Odroid H4 Plus First Look! A New Low Cost X86 SBC That Runs Windows & Linux

[@silverywingsagain]

We're really pushing the definition of SBC here I think. This is basically a mini-motherboard.

[@Crystawth]

and does it even really count as an SBC if you have to add RAM and storage? those are additional boards...

[@salvadorGC338]

@@Crystawth The good thing is that Radxa just announced the X4 with a N100 what really is an SBC.

[@bm-cy7ek]

ETA Prime the shill

[@dktol56]

Odroid has a $15 mini-itx adapter board for it. Then you can mount it in a conventional PC case (mini-itx and larger).

[@Lurch-Bot1]

Not to mention, the use of half-century old tech on quarter century old Pentium Pro architecture really just flies in the face of everything SBCs are about. "works with Microstuck Suckface products..." I wonder if it will suffer from silicon degradation...

[@RealMTBAddict]

Nice. Really want to upgrade from my Odriod HC4, had it up for 4 years running Nextcloud. It could be way faster with a new system.

[@dragonflame9615]

This makes a awesome office pc, home theater pc and emulation station!

[@eduardoferreira9882]

@@dragonflame9615 im using a n100 for browsing e lowend stuff with w11 and its working well

[@TheDeadStyx]

Watching this in 4k from a H3+(with pl4 tweaks). Definitely a good device.

[@LumiousSage]

I would love to see you mess with Batocera on this one ETA.

[@TT-pi8ww]

you say $99, but it's actually 236,81€ (= $257,83 USD) here in germany, with power supply 254,22€. That's totally over priced.

[@FrankelysHernandez]

you can get something better for this price. i think this is only good for a NAS/Server.

[@chaostropy]

thats sad reality of Europe. so many things more expensive compared to US or JP

[@hankhulator5007]

Have a look at odroid in the Nederlands, they sell the H4 alone @ €138.90 (including French VAT, so €113.85 gross), the H4+ @ €180.99 (€148.35) and the H4 Ultra @ €308.66 (€253.00). It is still expensive, but at this time there is no competitors or the few there is are more expensive.

[@tip00former1]

The barebone is 138.9 EUR. Compare apples with apples. Guess you included ram and ssd, etc.

[@user-vc3hc8fh7n]

대한민국에서는 H4를 133,700원 ( = $101.09 USD)에 구입할 수 있습니다.

[@andr01dx86]

I want two of these for a low power Proxmox/ESXI build!

[@TooLazyToFail]

I was just thinking that one of these might be just the thing for a low-power failover Home Assistant server for when we're running on generator and I don't want to run our big UnRAID server!

[@Kuba295k]

Please, can you include power benchmarking, like idle and full load system power draw please? Maybe separate gpu and cpu stress test. Thanks!

[@ranjitmandal1612]

There website is so good filled with useful details 🙌👏

[@megan_alnico]

Thanks for covering something that's affordable again.

[@ShiggitayMediaProductions]

I'm always on the lookout for a good small x86 router, and this guy's on my radar. Could you tryt and install OpenWRT on this SBC, name the ODROID H4+ since it's got the two 2.5 GB Ethernet ports? Great video as always.

[@ertepechis]

Seems like a decent Nas board. They even have several cases made for multiple drives. Might pick one up for a NAS.

[@frenchyfrenchsilver1331]

NO, you won’t pick none of that.. and if you insiste in this path , I might…. You need to chill

[@hankhulator5007]

It is also (especially the basic version : H4) good for office workstations, add a 24 GB stick of RAM to be OK for a good deal of time and a good fan, boot it from the network and that's it (not to mention that @~12W stressed, the energy bill stays low, even with a hundred of these en the LAN).

[@frenchyfrenchsilver1331]

@@hankhulator5007 stopp

[@hankhulator5007]

@@frenchyfrenchsilver1331 AND all of that with a 12W to 15W maximum power drain, it is indeed _very_ difficult to resist such a juicy SBC to build a tremendous NAS with big and speedy rust, so you can put a gazillion tons of interesting things on, hmmm ! :)

[@frenchyfrenchsilver1331]

@@hankhulator5007 i see

[@boydw1]

Would have been helpful to post a direct performance comparison vs the H3+ N6005

[@Autotrope]

Odroid stuff is super expensive here in australia, $300 Aud (around $200 USD) for the base H4

[@srvuk]

Not bad and Odroid does have stockists in the EU and UK. But when I start to add up the price of the necessities, there is less value in this than I want and expect. Also, don't forget that Odroid has some of the shortest warranty periods on the planet.

[@RealMTBAddict]

My HC4 has been running fine for 4 years.

[@chromerims]

Mixed feelings. 4x Sata and 2x 2.5gbe are cool, price aside. Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.

[@gatitomono47f77]

I would love to see a cheap board like this that had SAS support it would be great for making a nas with cheap server drives

[@christianponopp8756]

Looks like a NAS motherboard. May be with this people could upgrade their NAS. I would like a NAS Case with 2,5inch drives😊

[@CGoody564]

They make cases that fit 2 2.5" sata drives

[@dktol56]

Build a compact custom NAS appliance with this board.

[@aviatorman78]

I'd like to see this device running Linux . As a Linux user to have something for the kiddos 😅

[@hankhulator5007]

I don't have H4, but I have RK3588 (NanoT6 from FriendlyElec), a research on cpu comparison give it very close to the intel N100, so I expect the N97 to be around +3% perfs. NanoT6 running Debian bullseye (yeah, it is one branch back) is working ferpectly well and chromium is an accelerated version specially crafted for this CPU (the _only_ thing that is awfully slooow on ARM is when encoding/transcoding video not using the special libraries that can exploit the intrinsic encoders) - so the H4 should be working very well for kids (and parents;)

[@Lurch-Bot1]

If you're using Linux, why would you get a crappy old Celeron when the RK3588 exists?

[@hankhulator5007]

@@Lurch-Bot1 There is one domain where ARM can't really compete, it is when encoding/transcoding video, as ARM doesn't have the intel extensions it is ridiculously slooow with ie: avidemux. Of course RK3588 have intrinsic x264, x265, VP9, etc encoders/decoders (I've read of a guy that is encoding 16 simultaneous FullHD streams), but at this time it is difficult to exploit. and not used by regular software except chromium video decoding at this time. For the rest, the RK3588 is much faster than my old laptop (i5-4210M) while having a lower power demand - with the debian bullseye eMMC image and using XFCE :~4.2 W idle & ~11.8 W stressed using : stress --cpu 8 --vm 8 --vm-bytes 14GB --io 8 --timeout 600s).

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

@@Lurch-Bot1 not a "crappy old Celeron." N97 is an Alder Lake-N mobile chip with 4 E-cores and benches between an 11th gen i3 mobile and 8th gen i5 mobile chip and came out in 2023. It has AV1 decoding which helps a lot with KZbin playback. For its class and price, it's not that bad for general purpose/light computing. It sucks at gaming, though.

[@BrianThomas]

Oh, now I know what you mean by the case is pretty 😎 cool.

[@PiManiac]

I was looking at this but went with the GMKtec G5 N97 Nicro NUC as, it gave me more per buck.

[@codyrap95]

2:52 - you can still have multiple dimms per channel even with single channel so it's not "intel's fault"

[@tebo2286]

I would like to see a shoot-out between the Intel N97 CPU vs the Pi5. I'm undecided as to whether I should buy the Pi5 8GB skew or an Intel N97 Tiny pc for retro emulation setup. Also, please compare the power usage of each device. Thank you in advance

[@dim3nt0]

rpi5 does not compare, its too slow

[@KetsubanSolo]

Basically go for the Intel if you want to emulate stuff like Gamecube/Wii reliably, go for the Pi it you want to save electricity lmao

[@dim3nt0]

@@KetsubanSolo i beleive this h4 draws same power as rpi5 on idle

[@tebo2286]

@@dim3nt0 I have watched recent Pi5 8GB emulation performance YT videos so I kind of have an idea, but it would be nice to see a head-to-head shoot between the two devices

[@tebo2286]

@@KetsubanSolo I'm glad you're having a good laugh at my expense and don't worry about it it's all good. All the same, I would still like to see the comparison

[@AndrewTSq]

I do not think it is low cost.. I get 8GB ram and 256GB NVME + a case, if I buy a mini N100 pc instead,

[@bigboyshassen59]

exactly, even an rpi5 + case + 256 nvme + nvme hat just saves you $20-$30 from a beelink s12 pro. who is buying these devices

[@axescar]

Or you can go different way. Thin mitx board on 1700 socket with something like g7400 will beat this odroid. For N300 variant you can choose 12400 as a competitor

[@LisSolitudinous]

@@axescar even am4 mini itx and something with vega will be better + there'll be room for upgrades.

[@axescar]

@@LisSolitudinous agree, but only thin mitx board with DC plug that I know is one in Asrock X300. With Intel it's easier to find one

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😶

[@floppydisk4500]

If that volume drop right before the advertisement was intentional, then that's reminding me of early 2000's television all of a sudden... It was an accident then. Oops...

[@DavidHuffTexas]

The plus model with the two ethernet interfaces looks like it might make a nice platform for an OPNSense router. Know of anyone who has tried that ?

[@tatageek]

Topton N100 with 4 2.5g NICs is more than enough for OPNsense router even with VPN. Odroid H4 with N97 is also capable to do so.

[@Neopulse00]

I'm surprised they came out with a replacement to the H3+ so damn fast already.

[@AMV12S]

x86 Small Block Chevy 🤙🤙

[@4evrplan]

Hey ETAP, is the reason you test with OG Skyrim because it's less demanding than SE? I'd actually like to see how these low end systems handle SE. Same goes for PC emulation on phones.

[@sndrs]

Ah yes my favourite game is also L$D2

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

I remember having so much trouble getting odroid to do what i wanted it to do as far as emulation goes. It was such a hassle. I was expecting like a more powerful raspberry pi but man it was just different. Then the Steam Deck came out and iI forgot about all of that lol

[@jierenzheng7670]

How is the power consumption like?

[@matiasm.3124]

Do a benchmark test vs the last raspberry pi

[@phychmasher]

Why was the CPU pegged at 100% utilization when you were just sitting on the desktop?

[@_evildoer]

"microphone out" WTF is a microphone out?

[@hankhulator5007]

He made an error (go get tar and feathers !), I checked on their site and it is labelled : Audio IN & Audio OUT (duno why they use sockets with black plastic instead of the usual red and green:/)

[@Lurch-Bot1]

Same thing as a headphone in.

[@ajmontpetit01]

Great first look! How would this perform as a NextCloud server? Looking to build an SBC NextCloud at home, and starting the research now.

[@hankhulator5007]

It should perform quite well, as NextCloud doesn't eat a lot of resources.

[@omegaturkey9249]

100% cpu usage 👀

[@LisSolitudinous]

yeah, noticed that too xD Only running task manager and it already reaches into 100%

[@Delacroid]

maybe updates from windows

[@ranjitmandal1612]

☠️

[@betag24cn]

it is a n100, what else do you expect from a low cost celeron?

[@fbelard]

I want to click that processes tab so bad but I know it's a video, c'mon don't leave us itching like this

[@Lottofatto]

8:45 I love me some L$D2

[@Twitch_Moderator]

*You can get a Minisforum with an 8 core AMD processor and a 780m or 890m (soon) and that iGPU is equal to a GTX 1660. So, why go this route?*

[@ytnimal]

@@Twitch_Moderator Different price segments. Different use cases aswell, these offer more value for people tinkering or doing kubernete's Proxmox EXSi and other things.

[@SwordfighterRed]

Form factor. That's usually the answer with these.

[@Lurch-Bot1]

The 780m gets spanked by the 1660. It is literally half the performance of a 1660 super. The 780m can't even match the performance of the old GDDR5 version of the GTX 1650.

[@ytnimal]

@@Lurch-Bot1 You are right. 780M does somewherre between laptop 1050ti and 1650. Its not bad for iGPU.

[@tschorsch]

The cost difference is huge.

[@seethruhead7119]

Can you try a gpu connected via the nvme port? I think this would be a pretty cool board to use as a CRT emudriver PC with my ATI HD 4550 GPU Also could be a very cost effective 3 node proxmox/k8s cluster.

[@betag24cn]

why would you buy a router board with a soldered n100 a external gpu, do you like to waste money and torture yourself? do not waste time buy one of those oculink on board units and waste money there

[@seethruhead7119]

@@betag24cn because it's way cheaper? seems perfect for a tiny cheap emulation pc

[@ewenchan1239]

Two things: 1) No links in the description for the product at all (contrary to what the video states). 2) No power consumption figures?

[@Monarchias]

I hope they have a case that supports that 4 sata ports. If you want to populate all slots.

[@hankhulator5007]

Yup, they have one, it is made of armed epoxy (d° PCBs), stacks 4×3"1/2 HDDz plus the H4+ on top of them, plus you have the cutting to add a 4 ports switch card screwed under the H4+ - HDDz are attached with screws but the box itself is only push/pull assembly. :) Note that with the 2 available USB 3.0 ports, you can add 2+2 3"1/2 HDDz (or 2"1/2) in USB disks vertical holder (usually supplied w/ a 12V/3A power supply), or only 2 and add a USB 3.0 5Gbps Ethernet dongle or even only 4 HDD plus 2×5Gbps Ethernet dongle, making it quite a good and fast file server.

[@cybernit3]

Be good if ODroid made an Snapdragom X Elite Arm sbc.

[@Lurch-Bot1]

Keep dreaming

[@dankmemeclips]

100 percent cpu usage is concerning with not much installed, im Worried in a few years it might start getting laggy with future windows updates. yeeeeaaaahhhhh

[@hankhulator5007]

Yeah, but it is window$, so as usual it is a non sens. ;-p)

[@CGoody564]

That's windows for ya boss

[@tschorsch]

Don't use windows.

[@hammersampson]

I noticed the CPU was above 90% at idle (in Windows 11) near the end of the video.😂

[@TheBoySquared]

Hi ETA, I have a question. Do you know what is the chipset of the Odroid H4?

[@RealMTBAddict]

Intel N97

[@RealMTBAddict]

The HC4 Ultra uses a more powerful cpu

[@rochellerochelle1488]

Why don't they make a board in the shape of the framework laptop mainboard? those guys have insane prices.

[@pweddy1]

It’s hilarious that this is in the same ballpark as a 2020 MacBook Air with an Intel processor. Can you turn this into a hackintosh?

[@danagoyette7932]

Do the DisplayPort ports on that thing support 4k 120Hz output? I obviously wouldn't expect to play games at that, but 120Hz makes a huge difference even for things like scrolling and moving windows and playing videos at 24hz without weird 3:2 pulldown.

[@lehaepta]

I bought my N100 mini PC for $100, and it included RAM, storage and USB-C with DP and PD. And the case, of course. This is straight garbage for the price.

[@husamrabie8816]

It's Beelink ??

[@lehaepta]

@@husamrabie8816 No, mine is called Chatreey T9 :)

[@KA4UPW]

What is a microphone OUT?

[@videofeed99]

I wonder how it will run with OPNSense or PFSense, the dual nic might be perfect for it.

[@dim3nt0]

why is it at 100% cpu?

[@leerobinson8709]

Windows bloat and telemetry.

[@betag24cn]

it is a atom cpu with only 4 cores, it is not a powerful pc, it is a router board, not a gaming machine, windows is not a good option for such machine

[@dim3nt0]

@@betag24cn dude go and read specs for that machine

[@betag24cn]

@@dim3nt0 i should, but, in a product presentation video, i wont bother 😂

[@dino6080]

what about power consuption idle and gaming ? ty

[@betag24cn]

it is a n100, so you can find numbers on that on other reviews, here is just the product presentation

[@BrowningRon-r4e]

Lucious Brook

[@zachariah380]

How am I several minutes in and don't know what cpu is in this?

[@LeeMcNutt]

What’s the newest system it can emulate

[@davidframe1613]

Can it play ages of empire 2?? It's a super old game.

[@hankhulator5007]

No, it can't, the Hardkernel chief engineer specified it from the beginning : "I don't want David to be able to play Ages of Empire 2 on these boards, never ever !"😋

[@dionisiorg6501]

good afternoon, how about test this machine with development ide or as a web o database server

[@mk-wz2sh]

10:00 lol, why are you testing Skyrim at 900p on low settings? This game has a framecap at 60fps,and can easily run at 1080p and higher settings. What does your 900p test prove?

[@megan_alnico]

No purchase link?

[@BlakeRenata-y4e]

Connelly Glens

[@ChaucerJonathan-d1h]

Quinten Expressway

[@AntonioWarren-s1r]

Keebler Ridge

[@CBK559ONSLAUTS]

So I am not tech savvy at all and I just seen your video on the super console x2 my question is there a console like that but will run sega Saturn n64 ps2 and more at better fps I would really like your opinion or the community I also don’t know how to install emulator or anything I’m looking for a all in one or someone who makes them and I could just purchase thanks everyone

[@jj-icejoe6642]

Winbloat at idle COU at max ! 😂😂😂

[@mando7558]

I heard the ethernet ports are Intel I226-V. Does anyone know if that is true?

[@TheBoySquared]

Yes

[@mando7558]

@@TheBoySquared Thanks for the info

[@davisenstarlord6317]

Can you try full chrome os on it ?

[@CGoody564]

Why would you use chrome?

[@betag24cn]

another router board? at least it has a ram slot

[@kuyache2]

That windows update task in the background (nothing else running) is eating up to 100 percent cpu resource, poor little SBC! Windows 11 is such a bloated mess of an OS, tiny10 is where everybody should be at but its not for the average pc user as it needs some trouble shooting/fixing to fully refine for daily use.

[@DustinHays-o5z]

Gibson Fork

[@mathdups1152]

batocera vid plz :(

[@NelsonCheryl-l7x]

Blick Springs

[@HenriettaEnoch-h6m]

Schinner Falls

[@JohnnyOsborn-t7l]

Jerel Orchard

[@PhillipWalsh-i5h]

Saul Avenue

[@LarrySinclair-z5o]

Stokes Road

[@jediknight2350]

can it run win98

[@RealMTBAddict]

Yes

[@ElviraScott-l9f]

Friesen Summit

[@BernalMalcolm-i1n]

Baumbach Roads

[@JettaHasler-n5r]

Boyer Village

[@DemetriusSmeltzer-v2h]

Boyer Common

[@TroyTaylor-i7m]

Obie Shoals

[@theldun1]

No thanks, I would stick with an AMD solution with the better IGPUs.

[@BerthaDebby-d8h]

Alaina Springs

[@tofush0e]

m.2 egpu!! sata for OS

[@EricPermenter-c3c]

Ebony Burgs

[@panjak323]

100% cpu usage just in Windows 💀

[@kazi1]

yo

[@WillBarlow-t3q]

Veum Manors

[@blacklisted4885]

I just bought a netbook on ebay for under $20. Granted probably not as fast being quite old but it has all the connections, is very small and has a screen and keyboard. These SBC's really aren't worth the cost anymore

[@tschorsch]

Surprise, you can buy older used hardware cheaper than newer hardware. The performance difference is huge.

[@blacklisted4885]

@tschorsch not huge enough to justify price of SBC's anymore imho. Never mind used, you may as well buy a mini PC. SBC's are only worth while for specific projects.

[@derekmilton8022]

Thought x86 was 32bit limiting the usable ram to 4 gb?

[@tschorsch]

Why would you run a 32-bit OS here? They're not generally up to date. Even Raspberry Pi is 64-bit.

[@christopher480]

plenty of links in the description for you to make money but mot 1 link for the device you are reviewing.......tsk tsk tsk....pretty lazy on your part.

[@CGoody564]

If they don't give him a sponsored link, he has no incentive to put it there.

[@GrantHannah-q1q]

Alicia Union

[@patrickcadette]

😁😁😁👍👍👍....

[@haideralqudihi9448]

But can it run Crysis LOL 🤣

[@FranciscoHarris-e6r]

Cremin Track

[@avalonhaze]

"Hey it's ETA PRIME back here again hawking any old shit my sponsors pay me to these days with the same sound bites I've used for the last 5 years, even if it is a bad value proposition for you the viewer"

[@xcqML]

i dont get it why paying for a single board computer with the same cpu/gpu without ram and a ssd the same price for a mini pc with the same cpu/gpu with ram and a ssd ?

[@CGoody564]

Aside from wanting to fiddle with it or use it for development, there's no reason.

[@tschorsch]

Because they're not really the same. The H4 without the extra IO is more comparable. It's only $100. This is also upgradable where the other isn't really.