Ogre Ironblasters are INSANE - Slaanesh vs. Ogre Kingdoms - Total War Warhammer 3

[@milkandcookiesTW]

I can upload Ogre Kingdoms footage as long as I am not playing AS them. Double checked with the devs today, we are not in trouble. Relax and enjoy! Thanks to Okoii for the awesome battle and the showcase of Ironblasters, these things are beastly! You can check out his channel here- kzbin.info

[@Selakah]

Wait, aren't Ogres on embargo till Monday?

[@TechPriest97]

Aren't Ogres still under embargo? Either way I'm happy we get chunko boys content

[@samuelmcewen9011]

shit well boys this might be the last time both of them get pre release content from CA it was one hell of a ride.

[@LightningBoltah]

I hope we can see some more battles in the following days then

[@rikkikarrylmabayo2504]

@@Selakah yes but read his comment first

[@Okoii]

P’ogers my lord, amazing fight and well fought Indie my dude.

[@chainsawboy2388]

Wow no one found this yet I guess but so happy for you to get to play as your boys and on the 14th if I’m not mistaken that’s when we get to see the ogres in all their glory and I couldn’t be happier

[@worl6548]

Gg showing the raw heaving power of a buncha beefy bois dude

[@MrVlad12340]

No voice in our ears but the Pog…

[@Brent_Martin]

Indie was lucky Okoii didn't bring out the Gnoblar doomstack 😏

[@nytecrow6452]

Ironblaster Doomstack incoming for dem Ogre Bois

[@TheghostofTimmy]

They might have to tone down the "losing" bonus a bit. I don't think the devs intended for ignoring the objectives for most of the game to be the best strategy.

[@rianrodrigues8195]

I doubt it's a viable strategy for all factions

[@thefirstFlashJack]

@@rianrodrigues8195 of course it is, just with slanesh you can cut your margin to the very last second.

[@JamesCh.]

I agree. People will just ignore it and some matches will stall. If anything, player controling the VP should get a handicap, the other shouldn't be benefited though. True exact math will be done very soon and those numbers will show us how it is.

[@TheghostofTimmy]

@@JamesCh. I don't know about that, they're already getting the benefit of progress toward winning. It's just, my understanding of this mechanic is to keep the game relatively competitive until the end and lessen the chance of a complete wash. This strategy of abusing the extra supplies for free units without actually losing any value strikes me as being Domination's version of corner camping.

[@Sir_Bucket]

@@JamesCh. I think no matter the faction, getting a lot more units than your ennemy will be an advantage. I think they should stop the loosing compensation whenever the loosing side captured at least 2 points.

[@lawrenceking9300]

The funniest thing is that Ironblasters were just utterly ridiculous on the tabletop as well lol

[@shaengar7440]

Indeed. Cannons were crazy good in 8th Edition and the Ironblaster was a Cannon mounted on a Rhinox Chariot with an Ogre Charioteer that could even reroll one of the Artillery dice. It could hide in cover, pop out and shoot, didn't care for most warmachine hunters and had more wounds than a regular cannon. One of the best Units in the entire Game all armies taken into consideration.

[@landog13]

I used to run double ironblasters with an ironguts deathstar. Those were the days!

[@Kajinking]

Seems to make perfect sense from a lore standpoint. There are basically the cannons of the Greek Gods.

[@BonzoDrummer]

Not when I'm rolling.

[@mattjames2699]

@@landog13 all fun and games until Purple Sun!

[@joshuacollins9346]

Great match, but damn that comeback mechanic is borked. If nothing else, you should lose the compensation the minute you hold more capture points than your opponent. Being able to triple cap and STILL get the bonus supplies is just silly.

[@Vesarret]

Yeah this is the most obvious flaw. The losing bonus should be based on victory points and currently held objectives. If you're down 1000vp but up a capture point, it should 100% cancel out

[@Wildboy789789]

I dont even think u need a comeback mechanic... the points take a few mins to activiate, slow races can get into position just fine

[@siobhandavidson8660]

It's needed for factions like slaanesh but yeah numbers need tweaking

[@generalharness8266]

Not sure if I even agree with a comeback mechanic. There is a reason both sides should get the same resources.

[@singularleaf3895]

@@siobhandavidson8660 I am sure it'll be tweaked and mostly fixed within the first month or so of the game releasing when they have more then a 200 person pool to balance around.

[@da_BemBem]

I'm so glad Okoii finally has his big bois. I'm so happy for him. Good for him.

[@voodooozo3755]

Okoii playing ogres against you playing slaanesh. That must be a dream come true for both of you haha.

[@ahumpierrogue137]

My god Slaanesh truly is beautiful, CA has achieved their whole "Glass Cannon" shtick in a way that I never thought they'd be able to. They turned out so much better than I expected.

[@zebjensen4251]

ironic that that's exactly what killed her.

[@oldmanramblingatclouds]

"My God Slaanesh truly is beautiful" Such are the famous last words of those who passed the Six Circles 😝

[@jacobsommer6146]

@@zebjensen4251 Killed? Slaanesh ain't dead

[@zebjensen4251]

@@jacobsommer6146 what ever the framing Lord was killed by a cannon.

[@jacobsommer6146]

@@zebjensen4251 arh that's what you meant. I thought you were talking actual lore

[@Hollyclown]

I fear no man!…but that thing… *Okoii using Ogres* …it scares me…

[@TheHopesEnd]

*Heavy breathing intensifies*

[@alexf1353]

"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." Seems like domination mode is putting this one on full display.

[@saltmedicaldoctor2771]

???? How so

[@vajukal]

@@saltmedicaldoctor2771 the comeback mechanic primarily. Its so strong that it's optimal to not play the objective until you are losing bad and then triple cap the points using the comeback bonus and win before your opponent gets it. Pretty much makes the match one sided

[@bioniclefan1995]

@@vajukal Only works if the comeback player can pull it off effectively. Milk needed that triple cap, anything less and he would have lost. Okii I think put to much effort into trying to hold two points rather than just hold onto one. Had he just committed to either the middle or his side objective (closest to his spawn), he probably would have won. Slaanesh troops hit hard only on flanking charges, but a box on a point doesn't really leave flanks.

[@worl6548]

@@bioniclefan1995 Agreed.

[@aidanmattys7488]

If the most optimum strategy of the mechanic is the polar opposite of what the mechanic is trying to do, then it is the mechanic's fault, not the players'. Shogun 2's battle system is a lot better in general. Yes, there are strategies to be had to punish a player for focusing too hard on capture point control, but it generally gives you the best chances of victory to hold at least one point. However, arbitrary and nonsensical point accumulation paves the way for far more abuse. It is just a mechanic made to try act as nothing more than a bandaid for the problem of balance, without actually trying to solve the issues of balance. As a result, of course the issue will prevail, and the balance issue will only grow

[@shad0wmech]

I feel like the comeback mechanic should turn off if you have 2+ points or 3 def even if you are 1000 points behind.

[@JamesCh.]

We'll see what numbers give us. I'm sure it'll be toned down but they need to do the exact math on that mechanic first.

[@shad0wmech]

@@JamesCh. Very true. But at the moment, it seems extremely over tuned

[@Schwachsinnn]

@@shad0wmech I have seen many times where a "late game-strat" didn't work out. Let's see how it actually will be, when we get our hands on it, because I don't think that it will always be viable. I agree that they need to change the extra supply when you are the one holding a triple cap lol. This really doesn't seem legit.

[@shad0wmech]

@@Schwachsinnn yeah I think the mechanic itself is fine but the numbers it puts out for you seem like a bit much if you still get all those points while you have all 3 cap points you just end up being able to field a giant army and defend all the points. I've seen alot of games where it has happened. It just needs to be tuned a little differently

[@TerryFoxTheMan]

Slaanesh is quickly becoming my favorite army from what I've seen so far. So much room for outplay and skill expression when it comes to squishy fast units which do a lot of damage and units + abilities which heavy reward high risk-reward play!

[@jim1550]

The unit designs in this game are just absolutely amazing. Huge props to the art direction team, holy shit.

[@Palon1983]

Well, to be fair to GW: many models are a beat for beat recreation of the AoS models. For instance the iron blasters and the keeper of secrets. The work from the animators and 3d artists ist still amazing tho, I wonder which models are completely done by CA.

[@thegametroll6264]

Ogres are going to be so much fun to play. They are my most favorite and I've been waiting patiently since Christmas to download them and have a taste of just how much fun they are.

[@Icytorvo963]

From listening to your lore videos during walks to watching gameplay, its always been a pleasure to watch your videos and appreciate warhammer even more because of it. Let the hype train steam ahead for Total War Warhammer 3!!!

[@michelsfeir1127]

That early cavalry maneuver was just... *chef's kiss*. You basically cannaed the Ogre army. Always loving your content Indy, thanks for the entertainment :)

[@mitosis5843]

The speed at which Slaanesh both moves and kills things brings a tear to my eye. I will suck at them, but by Sigmar will they be fun to play.

[@denharte8670]

You must be pretty skilled using an army that can universally be killed by stiff farts and winning against some of the best farters this side of the polar gates. Bravo!

[@weaponizedlizardmen360]

Okay this gave me a chuckle lol

[@NummiAFI]

I didn't know competitive Total War was such a vibrant scene, and I definitely didn't expect I'd be so addicted to these VOD's! These are amazing and keep bringing back warm memories of a childhood hobby for me. Thanks so much!

[@majormoolah5056]

This is the first time ever that I have seen my most hyped WH 3 factions fight each other. Thank you for this, your service will not be forgotten.

[@west-vf7qj]

Wasn’t aware you were allowed to show ogre kingdoms yet but hey I’m here for it

[@milkandcookiesTW]

Cannot play as them, can play against them!

[@sebastiangralian527]

@@milkandcookiesTW so is the guy playing them breaking the embargo, im confused

[@benfawley9197]

@@sebastiangralian527 I think content creators can't upload footage of themselves playing as ogres, but can upload footage of playing against people playing as ogres

[@trixon2118]

@@sebastiangralian527 as long as the guy playing them don't release any video of it or information how it works and all, he does not break embargo

[@samuelmcewen9011]

@@milkandcookiesTW Wait wont okoii get in trouble for this?

[@jefthereaper]

Ogre kill Daemons. Daemon bodies vanish. Ogre: "No food?" *Army wide leadership decline*

[@FridayNightPlayer21]

As an avid watcher of Okoii's streams, I am so proud of his micro in this battle. It was never bad but it came a long and hilarious way! I am definitely playing slaanesh with my friends for the multiplayer campaign though 😈

[@caos1925]

there is gonna come a point soon where neither side even wants to cap early.

[@liberalideas8224]

They need to rebalance the extra supplies you get from losing. I like the idea of it, but its getting old seeing the best strat seemingly be to not take the points and really abuse those extra supplies as much as possible.

[@rhyswilson5722]

Okoii actually a mainstream WH content creator

[@roaldkamman1091]

That comeback mechanic seems a little too strong.

[@Chocolouf]

Great play by the Meme Lord Okoii himself.

[@c0mmanderKeen]

Fantastic video indy, even for your standards this one was especially juicy. The hype is strong but the battle, your casting and the gorgeous hellstriders carried this one. Cheers!

[@milkandcookiesTW]

glad you enjoyed it :D

[@jozefkeresturi2139]

This game showed what you said yesterday where you don't want to cap and have too much VP compared to the opponent

[@yanomamo89]

Okoii showing what the big boys are all about :)

[@jakewright1932]

Already seeing scenes we wouldn't get in a straight up land battle. Loving the variety domination mode is bringing, excited for future content!

[@Rokolith]

Okoii representing his people proudly. Well done me brudah

[@franlovelsimic8421]

Okoii was surely cooming so hard when he was playing them. Epic game!

[@M3GAK1W1]

I really like the screenshot or the armies at the start, yet us quicker into the action without me having to scan the field everytime the castwr mentions a different unit

[@sebastiangralian527]

did they lift the embargo already? I thought it was on monday

[@blindwoozie]

I can't wait to see the damn Ogres already

[@holdinmcgroin8639]

The exalted keeper of secrets animation are so good. They really nailed those.

[@andreabianco741]

Really interested to see a Nurgle vs Ogre match

[@DJDownes100]

had to come back to this video after some time with my hands on the game because i’m OBSESSED with the ogres. literally nothing is more satisfying than a fully fed ogre charge

[@parttimehero8640]

Man I really hope the game one and two faction will be playable in multiplayer sooner rather than later.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

Dang, you have nerves of steel: that was some amazing play.

[@williamalfonso1373]

Love the MTW2 Music in the background

[@tranquilowald9735]

Love your content! Just a great Dude. nice Battle Cast

[@loganfarrar675]

If Domination videos are going to be full of the “don’t cap till later” meta, it’s just not going to be as fun to watch. It reminds me of that South Park episode where the kids softball teams are purposely trying to be terrible and lose their games so they don’t have to play softball throughout the summer.

[@ShinForgotPassxXx]

Who would win? An exalted Demon Lord, one of the most powerful beings that Slaanesh got at her command? Or some fat dude with a giant gun.

[@SirBeast1992]

My two favorite KZbinrs duking it out. Let's go!

[@pwnerdowner]

Man I remember my Ogre Table top army so fondly. I see they faithfully adapted ironblasters!

[@blinkyrem]

Losing compensation could be a loan where you get the supplies early, but then suffer a reduction to supply generation later.

[@huuhoang2459]

Why does no one play the ogre kingdoms? Are they not available at the moment?

[@RazielNightfall]

Tbh the come back mechanic is so f*king OP. I am thinking (like previous wh mp) it won't get looked at until a few dlc down the road.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

This match pretty match sums up my feelings toward this mode. I absolutely adore new maps and terrain features, new different tactics and possibilities, but comeback mechanic doesn't work as intended. Maybe increasing starting money for players a bit would be a good idea too for more defensive factions like Cathay.

[@theholyinquisition389]

I must say, looking at this battle I'd say domination mode is not currently in a state in which I'd consider it ready for release.They really have to change the losing compensation mechanic.

[@DWith13Es]

Okoi is that doomstack guy, but honestly is really good at the game. He was doing really well this match.

[@larrybarba7757]

This seems like a problem, incentivizing players to avoid capture points so they don't give an edge to the opponent.

[@Artemira99]

Is the background music from Dawn of War 2? Sounds familiar, if so great choice :)

[@IronJoeHorn]

I like the slaanesh death animations, its clever to clear the clutter anyways to make the battles run better

[@randomtagr.t591]

8:15 so surprised to hear it, but so pleased

[@TheGerudan]

So...what happen, if no one captures a point? Will the game just go on forever? I don't see a timer counting down?

[@gplr1882]

i cannot wait to see the ogres on monday, the faction i'm most excited for

[@AintImpressed]

I wonder how Slaanesh is going to deal with strong missile factions. Dwarven and Imperial artillery is going to fuck greater daemons up.

[@CynicalScientist261]

I imagine that performance will be greatly enhanced by the fact that the demonic units simply vanished once they are vanquished.

[@floridaman3823]

Perturabo is disgusted, but approves of your use of supply.

[@steeltrap3800]

As others have said, any game mode that rewards NOT occupying the victory points as a deliberate strategy seems to have a bunch of fairly obvious problems. I suppose to be fair it might be that not all factions can cheese that mechanic so effectively. Even so, seems a bit daft.

[@スフィアマスター]

Using Dawn of war 2 Eldar BGM [For the craftworld] as Slaneesh vs battle BGM? That’s some sneaky move you got there lol

[@DaveBuikema]

Sound design on all of the muskets and cannons is so lacklustre. Why not just port the audio files from Shogun or Medieval or Napoleon or Empire?

[@ManCheat2]

Big Groms gun noise sounds pretty beefy.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

@@ManCheat2 yeah I like the Lil Grom noise. Ironblaster not so much

[@MadmanRussich]

Great music in the background. If I'm not mistaken, these are eldar?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

yep DoW2 eldar ost for some of the songs

[@R17inator]

I did not know the Ogres or the Sky Titans they looted those guns from had highly advanced recoil dampening technology.

[@ivanbianchini2950]

Best battle i've seen so far gg

[@holsson85]

Question: Does Slaanesh have any rage attack units? I'm sorry if they have and I've just missed them, but I haven't seen any in any footage I've seen.

[@AntonKlermon]

They dont

[@dominikk3643]

9:50 It's a passive regen that you get when units around you are wavering or routing, it's not the same as N'kari's healing.

[@notjake2089]

It definitely seems like the comeback mechanic is too strong atm, they probably need to dial that in... The faster factions can easily hold off the points for a massive push in the late game with way more supply than their enemy can hope to match, and any reinforcements the enemies get once the fighting really starts might not even have time to respond from slower factions like Nurgle, Ogres, Greenskins, or Dwarves

[@Rcuos]

Agreed, this looks like the opposite of fun if you want to play any of those factions

[@spacepope7867]

Think another thing to help is have everyone make a passive amount of points. That way if you try to wait so last minute and the other team is super close to winning, they can still win.

[@gizmodud7267]

But those factions are also a pain to take off the point. You can easily lose a ton of points and units trying to take a point from them. This mechanic atleasts allows a full fledged battle nearing the end.

[@Bayonet1809]

Just tie it to deployed army value, rather than victory ticket differential.

[@notjake2089]

@@gizmodud7267 I don't think that the mechanic should be done away with all together, but the scaling is pretty clearly skewed. Even in this game, if he'd just held back some of his units starting around the half-way mark, it wouldn't have impacted him since he didn't end up taking the points then and he could've made a more concerted push later that would've been even harder to stop

[@VileVamp]

The idea of giving someone a bonus because they are losing is so strange to me.

[@BoldElf5]

I think if you think your enemy is doing the supply start it is worth getting the lead then falling back to your primary capture point and holding to get thouse last points. As you won't be able to control multiple points and will get triple capped like that. But in the heat of the battle I'm sure it's easier said than done. That's just my theory on how to fight that strat.

[@Max-zj1sb]

This is my fist time ever coming across a game like total war and I know nothing about it but damn does it look fun to control and command an army. Looks so damn hard and confusing, can’t wait lol 🤣

[@mossykid]

it makes sense that slaanesh only comes into their own after taking a little punishment, the bratty little minx

[@zeldiste5980]

Great match dude ! The comeback bonus is so wild... Surely need to get rid of or at the very least really hardly nerfed :/

[@ThijsSchrijnemakers]

Those Heartseekers are.. perfection. Quite fitting for the Dark Prince.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

they are awesome

[@wendigowithaninternetconne9594]

The seduction mechanic should be pretty interesting. Imagine snatching up not only your enemies front line but then being able to have an armored front line to hold units down while daemonetts pound them from the back

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

"daemonettes pound them from the back." This pleases Slaanesh greatly.

[@aninnymouse1069]

I appreciate milkandcookies for tiptoeing around the rules to get us Ogre footage in battle xD

[@deadlyydude5522]

Can you guys not show open field battles yet? Feel like I haven’t really seen any for multiplayer

[@buurz]

Cool, round three of range meta. :)

[@Cavemanheartrock]

I've been stoked for ogres since the first total war warhammer. I'm so happy to see stuff is OP, hopefully it doesn't get nerfed into the ground. :P

[@georgeo7986]

What was bad about the sound? Listened to it multiple times and it sounded great. Was their a desync issue or something?

[@evangelosvasiliades1204]

Some people are of the opinion its not 'oomf' enough.

[@mbjohn38]

So I take it, that let the other player get the flags frist so you can build up your army?, So you can be like a wave and just crush them and at the same time take all the flags because you out number them more than two to one or worse?, What happen when you go in with what you can have for the points and use that, this way why would any one wants to have the flags frist?

[@G1ingy]

So what are those pink lights that appear after Hellstriders die? Are they supposed to be souls going to Slaanesh? If so, that's a bit odd because they're the only monogod mortals to do that. You don't see khorne warriors or cavs, Tzeentch Doom Knights, etc. having their souls get sent to their respective gods upon death. What's the lore on those pink lights?

[@RMZ1989]

All Daemons disappear just with different visuals. Nurgle's Daemons disappear in a green smoke, Khorn'e and Tzeentch's in a fire of unit's color. Mortals don't do that because they are mortals, but Daemons don't really die, when you "kill" them, they are banished to the Chaos Realm and can come back after some time. They are beings made purely out of magic, and they don't leave bodies behind.

[@Tommy9834]

Damn, those Iron Blaster are terrifying. If you see them, you better run, even if that's part fun.

[@sinisterhunter]

Pretty bois mount bears to a slick win in the end

[@nielsdejong]

Always happy to see more of your content! Any more Kislev related content in the near future?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

of course! lots more everything, including the Motherland :)

[@jazzfunk5680]

SICK comeback

[@venox3811]

I got my masters degree waiting for this game.

[@eaglewing22]

So i haven't watched a lot about domination. Your reinforcements. Do you select the entirety of tee reinforcements, or is it each type you pick is unlimited as long as you have the supplies? I know that sounds confusing and it is, but i can't think of a better way to ask

[@milkandcookiesTW]

You select the units that will be in your reinforcements. Then when you're in battle and are choosing which units to actually summon, you can call upon as many of that unit as you brought (so if you brought 5 Marauder Hellscourges, you can summon 5 of them). Once a unit is fully wiped out or called back, it slowly replenishes in your reinforcements, and once it is fully replenished, it can be called upon again. Does that answer your question?

[@eaglewing22]

@@milkandcookiesTW yes. Once wiped out they recharge. That is the piece i was missing! Thank you much!

[@davidnayr301]

As I understand it you build (during preparations) 2 armies, 1 initial force and one reinforcement with a larger gold limit. When reinforcing in battle you pay for units individually from the reinforcing army using supply. An small example: If you bring 1 gnoblar unit in the initial force, but include 2 more in the reinforcing army, then you can have 3 gnoblar units total by calling in the reinforcements. I'm pretty sure you can't summon more gnoblar than the amount you prepared for. You CAN however (I think I've heard) retreat an injured unit of gnoblars, that will then heal off the field, then later RE-summon them for their original price in supplies. I hope that answers your question.

[@davidnayr301]

Whoops... Milk&Cookies already responded... His answer hadn't loaded when I started writing, lol. Take his word over mine, obviously.

[@panosgewrgiou4088]

Yeah... Comeback mechanic should be nerfed by 50%. Furthermore, games should end at 6000 points. Tier 3 units should have more capture weight than their tier 2 and 1 counterparts. For example if Chaos warriors have 6 capture weight, chosens should have 7 or 8. Cheap goblins and marauders should not have the same with tier 3 units. The good thing with Domination is that it can be tweaked. Things can be changed easily by CA.

[@kryoaccelat9013]

i agree with the comeback mechanic but i dont understand the logic why a high tier unit would capture faster as a low tier

[@panosgewrgiou4088]

@@kryoaccelat9013 in order to add some value. Storming cheap tier 1 units on the capturepoints at the last minute seems a bit unfair.

[@samuelmcewen9011]

WAIT THE EMBARGO LIFTED???

[@marlucill9440]

nono the Cauldron from Skragg is filled with Strawberry Jam, obviously. It isn't bood at all! *sweats profusely*

[@Kilocrack]

Can You share your specs ? Runs smooth af

[@thethanor]

get yourself some one who talks about you the way that Indy talks about Heartseekers of Slaanesh lol 😆

[@abelsoo5465]

Deafening cannonball flying over the head of the Rhinox pulling the Ironblaster. It amazes me that the Rhinox do not go on RAMPAGE. What a well trained beast. Ogre beast tamers are on par with their Dark Elf counterparts in terms of mastery.

[@skeith1543]

it's probably just completely Deaf. If i recall the Gnoblar is there to poke it with a spear to get moving.

[@Delveintohobby]

Please tell me there's objective-based battles like this in single player, too.

[@thibautl334]

this trait buffing specific types of units is a great new for old factions, like grimgor and black orcs or ungrim and slayers