(OLD) MGS4 Video

Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of the most divisive games in the entire Metal Gear Series. After a year and a half wait, it is finally time for me to throw my hat into the ring as we dive deep into the story and mechanics of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots!
Video too long? Have a look at this!
Act 1: 02:42
Act 2: 22:12
Act 3: 41:13
Act 4: 1:02:49
Act 5: 1:13:59
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[@JsReviews]

Just as to make sure it’s clear. I’m well aware that the commercials were supposed to be advertising in the Metal Gear universe as Praying Mantis posters are in the game. The point I was trying to make, admittedly poorly handled, was that the game just shoved that in your face and then never made a point out of that again. Wish the effect the patriots have on the general population was more prevalent in the story.

[@Jose-se9pu]

It was Kojima just trying to do Robocop

[@supmanwun]

There's something you missed, in 13:00 metal gear mark 2 means it's an update of your sidekick in the snatcher game

[@bobjohnson1096]

YOU RELOAD MAGAZINES NOT CLIPS! STRIPPER CLIPS ARE USED TO RELOAD MAGAZINES!

[@TheDeathOfLucifer]

Kinda funny how Kojima is known as the weird outlandish game developer... and yet the moment he does something like this and people just complain.

[@matthewschlieben5398]

Fair

[@Kinzokugia]

"A message from David Hayter; "Let your dreams drive you." 'I never said that...'

[@NDRWS]

he's not solid snake

[@theguybehindyou4762]

"The single most divisive game in the entire MG franchise." Phantom Pain: Hold my beer.

[@redenginner]

Metal Gear Survive: Hold my beer

[@SolidShepard]

@@redenginner nothing divisive about survive...lol everyone agrees it's trash.

[@JSHaataja]

@@SolidShepard it was playable, if it didn't have metal gear in the title it would've totally just been another meh uninspired game. Metal Gear Acid: Hold my beer

[@lopesmorrenofim]

I READ THIS SYNCED WITH THE VÍDEO IM SCREAMING

[@CruelestChris]

@@redenginner Survive is more like "hold my hobo cup of brake fluid."

[@dr.gokiburi]

Raiden and Roses's son, Little Virgil.

[@sparkypack]

xD hahaha.. spot on! Kojima's little dumb reference to DMC?

[@annedrieck7316]

He's the storm approaching

[@GodittoC]

69 likes, make a wish!

[@thepure7]

Solid points.

[@RadinV1]

Indeed.

[@violentbobross155]

If you notice in the intro segments they’re regular tv shows but there’s always a military theme or some type of militaristic imagery in every show, they’re trying to show you how the war economy has leaked into every day life without telling you it has

[@joemilner7710]

ViolentBobRoss 😂😂 dude talking like he be having some incredible revelation here... no shit Sherlock

[@jellybabi7600]

@@joemilner7710 J literally said he didn't know why the adverts were there violentbobross was explaining why

[@Otakupatriot117]

I wish they'd also play on TVs throughout the levels, like the radios in fallout. It's kind of a shame otherwise that you have to go on youtube to watch them all since they only play in the intro. Plus it's always fun in games when you're in the middle of a shootout and can hear the TV playing in the background, it makes the world feel lived in.

[@Five_Timber]

It's weird, I have the PAL ps platinum version of mgs4 and I never got the advertising at the start... It just goes right into the game..

[@broomguy7]

Yeah this reviewer is clueless if he doesn't see how the 5 minutes of advertising where the military has infected every aspect of culture links to Snake monologing about the ubiquity of PMCs.

[@accude_]

This game will always have a special place in my heart, my dad (R.I.P) got me into the MGS series back in about 2000. He was diagnosed with PPMS which resulted in his brain aging at an accelerated rate despite being fairly younger which reminds me of Old Snake. Playing MGS4 back makes me realize a lot and only solidifies my pops as a badass in my mind. Old or not. Great video!

[@hypertensionfilms5439]

Sorry to hear about your father. I think MGS4 is a brilliant game, personally. 🤷‍♂️

[@scrubbingdoubles8585]

Jesus loves you Isaiah 41:10 Romans 3:23-24 John 3:16-17 Romans 8:35-39 Luke 23:42-43

[@SSLegacy]

38:54 - The Fox-Die mutation wasn't caused by Drebin's injection. Naomi clearly stated that it was Snake's rapid aging that caused the mutation. The new Fox-Die prevented the epidemic not cause it. 55:50 - Only Screaming Mantis was explained as needing Nanomachines to control people, not Psycho Mantis. The Sorrow wasn't explained away with Nanomachines either. Only Vamp and Liquid Ocelot were explained using Nanomachines.

[@SSLegacy]

Also "Tactical Reloads" are in the game. Just press the circle button. The only weapon with a clip that this cannot be done is the Mauser.

[@andreiaromanesei9270]

The finale made me fucking cry

[@DiamondDogApollo]

So firstly I want to say I enjoy your video even though I disagree with your viewpoint. One thing I wanted to take issue with though was your take on Raiden. PTSD is a real think, and all too often in media mental illness is something that can easily be dealt with with love. This isn’t how it works. Raiden seemingly getting better only to spiral out of control again is a much more realistic character arc. Raiden becomes a cyborg because he still has a childish belief in “Heroes”, he “doesn’t fear death” because he’s clearly suicidal and looking for a release. He finally faces his “nightmare he can’t wake up from” by defeating Vamp, comes to terms with his hero dying a very human death by growing old, and ultimately regains a sense of his humanity by accepting his responsibility to his family. I never hated Raiden in MGS 2 (my personal favorite in the series), but MGS 4 was the game that made me really love the character.

[@JsReviews]

You know, you raise good points. I think my issue with Raiden in MGS4 was that it felt like too much of a response to MGS2 criticism, as opposed to real analysis on the mental health issue. Although when you raise those points, I see your perspective.

[@DiamondDogApollo]

I volunteer with a suicide prevention group, and I’ve had interactions with veterans who suffer from PTSD and other mental health issues. What struck me so strongly about Raiden was how true to life much of his arc actually was once you strip away the fantastic elements. Starting off seemingly happy after getting home only to descend into depression and alcoholism. Being unable to connect to loved ones. Not being able to see themselves as human because of prosthetic limbs. A feeling that they had more to give on the battlefield, including their own lives. I’m not sure if Kojima is a better writer than he is given credit for, or if he handled Raiden with more care because I think he likes the character and never intend for him to become a joke. Obviously he tried to explore the same themes of trauma and PTSD in other characters with less success, The Beauty and the Beast boss characters being most notable. I do think that he caved to the fans in MGS 3 with the Raidenovich character, but I believe he wanted to do the character justice in MGS 4. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m reading to much into it, but I’m glad I was able to give you a different perspective. Thanks again for your videos on the Metal Gear franchise. I’ve watched all but the one on MGS V (still working on Peace Walker), and I appreciate the work you put into them even if I didn’t always agree with you on some things.

[@FeelingShred]

@@DiamondDogApollo Yeah. The worst thing about trauma in general (some people call it "burnout", you see yourself unable to keep going, basically the same underlying mechanisms) is that you know something is wrong but you have no idea what the heck it is or how to fix it. You would be surprised how many small things in daily life can cause "trauma" (usually random events that happen unexpectedly, lots of people reporting symptoms after car accidents for example) and if you let these small traumas compound over time without ever healing them it will reach a point where you reach a breaking point. And in the middle of all this process (something that I consider the most traumatic aspect of it all) is that you notice how few people actually care about you in your close circle of social relations, friends, family etc (specially family) Noticing that the people that you considered close not caring at all about you (or even going out of their way to judge you or exploit you) is a deeply traumatic experience.

[@FeelingShred]

@@DiamondDogApollo Are you aware of the "Rewind Technique"? From my personal experience, ruminating on thoughts of the past and "reliving" the experience only made things WORSE. Funnily enough, I started noticing to feel more healing during periods when I would focus on purely nihilistic activities like playing videogames for example. Some kinds of videogames require extreme Focus and put you "in the zone" unable to devote yourself to side-thoughts or ruminating about the past (it's so fucking annoying when you can't stop that stuff) Which allows the mind to start healing and flushing some of the trash out

[@FeelingShred]

@@DiamondDogApollo Now, back to Kojima and the subject of "trauma" in his games, I notice a lot of similarities between him and Roger Waters. Both lost their fathers very young, under different circumstances. There's always a sort of "longing for a past when things were alright" in their works. Roger Waters lyrics for "Corporal Clegg" are brutal, talking about war veterans in UK attempting to turn it into humor for making it easier to process by the mind.

[@RemyJackson]

Old Snake is at the grave he believes is the grave of Big Boss. Despite being a villain in previous game, he respected him as a commander, and then discovered he was basically his father. At the end of the game when Big Boss shows up, he dies at the grave of the Boss, who is buried one row over.

[@JacobyJ56]

My friend who never heard of MGS asked me about this game I said there's a scene where a vampire fights a cyborg Ninja on top of a giant robot that shoots nukes. The response was okay that is awesome

[@santiagocabrera]

It is

[@josephwilliams1915]

@@santiagocabrera the real question is, is that what makes MGS awesome, or is that awesome because it's MGS?

[@justaguywithagoodphoto4801]

@@josephwilliams1915 both?

[@KevinRobertsArt]

The point of the opening bit was Kojima was wondering, 'what would watching TV be like in the age of PMC warfare.'

[@D-Nova]

Holy shit ... That "Snake had a rough life" line hit me harder than I imagined. I never liked MGS4 all that much, so I don't remember it as much fondly as the other titles. I didn't even remember that line, yet it really hit close to home.

[@JacaboBlanco]

Octocamo was dope af

[@JacaboBlanco]

Blew my friggin mind when it first came out

[@JsReviews]

It still blows my mind they coded octocamo for every texture in the game. I can’t imagine how much dev time that alone took.

[@GiubileiFernando]

This game's story is way better when you see the meta narrative, the whole game is a "this is what you wanted, to drag Snake back forever into constant war" directed at the fans.

[@kylecampbell565]

Fernando Giubilei I’m not sure if making a story intentionally unsatisfying is good

[@KittyKatty999]

Definitely sounds like a Kojima thing to do. He was already attacking his fanbase by Metal Gear Solid 2, after all.

[@HeyFella]

Yeah I’ve always read it that way too. It’s like he’s saying “you wanted me to explain MGS 2’s intentionally abstract ideas and vague ending, well I’ll do it in painful unsatisfying detail. You want the real Solid Snake back, well now he’s depressingly old and dying. You hated Raiden, while now he’s the badass that makes Snake look terrible in comparison.”

[@evilnoey4873]

Kojima really wanted to rehab Raiden... Guess what, he's still a bitch.

[@TequilaToothpick]

@@HeyFella I've never bought that. If he didn't want to make a sequel he shouldn't have left to many plot threads hanging like Olga's child or Vamp being alive.

[@RustedBuddy5192]

How....... Dare you. Leave Sunny alone. She is doing her best.

[@ahlexander]

I don’t understand why MGS4 is so hated. It’s a Swan song. It’s supposed to be an end to Solid/Old Snake. It’s the end of his chapter there is no more Solid Snake he dies offscreen and his story ends. The reason the next two games focused on prequels was because there was still story to tell before the first Metal Gear. I think and you can agree or disagree MGS4 is a great game closing off a great story explaining to the best of its ability why everything went down.

[@DanielForce2457]

Well, the point of the Beauty and the Beast Unit is that they have no real personality or goal. The age of heroes and charismatic soldiers is over. Now, everyone might as well be a soulless robot. That's why they're so hot: they're attractive and effective, but they're just puppets.

[@MetalPcAngel]

Everything needs an explanation? well. . . NANOMACHINES, SON..

[@diceb0mb]

THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA

[@davemarx7856]

HAAAAAAAM

[@gustavosantos106]

Midichlorians!

[@salsamancer]

@@diceb0mb THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PLOT HOLES

[@mrpurpz1406]

@Chaotic Purity "What did I just say?" **Punch**

[@user-vb5zl3oe3h]

Side note: in the proper canon, Snake doesn't kill the B&B unit; he tranquilizes them. They're still "cleansed" by fighting him. Therefore, they can work on rebuilding their lives and no longer being controlled by their tragic past. Sorry for being "that guy," but I just had to explain that.

[@guswindsor8842]

I always wanted it to be Gray Fox's grave that Snake saluted. I remember so vividly that he stated his only true friends were Colonel Roy Campbell ret and Frank Jaeger aka Gray Fox

[@1o1roman1o1]

that would have been a much better ending/scene

[@oogaboogie]

Rip otacon I guess

[@TheVestibulian]

I didn't have that much of a problem with the "reveal" that the Patriots were your companions in MGS3. The player's understanding when going into that game was seeing an event that can lead good people to make realisations that will make them do bad things. I understand that that cast of characters acted largely as comic relief in that game, but people who are involved in these kinds of conspiracies and perpetrators of horrific events in real life would be seen as different by people they've shared experiences with in the past. I'm thinking of that wholesome photo of Hitler feeding deer in relation to Zero, or OJ Simpson with Nicole and the kids in relation to Dr. Clark. It didn't rub me up the wrong way, I actually thought it was quite a smart move rather than introducing yet more characters into the MGS lore

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

Snake used CQB until MGS4, it's more for clearing rooms and for use with weapons, I presume he needed to revert to CQC as it offers tropes that CQB doesn't for guerilla tactics. Metal Gear Mk2 is a reference to Snatcher where the companion is called Metal Gear (explained in Snatcher as a homage to the Outer Heaven Uprising that happened 50 years prior). I presume at the end of MGS1 the 3 of them got back together for debriefing and Meryl went back to the special forces, with Snake and Otacon deciding to clear up the mess that Ocelot made by making the REX plans public

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

Both Snake twins weren't full clones of Big Boss in the sense that they include genes from Dr. Clark's assistant, unlike Solidus who only had genes from Big Boss. The assumption Snake had was that he and Liquid only had genes from Big Boss. The scene wasn't to do with a difference in gene structure like what Liquid said

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

The plot in MGS4 assumes that the codec conversations in Snake Eater are non-canon hence why it is then reasonable to believe the character development of the patriots, the End's powers were explained in The Phantom Pain

[@T2266]

Wait, CQB and CQC isn't the same thing?

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

@@T2266 yup, not counting the in-game invention of cqc. both are used for different situations in combat and warfare. cqc is more for soldiers and jungle warfare, whereas cqb is for hostage situations (mgs2) and is used extensively by counter-terrorist units

[@SolidShepard]

@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 on the clone genes thing....there is also the fact that they were basically artificially inseminated into Eva. so half of their genetics also come from her. which probably explains why Liquid had blonde hair, he got that from her, where as Solid got his hair from Big Boss.

[@budsodastories]

Way late but I remembered playing this for the first time a lot of people gated but i and my friends remember it being better than any movie at the time. (When the marvel movies started getting stale) i absolutely loved this game.

[@The3picsparker]

In MGS3, there were several codec calls from Paramedic about cloning and they were talking about cloning people like Snake. She said as a scientist, she would be interested. But I felt this was more a joke about Solid and Liquid snake being clones in the future from Tomokazu Fukushima (the cowriter who was also in charge of the codec conversations’ dialouge) and Kojima took them as a hint for MGS4 during its development.

[@robertprichard1171]

Metal Gear II is an Easter egg reference to Snatcher.

[@TheEngiGuy]

59:27 Reminder that the Yakuza series is full of these moments, along with a tad too much emotional moments thrown into your face... it's still regarded as being "wonderfully written".

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

its funny cos all you hear from fans is "raiden sucked in mgs2 mgs4 fixed him" and then revengeance was a comedy which is a whole nother thing

[@FullmetalCowboy]

45:44 - "Can the MGS games come to Steam?" Your wish came true.

[@MegaPhilX]

That scene where Campbell says to Meryl "You are my pride and joy" really makes me emotional every time I see it. Even more so now that I am a father myself. I mean I think it's the first time we see Campbell actually speaks to Meryl directly since before then she hated him. A really powerful moment. Of course ruined by Johnny ... **sigh**

[@hypertensionfilms5439]

Paul Eiding was fucking phenomenal in this game

[@_Adjei_]

J's Reviews 27:10 you didn't get hit in the middle out of nowhere in chapter 2 . They knew where you were because you triggered an alert (during alert phase they often know your location). It doesn't happen otherwise.

[@JsReviews]

Yeah, but...what on earth even happened, every time I look at the footage there nothing even dropped to hit me.

[@_Adjei_]

@@JsReviews Unfortunately, that's one of my biggest complaints in the series as a huge MGS fan. You see, triggering an alert phase means they magically knows where you are even if none of the enemies are near you. As for Raiden becoming a cyborg ninja by the Patriots, it was supposed to be explained in Metal Gear Solid: Rising, the previous title that was originally going to be a prequel and a gap between MGS2 & 4. After the title was changed to Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance and was going to take place after MGS4, Raiden' backstory was scrapped.

[@peterreed9817]

MGS4. The least accessible mainline MGS game in 2021

[@fbistatmajor5918]

I heavily disagree with you but you obviously made a carefully detailed crafted argument and I respect it

[@Ghostface315]

The reason for double explainations is that this is the last game and to stop long years of discussions in the community. The flashbackbutton gave me goosebumps every time i pressed it because I played some of the scenes many many years before. Thats the problem with people looking at these years later for the first time. You may like the shadow moses revisit. But you will never now the feeling comming back to a place you left 10 years ago and that in real time. Every flashback was spot on

[@simzocker]

well you keep bringing up comedic relief and story inconsistencies as well as 3rd wall breaks yet you fail to see how EVERY SINGLE METAL GEAR WAS FULL OF TIME ALL THE TIME bro we get it you love MGS3 and nothing could ever come close to that masterpiece in your opinion doesn't change the fact that this is one of the best metal gear solids period.

[@VictorLecoeur]

I'm drinking wine while hearing your video. You made me emotional about so many good video game memories dude! Can't agree on everything, but fuck, I gotta play that game again. Thanks for the trip to memory lane !

[@Lazt]

Aye yo... "switching discs is way better than shitty instal screens"... the most underrated comment in this vid.

[@bastienmillecam3183]

Small detail: in the harder difficulty the nanosyringue is not something you can use endlessly. Use it more than once and snake will like all over the place and lose his psyche again

[@tripplordofinconvenience9953]

War has changed...

[@They_are_Arthur]

7:31 I assumed that he was saluting Big Boss's grave when I started the game. It even flashbacks showing Big Boss saluting, so I thought Snake was saluting Big Boss in a sort of regretful "was there another way" type of salute. And as you mentioned here, he could also be saluting to Gray Fox. Snake has met a lot of people who have died, so when I watched this scene, it didn't feel like fan service for fan service's sake.

[@Thlormby]

The ads in the beginning were supposed to show how disturbing the world has become. Everyone is obsessed with warfare and the world has become a genuine dystopia.

[@Just_a_Tool]

The reason Snake soluted the grave of Big Boss (not the Boss) was because there were files that were declassified about Big Boss. Leaves to speculation about what was declassified in there that made Snake want to give respects to him.

[@michael-vo5ol]

I bet Big Mama told Solid Snake that even if his “dad” tried to wreak havoc all over the world, he’s still a human being who’s suffered from a lot of crap in his life and all that crap shaped Big Boss into the man that he became throughout the rest of his life

[@brandonanthonyk]

Portable Ops isn't cannon I don't think....

[@eliudgarza9219]

at the end of MGS2 the files for MGS3 were released to the public so thats why CQC is introduced

[@dutchvikingrsagas]

Every time I hear J saying that fans of the Metal Gear franchise dislike Raiden I get sadder and sadder on the inside. Not saying that Raiden is my favorite Metal Gear protagonist. Not at all. My favorite will always be a tie between Solid Snake and Big Boss, both for completely different reasons. I find it saddening that people really couldn't get over the fact that Raiden *is* a good protagonist, one with plenty of character development if you just pay good enough attention. Plus what I also dislike due to the fans is that Raiden always gets the short end of the stick when it comes to his endings. Metal Gear Solid 2's ending was optimistic, the other two.. Well, not so much.

[@cfroi08]

Post MGSIV: Nano Machines Pre MGSV: P A R A S I T E S

[@santiagocabrera]

If u think about it the nanos are An Evolution of the Parasites of 1984 u can see a lot of the properties of the parasites pushed forward with the nanos, intercomunication, control of the individuals, healing properties and so on...

[@NDRWS]

no

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

The commercials were at the beginning to mirror the commercials in robocop that were classic

[@a.j.9359]

I love how in this game you can shake the controller to reset Snake's camo, even in cutscenes

[@visassess8607]

This is the one that got me into the franchise. It came packaged with my PS3 and I fell in love. I then went back to play the other games and it's now one of my favorites.

[@guswindsor8842]

"A few more years and you'll be another dead clone of the old man." Ocelot's foreshadowing of Snake's accelerated aging was eerie as hell

[@SuperFuckYourOpinion]

This is still the best game in the series as far as gameplay in concerned

[@RadinV1]

No. It's TPP.

[@chizpa305]

Snake: War... has changed Fallout: War never changes

[@Onmysheet]

13 years later, I'm still confused.

[@chizpa305]

@@Onmysheet they need to make upntheir minds

[@EonStormcrow]

My only complaint with Snake's ageing was the pornstache. I don't mind him being/looking old but dude, that moustache makes him look like a lecherous old man.

[@quintinthompson275]

This is my favorite Metal Gear game. Going from MGS1, MGS2, MGS3, and then MGS4 felt seemless. The ending of this game wrapped the series up perfectly in my opinion. Konami and Kojima could have ended the series right here and I would have been satisfied. I got obsessed with the plot of the games and enjoyed every single cutscene. Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of the most polished video games I've ever played. I'm so thankful to be able to have experienced it.

[@AmaDominiCanes]

MGS4 is also my favorite. I had no problem with the Zero twist. Society has countless of examples of decent people going rotten.

[@Js8L]

@@AmaDominiCanes thank you!

[@Zer0_Ph34r]

I agree, one major issue that J seems to have is with how so many characters go back on what they said in the past. The problem is that this is how people really are in reality. Most people, especially when they have gone through traumatic events, have a very hard time getting away from it. In addition to that, most people who make decisions in times of duress or extreme euphoria don't continue with that same mind set. MGS4, while not perfect, show how dichotomous human nature really is. Snake and Maryl getting together after MGS1 then falling away from each other makes perfect sense from this perspective. They "fell in love" over a few hours because of all this crazy near death stuff, but after actually spending time with each other, it was obvious to both of them that they didn't really like each other that much. While I agree that a lot of the plot in MGS4 could have been more concise and some of it is a little on the nose, it's much more in line with how people really talk and act than we like to admit. I also feel like J missed the whole point of the commercials/tv shows at the start. You can't skip them because they cover a loading screen, and they tie into the story by showing how prevalent War and technology have become. They are so ingrained in society that there are regular TV commercials trying to recruit people into PMCs, and there are sports commercials meant solely to invite people to inject themselves with nano machines.

[@JayfroC]

I really can't decide which is my favorite game in the franchise. But I can definitely see where you're coming from, I love MGS 4. That ending is freaking amazing.

[@Liquid_Mike]

In my mind, this is the last MGS. I look at phantom pain like I do metal gear rising, a still-fun-to-play offshoot

[@Timeless56_No.256_a]

i think the big boss scene would serve better as a post-credit scene before the ending dialogue. suits the game

[@randombanana4023]

the chronology ending is that both Meryl and otacon survive with snake it's been cleared in the comic book version of msg1

[@ReaverSTHLM]

Kojima was always the George Lucas of the videogame industry. Really likes it when things "rhyme".

[@OPequeNiNo1]

These Metal Gear Solid reviews on this channels are surprisingly weak to not say terrible.

[@Fedor_Kisliakov]

The fact that Hayter refers to MGS4 ending as "piece of genome diarrhea" speaks volumes.

[@ratedrenigma]

Where and when did he say this?

[@Memesis]

jesus a 1h mgs video lets fcking go

[@jmfowler9062]

"What made mgs4 a disappointing sequel" Literally nothing, except maybe that raiden didnt die off screen between games and stay dead also, enemies arent bullet sponges. theyre armored. use weapons with better ap characteristics and have better shot placement. This whole section was really painful to listen to. It honestly just sounds like you didnt give this revisit a real chance bc of personal hang ups and nostalgia glasses relative to your preferred titles. I mean theres several other comments pointing out things you missed or stated werent present, yet were.

[@jmfowler9062]

@@skibot9974 was already good, it would simply be better without him.

[@jmfowler9062]

@@skibot9974 but they didn't really, imo salvaging him would be making him a good character and having a real effect on the narrative in a meaningful way except "am sad Boi robot"

[@compatriot852]

We should just consider mgs4 to be uncanon

[@kylecampbell565]

1:12:40 i was honestly expecting you to hate this part given there's no way Rex should still be functional after the damage in MGS1 and being stuck in the cold of Alaska for 9 years. Plus RAY was designed specifically to be the ultimate Anti-REX weapon

[@an3582]

Well, pandering and flashbacks are shit, unless he likes it, in which case theyre fine, lol. No bash against J, just what I got from the video.

[@GreenSabre187]

I love how its like in mgs 1 where also liquid should had winned since he was the superior clone

[@Sandra_aschenbach_doyle]

I chose to see that as a metaphor for snake. Just like shadow moses itself, snake is breaking down. This will become much clearer when mei ling adds that the whole place will fall into the ocean soon, mirroring snakes imminent death. Rex was his determination. Winning despite his broken body and teribble odds.

[@CruelestChris]

The fact that it's an anti-Rex weapon doesn't mean it'll beat it one-on-one at close range. You want to try to beat a tank with an anti-tank missile when it starts out 100 feet in front of you?

[@truckercowboyed2638]

@@Sandra_aschenbach_doyle terrible *

[@user-vb5zl3oe3h]

As far as I am concerned, MGS4 takes place in a Parallel Universe or a dream sequence. I like the game a lot, but in my world, MGS2's ending was the true ending of the entire story.

[@maxacorn]

i liked the fact that the group we knew in "snake eater" turned into the patriots. its similar to the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely". when given unchecked power to do whatever you want and near unlimited funds to do so, it can turn people into people we don't know. prime example: Maximillian Robespierre. he was one of the early leaders of what would become the french revolution. he was a intellgent lawyer who wanted to make life better for the people of the 3rd estate, aka, the common people. he helped author one of the greatest documents in history, "the declaration of the rights of man". dude was a champion against the excess and corrupt of the crown, the noblity and the clergy. but once the king and queen were dead, he stepped into the power vaccum, and plunged france into one of the bloodiest eras in french history, "the great terror". he had transformed into a power mad, egotistical tyrant who fancied himself as the new god of france. and in the end, he was destroyed by the very system he created. so yeah, i can buy major zero, sigint, and paramedic going dark. and i can see why big boss left the patriots. they weren't people he could trust anymore.

[@samlittle4424]

Vocal parasites is the anwser for most things now lol

[@starscorpia4005]

I actually like Akiba in mgs, he had life mistreat him pretty often and in the end things looked up for the guy.

[@devildavin]

I liked him, he had stomach issues and for me that was relatable since i have IBS. i thought it was cool that he skipped out on the nanomachines shots so he had nothing to suppress his problems

[@allenstanley3418]

Yeah he was a try hard and a screwup but the only thing that really irritated me was how quickly he and Meryl got hitched. That and most of the dialogue between them was as bad as gets. I mean Merrell already had a failed relationship with a soldier after a crisis situation you'd think she might have a little bit more caution. But no she wants to be the one proposing to this guy she seemingly disdained up to this point.

[@alstoyle]

Metal gear solid 4 came out 12 years ago. I checked

[@davewesker]

I got that reference

[@keeganstormblade5456]

Raiden showing up to kick ass, and then taking a ridiculous amount of damage during the fight is almost a running gag in this game. By chapter 5, I was wondering how he was even still standing and how much more could he possibly take.

[@prometheusrises]

Yeah but it's built upon in Revengence and emphasizes his cybernetic equipment

[@sparkypack]

Yes, and in the end he's all fine, which is obscure. What I loved in MGS1 was GreyFox's sacrifice. Imagine GreyFox coming back through the entire series. It takes out the tension.

[@sulphurous2656]

Pissed me off how they turned Raiden into someone who is more machine than man. Especially with that prosthetic jaw and stuff.

[@DW316]

The only MGS game NOT put on a current gen console.

[@gabrielloko30000]

Metal Gear MK.2 is actually a reference to a old game of Kojima boi....Snatcher In the story of the games, actually takes place in the future of Metal Gear

[@custardgannet4836]

All that shit with Johnny and Meryl...The beauty and the beast unit? Gubbins.

[@TheRealness408]

Just want to say, CQC is actually referenced in mgs1. So Snake is aware of it. I would assume Big Boss taught it to his followers and eventually the martial art spread. But yeah, Campbell mentions it in mgs1.

[@Onmysheet]

It was just difficult to implement in the earlier games.

[@WTFmomentGaming]

MGS4 was a meta narrative about the concept of video game sequels.

[@Kinos141]

I always considered Solid Snake as the real hero of the series.

[@SantosOverlord]

thats because he is

[@Gwyn94]

I think this was the intended effect. After all, Solid Snake was the only person to ever truly realize the Boss's will, and bring it to fruition

[@mikitadou]

Nah true protagonist was Decoy Octopus but he was betrayed by Fox Die. Had such a wonderful career ahead of him, what a shame.

[@NDRWS]

snake is not a hero, he said it

[@IVDW]

I love this game I just wish it didn't have so many and so long cutscenes. There were so many good things in it, the octocamo, raiden's cameos, the young snake facecamo and act, the shadow moses island, the controlling of metal gear REX, the final fight with Liquid, the microwave scene. I didn't have problem with the B&B boss fights either, except Raging Raven maybe. And you can have the Bandana with infinite ammo after the first playthrough.

[@Dripx-]

While Instant reloads were convenient back then, it made reloading/running out of bullets basically pointless. Not to mention MGS4 had an online mode (aka the BEST ONLINE GAME EVER MADE lol) and instant reload would have ruined that. Also, there could be the fact that they were going for a more realistic approach I'm guessing as the opening scene in MGS4 feels like something out of a war movie but I doubt this theory.

[@visassess8607]

Yeah he used that to say MGS4s gameplay wasn't as good as Snake Eater

[@guswindsor8842]

I never believed, and never will believe that Liquid's personality or spirit got into Ocelot. Ocelot just did the liquid thing to mess with Snake.

[@DialloMoore503]

Hmmm? Interesting theory.

[@meganinten0078]

Hey! Jhonny is awesome. He had good character development in this game. He is like Bulk and Skull from Power Rangers. Sometimes heroes are not always fit, the most intelligent or never feel scare. Heroes can be ordinary people who still help despite being scare.

[@traestyles25]

The mgs games are rumored for pc!!

[@smexyboii]

You can actually get addicted to the syringe if you use it too often. And it loses potency. That's a nice touch

[@BarnyWaterg8]

I had to have replayed MGS4 20-30 times I loved it so much

[@justbny9278]

The first time MGS jumped the shark for me was Ocelot being pocessed by a freaking arm in MGS2. Then it jumped again in this game,and then i stopped caring about it entirely. Just... whatever...

[@davemarx7856]

MGS has jumped a shark in every title 😂 Switching controller ports. Fighting a helicopter on foot. Vampires. A fat terrorist on roller skates. Codec conversations about James Bond. The world's longest ladder.

[@strugglesnuggledslime7040]

Really?I never found the whole arm possession thing to be all that ridiculous considering MGS1 pretty much doubled down on "psychics are real". A shame Kojima had to ruin it with 4 because of his BB boner.

[@SyndicateOperative]

@@davemarx7856 ...I don't think you understand the concept of 'jumping the shark'. It doesn't mean something impressive/extreme/outlandish. Switching the controller ports, for example, is a much loved feature by pretty much everyone (thus no longer counting for 'jumping the shark').

[@SOV724]

You DO know the objective of this game is NOT to kill right???

[@RadinV1]

So?

[@ultimateknight4667]

Some fun facts raiden blood was white for censoring reasons but they didn't change for the uncensored versions for some reason and in the original ending snake and otacon would've been out on trial and executed but they changed it which I think we can all agree on was a good decision.

[@KittyKatty999]

@@uncanny-hector-1906 *THANK GOODNESS!!* Kojima is the kind of guy who has to be restrained, to make sure Humanity doesn't go insane from his ideas.

[@CrashJakFan1994]

Even then, the song "Here's to You" loses its meaning. It sounds like a heartwarming song to end the series on until you learn of its origin. In short, it's a cover of a song that originated in the Italian film "Sacco e Vanzetti," which was centered around the titular anarchists who were sentenced to death (sound familiar now?)

[@Mickael_Mineo]

Raiden's blood is white because his cyborg body uses artificial blood instead of human blood. The weird censorship happened in Rising, where the Cyborg soldiers and Raiden had real blood.

[@joshuapatrick682]

Twin Snakes is a remastered MGS1, WHY DO PEOPLE HATE IT?!? It looks and plays so much better than the original.

[@yoshiswagdust]

uhh its hard to take snake flipping onto a missile and then shooty shooty a missile at a hind d very serious, albeit beautiful to watch

[@kevin_pepino]

You forgot one of the most important fanservices of the game: the callbacks of Kojima's previous non-MGS work. For one thing it's way more subtle than the other ones which makes it more of an Easter Egg, but such thing was already done in previous entries, therefore I label it as fanservice as well. Take for instance MGS1 where you could find a poster of a game called Policenauts in Otacon's office, or in MGS3, where in one cutscene (unfortunately I don't remember which, but I think I saw it in your video) there's a small statue of a mech-like figure, which is Jehuty from the Zone of the Enders series. In MGS4, this tradition is kept, with some examples being one of Otacon's desktop wallpapers being Zone of the Enders 2's cover, or that same Policenauts poster being on the same place since MGS1. It's one of the aspects that I'm glad they maintained throughout the series. It would've also been cool to see more of Kojima's work like Snatcher or the Boktai games, but regardless, for me this is the best of the fanservice out of Guns of the Patriots.

[@cannonfodder4000]

I never ended up getting the Solar Gun, wish i did even tho i never played boktai

[@Sain8492]

Disapointing Sequel? I agree to disagree.........

[@bizzaro1988]

My problem was it had too much fan service trying to tie every loose end up. Bringing back nearly every character from mgs1 and 2 that were still alive and so on. Cut scenes were way too long. Bosses were meh and story was meh too. The levels were cool but i personally think mgs works better in one location.

[@d3tach3d]

This game for its time was one hell of a ride. So much content packed into one game.

[@ShawnsLegacy]

"Can we talk about this game's fetish for flashbacks?... Wait... I'm the writer and editor of this video, i don't need your permission." That caught me off guard XD

[@christopheronline7244]

I played the whole series backwards (blame GameFly shipping delays), and I wouldn’t have it any other way. MGS4 was a new kind of cinematic gaming experience for me, and the story had such an insane amount of things going on, that I wanted to actively search for answers to all of the “huh?” I was thinking. The gameplay was so exciting and interesting because of how many options there were to tackle each scenario. I played it 4 times back to back before starting the rest of the series. My love of movies AND games has never been the same since MGS4, STILL my all-time favorite beautiful mess of a game.

[@julianfricke6427]

Metal Gear MRK-2 is in fact referencing the game Policenauts from Kojima and not the creation of REX by Otacon

[@cannonfodder4000]

Snatcher not Policenauts

[@julianfricke6427]

@@cannonfodder4000 sorry my bad

[@cannonfodder4000]

@@julianfricke6427 All good, easy to mix those games since not alot played them, me included. The intro sequence to Snatcher is on youtube btw and its really cool if u wanna check it out

[@ultrarising2983]

1:56 Fun fact, daddy kojima has confirmed that the HD version of MGS3 is actually the subsistence version. Sneaky i know

[@Yummynomnom123]

This game story is just like kingdom hearts a clusterfuck

[@calebb7012]

Just because you don't like Johnny, doesn't mean the rest of the fanbase does too. He was amusing.

[@sparkypack]

If you like Kojima's decision to make Johnny a main character, then fair enough. The truth however is that it was a poor decision and lead to ridiculous scenes. I myself prefer if MGS takes itself more seriously. MGS4 definitely became a fan serving spiral out of control through Kojima's piss take. J is spot on.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@sparkypack Ah, seriously? With photo synthetic snipers, some of them near nude, people walking up walls, and more? And compare to those poor Mei Ling scenes later, in the briefing...?

[@sparkypack]

@@chrissonofpear1384 Yes, most of MGS4. Sure, there was obscurity in the prequels too, but in this title it's obvious. I know Kojima's staff is to blame too for its story. They forced so many dumb decisions, it's understandable that Kojima got pissed off and didn't want to make MGS4 in the first place. Not to mention the rumours of death threats to bring him on board. No wonder it turned out the way it is.

[@RadinV1]

What Pack13 said

[@dwatts64]

You know, this game was kinda all over the place. It's preachy, melodramatic, and downright pandering at times. However, as a kid who grew up with these games, playing MGS in 1998/99, staying awake until the wee hours of the morning, reading every magazine or bit of news of MGS2's impending release that I could get my hands on; cut to 2008, I'm 18 and playing MGS4 witnessing that hand to hand fight atop a submarine was so incredible and emotional, it truly made me FEEL. Something so few games did in that time.

[@yakthekuza7296]

how did u play the game a year before it came out

[@dwatts64]

@@yakthekuza7296 typo. Was supposed to say 2008.

[@They_are_Arthur]

4:39 I didn't even see all of these cutscenes when I first booted the game up. I might have accidentally skipped them or something but literally when I booted up MGS4, I only saw the Octopus part, the two fighting nuns, and then the beginning cutscene with Snake. I had no idea that there was this much more stuff in the intro sequence.

[@UnrealNeoBat]

I'm impressed that you found a lot of cracks in a game that everyone treats like the second coming.

[@hypertensionfilms5439]

How DARE people enjoy something they liked