The BIZARRE DRAMA Between the 1987 Green Bay Packers & Milwaukee Brewers

On September 20, 1987, the Green Bay Packers begged the Milwaukee Brewers to play a game against the Denver Broncos in Milwaukee at Milwaukee County Stadium. The game was such a disaster and destroyed the field so much that it not only impacted the remainder of the Brewers' season, but completely changed how the Packers scheduled games in Milwaukee forever. This is the story behind the crazy drama between the 1987 Green Bay Packers and the 1987 Milwaukee Brewers
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Members of the 1987 Packers:
Don Majkowski
Willie Gillus
Max Zendejas
Al Del Greco
Alan Risher
Bill Renner
Randy Wright
Don Bracken
Chuck Washington
Jimmy Hargrove
Kelly Cook
Brent Fullwood
Mark Lee
Tiger Greene
Lee Weigel
Craig Jay
Tony Elliott
Ken Stills
Paul Ott Carruth
Tony Hunter
Don King
Dave Brown
John Sterling
Jessie Clark
Lou Rash
Kevin Willhite
Kenneth Davis
Mark Murphy
Norman Jefferson
Freddie Parker
Kenneth Johnson
David King
Chuck Compton
Larry Morris
Von Mansfield
Chris Mandeville
Lavale Thomas
Anthony Harrison
Jim Bob Morris
Lee Morris
Vince Rafferty
Johnny Holland
Clayton Weishuhn
Ron Monaco
Mike Weddington
Jim Melka
Aric Anderson
Scott Stephen
Ken Jordan
John Pointer
Burnell Dent
Rich Moran
Putt Choate
Mark Cannon
John Anderson
Rydell Malancon
Greg Jensen
John McGarry
Jerry Boyarsky
Jim Meyer
Perry Hartnett
Vince Villanucci
Steve Collier
Ron Hallstrom
Travis Simpson
Ed Konopasek
Bob Gruber
Bill Cherry
Keith Uecker
Jeff Drost
Tom Neville
Warren Bone
Todd Auer
Alan Veingrad
David Caldwell
Ken Ruettgers
Alphonso Carreker
Tommy Robison
Sylvester McGrew
Jim Hobbins
Mike Estep
Ross Browner
Frankie Neal
Keith Paskett
Derrick Harden
Patrick Scott
Wes Smith
Phil Epps
Ed West
Don Summers
Walter Stanley
Corn Redick
Mark Lewis
Joey Hackett
Kevin Fitzgerald
Ezra Johnson
Brian Noble
Cal Wallace
Robert Brown
Stan Mataele
Charles Martin
David Logan
Carl Sullivan
Tony Leiker
John Miller
Tim Harris
Brent Moore
John Dorsey
Forrest Gregg (head coach)
Members of the 1987 Brewers:
Jay Aldrich
Len Barker
Mike Birkbeck
Chris Bosio
Glenn Braggs
Greg Brock
Ray Burris
Juan Castillo
Mark Ciardi
Mark Clear
Cecil Cooper
Chuck Crim
Rob Deer
Mike Felder
Jim Gantner
Teddy Higuera
John Henry Johnson
Steve Kiefer
Mark Knudson
Brad Komminsk
Alex Madrid
Rich Manning
Paul Mirabella
Paul Molitor
Juan Nieves
Charlie O’Brien
Jim Paciorek
Dan Plesac
Ernie Riles
Billy Jo Robidoux
Bill Schroeder
Steve Stanicek
Dave Stapleton
BJ Surhoff
Dale Sveum
Bill Wegman
Robin Yount
Tom Trebelhorn (manager)
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[@dbadefense1990]

Only real OGs remember County Stadium being the home of the climactic 1989 AL East tiebreaker game, where Rick Vaughn struck out Clu Haywood in the top-9th with the bases loaded; then Jake Taylor’s suicide bunt to win the division for the Indians in the bottom-9th.

[@KnightBoat]

Ever notice Clu Haywood looked a lot like former Brewers Cy Young winner Pete Vukovich?

[@pronkb000]

Haywood led the League in most offensive categories, including nosehairs. When that guy sneezed it looked like a party favor.

[@jamesrobb474]

Ricky effin' Vaughn

[@CTubeMan]

@@KnightBoat Not only that, the pitcher who faced Jake Taylor sure resembled former Dodgers Catcher Steve Yeager.

[@ppj0241]

@@KnightBoat Lol.

[@markbrian7179]

1) At least this was civil than the St. Louis drama and 2) I have a tremendous respect for NFL schedule makers who had to figure out when a team could play at the time when football and baseball teams shared the same stadium. It must have given them a major headache.

[@EdsterIII]

Extremely bad headaches. Not to mention the problems that came when the games were set, but then it rained like crazy during the football game. They DON'T call off NFL games for rain, so by the time the game was over the field, the diamond, the outfield was destroyed by cleats, tackles, rain, and destruction. By Sunday night it was a free for all to fix the field for baseball possibly the next night.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

They played the 39 championship in West Allis at the Milwaukee Mile. The 50 yardline was placed in correlation with the start/finish line.

[@trevorhembrough1290]

That had to be back before they paved that pit road into the infield. There’s no way they’d have enough grass for a regulation football field.

[@skittlecar1]

I've always thought it would be cool to have a football game on the frontstrech at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Take a lot of construction and deconstruction though.

[@TimmyTickle]

@@skittlecar1 They’d have to work around the road course in the infield. It would be better if the Bucs played a home game at Daytona.

[@raytaylor6412]

@@TimmyTickle Daytona also has a road course that would that idea impossible. Besides, the Tennessee - Virginia Tech game at Bristol proved a football game at a race course is horrendous.

[@heartlandauthor]

Bristol Motor Speedway (then named Bristol International Raceway) hosted an NFL preseason game in 1961 between the Eagles and the team now known as the Commanders. The Milwaukee Mile setup for the Packers was rather interesting. The football field was located over where the pit lane and part of the garage/paddock area are located now, so a football game at the Milwaukee Mile nowadays would not be physically possible without a ton of deconstruction and construction. In 1939, the Milwaukee Mile was a dirt oval that lacked a physically-separated pit lane (not the asphalt oval with a pit lane separated from the oval by a concrete wall like today), and the football field was located inside the dirt oval in front of the main grandstand.

[@davidchodds]

"This move backfired so heavily that the Packers NEVER did this again".... For 6 full years, and then they did do it again twice. Lol

[@Tubewings]

Here's another interesting factoid concerning this game. The Milwaukee Brewers' Triple-A affiliate at the time was located in Denver (and, yes, the Denver Zephyrs played at Mile High Stadium).

[@jetfan925]

Oof!

[@NOLASportsFan1984]

They would go on to become the New Orleans zephyrs

[@eddiejc1]

Also, the name that was picked for Denver's expansion MLB franchise----the Colorado Rockies-----was once used for an NHL team that moved to East Rutherford and became the New Jersey Devils.

[@jbj7599]

Isn't there Triple A team back in Denver?

[@Tubewings]

@@jbj7599 There was at the time, but they moved to New Orleans after the 1992 season (when the Colorado Rockies join the National League).

[@trevorhembrough1290]

I think the Packers were legally required to always play the Bears game at Lambeau in the regular season because they annually played a preseason game against the Bears at County Stadium well into the mid ‘70s (and again for a one-off in 1984). I believe it may have been a result of the fact that Milwaukee is closer in proximity to Chicago than it is to Green Bay and they may have been worried during the earlier years of the rivalry that Bear fans might’ve outnumbered Packer fans at a Packer home game.

[@pfightingpolish]

The legal part I can't speak to, but yes, the Midwest Shrine Game was an annual preseason game between the Packers & Bears that was traditionally held at County Stadium. It was a joint effort between the Packers & Bears to raise money for Shriners' hospitals. So yes, because the Packers & Bears generally got that preseason game in Milwaukee, it made sense to play the regular season game in Green Bay, since the Milwaukee crowd had already seen the Bears. It stopped being in Milwaukee due to an incident worthy of a video itself: Forrest Gregg and Mike Ditka, who had long hated each other, had to be held back from fighting each other in the final Shriners game in Milwaukee, in part due to the fact both teams were on the same sideline at County Stadium.

[@SamFergusonNE]

I am waiting for the time you say, “As a side note, to learn more about spiking the ball straight into the ground every single play, click on the card in the upper right-hand corner.”

[@CTubeMan]

But first we need some context…and a lot of charts.

[@brethurlbut2996]

Packers history always claims that they shared the Milwaukee stadium to prevent Milwaukee from starting their own NFL team, cutting into their fanbase.

[@CoopLipski]

The Marvin Fishman (Who helped Milwaukee get an NBA team) was in talks with the AFL to get an AFL team. I believe the AFL was scheduled to play a preseason game in Milwaukee in the late 60s

[@KnightBoat]

@@CoopLipski If I'm remembering my facts correctly, the AFL cancelled the preseason plans for County Stadium because they'd just entered merger talks with the NFL and thought playing in a venue that was already part occupied by a NFL team would show bad faith.

[@bemore1134]

@@CoopLipski It was definitely being considered. I believe one of the teams in the exhibition would've been the NY Jets w/Namath. '66 or '67 IIRC.

[@JWex-jy7sk]

Fun fact: Before they shared the Packers for a few games per season. Milwaukee actually had their own NFL team once, the Milwaukee Badgers from 1922-1926 The 1925 Milwaukee Badgers might’ve been the worst statistical team in all of NFL history scoring just 7 points on offense and allowing 191 on defense. Eventually they had to cut their season short through 6 games when they were unable to field a team. And were involved in one of the biggest scandals in football history when in their 59-0 loss to the Chicago Cardinals they fielded a team that consisted 4 high schoolers playing under fake names.

[@bjtgaming]

Bruhhh imagine the poor high schoolers

[@JWex-jy7sk]

@@bjtgaming What’s crazier to the story is the Cardinals were playing for 1st place and knew they didn’t want the game to go down as a no contest. So a player on the Cardinals went to a local Chicago high school to convince those 4 guys to go to Milwaukee and sign with the Badgers under fake names so they’d enough players on their roster and could play the game. The Cardinals player got banned from the league for life when the league found out about it.

[@bjtgaming]

@@JWex-jy7sk I'd like to imagine the high schoolers he got weren't even on the HS Football team and they were just the only poor souls he could get to agree to this😂😂

[@LostLakeTribune]

Sounds like Bishop Sycamore

[@jbj7599]

Oorang Ondians or Muncie Flyers entered the chat

[@stevenmandl4920]

the weather was crappy for some reason whenever the packers played at county stadium. there was a brewers DH once also back in the 90's that was postponed at county stadium. it stopped raining long enough to get the game in,but the field was too soggy

[@wilderac2250]

And that’s why the Milwaukee county stadium’s replacement, Miller Park (AF Field) is a baseball Specific Stadium today.

[@chriskay1449]

Miller Park was originally planned by Bud Selig to be a multi-use stadium to keep the Packers. But that would be at a much higher cost to build. The Packers leaving actually made it cheaper as it would be baseball only.

[@danivuk2036]

Fun fact. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won as many Super Bowls as Favre and Rogers.

[@matthewdaley746]

So, has Matthew Stafford, who I, actually, think has a much, better, chance to get back.

[@Rockhound6165]

Perceived bust Jim Plunkett has more.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@Rockhound6165 Greatest, "bust," ever, unquestionably.

[@KnightBoat]

Which means.... what, exactly? That Dilfer and Johnson were better QBs than Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Sunny Jurgensen and Roman Gabriel?

[@matthewdaley746]

@Nic Waldron Rings, are, gorgeous, nonetheless.

[@big8dog887]

Seeing Rich Karlis reminded me that I'd still like to see a video on why there were barefoot kickers in the 80s.

[@Rockhound6165]

Franklin, Karlis, McFadden. Who else? I can't think of anymore. I believe the Jets had a punter who kicked with just a sock on.

[@pronkb000]

The NFL Network KZbin channel has a piece about this.

[@Visionary_Watcher]

@@Rockhound6165 Mike Lansford from the Rams was also a barefoot kicker

[@big8dog887]

@@pronkb000 Yes, I've seen that video, but it didn't explain what the perceived advantage in doing it this way was. Is it similar to baseball players using lighter bats to generate more bat speed?

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

The Green Bay Packers started playing games in Milwaukee starting in 1933 only because the original City Stadium had (at that time) limited seating and it was for revenue purposes. The Packers usually had three or four home games in that city. The Packers homes in Milwaukee were State Fair Park (1933-49), Borchert Field (1950-51), Marquette Stadium (1952) and County Stadium (1953-94). During the Pack's tenure in County Stadium, the benches were on the same side. The players could only get to the locker rooms between the first-base and third base dugouts. In 1995, because the Packers felt they did not want give away money by playing in Milwaukee, the team played all their games at Lambeau Field fulltime. (The Packers still have territorial rights to Milwaukee.)

[@PYLrulz1984]

Also by the 90’s, capacity at Lambeau was such that playing games there made more sense.

[@bemore1134]

Borchert Field was only used once for a Packers regular-season home game, in 1933. They played there a handful of times earlier, as the visitors and/or exhibition games. They liked the idea of playing in Milwaukee but the place was woefully inadequate so they utilized State Fair Park.

[@RetroJR3379]

Both the Padres & Chargers were smart when this happened. When the Chargers played a preseason on Saturday night or Sunday in 1989 vs Cowboys the Padres would either play Thursday, Friday & Sunday or play Doubleheader Friday, take Saturday off and play Sunday like in 1993 vs Rockies

[@aaronholcomb237]

They also shared the stadium with the San Diego State Aztecs.

[@marcus813]

Despite not playing in Milwaukee anymore, the Packers still have a presence there. Due to the Green Bay/Appleton DMA/TV market's small size, the Packers' radio and preseason TV flagships are based in Milwaukee to this day instead of in their own DMA. Milwaukee is one of the Packers' official primary DMAs, so any pay-TV game involving them has to air on an over-the-air (OTA) station in Milwaukee as well as one in Green Bay.

[@chriskay1449]

That is not why they are based in Milwaukee. WTMJ has bought the broadcast rights and no GB station outbids them. IF a GB station would put in the klargest bid, they would easily own it.

[@pfightingpolish]

There are a few things I think can be added to the commentary about this. Another key component of this for the Brewers, who only reached the postseason at County Stadium in 1981 and '82, is those games against the Yankees were still key to the 1987 AL East race. The game that had to be postponed was game 150 of 162 for the Brewers, and they went into that day tied for third in the East with the Yankees at 82-67, 8½ games back of the Blue Jays and eight games back of the team that would win the division, the Tigers. They also had a series looming against the Jays in Toronto the following week. While the odds were slim of either team catching the Jays, the 1987 season had been a charmed one for the Brewers to that point. They opened the season with 13-straight wins, including the only no-hitter in the first 50 years of the franchise and a dramatic walk-off win on Easter Sunday. Then, Paul Molitor put together a 39-game hit streak that captured the city's attention after coming off the disabled list midseason. The Brewers, by that point known as "Team Streak," had every reason to think they could start a dramatic, season-ending run with that final homestand. Instead, many of the same MIlwaukeeans that would have gone to those games were still drying out their stuff from watching the Packers' quagmire and weren't in the mood to go see sloppy baseball on a sloppy field. While the Brewers did win nine of their last 13 and swept the Jays in Toronto, the unexpected day off and a split in the resulting doubleheader against the Yankees stole a lot of the Brewers' momentum, while the Tigers got hot, too, to end the Brewers' chances. Back on the topic of the stadium, though, the sloppy field may have partly been due to something that happened the year before: On Aug. 7, 1986, massive rains hit Milwaukee and flooded much of the city, with the most dramatic pictures being from County Stadium, where four feet of water on the playing surface turned the ballpark into a bathtub. Players long talked of dips and ruts in the outfield caused by the flood until they resurfaced the field in the mid-90s, only to have it flood again in 1997. In 1987, though, that uneven field surely held in a lot of water in spots for the Packers/Broncos' game. Furthermore, it's important to remember the Packers did not carry the same kind of cachet in the late 80's that they do now. They were 20 years removed from Super Bowl glory and the laughing stock of the league for most of that time. They were en route to a 5-9-1 record in 1987. As a kid that grew up in Milwaukee, trust me on this: When the Packers played in town, we often had to listen to the games on the radio -- partly because my parents were too cheap to go to games (shakes tiny fist), but also because the games wouldn't sell out, resulting in a TV blackout of the game in the Milwaukee market. Nowadays, the idea of a Packers game not being a sellout seems absurd, but it routinely failed to happen in Milwaukee until the Packers started bouncing back after the Cardiac Pack year of 1989 and the onset of the Favre era in 1992. The name of the stadium was not a misnomer; at the time, it was run by Milwaukee County government. Surely they made the move to play the Packers' game in part to simply make money, especially knowing the pending strike (which started the next week) could take away the revenue from a Packer game or two. They also scheduled a Pink Floyd concert on Sept. 30 of that year, which also supposedly did a number on the field. Had the Brewers pulled off the miracle and got to the postseason, County Stadium would have been through a lot. A lot of Milwaukeeans weren't happy with the Packers muscling their way into County Stadium to play that game, especially since the Brewers moreso held the hearts & minds of Milwaukeeans at that time than the Packers. It was truly the beginning of the feeling that maybe the Packers were better served to just play all their games in Green Bay, especially as the Packers continued to make improvements to Lambeau. For instance, while County Stadium was saddled with its black-and-amber "Smear-O-Vision" scoreboard for the final 21 years of its existence, Lambeau predated Milwaukee's outdoor stadia in having a color videoboard by over a decade. Plus, once County Stadium eschewed a temporary seating structure in left field in favor of selling seats in the permanent stands down the left field line and the permanent bleachers, the seating angles at County Stadium got really bad for about 40 percent of the fans there, whereas there's hardly a bad seat at Lambeau. Of course, Milwaukee somewhat fell back in love with the Packers as Holmgren brought them back to glory, just in time for the fond farewell of Favre's dive in the final game at the stadium. Most Milwaukeeans are still proud of the city's role in allowing the Packers to remain in Wisconsin, even those who aren't Gold Package holders - and for those who aren't aware, the Gold Package draws a direct lineage to those who held tickets to the Milwaukee games. But yeah, I remember this game at age five. It was my first exposure to the idea a football game could end in a tie. And, having grown up in a sports-loving family where baseball generally came first, I remember no one in the family was particularly happy the game messed up County Stadium like it did.

[@CTubeMan]

Great insights!

[@KnightBoat]

You hit the nail on the head. I grew up in Brown Deer in the 80s and remember things much the same. I had relatives "up north" who were complaining that the Milwaukee fans weren't as passionate. But we had a Brewers team with future HOFers that was always chasing pennants, and a Bucks team that were always contenders in the NBA East. How were were supposed to uphold that passion for a Packers team whose season was always all but over by mid-october?

[@jrbr549]

I think it was in '86 when they used a helicopter to dry the field. And I was at the Pink Floyd concert. Folks were messing with the field all night.

[@scottschneider7401]

This is a GREAT rendition of the atmosphere that surrounded these teams and franchises during this time. Thank you for covering all the bases 😁.

[@westholmes2001]

The Broncos tie against the Packers in 1987 would be the deciding factor in the Broncos getting home field for the AFC playoffs as they finished 10-4-1 compared to the Browns finish of 10-5. During the 1987 players strike, the Week 3 games were canceled and never made up. The Broncos opponent for Week 3? The Cleveland Browns on Monday night in Cleveland in an AFC Championship rematch! Had the Week 3 games been rescheduled, that game would’ve been for home field in the AFC playoffs! The Fumble may not of happened if the NFL rescheduled the Week 3 1987 games!

[@matthewdaley746]

Earnest Byner, was, careless, with, the football, Webster Slaughter didn't even try to tackle the approaching defender, and, they, weren't, winning, the, SB, anyway.

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 It still would have been nice to get there in '86 or '87, even though i wouldn't have expected to win either game. ('89 was whatever--I don't have much interest in seeing the Browns get waxed by a nigh-unstoppable 49ers team).

[@Steve_Hunts96]

@@matthewdaley746 If Super Bowl XXII had been Cleveland vs Washington, I would’ve taken the Browns.

[@matthewdaley746]

@pronkb000 Those, Giants, were, invincible.

[@matthewdaley746]

​@Steve_Hunts96 I'm, far, less, confident.

[@WillWatchAnything]

I went to a few Packer games at County Stadium including the final one in ‘94 against Atlanta. It was a bizarre setup with the field running at a diagonal along the third baseline, the end zones spilling out onto the warning tracks, and both teams benches on the same side of the field. It’s also worth noting that part of the reason Lambeau Field exists was because of County Stadium. The NFL basically threatened the Packers with relocation to Milwaukee if they did not build a new facility in Green Bay and thus Lambeau came into being.

[@robertrinn8252]

Lambeau Field was always around it, it was City Stadium and it had to be renovated several times and the NFL told them they had to get it renovated to their standards or else they would move them to Milwaukee, city stadium has been around since the 50s. It was renamed Lambeau Field in honor of Curly Lambeau

[@richardtherichard26]

Lambeau was just renovated. It’s been there since like the 30’s lol

[@robertrinn8252]

From encyclopedia britanica "Lambeau Field, formerly called (1957-65) City Stadium, nickname Frozen Tundra, gridiron football stadium in Green Bay, Wisconsin, that is the home of the city’s NFL team, the Packers. It is the oldest stadium with an NFL team in continuous residence but has been much enlarged since opening in 1957."

[@KnightBoat]

Not a lot of people know that. It's nice What If scenario to play with had the Packers been moved permanently to Milwaukee. You'd have had the Milwaukee Packers dynasty bookended by the Braves World Series Championship in 1957 and the Bucks 1971 NBA Championship.

[@KnightBoat]

@@richardtherichard26 Lambeau has only been around since 1957. The Packers played at Old City Stadium (GB East High School) until then.

[@gswdeclan]

RIP Oakland Raiders, now fans will never know the joy of watching football games take place on infield dirt.

[@chrisrifkin3670]

This And never know the fun of watching a game played on infield dirt in a monsoon

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

The Oakland Coliseum was the last surviving multipurpose stadium.

[@AndyM.]

AGAIN, THIS IS WHY THIS CHANNEL IS A 'MUST' FOR ANYBODY THAT LOVES FOOTBALL!!!!

[@Famijoly]

Nice work. Two baseball-football conflicts in 1987. I didn't realize that until I saw your videos on St. Louis and Milwaukee. One baseball-football stadium situation that won't make your videos because the football game involved was a college game, even though the stadium was also the home of an NFL team, came in 1980. The Astrodome was the home of the MLB Astros, the NFL Oilers, and the University of Houston Cougars. On October 11-12, 1980 (Saturday and Sunday), the Astrodome hosted games 4 and 5 of the National League Championship Series between the Astros and the Philadelphia Phillies. In between the two postseason baseball games -- yes, I said IN BETWEEN -- a Southwest Conference football game between Texas A&M and Houston was played at the same Astrodome. The college football game was scheduled to start at 7:30 p.m. Then on Monday, October 6, the Astros defeated the Los Angeles Dodgers, 7-1, in a tiebreaker game in Los Angeles to claim their first ever division championship and postseason berth. The two league championship series were best of five, and the sites of the games were determined solely by what year it was. With 1980 as an even-number year, the first two games would be played at the home of the East Division champions, in Philadelphia, on Tuesday and Wednesday, October 7 and 8. The Phillies won the first game, 3-1; the Astros won the second game, 7-4 in 10 innings. That meant there would be a game 4 in Houston on Saturday, October 11. On Friday, October 10, the Astros beat the Phillies, 1-0 in 11 innings, in game 3. Game 4 began at about 1 p.m. on Saturday. The Phillies won, 5-3 in 12 innings. It normally took eight hours for work crews to transform the Astrodome from baseball to football configuration and vice-versa. They rushed it up in about 6 hours and change. The Aggies and Cougars kicked off after 11 p.m. The Cougars won 17-7 to make both teams 2-3 on the season. Then the crews worked through the night to put the Astrodome back into baseball configuration by noon. Since it was a Sunday, ABC didn't want to battle CBS and NBC, who had the NFL games, for ratings, so game 5 had already been scheduled as a night game. And, had it not been mentioned (only once during the telecast), fans around the country would not have been wise to the fact that a college football game had been played in the same venue between games 4 and 5 of the 1980 NLCS. The Phillies won game 5, 8-7 in 10 innings. Fortunately, the Oilers were in Kansas City that day, and lost 21-20 to the Chiefs. It was not unusual during the Astrodome years for there to be a UH Cougars game on Saturday and an Oilers game on Sunday; they only needed to switch out the goal posts, and the differing hashmarks were both painted on the Astroturf. In fact, my first football experience at the Astrodome was such a college-pro turnaround in October 1969. We saw the Cougars upset Archie Manning and the Ole Miss Rebels 25-11 on Saturday night and the Oilers defeat the Denver Broncos 24-21 in an AFL game on Sunday afternoon.

[@michaelcoughlin3013]

That's an example of Murphy's law. The Packers played to a tie while the Brewers' double header ended up being poorly attended to the Pinstripers.

[@crowtservo]

10 years later they played each other in the Super Bowl.

[@marcdaley]

Earth Wind and Fire reference for the win!

[@TB-vz8xg]

I am a fan of both teams. 1987 was a very interesting time (although I wasn't born yet). Between the three major teams, the Bucks had the most success, as they nearly made the NBA Finals on several occasions (damn Celtics and 76ers). The Brewers had Robin Yount and Paul Molitor and lost in the 1982 World Series and the Packers were by far the most dreadful, but had the biggest fanbase. Despite having the better organization by far, the Brewers had to give in. This video reminded me a lot about the stadium conditions. Lambeau Field until 2003 and Milwaukee County Stadium for the rest of its existence were absolute dumps and the Bucks were playing at the outdated and small MECCA downtown. If you want to do another video on Milwaukee, I highly recommend the battle for the Bradley Center which opened the following year. There were plans to place it right next to Milwaukee County Stadium, but the city was fighting for a downtown location next to the MECCA, which is ultimately where it went.

[@jetfan925]

You've meant *1993.

[@wilderac2250]

In hindsight it’s kind of ironic that the MECCA is still here but the Bradley Center is demolished and replaced by a newer arena because it didn’t fit the standards of a modern sports venue.

[@matthewdaley746]

The, 76ers, and, Celtics, were, a, combined, 2-4, against, the Lakers, in, the, Finals, the, first, loss, happened, because, James Worthy got injured, the, second, loss, happened, because, the Celtics outlasted them, their, only, other, Finals, losses, were, to the Pistons, after, their, entire team went down, and, to the Bulls, after, they got old, the Bucks had no chance, period.

[@marcus813]

@@wilderac2250 Fortunately for the people running the then-MECCA Arena (now the UW-Milwaukee Panther Arena), the Milwaukee Panthers men's hoops team found a use for it. The Bradley Center could still be here if not for a lack of investment in it.

[@wilderac2250]

@@marcus813 Marquette or the admirals could have stayed in the Bradley center.

[@naturekid1335]

As a long time packers and brewers fan, I had never heard of this incident. Another fine video.

[@travismiller4320]

Wolf and Holmgren wanted to move those three Milwaukee games to Lambeau because they said it was like playing 3 extra road games, despite Lombardi promising to never stop playing games in Milwaukee. Now Milwaukee fans can come to Lambeau every 2nd and 5th home game, yet NFL always seems to make those games night games during week… It allowed Brewers to build their baseball only stadium without worrying about football

[@chriskay1449]

That wasn't the actual reason they left. The Packers had added luxury suites to Lambeau and Team President Bob Harlan saw a lot of money being lost by having games in Milwaukee and not beingn able to use the new suites., Wolf and Holmgren may have felt that way, but the move was purely economical.

[@jackmessick2869]

You mean season tickets are only for 6 games at Lambeau, and the other two home games are for different Milwaukee-area fans? That seems wrong...

[@travismiller4320]

@@jackmessick2869 well, Green Bay fans are only paying for 6 games not 8, Milwaukee fans are only paying for 2 games not 8 or 9 now every other year

[@bobma6342]

In 1968 The first Vikings/Lions game was scheduled to be played at Tiger Stadium. It had to be moved to The Met in Bloomington, Minnesota because The Tigers were playing Game 4 of the World Series.

[@johnbaumer1022]

I’ve seen the Packers play the RAMS at County Stadium. It was really fun!

[@pk26pk26]

I can tell you for a ^fact* that while the Packers have sold out every game since the 1960s, maybe even the 50s, many of those in Southeastern Wisconsin grew complacent over the team's consistent mediocrity under Bart Starr and Forrest Gregg, that they *did NOT sell out* a few Milwaukee home games around the mid 1980s, and thus these non-sellout games were BLACKED OUT and not seen on Channel 6 (the then=CBS affiliate). There I believe were also preseason games that had trouble selling tickets to Packer games at County Stadium. Packer fans had started growing apathetic. There does not seem to be any correlation towards the quality of the opponent and whether they'd sell more tickets in Milwaukee over Green Bay. It used to be the Packers would play all their home games in the first half of the season, then on the road in the second half. Wisconsin isn't exactly this remote, desolate place anymore. Bud Selig was also a Packer shareholder, so there's nothing to the notion that the Packers and Brewers were at odds. Selig once famously complained that a new state prison and a new Bucks NBA arena built next to County Stadium would hurt Brewers ticket sales, but he never ever said an unkind word about the Packers.

[@ppj0241]

The preseason tickets used to be offered to the Season ticket holders, but they didn't have to buy them if they didn't want to. Shortly after some small crowds the Packers made season ticket holders buy the preseason games too.

[@LogoAttitude]

Blackouts of Milwaukee games occurred as late as 1992, the first season of the Brett Favre era. These games were also barred from broadcast in Green Bay due to the Packers being a 2-primary market team.

[@pk26pk26]

@@LogoAttitude I believe you are incorrect on that last sentence. The NFL had something like a 70-mile radius rule. That meant Mankato's TV station couldn't show Viking home games on CBS that didn't sell out. Understand, that Madison is only 75 miles from Milwaukee, and your claim would imply that Packer games were blacked out in Madison, and I don't think that's the case. If the Green Bay market was blacked out because of Milwaukee non-sellouts, it would be a cause celebre and initiate drastic action from Packer fans statewide to make sure they didn't happen.

[@minsub417]

How do you pop out a fifteen minute video everyday??? You're incredible, dude

[@johnnyroberts3761]

For those instances where you throw out multiple statlines (such as when you’re talking about the 1978 matchup between the Cowboys & Packers at County Stadium), it may be helpful to put up a graphic so that people can absorb that information better. Otherwise, interesting video!

[@kevingreen2400]

This game was on my 15th birthday, I was at a game that JG9 profiled the Niners/Bengals fiasco and saw that the game ended in a tie. I was thinking thats the most bizarre thing Ive seen...Little did I know...

[@mrg8581]

The good old days when NFL games were played on real grass and mud.. 9:50

[@thedominatior39]

These recent videos makes me wonder if you might start a Baseball channel

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Nah. That's more than enough things he has to do on his plate.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

Maybe down the road, but that’s not even on my radar right now. Got so much to do with this and the college football channel. Only way I’d do a baseball channel is if I hire people, since right now, this is a one man operation

[@danangell5482]

So did every baseball and football team in 1987 that shared a stadium hate each other?

[@Pensfan5919]

I think the PA teams were on good terms, and that the Gateway garbage started to go down in Ckeveland in 89.

[@manuelgrothe608]

If American Family Field fails, The Brewers should move to Green Bay Wisconsin next door to Packer’s Lambeau Field

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another game when the Packers hosted the Broncos in Week 2. This was back in 1971, when Broncos Quarterback Don Horn had a disastrous “revenge game”.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Maybe the Brewers and the Green Bay Packers players should play an Exhibition Baseball game since it's looking like there is gonna be no MLB Baseball this year.

[@wilderac2250]

Packers can no longer play any games at brewers stadium due to Miller park being a baseball specific venue.

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@wilderac How did that work out a year later lol 😂

[@ToxicSpork]

Every single player in NFL history would rather play an entire season on that Milwaukee field than one game at Veterans Stadium in Philly

[@timdere]

Calling Earth, Wind & Fire "a wise scholar". 😅🤣😝😂 Bravo with the song references in this video!

[@donaldpaluga]

Guess Milwaukee County Stadium wasn't Boogie Wonderland that day

[@aarondersnah863]

Yep. That's the way of the world.

[@CTubeMan]

In those days Packers playoff hopes were a fantasy.

[@RCVictoryLane]

5:31 for our favorite catch phrase

[@dollartwentychickentendies]

*leans in* Say the line, J!

[@Rockhound6165]

What makes this funny is that there've been many NFL/MLB teams to share stadiums which were grass. Atlanta, San Diego, Shea & Yankee Stadiums in NY, Cleveland, Baltimore, Anaheim for a bit, and none of them were the shit show this was.

[@pronkb000]

In 1975 the Giants, Jets, Mets, *and* Yankees all shared Shea Stadium, due to Yankee Stadium being rebuilt.

[@PYLrulz1984]

@@pronkb000 the Giants had been playing at the Yale Bowl because of the Yankee Stadium renovation and Giants Stadium not yet being completed, but attendance was so abysmal by 1975, that they decided they needed to get back closer to NYC, even if it meant Shea Stadium having to cram in everything it had to.

[@michaelleroy9281]

In 2023 It's a good thing there are no more stadium conflicts between baseball and football

[@chrisuncleahmad]

The frozen bratwurst of Milwaukee County Stadium

[@johncerk2618]

I was 22 years old in 1987 and lived near Milwaukee.The Packers and Brewers were Horrible then.Like the Brewers winning their first 13 games of season,then losing 13 in a row.Packers were a even bigger JOKE.What a bad bad ERA.

[@carljustinenuestro8771]

Despite that the Packers are not playing in Milwaukee anymore, I still considered them as a team from Milwaukee even though Green Bay was a little bit far from Milwaukee.

[@puffdaddy608]

love from wisconsin, my grandpa remembers this happening and he always needs to tell me about seeing them in milwaukee

[@jonahfalcon1970]

I remember this game recapped on that week's Inside the NFL on HBO.

[@jaketews938]

Should be noted that Milwaukee fans still get first dibs on 2 packers home games. Packers season ticket holders either have the green package or gold package for games. I'm not sure which "color" the Milwaukee package is off the top of my head, but, Milwaukee ticket holders 2 of the home games and green bay ticket holders get the other 6 games.

[@lsmftymf]

The County Stadium's drainage system had always been suspect. Playing field was completely submerged at least twice in the stadium's history. Should be noted that one individual who had a financial stake in both teams at the time was "Beelze" Bud Selig; he owned the Brewers and was a shareholder in the Packers.

[@KnightBoat]

Bud wasn't just a shareholder. He was on the Board of Directors.

[@penguinsfan251]

Back in 1974, the Steelers played a road game in Kansas City. NBC did not broadcast the game, probably due to the 2PM Eastern start time. KDKA TV, then as now the CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, televised the game in the Pittsburgh market. In 1975, the Broncos played the Steelers in Pittsburgh and if memory serves, there was NO TV at all. I'm certain CBS and NBC hated those 2PM Eastern starts. As pointed out elsewhere, there was a Maryland blue law that forbid any Sunday game to begin before 2PM. I remember the Steelers playoff win in Baltimore in late 1976. After the game, some crackpot tried to land his plane on the field and crashed into the upper deck stands.

[@LostLakeTribune]

You acknowledged the Expos were robbed in 1994! May you be blessed!

[@matthewdaley746]

They chose to strike, just, like, they chose trying to, win, 1-0, in 1981, that's that, no excuses, move on.

[@scottschneider7401]

This may have been mentioned in other comments but on top of everything else that went into the drama of the Brewers playing the Yankees - it has to be mentioned that the Brewers were in the playoff race that year and were trying to cement a wild card spot in the American League and were in decent shape to do so. It would be particularly interesting to find out how the Brewers fared during the doubleheader that resulted from the disaster on the field as they fell short of making that wild card during those last 10 days of that season.

[@anthonyrivera4735]

First it was St. Louis Cardinals vs St. Louis Cardinals and now Green Bay Packers vs Milwaukee brewers, this must be a new series

[@theknightswhosay]

These days they could have just played it on a different day, but everything was pretty much Sunday or Monday back then unless it was Thanksgiving.

[@stevengrvp]

we should calls this baseball/football fueds

[@thedukeofswellington1827]

How is this even a problem haha theres like 4 weeks at most when the MLB/NFL.seasons overlap??

[@ricknibert6417]

How many games in Milwaukee were postponed due to "wet grounds" over the decades?

[@jamesmichalek5406]

The team with the biggest home fan base in baseball would be the Chicago Cubs. Why else would the Brewers switch leagues in 1998?

[@ecembrew]

I wondered how you'd implement the QB spike 39.6

[@willmarkley4237]

I remember as a kid when they played in Milwaukee and I still don't get it. When you have a Lambeau I think you want all 8 in Lambeau.

[@bucksdiaryfan]

We used to see baseball diamonds come into play every fall in the NFL, but with the move of the Raiders its completely gone. There was a time when every NFL team shared a stadium with a baseball team, and now none do --- we are probably better for it

[@Fireyninjadog]

The days when the Packers played games in both green bay and Milwaukee to attract fans across the state.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

All for $ reasons at the start because the Packers were about to fold. Remember how both teams shared the same sidelines at Country Stadium?

[@mftepera]

@@daBEAGLE1017 I remember. Pretty hilarious in hindsight.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

@@mftepera it was. I dont recall any fights between teams tho. I wonder if there were any. I miss the house that Hank built.

[@mftepera]

@@daBEAGLE1017 always wanted to see a game there. I grew up near Dallas so my childhood memories are of old Arlington Stadium and terrible Rangers teams. We loved it though.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

@@mftepera ive seen many Brewer games there and a couple Packer games. Sure it wasnt as luxurious as AmFam Park (Miller Park) but the nostalgia of County Stadium was 2nd to none imfao. God Bless Texas from Milwaukee!

[@CutterHistorical]

I smell a theme this week....

[@ricknibert6417]

The Lions won the NFC Central in 1983 and nearly beat the 49ers in San Francisco on NYE.

[@frankym69]

If I was a grounds crewman in baseball, I would be absolutely fuckin pissed man. It's hard enough to protect the infield as it is. I would've decked all of those mfs, but I applaud the Brewer upper echelon for their patience.

[@jetsteeltherealdeal7827]

Harvey’s Walbangers

[@anthony0358]

Wow I forgot about this , this must be why the packers moved all their games to Lanbeau

[@marcus813]

Also, multiple renovations to Lambeau Field by 1995 made playing their entire home schedule there more feasible.

[@chriskay1449]

No. Renovations to Lambeau taht added Luxury suites did. The Packers realized they would be losing a lot of the money that would be generated by the suites if they continued to play in Milwaukee 2-3 times a year.

[@dakker5292]

I wonder if problems like this and the Cards baseball/football fiasco contributed to not having baseball and football share stadioums anymore.

[@stevenbauer4799]

Its more about owning a stadium by yourself and controlling all that revenue that comes in.

[@tygrkhat4087]

@@stevenbauer4799 Very true. In addition to the Browns, Art Modell owned Cleveland Stadium. When the new baseball stadium was built, Art lost his biggest revenue stream; which helped lead to the move to Baltimore.

[@matthewdaley746]

@tygrkhat40 Yeah, moving, "might," have sucked, but, from a business perspective, staying, was, totally, suicidal, selling, too, that's an inconvenient truth.

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@tygrkhat4087 yep. modell tried to get improvements at masoleum but that was too costly to make up for that so off to baltimore with a brand new stadium it was. Kinda hard to pass that one up.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@stevenbauer4799 Impossible, actually, were, it, not, for, the fact that he owned the Browns, people would have applauded his business acumen, in this example, specifically.

[@jeffanderson3962]

Too bad this would be John Elway's enduring memory of playing a game against the Packers.

[@ReveiwKing999]

Until 1998, that is.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

You now need to do a vid where a NFL team does a favo(u)r for a MLB team, or vice-versa, and it cements at least four or five years of good feelings between the two.

[@KnightBoat]

I don't blame the Brewers for being pissed. They were in the middle of a pennant chase and had to get their field tore up to accommodate what a joke of a team the Packers had become.

[@matthewdaley746]

Ironically, they, were, sandwiched between the states that played in, the ALCS, including the, Eventual-World Series Champions, what an oddity.

[@KnightBoat]

@@matthewdaley746 The thing is, they actually finished with a better record than the Twins that year. Had the Brewers never moved from the West to the East, they'd have played the Tigers in the ALCS in a "Ferry Series."

[@matthewdaley746]

​​@@KnightBoat Eight, teams finished, with, a, better, record, and, five, missed, the Playoffs, this, was, the year when, Divisional Play, punched logic in the face, the Oakland Athletics averaged, 102, wins, the, next, three, seasons, and, were, an earthquake away from, losing, three straight, World Series, the Twins had, another, better, Championship, season, in 1991, but, never, approached that, meanwhile, Toronto, was, good, for, three, years, and, won, twice, cruelly, ironic.

[@GetBenched2010]

The last Packer game at County Stadium was a playoff game in 1993 when they held Barry Sanders to negative yardage. Not a bad way to go out.

[@goteam1222]

Wrong

[@michaelleroy9281]

That was 1994 against the Falcons when Brett Favre scored the winning touchdown with seconds left to play 21-17

[@rattmausch]

That Lions game you're referring to was at Lambeau. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6ilgnSmqb94m6s

[@faststop4]

And it rained bad that day

[@perturabo7825]

Did You talk about the whole cowboys game just to make the spike the ball into the ground joke?

[@mrg8581]

They could barely fit the end zone in there at Milwaukee. 5:49

[@Lordjunon]

I think we all want to see the frisbee catching dog instead of the Band

[@NikeTubeStudios]

One true Packers fan would think this feud wouldn't happen given Bud Selig was on the Packers Board of Directors.

[@joshuarayborn]

My first nfl game

[@chadwickwhite6107]

Wow. ANOTHER story about 2 teams from DIFFERENT SPORTS who are WORSE than a 39.6. YES it's TRUE. The Manager of the Milwaukee Brewers AND the head coach of the Green Bay Packers should BOTH SPIKE their heads INTO the ground WHENEVER the Green Bay Packers have an OFFENSIVE PLAY!!!!

[@SurgingSpecs]

deja vu, i’ve just been in this place before

[@soxbigdog]

I remember this game vividly, Elway played horribly, but they still should have won, always wondered if Karlis wore a shoe if he makes that field goal.

[@matthewdaley746]

Story of his life, John Elway always, won, most, home Games, and, lost, most, road Games, coincidence, I think, not.

[@soxbigdog]

@@matthewdaley746 unless it was in Cleveland :)

[@matthewdaley746]

@James Howard The, Browns, were, pathetic.

[@roypavao7498]

If this was today, since the NFL is king and nobody gives a shit about baseball, the brewers would be playing in the parking lot.

[@jonirving5606]

Just out of curiosity to all older Packer fans. How did watching the Pack at MIlwaukee County compare to Lambeau?

[@stevenmiller7747]

It was terrible, County Stadium was built for baseball, the seating in a lot of places just didn’t line up to the play on the field. Lousy place to watch a football game.

[@michaelmartz8426]

When did County Stadium ever have astro turf?

[@aboriginalbrotha9947]

It never did I think

[@stevenbauer4799]

How could the brewers play the broncos? That would have been some game. Elway could have pitched a few innings. Maybe that game should have been played at lambeau?

[@colonelrobertsjr.7882]

What position did Elway play in baseball?

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@colonelrobertsjr.7882 Pitcher. He was a yank draft pick and threatened to play mlb if not traded from colts.

[@colonelrobertsjr.7882]

@@stevenbauer4799 Okay I remember seeing pictures of him in Yankees gear during the 83 Draft Documentary. It would've been nice to see him being praised by Steinbrenner

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@colonelrobertsjr.7882 yep i saw that one too. George knew he wasn't serios about mlb. It was just a bluff by elway to get his trade wish.

[@angistiew1689]

It was the Broncos last ever tie

[@wankertanker1813]

Nfl needs to return to 100% natural grass for outdoor stadiums. Fields get muddy? Oh, well. That's a part of the game. More exciting fumbles/turnovers. Tds aren't the only exciting thing in a game. Interceptions are too. Field gets worse as the season progresses? Oh, well. It's called deal with it. It might be a part of home field advantage? Not unlike a dome for those teams.

[@williamsquires3070]

Maybe if they just made it so baseball and football never occurred at the same time (i.e. have baseball season start after the Super Bowl, and end before the NFL pre-season games)? This would have also mitigated the problems between the St. Louis Cardinals (NFL) and the St. Louis Cardinals (MLB). Which was actually the subject of a video on this YT channel. 🤔

[@mfdixon1985]

Baseball season has enough early-season weather delays as it is with the season starting in late-March or early-April. Only places that don't really have issues are the domed teams and 5 California teams. If you're starting right after the Super Bowl, the California teams are going to run into weather issues, too. The solution is more or less solved now in that there are no more shared stadiums. Every now and again, you'll have an issue like Baltimore in 2013, when the proximity of the MLB and NFL stadiums kept the Ravens from opening the season in the Thursday night game. But other than that, it's fine.

[@williamsquires3070]

@@mfdixon1985 - What?!? I thought weather delays were an institutional part of baseball? 😆🤣🤗 like, It’s gotta be in the rule book, somewhere. 😏

[@danmount9462]

At least there wasn't a feud with the Milwaukee Beers.

[@michaelleroy9281]

Don't feel sorry for the 1994 Expos along with the rest of MLB they chose to go on strike

[@pfh_golf]

County Stadium > Miller Park

[@martincaidin4166]

12:51 AstroTurf?

[@chriskay1449]

For football games, they placed a strip of astroturf along the sideline for the players to stand on.

[@jackmessick2869]

@Martin Caidin The astroturf was used as a rug for the football players to stand on when on the sidelines, but they didn't stand in that area. Thus while on the sidelines they were tearing up the grass where they did stand.

[@kibitznec700]

Oh noooo, coming that 39.6 crap, gonna turn the volume off to not hear that crap.

[@wilderac2250]

Packers probably never played the bears in Milwaukee because Milwaukee is closer to Chicago (a little less than 90 miles ) than Green Bay (more than 110 miles) making it easier for Bears fans to outdo packers fans. This is still a problem for Milwaukee based sports teams till this day. Whenever the Bulls, Cubs or W.Sox are in town, the stadium is usually filled with more Chicago fans than Milwaukee ones.

[@matthewdaley746]

The fact that the Brewers fell off of a cliff, after, 1982 didn't help, for, years, the stadium, was, empty, they had a free beer promotion, a group of friends drew straws, the, loser, was, chosen the designated driver, they'd get plastered, by the, third, inning, and, leave, sad times.

[@KnightBoat]

That was true in the early Miller Park days, and in years when the Bucks are bad. But otherwise that's just propaganda that Cubs fans believe. I've been to plenty of games at Wrigley that had just as much of a presence of Brewers fans.

[@wilderac2250]

@@KnightBoat I don’t know man, when the bulls played the bucks a few weeks ago, I saw just as many bulls fans than bucks fans in the building. This was a bucks home game

[@matthewdaley746]

@@KnightBoat Cubs drought begins anew.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@wilderac2250 Bulls drought extended duration.

[@JeffCirillo]

Dude isn't being honest. The Brewers drew for shit back then. The next night against the Yankees they were also under 12,000, and the first game against Boston they drew under 8,000. These were lame duck games.

[@willisfritz4562]

I was there wet and cold no win