Okay, Brighter Shores Could Take Over

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[@evalationx2649]

Idk, imo one of the biggest things holding brighter shores back, from what I've seen, is the lack of a true open world like Runescape. Runescape was one of the open world trail blazers, Brighter Shores seems to be taking a step back in this regard.

[@bublynnbeach3332]

I think worrying about the bot problem is totally valid. I don't want my economy overdriven by the ghosts of other people's pcs, who are profiting assholes lol

[@childpeanut5095]

If you cant beat em, join em

[@RankedZero]

dofus, wakfu, waven the ankama game series has similar set up to this

[@Bright-darknault]

Andrew Gower is a fucking genius, this video only made me ever more excited to play !!

[@user-xj3in5gv4p]

How is it a benefit that you have to choose from 1 of 3 classes? in Runescape you can literally be ANYTHING depending on your stats and gear are and you can change on the fly, at any moment. So Runescape offers more freedom by default

[@poeskey]

I think this goes back to the original 2001scape. you picked a starting class which boosted certain stats. It wasnt like other games where you had different stats for each class, so I am wondering if it will work the same here as well.

[@MMOchAForPrez]

​@@poeskeyI think a big difference people miss between right now and back when Runescape released is the grind. It was incredibly different. You may not have had "pures" back when RS first came out, but the class system they were trying to use makes a lot of sense when you think about how slowly everyone would progress. You probably had no hope of leveling an account evenly back then. You had to grind a handful of stats because that was rewarding, but you couldn't bare to level them all. So, specialized classes made a lot more sense.

[@poeskey]

@MMOchAForPrez the game was much much different back then, worldwide pvp, and the use of level brackets to determine who you could attack, etc. Combat training is extremely important on classic, pures have very specific build paths and training methods, and while you are right, i specifically play a main and dont pvp myself most of our server does and they go to great lengths to make the perfect pure accounts. I think the class system was a holdover from traditional rpgs, and while they didn't really mean anything, besides giving a slight boost to certain stats, it would be interesting how they go about it in brighter shores.

[@MMOchAForPrez]

@@poeskey Gotcha! Thanks for the insight. I was only able to catch the tail end of classic as a kid.

[@KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop]

there was an interview not too long ago where Gower said he wanted you to have to make an important choice. I don't like it, but I see where he's coming from.

[@bastardlybadger6405]

Bots have never made me not play, some of the measures taken against them have though.

[@zWooTWooTz]

Interesting. Like what?

[@Fairlyg]

@@zWooTWooTztrade limits

[@nahreallytho6583]

This is a very good point

[@zWooTWooTz]

@@Fairlyg that was rwt but truuuuuuuu

[@andreyz94]

@@zWooTWooTz and rwt is caused by bots

[@stoched]

Not a fan of the art style. Idk seems hard to get immersed when you can only see as far as 1 chunk and there’s gigantic puzzle pieces connecting them

[@abir1125]

Especially with OSRS, bots make your tedious, repetitive grind seem pointless. Even more so when you grind your tail off, get to high end PvM, and find out gold farming is done better by a script. Same concept with robots taking over ppl jobs irl.

[@J3dotgg]

Does it though? I do my grinds for my own satisfaction, not to compare myself to others. After all, these stats just signify time spent, and there will always be someone else that spent more time...

[@ZeroPhilosopher]

doesn't affect me, ironman btw. boys or not 90% of mains are p2w so it's their fault

[@Hibill70]

​@@ZeroPhilosopher most mains are not p2w....idk where you came up with that

[@chesuschrust4776]

​@Hibill70 hes just trying to make himself feel better that hes an ironman. Ive never payed money for my account and im lvl 118

[@michaelf184]

@@chesuschrust4776its amazing how irons can act. Dont worry. Everyone knows people like him. The entitled self righteous OSRS iron.

[@cotyembry]

I hate how its not a true mmo and things are partitioned to rooms, ew

[@HavocParadox]

btw items despawned after 2min. afrer 60 seconds they would appear to all.. another 60 sec after that.. bye bye deleted.

[@ellescer]

runescape was hardcore and no one complained...

[@HavocParadox]

@@ellescer Only reason they had to change it was because of bad actors. when osrs started the servers were constantly being ddos'd by big clans like rot.

[@jurgnobs1308]

​@@ellescer people did complain a hell of a lot

[@chrisstewart9500]

Bots filling up wilds bosses where I can't kill them. That's a fucking problem. If I can kill a boss because a robot is killing it. It is a issue.

[@Real-Ruby-Red]

kill bot kill boss

[@GurtGobain]

I'm skeptical they're going to make Q3. I really hope they do, because I'm bored of every other game right now and want something to sink my life into. But normally people would give a definite release date when it's only a month until release. It's almost always a better marketing decision to hype it up for a few weeks/months, rather than just dropping it unannounced overnight.

[@bdeliu3187]

not gonna lie, it looks like trash lol.

[@childpeanut5095]

Yeah more power to the dev and hope it comes out good, but I’m not touching it with a ten foot pole. I’m sorry

[@mattmanncan]

I dunno, a large reason people left rs3 was that skilling was far too quick. This feels like I could log in day 1, take a break for 3 months and then have 99 mining. Does that not trivialise the experience?

[@poeskey]

No, it was the EOC update. Then it was all downhill from there. Then micro transactions made even more people leave.

[@brettford946]

Every game that does this currently gives caps to how much xp you can earn while logged out. This way you would at least have to login daily and even then the xp would most likely be really bad.

[@rechtebanana]

I think people are too deep into osrs for any game to change that but we'll see

[@callofduty60]

This game sounds like trash

[@beezymeech]

I didn't grow up playing brighter shores so I don't give a rats ass about it

[@say_goodnight7342]

The bot problem in osrs will never be solved until jagex forces people to use a new c+ client, and ban the use of third party clients. And nobody will switch to a new client until it has the same functionality of runelite.

[@AluviumOSRS]

I hope if they release it's VERY late September as I'm away in Turkey on a business trip. I will pay any amount Andrew Gower asks for a game because he is an absolute genius and I know in my heart this game is going to be amazing. From what I've seen so far it takes a lot of Runescape systems and builds on these and only makes them better.

[@kibby3164]

The whole there wont be a bot problem in brighter shores because its made part of the game makes 0 fucking sense at all... SURE you'll be able to idle play when you're logged off. That now just becomes part of the game. And if people were to bot they will make more money and more xp than using idle play. Just because you have idle play doesnt mean there wont be bots. I can't believe Andrew is actually pushing this idea. He has to know.. He has to lol

[@xaero96]

He doesn't believe that it'll completely fix the bot problem, but it'll sure as hell help a lot. Being able to fully idle will reduce the demand for RWT too. The rest of the bots will be dealed with the same way as anywhere. He probably has systems in place to help with that too. And probably made it impossible to get to actually good money making methods before getting caught.

[@Anthonybrother]

Yes but the botting will still be made kind of redundant

[@Priest_Of_Zebak]

I drew that map in middle school over the course of a few days.

[@bahsilchaudhrey1833]

Super underrated channel bro, really enjoy your discussion based content on OSRS/MMO’s. Reminds me of an OSRS version of Asmongold. Keep it up!

[@fatguylittlestream]

Runescape has always been a boring game for me (IMO obviously) I think the draw was that you could play it on a potato with a web browsers. It was a lot of peoples first taste of online RPGs. But Brighter Shores does look promising, I'll for sure give it a try.

[@plum999o]

I can't wait to play, but I'm worried that logging out and still making progress might reduce my feelings of accomplishment. All the current afk methods in osrs, especially something like splashing, make you feel a little bit like you're getting away with something you're not supposed to, or with NMZ at least it's based on the memory of that experience. Just gaining passive exp without doing anything clever yourself might make gameplay feel a bit redundant.

[@ChaoticFrost275]

Loved the video, and i'm excited to try out Brighter Shores. I would like to counter on one of your statements at 9:06. I think the more hardcore you are in the game, the less bots affect you, not the other way 'round as you stated. If you're a hardcore gamer, you are likely doing some more difficult content than >most< bots do (of course in runescape there are some crazy strong pvm bots, but not nearly as many as say, herb farming bots). If you're not a hardcore gamer, you are likely doing easy content which becomes hugely devalued by droves of bots, and it matters more than the small handful that can do leviathan or nightmare.

[@MettaOffline]

I'm developing my own game too. I'll have to take some notes on BS when it comes out.

[@GruesomePizza1992]

Until I comes out it’s all speculation and buzz words. Imo not a fan of the way it looks. The whole “each area is a room” there’s no skybox it’s just looks off to me. I’ll stick to runescape

[@SK8Enjoii]

I really hope this game is good but it looks so claustrophobic and closed off I'm not sure it's really like a open world to explore sadly I know runescape has a lot of empty territory but still even if this packed full of content in every inch I love the big world feel

[@mobboiii3928]

28:25 exactly. everyone should try an ironman account. its so fun to play runescape the way the first players did lol especially if you don't use a guide, which makes a huge difference

[@jurgnobs1308]

75m won't be enough forever, but it means he can get by with slight loss or breakeven without much of an issue. and that's huge

[@arod0075]

thing about bots. it makes the player per day statistics fake and ingenuine to the game. People claim osrs is soooo popular but it has an extreme amounts of bot farms. That's the big issue, not just item prices

[@PapaDope-i8m]

Brighrer shores 2 maybe but this aint it. This could very well be what ruenscape classic is tho. The tiny rooms and tiles need to change.

[@jotnarymir1393]

Hopefuly we get better rs content as it competes with this game. Im wondering if the mtx surveys and them being more open with the community has anything to do with brighter shore coming out soon

[@Omar-gr7km]

No friends isn’t a way to detect bots as most bots prolly have friends except massive bot farms

[@Dardlem]

Unless they release a mobile client I won’t be interested, even as a someone who just started OSRS

[@biffmorgan1054]

I go in with some doubt but I will be playing/trying out of respect to the Gowers.

[@BoneFrossil]

It will def bring in new people like myself who like the idea of Runescape but would feel to far behind starting now.

[@childpeanut5095]

It’s never too late to start doing something. Especially if it’s something you might enjoy.

[@navi8801]

​@@childpeanut5095 Agree with this sentiment, just fully came back to rs after becoming an on-off player for a while (log in for a week or so just to leave for another year lmao), since about 2015? Catching up on all the updates that have come out over the past few years has been kinda refreshing, I feel like i'm a essentially a new player again and re-ignited a spark i hadn't felt since i was a kid. Brighter shores looks promising, I hope andrew can capture that same magic for a new generation as they did for me back in 2006

[@ToMaSsS10]

"far behind" literally doesnt make sense

[@BoneFrossil]

IT does make sense, people see it as am mmo that is old so the thought would be they would be to "far behind" It does not matter if it is not actually true or the gameplay does not lend itself to feeling behind... it is a thought people can have about an mmo they never played before.

[@reactivereplays5666]

I've been saying the bots are controlled by Jagex for YEARS! Not all but some. Why would you NOT as a Jagex employee have them going on the side at your house while you are working...

[@stugeh]

Because if you get caught you lose your job.

[@neusyns]

Yeah... We never heard of admins and mods getting caught doing dirty things and being fired/sued before

[@HavocParadox]

for me i just don't like the art style of brighter shores..

[@Anthonybrother]

I'm on a new PC that can run newer 3D games and I play Runescape

[@stevwills1445]

Alching drives up the price as well.

[@imshzx]

Bro please atleast pause the video when you want to talk -.-“

[@michelhickey5765]

i really want to like this game, but its going to flop.

[@appathegoat]

Looks like RS3 to me, not interested already.

[@tubesism]

“I don’t need the money” uh huh… Steven Sharif said this too and now Ashes of Creation has $120 alpha keys for sale. 😅

[@neusyns]

Im so confused. Is it a rs reskin or what?

[@justinbradford6086]

skilling cant make you gp now

[@mobboiii3928]

this is hypeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Sloppyjoe96]

only time i get mad is when the bots are higher level than me and was stealing my resources but now as i can go into specific like 1500total level worlds its not really bothering me

[@LetMeScape]

Runescape walked so Brighter Shores could run.

[@AndDeez]

unlikely osrs is peak

[@jackmeowmeowmeow2177]

The only big thing keeping me skeptical is the class system, only 3? to me that just feels like a limiting way to play and I don't like having to make and level three simultaneous characters just to switch combat styles up. Runescape you can switch between builds as you want. I like that freedom.

[@codydobbs8253]

Personally i think its great. I hope its good because that woule force Jagex to release better more thought out content aswell Which in turn would force BS to think about better content aswell! Competition would theoretically make both games so much better. Competition makes both sides better.

[@imshzx]

This game is ass just saying 😅

[@LeafyNebula]

I know im playing it. I've played the OG rs and most of rs2 when jagex took over but it was such a fun time back in the day

[@jususi71]

Bots kinda does kinda ruin player experience in the game, my friend actually kinda quit the game once he realised how botted vorkath is, like whats the point of him killing the boss when u can just set up a bot script and not get banned alot of the time.

[@Derek_Reynolds]

this game wont take off

[@zd9910]

agreed about bots. totally overblown problem, it keeps supplies incredibly cheap for main accounts. so many people (main accounts, not ironmen) would be buckled from doing high end pvm content if there were no bots due to the supply prep time.

[@trtVitor]

Been playing Runescape on and off since 2003, I feel like I owe Andrew so I'm 100% playing Brighter Shores on release.

[@Bellaroar]

Personally I would love an Ultimate mode in Runescape where you can still trade and use the grand exchange but have only one life :3

[@fatguylittlestream]

Bots have inflated many economy and lead to many game deaths, definitely a problem for the majority of players.

[@sosbrigaders]

Ill try it. But if im honest it does look like a game I wouldve played in 2010. But im hoping its fun enough to keep alot of people interested

[@katmannsson]

Thats interesting to me, I have the exact opposite feeling about the Instance Population thing in GW2, Maybe I just dont get as immersed so its not taking me out in the first place.

[@RawDiggityDawg]

Co-op training sounds and looks amazing! 2 man fishing and wood cutting looks like such a chill action to do with your gaming partner and much more cleaner then 4 people standing around a tree

[@bjni]

bro im just in nmz afking while coding, its great, only gotta click once every 20 mins

[@BulletBillWow]

Jagex removes items from the GE but marks them as sold- that is how they remove items from the economy. It is called the Item Sink - you can find info about it on the wiki.

[@Anthonybrother]

And the players selling those get paid anyways, making it a controlled economy?

[@nameunavailable-gp3ot]

​@@Anthonybrother it's closer to subsidies

[@EndlessFootball]

They use the 1% tax from the Grand exchange to buy the items so it’s not inflating the economy.

[@baniguy]

Rip rs3

[@tigerjr38]

if this game is mobile it has a great chance of success. mobile is so popular anymore with the younger generation

[@nintendawgs7388]

I think he is saying because he made his own game engine from scratch it will be harder to code bots for the game

[@Lessthanpropane]

have you seen anything on evercraft? I had a blast in their last alpha/test thing!

[@topsofwow]

Completely agree with you on botting. Its an issue, but the extent of its impact in modern osrs is overexxagerated. Botting is way less common than it has been

[@nintendawgs7388]

Classic is the best version of Runescape hands down.

[@wazup3333]

I dont like the closed world concept of brighter shores

[@ryanjohnson7109]

Loving your videos man glad I came across your content

[@BlazeIt42069]

I miss bots, blood shards are way to expensive

[@Saphiros]

Bots aren't just a detriment to the economy, they also make it more difficult to find open space doing content. For instance, in OSRS finding a world to do the singles wildy bosses can be a nightmare if there's a bot network running it

[@Anthonybrother]

I'm stuck on world 55 with an average of 18 players on the server at the same time. (Max capacity is 2000)

[@alan__6453]

Here’s the thing…I only play runescape. I’m sure the game will be great, it could be the best game ever made, but runescape hits a spot for me personally that nothing else can. I don’t know why, runescape kinda fucking sucks but I love it

[@UniversityOfMassachusets]

Exactly his point… runescape players don’t know why they love it but they do. He essentially is saying that Andrew knows the reason why and is building this game around that fact. Making people like you and I that play runescape for that itch to transfer to brighter shores now

[@ZIIHI]

wildy bots with auto prayer switch is a problem

[@badmanjosh6091]

I used to go to the library and play. Too poor to get a computer.

[@wazup3333]

Actually it would be cool if their were no bots, are resources were aquired only by actual people, and rwt was allowed.

[@neusyns]

Bots exist bc RWT exists. If it were allowed you'd have a far bigger problem.

[@sydneywest1623]

I might have missed it, for the f2p no trade time, will all skills be accessible in f2p ?

[@ChristylizeTV]

No, p2p has all skills and areas.

[@haggridhinglehorn]

Love listening to these uploads at work. Thanks man!

[@shawtynoikilpeople3905]

Yeah the bots ruin the game lol

[@loganrogers4560]

I'll never play runescape again after the newest update. Go woke go broke

[@Omar-gr7km]

The similarity between the two isn’t just “tile based” it’s basically a reskin. Skills are called professions. Same capes. Etc etc etc

[@Omar-gr7km]

Even the payment system and format such as premier which he had nothing to do with. Just stealing ideas

[@Omar-gr7km]

Anyways some stuff is new and I hope I’m wrong; that it turns out to be much more than just a reskin

[@ElisaAlice-d8b]

Meh i reckon its going to be a massive flop and the game looka shite

[@arosbastion7052]

as a f2p, bots are actively making it basically impossible for me to ever get a bond lmao

[@tylerpadilla]

Wooohooo first view!

[@GurtGobain]

The "bringing in players from other MMOs" will automatically happen if he can get the OSRS and casuals raving about it. Most games I've gotten into, like PUBG, is because of hype from big streamers.

[@Pippybo]

No one in osrs is even talking about this, kids like you will play brighter shores tho because their favorite “streamer” likes it 😂

[@GurtGobain]

@Pippybo "Kids like me" Ah yes, 37 year olds 😆. Enjoy your toxic identity of either "I'm too cool for this" or "I discovered thing before it was cool". I'm just gonna play games that look fun, whether they're mainstream or not. And if they're not fun I'll stop playing them.

[@Pippybo]

@@GurtGobain at 37 years old, watching streamers play games is wild. I’m speechless

[@GurtGobain]

@@Pippybo poopoopeepeekaka

[@GurtGobain]

@Pippybo I never said I watched streamers. I said I got into games because of the hype and raised profile that streamers cause. Nobody would've heard of Climbing Rocks With Hot Toddy or whatever it was called if it weren't for streamers. Even if you don't watch the streamers yourself. It's a form of marketing. Also you smell.

[@Omar-gr7km]

Bots drive the price of everything except bonds down, not up

[@Capybarainahumansuit]

I got lucky. Osrs has a load of players and its lasted serious time. I doubt ill even watch content involving brighter shores on release,But i hope it works out for them. Im also lucky to not really have much nostalgia tied to osrs. Never did bosses or quests with it till my 20s and hated the gsme in my youth it just felt like there was nothing else to play free back then lol so id fish or something for a few days then quit for months.

[@QueenFinli]

Oh no bots. They lower all prices meaning I make less but also soend less. Awe shucks it sucks logs arent like 50% more in price and unqiues 5x the price and sara's and restores un affordable. I get it, being bummed seeing a bot with more kc at something. But you arent a bot. Your kc is the only kc that matters. The challenges You set for yourself are all that matters. Are you guys playing the game or focusing on measuring E-peens. Also it's doubtful BS will be bot free. Maybe at first, like almost every game. Then without a doubt someone will crack the proverbial code. There is no such thing as unbottable. Hard to bot maybe. impossible? Thats fairytale part 3

[@brettford946]

Seems like you're completely disregarding the fact that everything you do yourself with be more valuable. Ok, who cares if logs are 50% more expensive when you make 50% more gold for chopping a log yourself...

[@901gaminganime5]

You don’t get tired of doing tricks on it huh

[@swisscheese4986]

I can literally name every place on the map in one shot

[@xaero96]

I think the new OSRS death mechanics are way too kind for no reason, and they were introduced unpolled. It should be 1 minute of in-game time instead of 15 and, if you're late, your gravestone should become available to everyone, while you're logged in, fully disappearing after 2 minutes. This will serve the same purpose as the original mechanics and fix the DDOS issue just as well as the new mechanics. Insane that people like the new death mechanics. Death is literally free for new players now, which in my opinion makes the game worse.

[@Kyle-z7s]

This is the most retarded take I've ever seen

[@buntikie]

I came to RS2 and the last time I had played Construction had just been released. I made a HCIM and told myself if I die I am not playing again, haha.

[@tormstorm]

That would just not work today, and it's more punishing the more expensive gear you get which makes much more sense.

[@Saiyamanmc]

will you give an explanation for why the death mechanics should still be like that other than "game too easy"?

[@xaero96]

@@Saiyamanmc It's not an integrity thing to change it so much from how it was without a poll. The whole early game is balanced around the fact that you lose your items when you die. The early game areas are extremely safe because of that. They didn't even make death cost 1 gp, it's literally free, not even requiring you to run back, just talk to death (also free). Zero respect for the player. It was also an item sync and created exciting scenarios of randomly encountering someone's lost items. This has nothing to do with "too easy", it's actually just too boring. The game used to be way more exciting from the moment you join. The game was not "harder" but you could actually win/lose.