Old Video, WATCH MY NEW STUFF IT IS WAY BETTER Build a Box Upside Down - Perfect Fitting Lids

[@katzmosestools]

This was my first build video on KZbin. I know it's fast and I know it's long but the technique works great. Also check out some of my newer videos. I promise you'll enjoy.

[@Nheeb]

Ya know, the 5 year anniversary of this video is coming up. Perfect reason to do it again, adding anything/everything you could improve on now!

[@tonwanten6417]

I think it's great!

[@koalafan1576]

Happy anniversary. I have followed for some time and even purchased the second edition of your dovetail magnetic jigs.

[@jimhepting7305]

Nice outcome . .however your speed up of everything, including necessary step by step details on lid is so lacking it's pretty useless. . . At least for me. I've done lids like this, but w a wee bit different approach. It appears your method is a bit better re the results, but again . . Not enough detail given to actually try it out . .BUT, your new at this KZbin thingy so GREAT first shot at it . .thanx😊

[@Bonejone213]

WOW I love the old format to your videos!!!

[@wharfrat360]

I absolutely love Jonathan Katz-Moses! The man. The myth, The legend! Absolutely amazeballs!

[@davelink1318]

😮 dude look how young you are , never saw this video, love the build and the box , good job !!!

[@RUSTICWOODCREATIONS420]

I'm learning a lot about thhe fine art of wood working by watching videos just like yours!

[@mrwizard1979]

I have been woodworking for 25 years and started inlay work about 5 years ago. I am always searching videos for new ideas or tricks to make my work better. Yours is the best channel I have ran across in awhile for good tips and tricks. Thank you for taking the time to share with others your techniques. I really love your box projects.

[@katzmosestools]

Thank you so much!

[@yoramgreenblat4583]

Learn something new ,the lid and the box, construction and the cutting, combination of the table saw and hand saw ,awesome !

[@katzmosestools]

Cheers!

[@colemine7008]

This was nice. I am going to try to wander around your older stuff for a while. Even though you had a small shop, you were not short on the right tools.

[@koalafan1576]

It’s always a pleasure watching your videos.

[@gbuchanan2919]

Unlike some of the other comments I thought this was as excellent video. The intention was not to provide exhaustive step by step detailed instruction to those just starting woodworking, rather it speaks to those with rudimentary skills and provides all that is required to complete the project. While I am no expert by any means I was able to apply what was in the video and successfully create the box myself, with excellent results. One of the few channels I have subscribed to and I look forward to watching more. Well done.

[@chm1701]

And now you have a quarter of a million subs. None too shabby, Mr. Katz-Moses. It was interesting to watch where you started and to see your videos now. Just goes to prove, that if you want something and are willing to work hard at it, that it can work and work well. P.S. I really enjoyed the video too. I decided to scroll through your videos looking for a particular subject and realised how far back they went. Excellent stuff 👍

[@Theojopanoramico]

Thanks! PERFECT VIDEO. I really appreciate people like you doing videos like this, so we all learn something.

[@saidchoucair9247]

very intelligent and a nice way to make this box. thank you very much. big hug from Brasil.

[@donesry2902]

Awesome. Your video skills have grown over the years. Thank you

[@pmdinaz]

JKM i just watched Matthew Cremona's and Jay's vid's. Lot's to learn from all three of you! Love it!! It's amazing to see how you have evolved. Saving up for your router plane!! A magnificent piece of engineering. Can't wait to get my hands on one.

[@andrew9409]

I love the smizes, Jonathan!

[@cardio0007]

Good video. It's good to have a channel where a certain skill set/experience is a given and move on from there. I have been woodworking 40yrs+ and never thought to make a box upside down. Now I have to go out to my shop and make a hundred of them.

[@ziggydog24]

Really enjoyed your vid. Will have to give this one a go and your modesty and skill shines through. Thanks for your time. From over the pond, North East Coast, England.

[@AJ-ln4sm]

This old video is great!

[@vstm3950]

piece of art. cheers from Poland

[@מעייןהמלבלבתחייםםםם]

Good video, you still looking young!!!

[@atteljas]

In 16 minutes you made wonders! Big thumbs up!

[@fa18mhr]

I second your praise of Wange grain pattern. It is pricy but it adds so much to a project like this. P.S. I followed it just fine so don't get bummed out by the comment from Cash Line. I appreciate you taking the time to document this project.

[@sambas13]

Great video and concept! Thank you. Love the bud light can while while adding the splines.

[@orelygarcia]

You never disappoint, Beautiful Box and great technic. First time I have ever seen it done this way, Thumbs up.

[@katzmosestools]

+OG Timbercraft Thank you so much! I love your support and I really enjoyed making this video. Thank you for the kind words!

[@alanplummer]

Wasn't sure how the raised panel top was going to come about but once you cut through with the hand saw to release the top... WOW! That was awesome! Thanks for a great video and instruction. I've got to try this style box. Keep the vids coming.

[@jordanh9520]

I for one, love watching sanding.

[@kirwanwoodkraft7622]

Beautiful box and great build too. I'll have to give that method a try myself. I like your video editing too. ATB, Steve....

[@katzmosestools]

+KirwanWoodKraft Thank you so much Steve! Your feedback is greatly appreciated. It's a great technique and is really easy to use on all types of boxes.

[@williambuchanan2542]

wow...u do good work. love the grain in the splines. nice touch.

[@heyimamaker]

I don't think I have ever seen a box made this way. I now have a name for some of the scrap wood I have. Waney :) Thanks for sharing!

[@robertwilliams8974]

Clever build technique. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Rob.

[@itsstevesturnpensmore795]

Thank you Sir. Excellent show. Good topic, inspires one to look for more.

[@guyward5137]

That’s a great looking project. Thanks for sharing

[@endall39]

That is insanely complicated for such a relatively simple project. Entertaining to watch, but not to be replicated by this guy, ever.

[@TheBert]

Whoa! You've sure come a long way sir! This is gold! 😂

[@dmcwoodworx2968]

looks so simple. I cannot wait to try to stuff mine up

[@katzmosestools]

It really makes it easier. thank you!

[@mounirmohammedali5966]

this is the first time I ve seen an upside down box build, thanks for sharing ^_^

[@rogerdudra178]

Nice box. I have a project to build 2 boxes that can hold 50 pounds a piece. I'm thinking 3/4" walnut sides and bottom. Any box build teaches me much.

[@ricbeveridge4315]

If you turn your sides upside-down when taping if will keep the sides tight and is a lot faster.

[@Doyledidit]

Great tutorial in so many ways, your the best!

[@TracyJammeh]

I love the idea of making a Box and then cutting the top off. This really seems like a good idea when you want the grain to match. But my issue is, I don't have a table saw

[@TeamProsperity]

Awesome Katz, love the way you make the top, friggin awesome man🤙🏻🤙🏻

[@ealrovi1972]

Nice job edison, love your videos, easy to follow tutorials for new woodworkers like me

[@RLNTEX]

Awesome Job. I am going to try the double inlay dovetails thanks to you.

[@katzmosestools]

Send me some pictures Robert!

[@RLNTEX]

OK, I am sending them now

[@dickda1]

Very nicely done

[@katzmosestools]

Thank you sir!!!

[@11211lcb]

So because you cut the lid from the bottom of the bottom instead of the top of the bottom the grain is different. I always cut the lid from the top of the bottom.

[@tauiphone2263]

When Wipe-on Poly was the star of the show 😢 Nice job man 👍🏻

[@ForestWoodworks]

Bruh, dude! I love all your content, don't care how old it is. To me, part of the joy is seeing how you've (and other channels) grown over the years. Case-in-point, 731 Woodworks has seen tremendous growth and improvement in literally just months. Don't delete these older vids, but yes I do check out the new stuff as well. Thanks JKM!

[@ideaguyinks]

You sure got better at making videos over the last several years.

[@joer5627]

Woah Dude. I didn’t recognize you! Well done!

[@petermckenzie923]

I enjoyed it.

[@carbonitegamorrean8368]

nice box, nice work, good to see high sand grit used and not stopping at 220 or 340.

[@barryrodriguez6149]

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[@donfillenworth1721]

Great results. Thanks for sharing

[@MrRickydale]

I like your style .I have saw another build that you did, and as this it was very nice also. I have not been to your sight yet. I'm always busy, when your videos come up. Just wanted to let you know that I did, see, & enjoyed your work.. :)

[@katzmosestools]

That means a lot. Thank you so much!

[@geraldbourque5674]

awesome job....always wondered the best way to do that...thanks

[@jerrybobteasdale]

Seems like when taping the sides for glue-up. you could lay all the sides with dadoes facing down. Align them along that straight-edge. And lay the blue tape ON TOP of that row of sides. And then flip all four of linked, taped parts up , glue the joints, and form into the box shape.

[@JkCanvas]

Definately going to have to try this.

[@gdonham1203]

I like your technique. I use the wipe on poly a lot as well as spray poly in an HVLP sprayer if the project is big enough. My only addition would be to use the Zinsser Universal Sanding Sealer (Dewaxed Shellac) because it smooths out the finish and the first and second coats of poly are not asorbed as much thereby making a better finish. They sell Zinsser "Traditional Finish" but that is not dewaxed shellac and can cause problems with poly finishing. Keep making sawdust. Many boxes I make I do similar but I cut the top off the top and it always fits perfectly. I just make the box about 1/2" taller because I mainly use 1/4" box joints and the fingers march up. Additionally I chamfer the edges of the bottom of the top and the top of the lower box to hide imperfections and it makes a good stop with a piano hinge on the back of the box.

[@katzmosestools]

Cheers!

[@jljanous]

Thanks Jonathan, great video!

[@SecondSonWoodworks]

Despite it being a bit old, it is still a great video and build. So many useful tips. Thanks for sharing. Also, it shows how far you have come, which is pretty damn cool. Cheers from SB.

[@JusBidniss]

The 'upside down' concept does get your mind working, 'out of the box' so to speak (groan), but I still would prefer just making an enclosed box and cutting off the top. There's better grain alignment, and if the sides don't end up precisely square, or if those rabbetted edges are too thin or thick, then the lid would either be too tight or too loose. Glued inserts would serve just as well for aligning the lid as the rabbeted edges do, better even since inserts would register the inside surfaces of box to lid exactly, as opposed to sneaking up on a precision-depth rabbet cut that has to be perfectly half the thickness of the side pieces (which wasn't really covered, getting the blade height perfect for cutting that rabbet). Not meant to be trolling as some have alleged anything other than a glowing comment to be... As I say it does get your mind working on things like fabrication and assembly options in projects in general, but in this application it's just not my cup of tea -- but more power to those who do like it.

[@ronharrison6552]

I prefer to glue a liner of contrasting wood inside the lid. This way the box grain matches top to bottom and the liner keeps the lid aligned.

[@bassrun101]

Do not do the glue and sawdust filler. It's an idea that should have died a long time ago. For a professional finish stain your project and apply at least one seal coat of finish and allow to dry. THEN fill with a colored filler or a filler that will take stain and remove the excess and continue with the rest of the finishing process. Filling bare wood will cause any number of problems. Glue and sawdust or sanding dust does not accept stain and smearing it around seals the wood around the fill and again doesn't accept stain or the filler worked into the grain may soak up too much stain and make a dark spot.

[@joshyingling]

Linda Elfstrand AMEN! People will be sad to find out when they go to stain and finish that every spot of glue will show through.....

[@DragonGateDesign]

He didn't use any stain, and you don't stain good hard wood. He just used a wipe on polyurethane

[@woodworkingandepoxy643]

Little late but there wasn't any stain used so....

[@el737rs]

Love your videos. Also learned woodworking from KZbin, and also a big fan of AvE 😉

[@tomsatterlee8397]

YOU TELL ME THIS IS AN OLD VIDEO AND TO WATCH THE NEW ONE. WELL, WHERE IS IT HIDING

[@yoko312]

Why are you screaming in caps?

[@davescott5335]

I always place the box sides inside down and apply the tape over the outside while holding the sides against the straight edge. Then I carefully pick up the four or more sides that were taped together and turn them so that the inside is now facing up. This keeps the edges all aligned and the tape is not so hard to manage.

[@clarkdouglas6517]

Your method Dave, is the one I see used most frequently and use personally

[@MCsCreations]

Beautiful work, dude! Not bad at all! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@MCsCreations]

Beautiful job, dude! 😃

[@Woodden]

Very cool

[@evaredei7940]

Wow! Looks amazing. Could you please also show how to cut this box with hand tools only? :)

[@robertschaeffer5861]

yoe KM, cool how that works out. bottoms up, cheers...

[@africancichlids3011]

Nice job . haters gonna hate

[@paulrichmond6903]

It’s a nice box but you’ve broken the vertical grain continuity between the top and the bottom. I do something similar, but I place two offsetting saw kerfs 1/4 - 1/3 of the way from the top of the box. Cut one on each side with the “outside” kerf being lower than the one on the inside. Make the kerfs 3/16” - 1/4” and carefully watch the depths of the kerfs. When they separate, you get perfectly matching grain patterns. If you use book matched sides, you can even have the grain wrap completely around the box.

[@greg6107]

Awesome !!

[@larry5948]

I see you live close to SB. My uncle lives in SB. Hes the architect that built a sailboat in his backyard. I enjoy your techniques and videos . Great work.

[@AngieWilliamsDesigns]

I love it! Just subscribed!!

[@davebauerart]

Great explanation! Thanks.

[@timothyball3144]

Always fun to look back at older videos. I won't say you have come a long way because your delivery was pretty good back then as well. You have certainly changed your videography and such, but you talk very well. Hope that makes sense.

[@tomx63]

it really does look FRIKKIN awesome!

[@watcherdude1330]

Hey so just came across this video. I watch all your current videos and I have purchased your apron and just last week ordered 5 items off your online store . You have come a long ways that’s for sure. But I’m guessing 5 years ago this was the normal.

[@daveengstrom9250]

Hey man, that's the bomb.

[@ronaldmackool9402]

I would love to see you do another video on this type of box and lid but done with much more detail and much slower. But thank you for doing it for us.

[@koalafan1576]

Why, when, how did you add mineral spirits in the higher grits? Thanks I’m advance. I’m trying to learn.

[@rolandkuhn9066]

Cool technique. The only thing I would say is I like the continuous grain match between the box lid and base. You can only get from seperating the lid from the box. Still if that is not a criteria this would be a good technique.

[@CharmleysChopShop]

Wow you've come a long way lol.

[@parom1234]

Great video. What is the thickness of the wood?

[@MrHighflyingclive]

Probably the best box-making tutorial on KZbin. I liked that you did the sanding off-camera ("Nobody wants to watch sanding") :-) Too many "how to" woodworking videos seem to aimed at eight-year-olds. You treat your viewers as adults - and it is appreciated. But - having just made my first box, a couple of hours ago, I'm kicking myself that I didn't make your straightedge jig to line up the parts... I'll see how badly it turned out in the morning... :-( Keep up the good, no, great, work!

[@JohnColgan.]

Strewth, didn't you look young in those days. Nice build love the wood choices. Great idea the upside down, but any mistook in sizing could make a mess . Glad you succeeded, but you practiced for the camera 😊🤨😉

[@davejoseph5615]

I was most impressed by your wood shop. For example I've never had a proper vice for wood working. Your bench vice appears to be home made. Do you perhaps have a video describing its construction?

[@katzmosestools]

It's a design based on one Jay Bates did. Basically it's two pipe clamps and some plywood. Cheap, easy and efficient ! Thank you!

[@rrobinson2008]

Love the ave mineral spirits lol

[@Slovenianwoodworker]

You have excat same hand plane stands. Great minds do think a like ;-) Good stuff. Cheers

[@tommccurnin524]

One reason not to cut the top from the bottom is to preserve the grain pattern. If you have a nice grained wood, one would want the grain to visually flow from the sides to the top, which will occur when you cut the top of the box from the top. Cutting the top from the bottom will visually disturb the grain pattern.

[@Yahoomediaclub]

Perfection..⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️☠️👍

[@Paulboylegacy]

Where did you get that making gage please. Paul from Canada

[@stevepratley]

Apprentice project, bet making this video bought back some memories for you mate, although I am guessing you had to cut the dado's with a plane rather than a table saw. Awesome to see projects like this being passed on to the next generation.

[@thelevicole]

Are you just using pipe clamps as your vise? That’s neat. Can’t wait to get one of your dove tail guides

[@barryrogers5815]

Mate! I think this is a great technique- except that moving the lid up from the base seems to impact the way the grain wraps the piece? Or is it just not really noticeable?

[@MartyRaaymakers]

😂 on watch the new stuff

[@Belg1970]

Really like the technique and your video. My only problem with doing it this way is that you lose your grain continuity? Look forward to more videos and subscribed.

[@katzmosestools]

that is correct. I recommend using something with really straight grain for this build. Thanks so much for watching. Cheers!

[@mcremona]

Awesome work on the box and video! Nice to see I'm there watching you in your shop :)

[@katzmosestools]

+Matthew Cremona HAHAHA I just ordered stickers so I can get in on this whole sticker exchange thing. The one of your face makes me crack up everyday. You'll be the first person I send one to. Looking forward to getting the wall stickered up.

[@mcremona]

Wont take long. You can easily do 100 sticker swaps just to get started. It's crazy. I'll have to send you some more so I can watch you no matter where you are hahaha!

[@katzmosestools]

+Matthew Cremona as long as you buy me a drink first I'm fine with anything haha

[@mcremona]

+Katz-Moses Woodworking oh boy...

[@GabrielMorales-sg4my]

this is hilarious im so glad i found this😂

[@TrevorDennis100]

We see all those beautiful Joint of the Week videos, but I was struggling to work out the best way to put a top and bottom on an actual box. This is one great solution, but I think I might cheat, and make it a bit easier without the raised panels.