Officially The New Best Hand Cannon In The Game

[@SayWallahBruh]

This new mode is awesome. Not fighting constant invis or titan shields is so good. Some people might argue “is it still destiny without abilities?” But honestly the abilities still are part of the game. Just not constant spam. I’m so shocked bungie made it this good out of the gate.

[@ethanhensley9355]

Plus the gunplay in this game is a big part

[@thelament]

need this gamemode in comp 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥

[@jWeslo]

It's such a breath of fresh air, especially after the Craftening.

[@lilguy325]

Its so nice not having 300 nades thrown at you in most engagements

[@Bill_Dipperly]

Games end way too quick tho. Score to end match needs an increase.

[@ashenshugar8381]

sturm has always been an underrated stat monster tbh, and with the right ornament that sight is cleaan

[@Emotional.Damage265]

Which ornament?

[@lilscrublord151]

@@Emotional.Damage265the one in the video

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@lilscrublord151it’s a nice ornament but I like the symbiosis ornament more.

[@bread9923]

Too bad the catalyst WONT DROP FOR ME

[@ib5990]

Always? Someone’s forgetting 😭😭

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

I bet it'd feel EVEN better if you had Drang on to TWO tap in Checkmate with Sturm since Overcharge rounds are 80% boost to damage

[@cerulean5032]

Isn't it 80%?

[@Lucas-m11]

@@cerulean5032 yeh it is 80%, not sure why he mentioned it would two tap in checkmate either like that wasn’t obvious 😂

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

@cerulean5032 oh wait that's right my bad. I'm tired

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

@@Lucas-m11 she*

[@lionfire3359]

Correction it's a definite 1 tap.

[@BirdMoose]

... I went flawless with Round Robin + Drang this weekend and it occurs to me I should have been using Sturm this whole time since I'm using drang anyway lol

[@Neon-Of-Ninja]

Been using it for a bit now and Sturm feels so good. I really like drang too so I’m happy to pair it as well!

[@thelament]

this gun is so clean and a stat monster, we need more exotic 120s 🙏🙏

[@CausticRonin]

Yeah, still waiting on First Curse to come back.

[@Oathfps]

Checkmate is definitely a fun twist but it should come in as a relentless playlist or a permanent mode along side with standard crucible to keep it fresh.

[@ZensivYT]

ive had sturm for awhile but never got the catay is it still possible to get?

[@SayWallahBruh]

It’s for sure still in the game but not 100% on how it drops

[@Devilsruinguy]

Day 294 asking for wallah to become the hammer of dawn aka devils ruin with wings of sacred dawn

[@davidorgeson5449]

At first I thought this was a joke... Day 2

[@Tylerino]

Keep it up bro!!! It'll happen eventually! Your an inspiration to us all

[@rickjames2009]

Come on wallah just do it 💯

[@mynameismello]

Day 300 its going to happen watch

[@SayWallahBruh]

Wishing I had that 5/5 celerity roll rn 🥲

[@Caydeson-1]

Fluted, ricochet, killing wind, celerity, stability masterwork perhaps? 80 range with an adept range mod?

[@Luketheduke12]

You didn’t put quotes around “New”

[@Red790]

@@Caydeson-1 4/5 at best

[@Imnotreallyhere1638]

I have smallbore, ricochet rounds, rapid hit, celerity, range masterwork, adept range masterwork. Perfect god roll stat monster 👍

[@Red790]

@@Imnotreallyhere1638 not a god roll, but a solid one

[@TyrantRevolverOfficial]

My old school Igneous Hammer Adept sits on 90 range, 62 stability and 90 handling with elemental capacitor - it also has killing wind. Its an absurdly good roll and I am so thankful to have it.

[@TheGonRam]

The best HC in the game is whatever you use my king

[@jonahbrown5669]

I use Le Monarque. Le Monarque is the best HC ❤

[@giga-egg]

@@jonahbrown5669 i see so many ppl praise le monarque why cant my ticcus get a bit of love?

[@KingGrippy]

​@@giga-eggIt's horrible 💀

[@Qouth]

I actually love the way sturm looks, even the reticle on the ornament you use aswell. Best ornament for it by far

[@angelousmortis8041]

It always looked like a Star Wars Blaster to me, which I like.

[@LeJunny]

I have 95 range on my Igneous not including Keep Away, that thing hits from far. I’m an Ophidian crutch so Handling isn’t a dealbreaker for my primaries and once Synthoceps gets changed they’re going to be great for close gun fights. Basically free Threat Detector

[@fotis3v480]

I mean iggy can get 50-60handling with 90-100 range rather easily so eh.

[@LeJunny]

@@fotis3v480 mine has 50 Handling, I could use Adept Handling for 60 Handling

[@BigDaddyBeefPatty]

I'm excited to get home and try this mode. The builds in destiny are becoming very powerful and they need a nerf in pvp honestly. It's awesome for pve I enjoy the power creep there. But there gets to be too many situations in pvp where there's just nothing you can do. I love that this mode focuses primary fights.

[@themrctulhu2554]

Hard agree on Igneous point. The fact that Bungie removed Quickdraw and Snapshot from it is a crime. I still have my OG with QD + SS, and it feels so much better than re-issued one

[@elliotkollar3672]

Anyone know how to get the catalyst. I sat on Nessus for like an hour doing Lost sectors and didn’t get it.

[@cyber8185]

Keep going then

[@joseluissilva6027]

Bruh, I feel you my friend. Yesterday I spent most of my afternoon grinding for that crap and nothing yet. I doubt its existence at this point lol.

[@JM-wm8ip]

I have a few old adept igneous, my best one has to be fluted / appended / rapid hit / celerity (reload mw). Appended boosts the mag by 2 which is pretty huge for this gun, its nice. One of the best hand cannons in the game for sure

[@holoreturns]

The banter between y'all is the best shit, my bet for a solid video is saving the funny moments and tossing them into a full video one day

[@joshhawkins6163]

i think perks for me can sometimes be more important than stats. my new adept igneous has keep away moving target, buffing reload, range, accuracy, strafe speed, and target acquisition. not to mention having alacrity or one quiet moment too. im sitting at like 55 handling and 100 range with KA. add on dexterity mods and it just seems to provide more overall, and can be used with conditional finality! i prefer the new perks to celerity for sure :)

[@papaspaulding]

abilites being calmed down in pvp is something destiny has needed for so long I feel, where you have builds focused around loops of ability spam inside a mode that SHOULD be all about gunplay this mode feels refreshing

[@IskaRiot84]

So what's the god roll on the old Igneous Hammer? I still have a few adepts I rarely used after they nerfed 2tapping with rampage.

[@Th3Doge]

Only gripe with this mode is the score limit I think it should be 150 or something just a bit more for more kills

[@ghostforgotten5280]

Yo what shader do you use bro?

[@kostistsiutras4373]

i been killin vex 4 hours a day, 3 weeks now in Nessus and the catalyst doesnt fckn drop. Is the catalyst bugged?

[@Orivv123]

Glad I kept my s13 adept igneous . Fluted , ricochet , rapid hit , celerity or opening shot , range mw . Has 90 range , 53 stab , 75 handling stat monster !!

[@wasabi-iy3qb]

Thumbnail looks really clean

[@SayWallahBruh]

Thank you!

[@hexalot4357]

YOOOOO wallah I was Doif in game 1, glad you got the name right first try. Funny thing is I recognized Gary first before I saw you, nice 15.5 kd lol

[@KremitDie1129]

Hey wallah have you tried a word of crota with sword logic yet? I've been using it in crucible and it's crazy consistent

[@FujiwaraDF]

1v1s in this mode instead of rumble would be so good specifically against titan overshield and like you said invis hunters

[@Welverin]

Would love to hear a video that is just your thoughts on the new game mode.

[@thealoofhermit]

so the new igneous hammer has lower handling stat than the old version?

[@NEWGHOST9]

Time is a flat circle, and so the sturm returns… And honestly almost never see ppl pairing sturm with the drang anymore tho, even though it is strong

[@kojji8558]

My favorite wallah bit is the NOOOO that is followed by an offscreen death

[@hanneskoehler6791]

Can you still get the catalyst? And how?

[@warreaver67]

Use it with drang. After drang kill, 144 crit from Sturm.

[@jaysick3868]

The animations of the sturm are ingrained into my mind, I used this gun so much when I first got it

[@Angelzvx]

Wish it was a frame, love the way it reloads.

[@Zlealot]

i love wallah just chillin with his buddies it’s entertaining

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

It would be nice if they changed the exotic perk to work with ALL side arms and not just Drang.

[@Auloma]

gary my goat for that snipe on Grim 🥸

[@HawkmoonaMatata]

It was fun playing against you on Eternity Wallah! GGs and glad you're enjoying the mode. I loooove the lack of titan barricades and warlock rifts too, even if I think Hand Cannons are maybe a bit too hot and the obvious choice, lol. Looking forward to the finer tweaks because everything else is a certified banger.

[@Ethonra]

As someone that has mained Handcannons since D1; I look forward to your thoughts on HC changes. I recently got back into D2...like a few hours ago, so the info during a match or two would be cool.

[@Subsistence69]

Hand cannons are very good again since they decoupled range and zoom

[@Ethonra]

@@Subsistence69 Oh neat.

[@Subsistence69]

@@Ethonra very neat

[@dustin_echoes]

What do you mean by old school igneous hammer?

[@SayWallahBruh]

Meaning the older one with celerity! New ones that drop don’t have this perk option anymore

[@edwinnnn]

The old igneous hammer

[@conbawn]

i have the old school igneous adept with rapid hit ECAP, stat monster on void/ arc. the ae is nice on strand as well. celerity as a back up if i run solar for the extra stats

[@Ivyxaps5]

I actually just found an og igneous hammer adept in my vault with hammer forged, ricochet rounds, killing wind, celerity or opening shot with a handling masterwork. They need to bring back celerity.

[@MyNameIsCornholio]

Man I’ve still never played the new map and I’ve reset my rank twice

[@covante4822]

3:53 You're out here looking like me every time I pop that super.

[@elomice568]

i have the old ingeous with smallbore riccochet rapid hit celerity range mw and handling adept = 87 range 55 stability 70 handling 53 reload

[@MrNutz87]

as a sniper player, i havent been able to put down sunshot. Feels incredible after the changes

[@lovmyrx7841]

Much slept on sturm/drang knucklehead combo, my go to.

[@adamstaples9158]

“Checkmate feels like a totally new game” *proceeds to fly around the map with grapple eager edge and a shotgun like normal*

[@connerobrien6181]

I have an old adept igneous with overflow and opening shot, it slaps frfr

[@GageMason]

My only gripe with the new mode is some of the ttk tuning makes some weapons so useless against others. 120s are just hyper dominant. Id like it better if they had current weapon tuning but it all of the special and ability changes from checkmate.

[@freericeandbeans7553]

What’s the god roll iggy from the past?

[@ImitationJesus]

Hoping you do make a video about Checkmate. Wanna hear your thoughts about it

[@GMurph2336]

I’m going to have to disagree. While I used to use Sturm quite a bit, the new Igneous Hammer just feels better. With keep away and adept range my roll is hitting 98 range. It’s also got higher aim assist and stability. I guess it depends on your input method and character though because Ophidians just erases any handling or reload speed problems.

[@cyan5161]

Sturm is definitely nice, but I never really liked that you can't take advantage of it's full potential if you're not pairing it with Drang. Kinda just feels like you're handcuffed into a specific loadout or you just have to use whats basically a plain 120 with juiced stats. But then again, being able to proc Storm and Stress with any secondary might be too overpowered, idk.

[@Subsistence69]

Im not a sidearm user so I do just go the juiced 120 route and I dont even care lol feels good

[@a118studios7]

It's other perk realoads the energy weapon, so with a grenade launcher you can make a Walmart fighting lion loadout

[@dalebarrs297]

This video really makes me wish we could get The First Curse back. Really miss that gun

[@omniocular]

As someone with 3k crucible kills with Sturm I can confidently say: it’s always been the best

[@AmeButCool]

I'm in the vid lmao 4:19 Goated freeze rift lol

[@dec556]

I have an adept Igneous (old version) with 98 stat range and 86 handling w/ elecap and killingwind on top after a kill. Imo its the best 120 rolled HC, unreal range.

[@ShadowChaolan]

Is that new background music I hear? It feels like I've been hearing the same thing for years now before this video. Also, I think you should do a video on your Checkmate thoughts, especially as it could help other players decide whether they want to invest time into the game mode

[@CollaateraL]

Better than a 5/5 Rose??? Honest question.

[@SayWallahBruh]

Well I don’t like comparing 140’s to 120’s since they’re just not used the same :o so rose is my fave 140 (not counting sunshot) and Sturm my fave 120. They’re both #1 for their archetype

[@CollaateraL]

@@SayWallahBruh okay awesome thank you wallah have a good weekend bro.

[@Sturm_and_Drang]

This thing has been meta ever since it’s dropped, Sturm sweep

[@pollyn9582]

Keep away opening shot with max handling igneos 3 taps fine at 40 meters with first bullet hitting max and next hitting 72’s, i would prob still use igneos over sturm

[@LuniNightwind]

You can use other weapons in checkmate but you're hindering yourself not using these HC, cause their TTK hasn't been effected

[@blufferoniandcheese3628]

was just using it like two days ago for the first time in a while. feels awesome

[@Subsistence69]

Sturm is one of my favorite guns in the game. Drang is cool too but Im just not a sidearm guy lol the wwII look of em is amazing though and Sturm is a monster

[@KFCLinan]

I love how he explained that keep aways perk with the range wasn't useful, when there are enemies close... Lol

[@Kraibotvideo]

Homie, Sturm has always been king. When you can one tap with a hand cannon for the past 4 years...ya... "the more you know"💡😂😂😂🤣🤣❤️❤️

[@nerfycat8429]

I wish I could use Sturm but I just hate how the sight looks

[@BenJAMMIN03]

yooo thats me in the vid at 4:14 and my friend was the one who freeze rifted u lol

[@ashens0ul]

The main downside is the aim assist stat is 50 while igneous is 69-79(with moving target) which can be pretty noticeable.

[@nickwinn3r41]

if you play on m&k then you don't care

[@RyZe6016]

@@nickwinn3r41 aim assist still matters on mnk just nowhere near as much as on controller why do you think perks like gutshot and slickdraw were so ass?

[@nickwinn3r41]

@@RyZe6016 if you compare these perks on the m&k and controller , it’s the same as comparing an ant with an elephant .

[@RyZe6016]

@@nickwinn3r41 so why were mnk streaming streamers complaining that they couldnt hit shots? because again aim matters on mnk just matters more controller

[@midn16ht48]

Checkmate needs to be the new mode for comp and trials right now

[@kevinmad0959]

how is it in normal pvp?

[@PoeMojoStudio]

If you can tolerate not having a special, running with Drang means you can 2-tap after only one kill with drang

[@theturkeyitalianointhefrid1725]

would old igneous be better than Sturm still?

[@MrDaemonic6]

Main problem of thew Sturm it's his impact, if look it's not vertical and this mess up all positive about this gun. Plus exotic perk not so exotic.

[@mrdrprofessoroak497]

Old igneous with the right roll still completely outclasses it in almost every way, although tbf very few people probably have that good of an adept roll. I got really lucky and have one with 90 range, 62 stab, quickdraw, and a choice between snapshot and celerity, and I prefer fractethyst over matador, so I'll likely never use sturm.

[@thanksssd]

Idk if anyone agrees with me, but I have the old igneous god roll and I just prefer the way sturm feels. I also like using Matador 64 which is why I always use sturm over igneous.

[@miss_adventure]

This thumbnail was killer 🤩

[@totallyenormous8859]

Igneous you can get 90 range, 65 handling, same stab with keep away and any other perk, that will be actually useful, I take that over +5 handling and zero perks

[@vitamindevil-g3250]

Its always been the best HC in the game for awhile... it 2 tap guaranteed after 1 kill with drang... which is the fastest ttk close range primary (non exotic) weapon in the game. I've been using this for a long time now paired with drang, and it's just too good

[@arcstaff865]

Hey look, it's saygagmebruh❤❤😮

[@SBDXCVIII]

Say Harder Bruh

[@arcstaff865]

​@@SBDXCVIIIpleasespankmebruh 😂😂

[@HoopleHeadUSA]

Would love to see with Drang!

[@ajsultani1636]

Checkmate is handholding, bows, HC’s, and the one guy ruining the party with fighting lion.

[@sparky00777]

Round Robin with elemental capacitor on arc has very similar stats

[@thanksssd]

Idk if anyone agrees with me, but I have the old igneous god roll and I just prefer the way sturm feels. I also like using Matador 64 which is why I always use sturm over igneous.

[@josephjackson9236]

I religiously used Sturm and Drang the first two years of Destiny 2, so glad its viable now

[@RagnaRebellion]

Wait the new igneous hammer has worse stats?

[@edwinnnn]

Honestly, yeah, i still have my celerity and quickdraw roll from way back and i dont really like using the new one since the old is still kinda better. Celerity just gives a boost to a bunch of stats which just makes it nice

[@RagnaRebellion]

@edwinpius8986 I also have have a celerity roll, but I don't think that's what wallah implied unless he was baiting.

[@Tehkneekz]

Foundry is not updated yet after the fall off changes, Sturm is hitting closer to 41m

[@Cardboardzz]

How did he get stompees all black?

[@SpongyBus]

Why do people always use a adept handle mod and not an Icarus they both give handling

[@marshmallowcat2456]

I love this handcannon and would have absolutely tried to abuse it in crucible with drang if the dot on the sight wasnt on the rear post. Makes it impossible to aim for me unless i'm standing still

[@quijahn8369]

Me: Just because a streamer says it’s the best gun in the game doesn’t mean anything. Them: Wallah said it. Me: *opens collections*

[@BC-ni6hp]

It hurts me that you can’t progress the catalyst

[@chrono2959]

I finally played crucible for more than a single match last night and my ooinion is.... man damn I suck at it . 2 kills in a match was my best , more often than not it was zero. I just cant get the feel for it

[@63antrod]

do you actually think 120’s are better than 140’s and that sturm and igneous are the best handcannons? even over hawkmoon ace thorn?

[@Akota999]

Ive been using this since the catalyst came out. I've always loved how the handling felt. Glad to see its getting love. I dont think its like god tier but man it feels pretty nice

[@onegirltwojackets2835]

This is the first (and only) weapon I've gotten a We Ran with

[@nitriousgd4323]

Day 7: craftable dmt (I swear it's good)