Really love MCMG they’re everything Meltzer pretends the bucks are.
@matthewhostetter89745 сағат бұрын
The DoucheBucks have always been discount MCMGs
@klawstecno20835 сағат бұрын
Question: did Dave Meltzer gave that much stars for The Bucks when they used to be Generation Me?
@matthewhostetter89745 сағат бұрын
@@klawstecno2083 No TNA only has ever had 1 5 star match.
@scentofslaughter88545 сағат бұрын
mcmg are the original indie shitters, you people are fn clueless LMAO
@californiansniper21335 сағат бұрын
@@klawstecno2083 funnily enough he started rating them higher after he became friends with them, go figure.
@ThatGuyX25 сағат бұрын
Mcmg are what the bucks wish they were
@scentofslaughter88545 сағат бұрын
mcmg are litereally the first ones doing what you hate about the indie shitters of aew
@ThatGuyX23 сағат бұрын
@@scentofslaughter8854 no. They're the first ones doing it correctly.
@scentofslaughter88542 сағат бұрын
@@ThatGuyX2 you wwe stans are so pathetic, even samantha is calling you all out
@cbpointblank27 минут бұрын
@@scentofslaughter8854Sabin and Shelley sell and work matches that make sense within the kayfabe rules. The Bucks don’t.
@scentofslaughter8854Минут бұрын
@@cbpointblank my friend i have been watchinf both the mcmg and yb for years, and while i still prefer the mcmg, your comment just shows how ignorant you are lmao
@Unholypope866 сағат бұрын
MCMG as WWE tag champs in 2024 wasn’t on my bingo card.
@michaellyden25806 сағат бұрын
It sure as Hell wasn't on Vince's.
@availxe86395 сағат бұрын
It was so random and unexpected it was good.
@hunterdelano5 сағат бұрын
Especially after winning the tag titles after only 2 weeks
@ChadTasteInMusic4215 сағат бұрын
My theory is that it was originally going to be The Lucha Bros before Tony Khan added injury time to their contract. I feel like they would've been in this spot instead of The Machine Guns.
@buckeyesl55 сағат бұрын
I doubt it. I think the WWE audience would be more hip to MCMG over the Lucha Brothers. In the WWE fan’s eyes, everyone that wears a mask after Mysterio is a nobody.
@davidgrider43025 сағат бұрын
I remember that epic best of Seven Matches with Beer Money Inc.
@jasonmercer57795 сағат бұрын
Yes! That's what got me into them in TnA.
@LEWwisTt4 сағат бұрын
Brilliant
@Hyde_Hill4 сағат бұрын
One of my favorite feuds of all time. Literally kept tag team wrestling relevant for a very long time.
@jj-son41584 сағат бұрын
That was truly _great_
@ButWhatIfItIs3 сағат бұрын
Oh I do wish we could have some more of that! Roode can still work and I'm sure Storm can too. The way those two work and can adapt, I don't see why not. They trally were the closest thing to modern day Midnight vs Rock n Roll Express.
@ButWhatIfItIs5 сағат бұрын
Graves described them as "your favourite tag teams favourite tag team". Well they were and still are mine. But I would interpret that as "people have been trying to copy these guys badly for years and here they are still performing at a high level 15+ years later" Also I loved the stuff in TNA with Nash 😂 whether he was in it fot himself or not, he secured those guys more TV time or attention they may not have gotten at the time (Dixie never cared one iota for her original talent) and we got Black Machismo out of it ❤
@SereneOrbitingSatellite-pp5rl6 сағат бұрын
Vince would’ve HATED Sabin voice LMFAO
@alternative75865 сағат бұрын
He would've made Sabin break up with Shelly and have him lose on Main Event every week.
@amirpourghoureiyan16375 сағат бұрын
hah 100%. after that match I didn't expect him to have that voice at all, thought he sounded like a newscaster lol
@NIITR0NIICEA4 сағат бұрын
@@alternative7586he probably would've sh&t on his girl on TV or something 🤢
@dapras4 сағат бұрын
😂 he sounds like he bats for the other team lol
@therandom583 сағат бұрын
I’ve always hated Sabin’s voice tbf. But they’re great lol
@moopert866 сағат бұрын
Nice to see them get a chance in WWE and seemingly get the rocket strapped to em. Been watching MCMG for years and years on the smaller promotions.
@vigoroushero86235 сағат бұрын
I can't believe they're already tag team champions. Triple H knows these guys are the real deal. Hopefully this turns the tide in WWE's tag team division!
@MilMaska3 сағат бұрын
"Got their break (TNA). The worst thing that ever happened to them. Loved those guys" - Jim Cornette
@Christoffski5 сағат бұрын
I'm so happy for them. I never would have believed you that AJ Styles and The Machine Guns would be allowed to make it there.
@Fuzzie_Dunlop968Сағат бұрын
When all of the tagteams were in the ring, I couldn't help but notice that Nick Aldis was about half a foot taller than all of them, and that he looked like the biggest star in there.
@SmacSBU23 минут бұрын
And that's exactly why Magnus got the monster push in TNA
@trevorscheer75443 сағат бұрын
"Suprised Shelley never did more." He literally was the TNA World Champion last year lmfao
@petebagwell6666Сағат бұрын
That's not really doing anything, tna world title isn't important
@codeunknownytСағат бұрын
Tbf that's about the same as employee of the month at McD's lol
@TheKyoput5 сағат бұрын
I always liked MCMG. They were kinetic energy at a time when that wasn't shoved down your throat every match. The X Division lads were always a treat in a TNA PPV, not the whole goddamn PPV. I'm happy to see them getting some love this late in their careers.
@klawstecno20835 сағат бұрын
I used to love FTR, but Dax really made me dislike both of the guys. Maybe Motorcity Machineguns is my new favorite Tag Team👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@romelmunoz795719 минут бұрын
WWE likes to look over the wrestlers social media shoulders unlike Tony Khan: just see what happened to Ricochet the very first week on AEW, he got on twitter war with the fans like Dax 😅
@sbz883 сағат бұрын
WWE got smart and put the tag belts on the Guns immediately. They're exactly what the tag team division needed 🔥
@rj58225 сағат бұрын
I remember when Colt Cabana was released by the WWE and returned to the indies, he would say that he was taken aback with all the Indy talent ripping off Shelley’s wrestling style….and that was like 2007-2008
@klawstecno20835 сағат бұрын
Just like the entire California Circus, Cabana thinks he is smart😂 It's easy to sound intelligent when you're surrounded by suckers🤷🏻
@karlm64134 минут бұрын
But… but Jim… think of all the cagematch rating classics they could have had against the best friends
@BrickFighter135 сағат бұрын
They made the best choice joining the WWE instead of AEW.
@ksdnsdkumar13754 сағат бұрын
AEW got Grizzled Young Veterans.
@maxxdahl60623 сағат бұрын
@@ksdnsdkumar1375 Who?
@mrowley73005 сағат бұрын
Just brings back memories of creating them in SVR games, happy to see them finally there
@ValiantWrestlingСағат бұрын
Atleast you probably won't have to make them in next years wwe game. Although them debuting this late in the year probably means they'll be dlc.
@JaculaDudek5 сағат бұрын
It's better to have Motorcity Machineguns on your roster than to not have mcmg on your roster. Or to have Bucks for that matter.
@constablekennedy77056 сағат бұрын
Still tough to believe that Chris Sabin used to Smash Velvet Sky
@Drpavel5646 сағат бұрын
I mean so did bubba duddley. Not a hard thing to do.
@WENEEDAPOCALYPSENOW6 сағат бұрын
😂 no he didn't. Him and Shelley are gay together. Everyone knows that.
@WENEEDAPOCALYPSENOW6 сағат бұрын
@@Drpavel564😂no. No he didnt.
@TheDivineFeminine166 сағат бұрын
So did Bully Ray. She must be easy to please
@matthewthomas91946 сағат бұрын
Then she dumped him for fat boy bubba ray
@ShawnBaker-d3h2 сағат бұрын
The White House. Oh my bad trying to help Jim out.
@TheTopTurnchuckle2 сағат бұрын
Alex Shelley has some of the greatest charismatic mannerisms. Very spider like
@mayerbasic70043 сағат бұрын
I remember the days when Shelley was known primarily for European chain wrestling and unorthodox submission holds.
@volodymyrbilyk5554 сағат бұрын
Paparazzi productions was actually a lot of fun and Nash takes a piss on himself as delusional sage quite a lot. And it birthed Black Machismo gimmick which got Jay over and showed he can be versatile.
@KamoMustafaWWE5 сағат бұрын
I've been a MCMG fan for a long time. I'm glad they made it to WWE and are the Tag Team Champions.
@brodo44952 сағат бұрын
Gotta love the piped in crowd during their debut entrance too
@TheTopTurnchuckle2 сағат бұрын
I wanna hear the story of shelley and sabin telling creative no when they were told to blade while wearing fat suits and mocking bubba and dvon
@FnRenner5 сағат бұрын
About 15 years too late for the boys to show off properly
@exilhamburger48024 сағат бұрын
15 years ago under Vince they would have been destroyed by someone in a 2 on 1 handicap match! Better late than never. For those guys, getting some bigger paychecks for a few years and maybe it is about transferring them to a backstage position in the future.
@mrsl2624 сағат бұрын
They would've been the poor man's version of London and Kendrick
@shawngreenidge35913 сағат бұрын
Storyline wise, Kevin Nash was responsible for Jay Lethal adopting the "Black Machismo" gimmick
@JPS475 сағат бұрын
MCMG is a huge upgrade over DIY.
@klawstecno20835 сағат бұрын
I don't think DIY is bad, but something is definitely off about their run in the Main Roster. If only they had a solid singles run before their reunion...It worked in NXT Black and Gold🤷🏻
@JT7Blu4 сағат бұрын
@@klawstecno2083 They were tossed onto the main roster with no build or character. Same with Gargano's wife and friend. NxT they had like 3 years of story between them.
@tlmass812 сағат бұрын
I think it's time to turn DIY heel.
@JPS472 сағат бұрын
@@tlmass81 And rename them "Doesn't Involve You"
@bonusbaby801Сағат бұрын
And 2 weeks & 3 matches in, MCMG are the new tag champs. And The Hardy Boyz just won the TNA tag belts last night. VETERAN TAG TEAMS RULING THE ROOST!!!
@FlyinMunky2 сағат бұрын
So happy to see MCMG in the E and getting a solid push. Also happy to hear Jim is up on them. Their best of 7 with Beer Money was so awesome. Too bad we likely won't see a hint of that these days.
@dolandarkxgrandayy69534 сағат бұрын
Jim is miss remembering the Paperazzi Productions, it was Shelley, Austin Aries, Jay Lethal who became Black Machismo, Sonjay Dutt who became the Guru, and Shark Boy who became Stone Cold Shark Boy. It gave these guys fun gimmicks.
@OVO-Adolf3 сағат бұрын
Kevin nash also didn’t steal the limelight like most wcw and wwe guys in TNA. He put the young guys first and was even sticking up for them in the locker room. He had the redemption arc hogan and hall never did.
@dolandarkxgrandayy69532 сағат бұрын
@OVO-Adolf it was also hilarious like Nash telling Jay "us black men need to stick together." And talking about his summer home on fire island. Also he gave Shelley a prostate exam. Hilarious stuff.
@ValiantWrestlingСағат бұрын
I remember all the seething people were doing when Sharkboy started doing thestone vold gimmick thinking steve was going to sue tna but steve just didn't give a fuck. 😂
@ForTheMoneyCash3 сағат бұрын
They are they smack down tag team champions now 🔥🔥🔥
@davidjsaul4 сағат бұрын
I think a lot of the wrestlers look younger these days also because nutritional knowledge is far better so a lot have far better diets, and it also feels like there's less drug and alcohol abuse too.
@Anicade2 сағат бұрын
"Didn't go anywhere after that" 😂 sabin has been X division champ more than anyone else in TNA history and the last time he won Shelly was the TNA champ
@OceanbornAngelСағат бұрын
Because these two have been strongly associated with TNA, when is Jim Cornette going to be reviewing TNA since it's starting to become quite popular again?
@mahakalavanilla62636 сағат бұрын
Great to see them in the big leagues, finally. Surprised they’ve been elevated so fast. HHH might actually be building a good WWE tag division for the first time in years. Was always the best part of 2015-18 NXT for me
@dapras4 сағат бұрын
Wait till Jim watches this week lol
@kodyepidemic2 сағат бұрын
I wish triple h was in control 10 years ago because MCMG when they were in there late 20’s were insane.
@thomasludlow86805 сағат бұрын
Shelley and Sabin were both TNA/Impact champions.
@mjdf1225 сағат бұрын
MCMG was a good signing for WWE
@MrRudyc855 сағат бұрын
What Jim said about Nash and the X division, he forgot about Lethal and the origin of his Black Machismo run.
@cjtqukСағат бұрын
I did like Sabin & Shelly back in the late 00's in TNA, they were good against pretty much anybody and they can still somehow do their high flying stuff today. Nice that they have the WWE tag titles already.
@ksdnsdkumar13754 сағат бұрын
WWE signing 40+ guys like WCW and AEW.
@muzman4862 сағат бұрын
"I hesitate to say anything positive about people now a days because you never know what theyve been up to" Yea Jim, they might commit the unforgivable sin of disagreeing with your political views...
@adamandanna55 минут бұрын
keep crying.
@muzman48637 минут бұрын
@@adamandanna Who? Cornette? Yea I imagine he will keep crying.
@evalangley39854 сағат бұрын
They won the belts this friday... That was quick...
@taylork75305 сағат бұрын
MCMG have many sons in the business, most notably Gargano and the Middle Aged Bucks (clearance rack version of them).
@AlbertGoh-h9b5 сағат бұрын
They are the OGs of modern day indie style tag team but what makes them so good are being absolute pros in the ring (can sell, takes advice from veterans, work sensibly for their shorter smaller stature) they actually respect the wrestling business a great deal to not make a mockery of it. They are everything The Young Bucks wished they were without any of their arrogant cringey toxic bs.
@RubyFlosion2 сағат бұрын
@@AlbertGoh-h9b Well said, Motor City would laugh at them and say nah you were cringe worthy jobbers in every company you've been with and now you think you're hot sh*t because you've befriended a billionaire that let's you do whatever you want to do? That's like Vince saying to Taka Michonoku "Hey pal, you know we've got big plans for you even though nobody has ever paid a penny to see you, right?"
@BlueAmerican264 сағат бұрын
Very happy to finally see them on the big stage.
@GenXeroFilms5 сағат бұрын
Alex Shelley always reminded me of WCW Chris Jericho. The Ralphus, conspiracy victim era. And Paparazzi Productions was god-tier television.
@flashfunk03734 сағат бұрын
He doesn’t have an 8th of the charisma prime Chris Jericho had lmao. Sabin and Shelley are boring on the mic.
@maxxdahl60623 сағат бұрын
@@flashfunk0373 Only charisma jericho has is "Go away, no, for real." "charisma".
@mikecuozzo97092 сағат бұрын
What does Jim mean, you never know what someone's been up to? Would he dislike them based on their politics?
@MannyIsBallinСағат бұрын
Yes he's blocked people just for uttering any pro Republican riteric
@PatSTYGСағат бұрын
Alex Shelley tagged with KUSHIDA in NXT, *years* ago.
@frankunodostres4733 сағат бұрын
jim worked with sabin and shelley 15 years ago?? I would've never guessed they were that old lmao it is definitely a rocket push to give them the titles on their first night. but we shall wait and see
@nathueil12 сағат бұрын
Chris Sabin is Bryan Danielson shaved.
@StevenMoss-yq3pg21 минут бұрын
They might sell more merch if Alex goes by Machine Gun Shelley😂
@kevinkevin55742 сағат бұрын
If Vince was still in charge I wonder what he would have renamed the MCMGs? 😂
@madbrowniac7871Сағат бұрын
@kevinkevin5574: The Detroit Tigercubs!😂😉🎤🐅👼🐅👼🤼♂️B.W.
@jayjaymontes91723 сағат бұрын
Brian does realize that both of these guys are former TNA world champions? they have done more than tag team wrestling.
@hgriff142 сағат бұрын
he probably watched them on mute in the background until a big star like jeff jarrett came on the screen from what ive heard of him watching wrestling.
@abrielrobertsson41605 сағат бұрын
I agree, they definitely brought them in to potentially use them as agents, coaches for future tag teams, since their current division is pretty weak. MCMG is one of the best around. Great pick. And I agree, Shelly had/has definitely that X factor in him to be a star from the looks to his charisma. Shame he wasn't booked right.
@ForTheMoneyCash3 сағат бұрын
The machine guns will have a crazy run in WWE for a few years retire then start working as agents
@ebransc093 сағат бұрын
Shouldn’t they have black motorcycle jackets or something?
@dolandarkxgrandayy69534 сағат бұрын
Sabin did not start late, he was TNA X Division Champion in 2003 at 21
@Healthy_Toki5 сағат бұрын
I hope they work with DIY more, that match was great.
@chamae015 сағат бұрын
Especially the parts when MCMG would physically call and wave them over to punch them and complete their "moves".
@BubbaChevy6 сағат бұрын
Good morning Jim. We love you 💯
@cctitansfan4 сағат бұрын
Very happy for Alex and Chris that they have finally made it to WWE. It may taken a long time for them to get there,but better late than never.
@gdes4063Сағат бұрын
I do not care what anybody else says, Nash trying to mentor the x-division was hilarious tv
@travisheckel37882 сағат бұрын
As someone that did the thumbnail. I apologize. I try and make them fun, but looking now…THIS ONE SUCKS. I should’ve done better
@MannyIsBallinСағат бұрын
We love you Travis
@JDotWill4 сағат бұрын
Out of all the people working in the Paparazzi Productions thing, Jay Lethal is the one that got the most out of it. Nash gave him the Black Machismo gimmick
@nygblue244 сағат бұрын
Aside from Jay Lethal and Christopher Daniels, which of the TNA "lifers" never made it to WWE? James Storm (for a cup of coffee), Chris Harris, Monty Brown, Abyss (albeit in a backstage role), AJ Styles, Samoa Joe...all did.
@cjtqukСағат бұрын
It's easy to forget about Chris Harris' brief WWE run as Braden Walker as it was lame.
@madbrowniac7871Сағат бұрын
@nygblue24: Amazing Red and maybe Trinity and certainly Miss Traci Brooks😍💃🇨🇦🌹❤ jump to mind.🤔😉😉🎤🤼♀️🤼♂️B.W.
@ericluis27103 сағат бұрын
The art work is so good with Corny creeping
@Nofunleaguesportschannel5 сағат бұрын
Glad wwe put the belts on them 🤌💪
@themidwestboyz177 минут бұрын
Bully v SabiN, I will never forget
@NGwwwyzzerdd4 сағат бұрын
Saw them for the first time this Friday in Brooklyn. After seeing them, I figured Jim would have good things to say about them after learning their history. Not sure what he’ll have to say about them winning the tag team titles.
@nickgioldasis83064 сағат бұрын
Chris Sabin looks like a very young Daniel Bryan.
@madbrowniac7871Сағат бұрын
@nickgioldasis8306: There is a Soap Opera Actor named Roger Howarth who appeared on "One Life To Live" and "General Hospital." The Facial resemblance between Chris Sabin and him is startling.🤔📺👨⚕️👩⚕️🏥🚑🚘🛣🤼♂️B.W.
@nickcervenka87563 сағат бұрын
Did alex shelly have a one-off in NXT once, or did I imagine that? James storm did, I remember that.
@insanusmaximus28572 сағат бұрын
I haven't seen a lot of their matches, but I've seen a ton of highlights. These guys are awesome.
@StevenMoss-yq3pg13 минут бұрын
What I miss is The Beautiful People hahaha They could have formed the Triple X division... Whoops 😂
@jahiddle44 минут бұрын
Reunite Beer Money and bring them in against MCMG!
@dmitrijbiryukoff7738Сағат бұрын
MCMG - best Tag team in USA, since Harlem Heat.
@NotAGarage29 минут бұрын
Puts this up and they already have the tag team titles lol
@mynameisnotearl438343 минут бұрын
The paparazzi stuff was over
@romelmunoz795722 минут бұрын
I'm sure AEW doubled the offer but the MCMG said no to job for The Young Bucks and said yes to the WWE fastrack tag team champions 😅
@geesixnine4 сағат бұрын
One of the best tag teams in TNA
@taofeng7184 сағат бұрын
Paparazzi Productions was hilarious
@kieranhardy5815 сағат бұрын
Thought i was tripping hard when they walked out.
@benespinosa67255 сағат бұрын
I'm so fucking happy that the motor city machine guns are in WWE they deserve it this was a great debut WWE'S tag team division has gotten better with triple H in-charge of creative this would've never happened if vince was still in-charge.
@matthewhostetter89745 сағат бұрын
One of the greatest tag teams of all time is now in the WWE and are champion. It is well deserved. Plus Chris Sabin has always been a favorite of mine because he chose the name "Sabin' from my all-time favorite video game.
@benespinosa67255 сағат бұрын
@matthewhostetter8974 I'm shocked that WWE put the titles on them this soon lol i like this move people on Twitter are upset by that move they deserve it.
@matthewhostetter89745 сағат бұрын
@@benespinosa6725 To me it makes sense, the Tag division is stale right now and it needs new blood. The MCMG are exactly that, plus the Tongas don't need the titles and they needed a fresh way to get the belts off them. It's just a bonus that the AEW crybabies are crying "But Whats the Story."
@benespinosa67255 сағат бұрын
@@matthewhostetter8974plus that actually made sense because the bloodline cost jey uso the IC title on raw last week.
@Christoffski5 сағат бұрын
WWE acknowledged them like they did AJ Styles. It's great to see. Pity we can't see them wrestle the Hooligans. 😅 That was first the OG indie trailblazer team that made guys like this feel viable.
@smarvin11164 сағат бұрын
Black Machismo came out of those Nash segments
@gothard559 минут бұрын
wait until they watch the next episode of Smackdown. They will have plenty of MCMG to watch then.
@jeffreymark47542 минут бұрын
Has Travis ever seen Alex Shelly? Cause he looks nothing like this drawing
@matthewhostetter89745 сағат бұрын
It's wild that in 2024 MCMGs are not only in the WWE but now Tag Team Champions. Well deserved for one of the greatest tag teams of all time, that we never thought would ever be in the WWE. While they have shitty Def Rebel music, they both still look great and this is the injection the tag division needs. Plus Chris Sabin will always shave a special place in wrestling for me because he got the name "Sabin" from Final Fantasy 6, my all-time favorite game and one he is also a fan of.
@Bulletno5 сағат бұрын
Motor City Machine Guns is 10x better than Young Bucks!
@walterclark31984 сағат бұрын
Why did they change their music smh. Well deserved tho.
@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour4 сағат бұрын
MCMG are the best tag team since The Steiners. Don't @ me.
@ryanyoung74946 сағат бұрын
People that don't understand how accomplished the guns are really haven't been watching wrestling for the past maybe 15 years future hof tag team
@jasonjimerson70464 сағат бұрын
Love Sabin and Shelley... But that crap Def Rebel entrance music is so cringe inducing. I wish they were using their indie entrance music instead.
@Thomas-kp8mo6 сағат бұрын
RAISE YOUR FIST
@SereneOrbitingSatellite-pp5rl6 сағат бұрын
Already champs !
@markusstevensakabiginfinit95235 сағат бұрын
Is MCMG in the running for best tag team of all time?... They have an impressive resume
@andrewwilliams42834 сағат бұрын
The most underrated team I have ever seen. They were unreal at their best.
@zakrowe13014 сағат бұрын
@@andrewwilliams4283I wouldn’t say they’re underrated they’re arguably the most acclaimed team of their generation
@andrewwilliams42832 сағат бұрын
@@zakrowe1301 Zak... the world exists beyond your perception buddy. They are complete unknowns to 90% of their current audience.
@zakrowe1301Сағат бұрын
@@andrewwilliams4283 that doesn’t really make them underrated, everyone who knows them, knows how amazing they are, no matter which ones ay you spin it there’s nothing underrated about them and judging from the fanfare they’ve had tells me the majority of wwes audience know who they are
@philanderphillips23096 сағат бұрын
Happy for them, yes. But they are old, and injury risks. But hey, I’m tired of the New Day and the Vikings, DIY, yawn, and AOP simply can’t get over.
@Kalbuir665 сағат бұрын
AOP can't get over because they're booked like crap. You have these 2 giant guys who are managed by Paul Ellering...and yet, they aren't booked like the Road Warriors. They should be destroying every tag team but they get made fools of in every match.
@rxnupe3 сағат бұрын
so 40 is old now????
@alternative75865 сағат бұрын
MCMG comes to WWE and instantly dominating is not what I expected at all. Usually it's a tag team or talent comes in after being well renowned and accomplished in the indies or a major company like TNA or NJPW and gets turned into jobbers instantly. I hate using the word jobbers but that's how it happened, people (modern marks) love to throw it around because they think it means "loser" as in "oh this guy looks like a loser he sucks." I have really high expectations for their tag reign.