OEM vs. AFTERMARKET Points - Is There A Difference?

Here's that update we promised y'all from the original John Deere 318 video we posted a few days back. We'll put the link down below to that video. Taryl asks the age-old question, are OEM points any different than these aftermarket ones? We take a dive into the topic in this here video involving these Onan points. Let us know your thoughts in the comments section. Now There's Your Dinner.
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[@akdenyer]

Dear Tartyl, from a guy that has rebuilt many car and racing magnetos. The points are probably where the difference is and the difference in cost. Chinese points will probably have Tungsten points, the US made points will be Platinum Iridium. So what is the difference? Platinum points will not pit and pile with reversing current and tungsten points will still work but will erode much more quickly. Platinum also has a much higher oxidization resistance. We had to spend 1000's each year getting platinum Iridium points discs made and I developed a process to silver solder the new discs on. Magneto points must still be available because small aircraft engines still use points magnetos. Tungsten is a grey color and Platinum is more of a yellow color. When I was doing them the discs were about $30 each so $60 per set.

[@4doorsmorewhores674]

Hope Taryl see this.

[@jonathonrossebo1783]

Aircraft engines don't have electronic ignition 🤔?

[@akdenyer]

@@jonathonrossebo1783 No the older engines are still magneto made by Bendix and Slic

[@4doorsmorewhores674]

@@jonathonrossebo1783 Not when they are from the time before electronic ignition...which there are still alot of planes around from those eras

[@alexboi32]

Good observation on the material difference. I would figure that the price difference would be on the manufacturing process and materials used. Then again, nowadays the parts could be exactly the same and the company just upcharge due to its brand to make money lol. And yes, small aircraft engines still uses the old style mags with points. Mainly because of FAA regulations since no modifications can be made from original equipment. If you do said modifications, or other upgrades, you’ll have to fill out appropriate paperwork like the STCs and whatnot. Hell, we even still use the old updraft marvel schebler carburetors on the engines. The system is reliable, simple and somewhat forgiving which is quite critical while being in the air. And the fact that the mags with points have its own way to generate electrical energy and provide spark, this is a sure way to keep the engine running during a electrical power loss like a dead battery or failed charging system.

[@robertmailhos8159]

It's a miracle that you got those from Cummings but at least you got them from Cummings glad to see that they are made in the U.S.A🇺🇲🇺🇸

[@RuzzP]

Maybe try ordering from CUMMINS if you have problems

[@HIFlyer-wx7mn]

Loved the "update dit da dit dit dit" cracked me up.

[@georgemartinezjr]

O got to use that😊

[@thisoldmobilehomeinthewood8434]

Thanks Taryl for letting us know about the transducer, in the other video related to this unit I posted about that item flashing about what it was and you explained it:) You taught this old dog a new trick, thank you!

[@duanehenson3176]

Taryl about. 5 years ago my father in law bought a new lawn mower he gave me his 06 craftsman rider but it smoked really bad when it ran i stumbled onto your channel while searching the problem. I have never tore a motor apart before. After i watched one of your head gaskets videos i not only fixed it but i bought a torque wrench and torqued the head bolts and adjusted the valves thanks to your videos thank you for all your videos and entertainment

[@toenails.]

I just put points in my 67 Simplicity Landlord as you posted this video. I was able to get the original Briggs &Stratton points and condensor on line. Runs like a top now. Ready with the tiller mounted for spring garden tilling. Ive always set my points just by the sound and responsiveness of the engine. It has always worked for me whether its right or wrong IDK.

[@yougoof]

America/ Canada were apparently kicking ass from 1945 to 2000. The people then got soft, preferred sore bum and went out of their way to vote in idiots that were soft and preferred sore bum too. The future dont look too good, just more sore bum. There was a time when the only pain was back and sometimes putting up with the spouse.

[@beeenn649]

Don't forget, the major reasons for driving jobs out of the USA are one of the highest corporate income taxes in the world and over regulation, environmental and otherwise. You can always that the government for screwing things up.

[@CT_Taylor]

@@beeenn649 false.

[@guido2110]

All got say your scaring about my 318. But your vids have learned me greatly on other mowers to. An I do my own work. Thank's to your vids. 👍

[@Hotdaddy536]

I want a shirt with you throwing slippers over the fence or out the window..lol 🤪🤪🤪

[@Wayoutthere]

Nah, that;s for slimeball RONNIE

[@rw3dog]

Nothing beats the sound of an Onan ! Very nice

[@Wheel_Horse]

Except a Krohler !

[@SlwRpr]

Reached right over and grabbed the right allen wrench, pretty slick!

[@oldoldpilgrim7898]

Once, when working with a tiny spring that I thought I'd lose, I tied a white string to it and cut the string off after assembly.

[@ericchild8845]

Hopefully, since they are manufactured here in the States, they are quality points that will not only fit correctly, but function well for a long time.

[@aprilgeneric8027]

cummings doesn't manufacture in the united states since early 2000's. they are assembled here, meaning the holograph sticker on the box. talk to the shipping and receiving people at the warehouses proof is the bills of lading when they come in on pallets in the tractor trailers and sea containers

[@lonhoschar1943]

Good video!! Cleared up my uncertaintly about points gap and timing on small engines. Thanks Taryl!!

[@user-bc9sz1dj1g]

Hey Taryl, Tim here, a tight .020 is good cuz as the points wear, it'll increase to a full .020, or after a while, .021....so NICE job sir!!!....SO many dont understand points, and why.......they are young, and havent been around dudes like you or me.....NICE JOB sir!!

[@bwood282]

Taryl, I’m sure you know this, but if you didn’t know- Onan used to be its own company. They used to make all their own engines and generators. They were acquired by Cummins and a that’s why a lot of the Onan parts are hard to find and expensive. Seems Cummins doesn’t care much about Onan, even though they make a really stout engine and generator. They were the best for decades

[@earlyriser8998]

just replaced the points in a JD riding mower and this gave me a few great ideas on how to make sure it is running right.

[@marcyounker6379]

Always a great educational and comical experience watching your videos thanks Always look forward to watching your new videos 😊

[@calholli]

Another thing you can do with that shorter spring is just put one or two little washers above it.. which will make it compress a bit more and make it stronger; it should still have plenty range of motion to still work correctly.

[@Hotdaddy536]

Nothing like a thursday night snack..thanks Taryl..👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@dangroce82]

One thing I’ve done to prevent threads from backing out is to use a chisel and tap the threads to make them hard to turn. Be sure not to ruin them completely.

[@pmbair]

I had the predecessor to the 318, a 317 powered by a Kohler with points. John Deere quickly realized the 17 hp Kohler wasn’t made for lawn tractor duty and switched to the 18 hp Onan. That’s what I put in my tractor to replace the Kohler when it blew up. I always had trouble with the points on the Kohler. They would constantly get dirt accumulating in the box that covered the points. The Onan replacement motor came with solid state ignition and I never had a problem with the ignition again. Other improvements over the Kohler was higher oil capacity and a filter. The Onan just worked better.

[@franknedobity2757]

i always preferred the John Deere 322 if i was to get a gasser in this frame size, the onan always seemed like it needed all the maintenance when the yanmar gas and diesel would be the ones you would never see in the shop because they always worked. the 332 being the diesel variant would often times need work to the glowplug control timer but otherwise are mowers running in which i never see because i know they are out there but rarely break down.

[@elsdp-4560]

Thank you for sharing. Thanks for the update👍

[@johngrein3325]

I Taryl. I found that the cheap points have a dimensional problem with the point spring making contact with the frame of the points. When the points open the flat spring comes close enough to short on the frame. Took me a while to figure it out. Some of the points say "remco" ( I think it was) and they seemed more like OEM. Happy wrenching!

[@eddiereichel9354]

I own an auto shop. If it's electric or goes in or on the engine OEM only. Just did a Subaru motor today customer had done a diy timing belt and water pump. He said the cheap dayco tensioner failed. I replaced the engine and used a aisin brand kit. All OEM parts. There are some parts that they sell aftermarket that just don't work.

[@donaldboley771]

You would not be able to get the timing light to work unless it was running. Because you would have to connect it to the coil wire.

[@BearE9090]

Great video, I haven't worked on points in 40 years.

[@orkidknog4147]

i have found that after so many years they can supply you none oem parts but in an original oem box at a crazy price im sure you could of got about 8 sets of cheap points for less than one cummins set and they would last longer than the dear oem ones

[@NovaBill6264]

Awesome video God Bless you and your family

[@5ryane]

You mentioned using a light for timing, we use to use a doorbell and a battery so the bell would alert the person setting the points of the timing.

[@Wheel_Horse]

Many multimeters have a 'beep' function when there is continuity also. I've used that with much success.

[@scrotiemcboogerballs1981]

Thanks for sharing

[@paulvilleneuve9628]

I just checked, they are $50.28 from John Deere. And they come with a condenser as far as I can tell. January 2018 I paid $32 from John Deere. I have 2 JD 318, a 332, and a 322. They’re great machines! The 332 is a 3 cylinder water cooled Yanmar diesel and the 322 is a 3 cylinder water cooled Yanmar gas engine.

[@MyDuckfoot]

I have a cousin that was teaching English in China. He said they would watch the the staff leave the Nike factory at 5pm then the night shift would come in and make knock off sneaker all night he told us this went on at all the big plants so both those points most likely came from same plant.

[@alext8828]

The newer set might have been a revision too. Things change over the years. Great story though. Anything to make money.

[@jeffreydavis251]

I believe I should win, well because I'm a winner. Seriously I enjoy the channel. Your work is aporeciated.

[@dynotunemotorsports9156]

Thanks for Sharing!!

[@WildHorsesOfCourse]

Sometimes there’s a difference, other times it’s the same thing that’s in the Krohler package. It’s like buying a lottery ticket to buy points.

[@starcarrier1874]

I know the Onan twins had a few issues, but I remember it being one of the smoothest engines I ever serviced.

[@stevedibiase728]

And last decades with thousands of hours with a little proper service

[@buzzedalldrink9131]

Ha! transdensor prices start over $200!!!! That makes those $70 points sound cheap!! That $70 buys a lot of Chinese points that last at least 3 years!! Save your money and just swap or replace that spring like Taryl says!!!

[@ruben_balea]

That's for other products from the same company, the "Transdenser II" used on this engine is $62.15 with US shipping included. But you still need a good set of points...

[@georgemartinezjr]

I agree it li j e Recycline

[@buzzedalldrink9131]

@@ruben_balea my mistake but still too much to add to a lawnmower. points have always worked and always will. I have a 1963 wheel horse. I just replaced the original points. Granted the machine sat for a few years, but I’ll be dead before it needs points again!!! it doesn’t need a transdensor to work just fine. But everybody’s you might want one -I don’t.!!!

[@ruben_balea]

@@buzzedalldrink9131 I still have some engines with points too, so far I only had to replace a couple condensers, the points were still fine in all of them. My other engines with electronic ignition came with it from the factory.

[@bevis226]

I always use OEM if I can find and afford them. Onan parts are not cheap but they are made specifically for there engines. I have had problems with aftermarket points sets falling apart and shorting out. I've had a few that the contacts actually welded together which overheated the spring and took the temper out of it. Most aftermarket points have some sort of softer steel contacts instead of Carbon steel contacts.

[@nickwebberdjceeskee]

Ok Taryl let’s get it!💪🏾👍🏾

[@billsmith5904]

Great video

[@NeonSuspenders]

Fire it up! Fire it up!🎉

[@browngreen933]

I had some aftermarket points with a protective coating that wouldn't come off with cleaner. Engine wouldn't run until i rubbed the points clean against a block of wood. Didn't use sandpaper.

[@chrismiesner6973]

Nice man thanks for update I like that tube squeeze

[@chrismiesner6973]

@TarylFixesAII ok like your products, and of course your humor we all need to laugh sometimes

[@1unaffiliated1]

Sounds like I remember...I wonder if you could put a tiny washer under that spring?

[@markae0]

Great video!

[@user-me4xf6bp1u]

I did switch the springs out. You gotta know what your doing with that stuff. I set mine at .020". Good enough.😎

[@Steve-O-78]

Some of the Best "Tecumesh" content on KZbin!!!!

[@heyherb]

Good video. Lots of good points 😁

[@greggthompson7]

I keep thinking this John Deere is the SpaceShuttle.

[@antoniomarc7174]

Nice work 👍👍

[@williamsouthworth5275]

Isn't it called (dwell) setting on the points, the gap? Oh yeah song of the day? It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Spring, do wa, do wa, do wa... Yeah! Taryl!

[@AltimaNEO]

Seems like those OEM points are struggling too. Brand new and already corroded. Doesnt bode well for a machine thats out in the elements. Id be curious to see how that well mower would run with the aftermarket points, but with the OEM spring.

[@scottdavidson5816]

Fire it up

[@radiatordog]

An old guy told me to final clean points with a dollar bill. Paper can leave fibers. Been using a bill on points for about 50 years.

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

👍👍

[@stevedibiase728]

My Dad used a dollar bill held against exhaust pipe outlet when we looked at used cars way back in day to see if valves were not sucking it back thus sticking....a guy can get many uses for a dollar bill besides spending it.

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

@@stevedibiase728 Same here! That was the first thing we did when an engine was running rough or had a miss.

[@prevost8686]

Where’s the Human Shop Rag to holler “fire it up, fire it up, fire it up”when you need him too? Tell him that we said hello .

[@jeffvickers9390]

Yeah, ain’t he the shop mascot.

[@chevyboybrownjb83]

Fun video testing other things. Then lock Tight. lock Tight VS super glue. VS nail polish, which one takes more torque to undo?

[@rbrtgreenland6786]

Something I do just to insure a good connection is clean the connector end on the wire

[@jimbrewer2893]

Sounds a heck of a lot better!

[@andrewchristiansen8311]

I love those old onans. Got one with scratched heads. Wanna bore/hone. You have an opinion on the Lisle 15000 rigid hone vs Sunnen? I'm guessin you have one.

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Thickness of platinum on contacts is the difference. Some go bad real fast erode contacts pitted . I think a company makes a solid state conversion for Onan to eliminate points . Mine misfires using chinesium metal points .

[@CompetentSalesUSA]

Taryl. Thank you.

[@markchriestenson3257]

You can also use a dwell meter.

[@markchriestenson3257]

And adjust it while it's running just like the old 350s

[@ericheise4051]

That tube gripper is slicker than cow spit 🐄

[@PuchMaxi]

Indeed, slicker than snail snot!

[@matthewgilmore5307]

viberation ? that is a cool set of points !

[@eddierichardson4205]

Love your videos from London Kentucky. My dad follows you as well from Hamilton Ohio. Much love keep em coming.

[@jeffvickers9390]

And we (not related)follow him from Martin Tennessee 🤪

[@bobearl7859]

I have seen a lot of companies that get Chinese parts. When they get to the United States, they throw another label on it and say made in u. SA but if you pull that whole label off I be. She find out was made in china

[@brianmoore1648]

I love Left Overs!!😊😊

[@todddewell6314]

I see your point Taryl!!!

[@davebur3350]

Me-TOO🤣👍

[@madddawg1369]

May need to check the Dwell also on the cheap with old spring. I forgot, you and I are the only ones that still own a dwell meter...

[@jeffvickers9390]

You’re not alone, I still have mine. 😛

[@JOMaMa..]

I used my dwell meter today adjusting fuel mixture on 85 El Camino

[@bjre.wa.8681]

I''d like see you use a tachometer more to set proper engine speed.

[@assassinlexx1993]

To stiffen the spring . Add washers .

[@slowride55]

How would .016 be 16 degrees and .021 be 21 degrees? A smaller point gap will advance the timing.

[@IFIXCASTLES]

What about ohming out the point resistance for each?

[@ronaldmantooth5741]

How many counterclockwise turns is appropriate for the carburetor H and Low speeds should be applied on an echo cs310 chainsaw?

[@mikelewis5758]

Do you have any relatives named Polly? You know, polydactyl... Love your videos!

[@georgemartinezjr]

😅😅😅😅

[@karatejoe5049]

I'd be curious about better aftermarket like Stens compared to OEM rather than no name Amazon aftermarket compared to OEM.

[@philliphall5198]

I generally go to Napa for points if I can’t get OEM Don’t buy the junk 😮

[@matthewgilmore5307]

no need bro, i don't win free stuff, if i did win som'n it would cost me more than it worth ! but enjoy the vids, all thums up so feeer !

[@catchup4430]

I wonder if you could convert them on that to electronic so you won’t have the points grace and peace

[@miatatommy2000]

Use a dwell meter for the point gap

[@matthewgilmore5307]

damn ! just when i thought i knew it all, you got me again Teral ! but im still young...ish

[@user-gs9id2cy2z]

It would be interesting to know exactly what " made in America" means. In this instance I suspect buying in the bits from China then assembling them into the finished article in the US is all thats required then stamp it up" made in the US" and charge a premium price.

[@stevew270]

Thanks for dinner!!!

[@mattron9326]

finger has oil on it, brake clean and writing paper works great.

[@ralphwatten2426]

I bought a set of points for my '67 Larson Eagle snow machine with a 9 horse JLO engine in it. They were made in China. I put them in and gapped them and the thing would not start. I tested them with a continuity tester and they failed. Completely useless. I cleaned up the old ones put 'em back in. Never bought snowmobile parts from them again.

[@davidgoettel1381]

Could price difference be due to the quality of the metal used in the contacts as well as them being made in the USA. If they are truly made int the US

[@rustymachineshop9456]

You didn't know it but you had another thread locker in your hand black silicone

[@fredflintstone8048]

What about the thickness and quality of the plating on the contacts? Should be cadmium plated. That will affect how long they'll last. Also the quality of the material that rubs on the cam? You have no real way to measure the difference of those important aspects in your fine shop. Springs because they're made of metal become more brittle over time. It's why we find broken springs. They're only going to work for so many cycles before they become work hardened enough to finally snap. Armed with this knowledge is it really a good idea to used the spring in your old points? I know, I know, one could argue about the quality of springs coming from Chynah, and you would have a good point, so it's a toss up.. Just food for thought.

[@brianviertel3047]

Paint pen on Allen head to see if it moves once you get em set 👍

[@eradicater4186]

That black thing looks a lot thicker on the aftermarket one as well

[@andrewb8548]

Always used "hot pink" fingernail polish on Welch plugs.

[@user-sp7kt7vw7w]

what was the cost of the after-market.

[@terryraymond7984]

so you have to put the Engine on TDC and then barely just close the points. I know older Techumseh's timed that way

[@gregorygibson5455]

Hello taryl

[@ClickinChicken]

NY Time's: Amazing detail... lol te-heh-heh-heh!

[@benjamincresswell3713]

What was wrong with the old points? And what does that condenser with the light do? I have an onan on a Ingersoll lawnmower.

[@ruben_balea]

It's just an electronic ignition module in the shape of a condenser to make it easy to fit on most cases where the capacitor was bolted to the coil clamp. It should reduce the wear of the points because it runs a smaller current through them, the spark should be somewhat stronger too. The light makes it easy to adjust the timing without external tools but I don't like the idea of such a big light, if I had to use one I think I would paint most of the translucent side with black "liquid electrical tape" leaving only a tiny hole for the light.

[@57monoshock]

Engine sounds good.

[@debi5292]

The composition of the actual contacts might not be the same. I have a Wisconsin TJD with a magneto and changed out some old points that still worked fine. The new points if the engine sits for a few months you have to use some 1K grit sandpaper on the points to get spark at the plugs. Cheap junk IMHO. Had an aircraft mechanic tell me this is not uncommon in aftermarket Chinese point sets.