginalNCDV]

Doubtful. The Vive tracking will be more accurate and responsive compared to this outdated IR tracking tech. And not rely on multiple USB 3 ports and long cables trailing out of your PC.

[@TomCei]

I don't see much difference from vive controllers...

[@metalnigelable]

Well then you're an idiot.

[@TomCei]

Roger Diking How are those touch controllers doing for ya? Seen those Vive prototype controllers? Look instantly better than the oculus touch and for good reason too. Competition creates innovation. Let's keep it up HTC/Valve vs. Oculus.

[@PotatoMaGobinus]

Tom Foolious2 I think the vive controllers look better too..

[@TomCei]

VΞЛТUЯΞ - Mmk. Oculus touch is better if you need hand presence. Now how are they compared to the Vive controllers when holding a sword or a gun? how does the trigger feel for gunplay?

[@FunTimeGhz]

We want gloves.

[@benrutherford5544]

Do you think the rift is as good or better than the vive now then?

[@LilRedRasta]

Its better now in my eyes. Watch OC3 on twitch.

[@zaphod2]

HTC has the best tracking using lighthouse

[@LilRedRasta]

***** marginally true..but oculus has better....everything else

[@NikoKun]

Lighthouse isn't really any _better_ than Constellation. They're both IR tracking systems, just different implementations. All indications from developers showing off Touch on youtube, seem to suggest that with just 2 opposite facing Oculus Cameras, you can achieve the same level of tracking accuracy as the Vive's setup. And with 3, it's even more rock solid, which is why Oculus suggests that for large room-scale. IMO, Touch is totally a next level beyond what Vive is capable of. They'll play the same games, but the hand-presence won't be as good on Vive.

[@noggy152]

Lighthouse tracks a larger area with only two base stations (out of the box it is guaranteed to track up to 5m but there are videos showing it tracking much larger spaces with the sync cable) and the base stations have a larger FOV which enables the larger tracking volume. Plus cable management is easier with the Vive base stations since you only need to hook them up to a power outlet or a battery pack. The Constellation cameras on the other hand have to plug directly into your computer and their cables are pretty short. Which means you have to have a spider web of cables routed back to your central computer across your smaller playspace (or buy lots of USB extenders to facilitate cable management). Additionally the cameras in constellation start to lose tracking at around 5-6ft. Meaning the constellation is limited to 12 ft in a dual camera system (3.3m). If you want to extend it further you have to buy additional cameras which make the total package more expensive than the vive.

[@UnpopularOpinionGames]

That was not a review

[@justinnehme5087]

Hey lex

[@qweryuiasdf]

although i enjoyed the video, it wasn't much of a review.

[@neolynxer]

This is an ad.

[@UttRConcrete]

How much

[@williammanning7207]

$200, assuming you already have the Rift itself and a good-enough computer.

[@jeffdeprey6279]

200$

[@Audfile]

UttR Concrete a bargain.

[@me001ist]

like the vive

[@amurika6336]

ps4 ftw

[@axlvargas6759]

This is why CNET is dead..

[@a36538]

how is this a "review" what's the price, how does it compare etc what a shill cnet

[@kasimirb5155]

Looks BORING! Every arcade game with a laser gun is more fun than this!

[@whopperlover1772]

Oculus wins!

[@cunty]

im triggered

[@tyskws4290]

Why why even make these? oculus cant even sell 100k headsets in 7 months....neither could vive....psvr just 10 folded both companies in one single day. Rip to the pc headsets, move on to travel vr where you belong. you have no future in in the gaming market with the best headset for gaming psvr.

[@CamRutherford]

tyson smith psvr graphics are shit

[@tyskws4290]

Cameron Rutherford I've played the same games on my rift as I have on psvr and games look the same psvr has a better refresh rate and hand tracking. Just so you know since you clearly know nothing about vr graphics mean nothing in vr that's why rez infinite is deemed the best vr game to date.

[@CamRutherford]

tyson smith I'm pretty sure a lot of people would prefer better graphics to be fully immersed but keep talking captain

[@hooho491]

and still you can't walk.

[@dandanthesuitman6013]

But... Yeah, you can. Same as the Vive. O.o

[@CarrotSurvivor]

not really but yea it will work

[@CarrotSurvivor]

you will need 3 sensors all connected to your computer.. vs the vives 2 sensors that only need to be connected to a wall outlet and are wireless to the PC.. vive is much better option for room scale

[@dandanthesuitman6013]

They're not wireless. O.o The Vive's biggest complaint is the excess of wires. Apart from that, fair enough.

[@joseflandul4857]

Oculus=Shitty company... I prefer Vive

[@_MaxHeadroom_]

José Flandul they are not a shitty company. without oculus all the VR stuff would be years behind. they brought it to the forefront and literally kickstarted the VR industry.

[@_MaxHeadroom_]

José Flandul they are not a shitty company. without oculus all the VR stuff would be years behind. they brought it to the forefront and literally kickstarted the VR industry.

[@parampuri2648]

1st viewer

[@moriahhutchison2883]

First

[@ilusions4]

not even a review

[@bossmangeneralevan7250]

First