Range Rover Discovery Sport - pay attention to the abnormal engine noises to avoid expensive repairs

[@topsteve9898]

Very well explained and great how you clearly show the components involved.Thank you.

[@channelv5085]

Thank you so much for explaining all this information. I have the same vehicle. How much does this repair generally cost??

[@pavolzubal9702]

Does it only happen on the 2.0 ingenium engine or also on the 3.0? Thanks

[@APPLEtv4VIERACAST]

I have an XE with the 2.0D ingenium engine, I found out before buying this car new that this was going on…. They said this happens to owners that don’t change the oil often, like only the recommended every21K / 2years…. I hope that by changing the oil every 3000 miles I can avoid this happening in the long run?!? I also put ceratec with every oil change, and drive the car very VERY gentle!

[@johnr001]

I have an XF with the 2l ingenium diesel, have had the car from new and serviced every 10k miles or year whatever came soonest with flush and additives. my chain is booked to be replaced in a couple weeks because its knackered even though its been properly serviced, its just a fundamental design flaw apparently im afraid. My car is only 5 years old and 75k miles so you might have a while yet but know knows honestly. The upside is good indie garages stock and will fit the uprated chains when they sort it so the problem should'nt come back again and its one more thing to stop worrying about, £2100 though mind.

[@russellg3775]

@@johnr001 could you please tell me how you knew the chain was knackered? I'd like to know what to look for, thanks.

[@johnr001]

@@russellg3775 on startup you will hear a noticeable rattling noise for the first few seconds if your chain needs replacing, you may also hear a rattling noise on coasting or at random points when driving but not really when under acceleration or stress, always when the engine is under a low load or idling, especially during the first few seconds of a cold start. Also I think it’s probably better to be slightly cautious on replacing the chain as a £2k bill is a lot nicer than an £8k one for a new engine. Hope this helps!

[@TheSamwhyte]

It’s a shame you didn’t do a video of the actual start up noise so people know what to listen for - because without an actual noise to listen for, how is a normal person meant to know?

[@emilym794]

I came here for the noise as well..

[@glencoe8251]

You will know it when you hear it.

[@madbadger85]

I think the biggest problem here are the service intervals the manufacturers recommend. Any hydraulic timing chain tensioner uses very fine oil ways to create pressure, changing the oil every two years or at 10-12-15k miles is suicidal, there is no engine oil or no type of filtration system on any internal combustion engine that can keep the oil clean enough. Oil should be changed at 5000 miles max, clean oil never damaged any engine, but contaminated oil does!!! My Citroen Berlingo van has had its oil changed every 5-6000 miles, it’s now done 130000 plus miles and the inside of the engine is immaculate, no varnishing no sludge nothing, I would estimate the engine will do 400,000 before anything is worn out. Yes some new engines like these ingenioum engines seem poorly designed same as the small capacity 3 pot engines that are produced but ultimately cleanliness of the oil is paramount.

[@Tom-iu5yd]

Is a rattling of just a second when starting the engine still ok/normal? No rattling after one second, also not when the engine is running/warm… Thanks 🙏🏻

[@bigbang6753]

I have the same problem In the morning rattling but with VELAR 2.0L (ingenium)engine,could tell me if it’s the same problem and which part need replacement.thanks

[@biz4twobiz463]

you'll need all timing chains and guides replaced along with timing chain tensioner.

[@rebelkatilal8148]

i found an Discovery 2.0 2018 they said the engine has a little rattle does it worth it for 17 k €

[@leebrand2172]

So here is the thing - all engines that use chains will need a chain replacement at some point. There are three primary design criteria used for a modern internal combustion engine - Cost, power and durability. An F1 car is big on power, very high on cost and low on durability. A Toyota is average cost, average power and good durability. A Land rover is high on cost, low on power and low on durability. So when you buy one you need to understand this. It is going to require major service items on a regular basis - like a cam chain. Problem is that on many cam chain engines it's not a big deal. Even a little Ford can be done in a few hours without removing the engine. Parts are cheap and it only has to be done every 200k km. Diesel engines are historically exceptionally robust. Truck diesels can keep going after a million km - thing is that these are not "truck" engines. They are "high performance", turbo diesels running on the absolute limits of performance, fuel economy, service intervals, build cost and emissions. And, obviously catastrophic failure :-)

[@dorisserban2448]

How many more Km you can still drive after this first rattling?

[@TheTemporaryTraveller1]

Hi guys hope someone can help. I have a 2016 Discoverh sport, 81,000. Timing chain just changed now. Should the car last me for another 60k ?

[@Turn12335]

Good afternoon. May I ask, how much was your repair? I have an identical job I'm trying to arrange

[@TheTemporaryTraveller1]

@@Turn12335 hello, I’m not sure unfortunately, the dealer changed it for me as I bought it like that

[@Turn12335]

@@TheTemporaryTraveller1 many thanks for your reply

[@ianmosdell]

Normally it’s £2000/2500 , so not a cheap job to do but make sure the modified Land Rover kit is fitted.

[@Turn12335]

@ianmosdell many thanks . That's peace of mind as its costing me 2k plus vat from a LR specialist. I'm assuming it's the updated kit naturally. Thanks again

[@agoodneighborautorepair2176]

Very nice explanation and information

[@tempestv8]

Why is the chain stretching so soon on the Ingenium 2,0 diesel? Is it just poor materials used in the manufacture of the chain? Why are the sprockets wearing down so soon? Poor metalurgy? Is the chain design on the D300 Ingenium 3.0 diesel engine the same, i.e. does it suffer the same chain stretching issue?

[@byteme9718]

Because Land Rover produce absolute shite.

[@handman.9.10.11]

How many miles does this engine have?

[@topsteve9898]

My first thought too - would be nice to know!

[@tommohighpark]

Do you have to drain the oil to do the timing chain

[@biz4twobiz463]

yes

[@gabesgramofcoke7653]

I put new chain kit on mine and it ran great for 3500 miles. And now back to rattle on cold start. What do you think can be causing it so quick ?

[@bigriff28]

Did you use genuine parts

[@tempestv8]

@@bigriff28 unlikely to be aftermarket, given how new this engine is, I would have thought... But maybe Land Rover subcontracts the manufacture of all the engine parts anyway, who knows?

[@bigriff28]

@@tempestv8 Hi I ran my own car repair business for 36 years and know that you can buy after market chain kits for the igenium engine.

[@michaelpankov997]

​@@bigriff28do you advise to use only original chain or it is possible to use aftermarket parts? Probably you can advise some aftermarket kits.

[@karolinaerdei5185]

Hi how much does it cost to replace it.

[@egemensuzgun4208]

3500-5000$ in australia

[@Bojansakotic]

4500 chf Switzerland 🙄

[@tomasschelby2239]

3200e in germany

[@mattk120]

£2,100 in UK

[@stevenlangdon-griffiths293]

A big job. I would say the car is a liability.

[@Model6780]

Hi good video. I'm maybe buying a discovery with 37k on the clock .landrover said they noticed a knocking noise from the engine and have fixed it but concerned o may run into problems. Also is the 3 litre engine more realbile in the discovery's do you know thanks Callum 😊

[@alexrobinson2281]

3 litre just snaps crankshafts

[@mazdaman1286]

Modern engines are now being designed by idiots. Chains in the wrong place involving massive strip down and costs. Old designs used duplex chains , in 50 years I have never seen a broken duplex chain , stretched a little , yes , I would not fit some of these simplex chains to my bicycle. Plastic guides that go brittle and fail...How was this not found in the millions of miles of testing ? The same could be said of wet belts....Engineering going backwards.

[@topsteve9898]

Very well said Idiots just about describes it or manufacturer greed driving it.A friend had a fairly modern car where when the (£80) water pump seized , it was on the same belt/chain or whatever which drove the valves etc .The £80 pump failed and then destroyed the engine at £4,100 replacement cost.I often try to imagine the scene (drawing board or meeting) where someone signs that off as a great idea! I'd be ashamed if I was a car salesman, to punt some of this rubbish out , to customers...

[@ianmosdell]

Even with a good timing chain set it’s a noisy engine.

[@ianbirch5811]

I agree , from cold mine sounds like a tractor , the injectors are particularly loud

[@the_retired_mechanic]

I wonder how many of tye owners know this expensive problem even exist. They just drive them

[@egemensuzgun4208]

ours is on 160,000kms the only reason i know is because out PTU is leaking between the 2 problems 8800$ to fix

[@alfonsowadeyua5293]

Land Rover Discovery Sport not Range Rover Discovery Sport

[@tom5216]

What the hell are Jag/Landrover thinking. Spoiling a great vehicle for a hapworth of tar. Single Chain. 💀👿👿👿👿

[@handycrowd]

There are two chains, but what is odd is choosing to put the chain on the back of the unit so you have to pull the gearbox...

[@topsteve9898]

Completely right - they are a lovely car (especially for long runs) - why seemingly cut corners on critical elements? Even in purely 'Brand ' terms why bring this poor publicity on yourself?

[@blackvulcan100]

As long as it will outlast the warranty period Land Rover do not care. Land Rovers are made with the cheapest parts available, parts made in China with the LR logo on them.

[@johnrideout7124]

And some of .the old Yankee V8 flatheads are still running with no problems, no bike chains or rubber belts, just a plain old metal, toothed gear, driving the cam-shaft !

[@briansmith6057]

Like my classic RR with the 2.4 VM diesel engine.

[@treedeblue]

These cars are known for bad engines

[@egemensuzgun4208]

i own one, i 100% back this statement i have to fork out 8grand for an oil leak and timing belt

[@jbug884]

Shame, I really fancied one. I might go for Volvo XC60 instead then.

[@treedeblue]

@@jbug884 look at Toyota next time Emma you can’t go wrong if you want Lux look at Lexus.