OLED Burn-In? G-Sync Module Still Relevant? When Will 1ms Lies Stop? January Q&A

[@ladielova17]

Just finished watching this video from start to finish and man am i hyped for what you guys cover next. Also, i love you guy’s honest review on products especially when us consumer are often deceived by some of the other content creators. Anyways, thanks for what you do for the community and i look forward to watching more in the future!

[@grievesy83]

Well said.

[@Metaris]

Hey, leave Jay out of this.

[@ladielova17]

@@Metaris 🤐

[@StoicBoyMario]

+1

[@yopCan]

I have an OLED E6, bought new end of year 2016. Amazing screen, but maybe a bit too early technology wise, even more for their anti-burn-in features or lack of. I knew about that risk when I bought it, so I'm not complaining. I have enjoyed that screens for years, consuming amazing contents, so no regrets. 6 years later, I have a few burn-in spots. First the subtitles area, since it's white most of the time, I can see a matrix of 8 digit segments all over the place down there. Also the Netflix logo in the bottom right corner, my red pixels are almost all dead over there (Netflix should propose a no logo option for those embedded app, same for the others...). Now I'm not looking for something in the app anymore, but instead on my cell, and send it to the TV. I have also the time progress bar for I think KZbin and most likely also Netflix strip ghosting my screen, left to right. I'm writing all of that, not to shout foul at LG or anyone, but more to share a true experience and maybe help other preparing better themselves. My TV has around 11000 hours of loyal services and I'm still happy about it despite those side-effects and will probably buy another OLED to replace it.

[@yavormitev8388]

Thanks for your comment - if an OLED panel live up to 4 years before distracting burn-ins then it's a reasonable buy for the quality and responsiveness benefits. I'm willing to take that risk - also every new model usually have better life time and new benefits

[@rpospeedwagon]

@@yavormitev8388 Got my LG C9 in March 2020. No imagine retention or burn-in whatsoever.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

My CX which I use as a monitor has 11,500 hours on it, mostly productivity and no burn in. But I also keep the backlight at 40 and the display in SDR mode when not gaming, which drastically lowers the peak brightness, and I suspect... drastically reduces the rate at which the pixels decay. But I think they have also added more burn-in prevention features and increased the size of the red subpixel between when our displays were produced.

[@Steror]

​@@nerdstrangler4804 brightness is a big part of it :) I have a S8+ phone and it has captured me on OLED. After 5 years I have some slight burn-in, but no regrets. As we learn about OLED screens, we get better at taking care of them. Love my LG CX from 2020 and my next monitor will also likely be OLED.

[@vedantdesai1]

Netflix sucks already. Sucks even more that they have their logo on the content

[@icoborg]

only 3 years for a monitor is bullshit....

[@ndelahun]

It's why I watch this channel get the best review on actual performance

[@tunejunky]

i think the mini dp/hdmi ports are more loved by the designer than by the every day person. i've always had a large collection of cables but have had to winnow the HDMI ones because of compatibility issues (as they all look the same). having dealt w/ mini connectors in the past i can say they're more prone to breaking and in the real world we have kids and pets that can be rambunctious.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

As far as the gsync module thing goes, I think it could be phased out, but I think the validation is great, because these companies will make really crappy freesync panels with terrible specs if they know there's no real validation or rubric to follow.

[@MR-vj8dn]

Hope they keep the G-Sync branding. I like it and prefer to build and use systems with it.

[@PCMonitors]

Integer scaling looks terrible in my view, nothing like running the resolution natively even when considering 1080p on a UHD display. The edges of objects become blocky, it does not look good up close at all. It works well for certain titles with 'simple' cartoony graphics or if you're sitting far enough from the monitor that the edges aren't well-defined. But it makes many games look like they have Minecraft edges when they shouldn't. It isn't a feature I miss being added to monitors to be honest - maybe nice as an option for some to use I suppose.

[@teknonmy7210]

with how good DLSS and FSR are these days, integer scaling is no longer needed

[@SnaJKirE]

Interger scaling is mostly for old games, e.g. SNES emulators, where you want that authentic blockiness imo.

[@liquid527]

Doesnt the gsync module help with oled vrr gamma flicker? I am amazed this issue with vrr gamma flicker on oleds doesn't get more awareness...

[@dr.warner2288]

If I bought the Dell DWF Model and was "extremely" aware of burn-in... could I get more than 5 years from that panel? (Or any OLED panel for that matter) Do OLED monitors have a fixed shelf life that regardless of care burn-in would eventually ruin them? Sorry I just don't know about this kind of thing and I'm curious if anyone has an answer I'd appreciate it :)

[@BUDA20]

the Gsync monitor guarantee a single overdrive mode, among other things, that's the branding certainty, you can get the same with freesync, but... is almost never the case

[@christopherjarrett9067]

I've been using the Alienware OLED 34 since late June last year as a productivity machine (remote work) and for play. It's on at least 12 hours a day connected to a PC, 8 hours for productivity work with many static screens, less so after work. No burn in thus far (thank you jesus!). Hopefully it will stay this way

[@Gragagrogog]

G-Sync module is such a wasted opportunity..... it a fucking FPGA, yet you can't do anything with it, there are monitors with G-Sync module that have horrible gamma correction/overdrive settings, are locked to nvidia only for g-sync etc. If they made it flashable with open source or semi-open source firmware so you can fix the issues that i.e. Dell created, it would justify the extra cost.

[@kwinzman]

Oh boy Holywood would cry so loud that an unlocked FPGA with open source on it would be able to get around the HDCP encryption somehow or something. And Nivida would hate if people make it work better with AMD GPUs. And it also wouldn't exactly instill confidence that the factory testing / certification is still valid that right now, which currently is the main selling factor for those G-Sync monitors as far as I understand.

[@Gragagrogog]

@@kwinzman HDCP encryption definitely works though, no piracy exists thanks to it.

[@kwinzman]

@@Gragagrogog Yes, it's absolutely perfect! Piracy is a thing of the past! 😉

[@brett20000000009]

glossy does not raise blacks. it actually increases contrast and black levels are slightly improved because it doesn't spread glare all over the screen like a matte finish.

[@kwinzman]

In theory in a lab setting. In practice you will see all kinds of mirror reflections.

[@paulcox2447]

@@kwinzman yup. Deeper overall blacks, but in the area where the reflection is, you get it's full effect. A black mirror of whatever is behind you.

[@Centrioless]

@@paulcox2447 or worse.. your own face

[@Kizzster]

On glossy the colours also pop more and bright highlights are higher in detail for example when looking into the sun or sky in games. Matte quality loss is noticeable, Don't get why it's used for OLED's you have per pixel illumination yet it's covered in vegetable grease on top it all.

[@cybyrd9615]

@kwinzman Ill personally come to your home and board up your windows and steal your light bulb, ie turn off the light child

[@sergiopablo6555]

My iMac has a glossy IPS LCD screen and it looks perfect. Glossy reflections are a non-issue. I wish there was something similar with a 120Hz refresh rate for Windows.

[@SerinJameson]

I've had my alienware QD-OLED since June last year and am a CG artist, so lots of static elements on my panel all the time. Haven't actually had any burn-in at all. And being that most animation suites are pretty dark grey, the burned in elements tend to show up really well on LED panels. Nothing though. Nadda. Terrified of it, but nothing so far.

[@randomrick]

sounds good! how long do you use the monitor over the day? what are your brightness settings? sometimes i feel like burn-in happens more to 100%-brightness-all-day-every-day-monitors. but that's just a guess.

[@SerinJameson]

​@@randomrick Typically 100% HDR on the 1000nit mode. Only times I'm not at that level are very specific bits of work wherein the aforementioned grey suites aren't grey, but blaring fucking white. Though that's more about burning my eyeballs out than anything else. I do use a motion background that keeps things in motion when I'm not 100% window size though, and am very very careful with my screensave on/off times.

[@SerinJameson]

I have to amend this - I managed to burn in some halo infinite UI elements over the weekend last. A pox on having the flu and nothing else to do. So that was I guess just under a year before burn in occurred.

[@bbc6rgf57ytty5yxyw5gt]

@@SerinJameson Did you play a lot of Infinite in a short space of time?

[@SerinJameson]

@@bbc6rgf57ytty5yxyw5gt I mean, probably like 8 hours total across 2 days. It looks like there was some kind of tipping point, because the panel is now showing retention of things that I've only used since, and pretty constantly move around in the UI. (3d app sidebars etc)

[@GameLifter]

From my experience, OLED burn-in is for sure still an issue. I've had to RMA two Alienware OLEDs for burn-in already. Both burned in from having two browser windows side by side for long periods of time. What burned in was the middle scroll wheel and URL bars at the top.

[@RCmaniac667]

The 'new' QD-OLED Alienware?

[@GameLifter]

@@RCmaniac667 Yes, I have the DW.

[@RCmaniac667]

@@GameLifter Damnit, i very hoped that QD technology would prolong its burn-in free lifespan. Is it noticeable in all image colors?

[@GameLifter]

@@RCmaniac667 Mostly in grayer and lighter colors.

[@beni5149]

I use my pc for a couple like 2hrs a day and on weekends maybe up to 5hrs when playing games. I was using a oled tv for about a year, i initially noticed the screen is nowhere as bright as it used to be, when it was new I used to be comfortable with it on 100% brightness and it would still be visible during the day with curtains opened, after about a year it was just not being enough and colors where also not as good, then i noticed burnin on white loading screens or on videos when there is a White background or maybe explosion. When i noticed it even if it was a small amount it really drove me mad. I started looking out for it and i saw it all the time and it made using my pc annoying as i started turning of the monitor when i leave even to go to the bathroom for one second, i really hate hiding the windows taskbar but i did so to avoid more burn in i just couldn't take it anymore.I even noticed it on my OnePlus phone. I bought a neo g7 43" to replace my main screen and i downgraded my OnePlus 8 to a realme x3 superzoom, oled has left a bad taste in my mouth and i really dislike it. Yeah when it's new it's a 10/10 but already after a year it's not a 10/10 anymore, i rather get a lcd with miniled which will be a 8/10 or 9/10 forever untill i decide to upgrade or it breaks for other reasons. Not because the pixels are dying slowly. I hate oled, already upgraded my phone 3 times because of burn in and not because I actually needed to upgrade. And to be honest my lg oled looked better when new but after just a year it looks worse than any standard lcd. Really a 10/10 that goes down to a 6/10 in a year of use is not worth it for me over a 9/10 which remains a 9/10 forever

[@rgstroud]

HP used to offer 19" glossy 1680 x 1050 monitors and I thought they looked like OLED in quality for the tech at that time and I had 2 of them in 2013, I loved them so much. After that I didn't see anything glossy other than phones until the OLED TVs. Now I bought a 42"C2 but I kept my 32" Samsung VA panel as a second monitor for work and windows and the C2 only runs TV/Games/Videos content (most of what is desired) That way no burn in ever and I kept a monitor that is worthless for resale at this date.

[@abdullaal-naimi9075]

Hey! I knew I wasn't the only one. The glossy monitors looked fantastic, I really wanted one.

[@bumperxx1]

Bro nothing has looked like oled accept for plasma TV yrs ago

[@nerdstrangler4804]

I am a recent glossy convert due to my 48CX. Honestly, I remember glossy monitors being a nightmare back in the day and constantly having to battle sunlight by putting blankets and things over the windows (didn't know about blackout curtains back then) if I wanted to use my computer during the day. It was only thanks to the allure of OLED I was willing to give glossy another shot, and figured I would just buy blackout curtains or whatever, but surprisingly reflections haven't been an issue. I think due to advancements in brightness, anti-reflective coatings and polarizers etc. glossy screens look a lot better and don't have nearly the drawbacks that they used to. Granted I am also using one of the highest end displays on the market. So I have no idea if the experience transfers to midrange and budget displays. I suspect a lot of people are like me and so scarred from trying to use crappy glossy monitors in poorly light controlled rooms that they just completely wrote them off. Probably going to be a long uphill battle for manufacturers to convince people to want glossy monitors. Because even though I am now a convert, if I had the option to buy a matte OLED at the time, I would have taken it in a heartbeat.

[@shingod700]

Do you think Microsoft will support triangle sub-pixel at some point to avoid fringing?

[@Kubose]

I went from an Alienware monitor that had a G-sync module to a Samsung Odyssey G7 that is G-sync compatible, and I gotta say I do miss that G-sync module sometimes. I never had any of the issues I have on this screen (vrr flicker at various refresh rates, on/off vrr control toggle that allegedly increases input lag but fixes this issue, vrr range only going down to ~80hz). To be fair some of these issues are purely the fault of the screen itself and not really due to lack of a G-sync module, but my LG C1 also has some flickering at the lower end of the VRR range, and the vrr range only goes down to ~43hz (which is surprisingly annoying because I've found I can tolerate 40fps for some games, but LFC just doesn't cut it for me). It's not the end of the world, but I do miss just setting it and forgetting it, and being able to cap my fps at literally whatever and having VRR just work.

[@Apollo-Computers]

I have had the freesync premium pro and gsync monitors and I agree with what you said. I'll take the actual module everytime.

[@eniff2925]

You can set your own VRR range with CRU.

[@enzog1078]

So, G-Sync Ultimate is not necessary for VRR with full HDR implementation with an NVIDIA card?

[@ΓιάννηςΧατζηγεωργίου-θ9σ]

Amazing...just amazing!! It's amazing the fact that the best tech channel on the internet today (imho) has 63,2K subscribers and a bunch of clowns out there have millions. Keep up the excellent work you guys!! Wish you the best for the future!!

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Millions of flies can't be wrong.

[@velzun8075]

Do you live under a rock? The main channel has nearly 1m subscribers.

[@Premier024]

My lg cx has 11000 hours on it so far and it has 0 burn in. If you use the features built into oleds it's not really an issue. Pixel shift logo dimming and set a screen timeout so shit doesn't just sit on it for hours and hours at a time.

[@telepresencebot2]

re: black frame insertion on OLED: I would posit that there's a chance that these two actually pair _very badly_ together. If it's not qd-oled you aren't just turning on and off the backlight, you're turning on and off the color too, which might introduce overshoot/undershoot issues. It might also wear out the oled pixels faster because you're putting more peak instantaneous power into the oled pixels.

[@b1zzler]

even if black frame insertion did work well on OLED, how on earth would that be worth it when the response time is just 0.3ms anyway?

[@telepresencebot2]

@@b1zzler in theory it improves perceived clarity, but yeah, probably a lot less so on an OLED even if it did work the same as a backlit monitor

[@toddsimone7182]

Correct me if I'm wrong but monitors with a gsync module have a much wider range of adaptive refresh and usually go down to as little as 1Hz where as a Freesync monitor might only range down to 48Hz for example on a 75Hz panel.

[@SuperSuperka]

Glossy always wins as no crystal effect, better sharpness and more contrast as matte panels catches any photons in the room covering all with matte reflections. While you can add antireflective coating on glossy screen (same coating as on the lens) you cannot do this with matte screens. The problem is that majority of users still thinks that matte screens "reflects less", while in reality it is the opposite.

[@ilusjon]

Yes you can make a matte screen glossy and vice versa... ebay has sheets of screen protectors you can buy. And I would argue the further the distance of the matte laminate the worse the effects are, so it should really be as close as possible to the pixel and therefore they should default to matte. As for the "majority of users" statement, in reality its not an opposite they diffuse light that hits the surface reducing the peak brightness of a light source viewed as a reflection, which is what you want. If you want to see your eyes staring back at you in the middle of the night be my guest...

[@SuperSuperka]

@@ilusjon Screens are glossy by nature. Mate film doing all worse collecting all the light even from sides, crushing contrast to smth like 1:300 even in softly-light room. Glossy screens can be covered with anti-glare coating (commonly used on TVs screen, reducing reflection to smth like Fresnel IOR 1.1), matte cannot. I do no accept heavy spoiling image of matte film. "Dave2D How Has Nobody Made This Before" (search on KZbin) showed what I knew since first LCD began to appear in CGI studios.

[@92trdman]

Inverse Ghosting is the new "stutter " when old panel OD technology can't catch up to any type of high refresh rate. (In reality you still watching 5-6ms motion respond time)

[@Skylancer727]

The black frame insertion question is likely a reaction to LG removing it from their newer TVs. Their old ones used to support it but following the C1 they stopped adding it.

[@Weaver_Games]

And the CX had such an amazing BFI implementation. Makes no sense to remove it.

[@randxalthor]

Regarding strobing, perceived brightness is, IIRC, the peak brightness, not the average brightness. As long as the lights are strobed faster than human cognition, the maximum brightness is the perceived brightness. This is why many LEDs are driven at 60Hz, including on LED automobile headlights. It reduces the thermal load on the LED (average power) while increasing perceived brightness. Some basic work done by undergrads in an embedded systems course found that human eyes could perceive light from pulses as short as tens of microseconds. So, yes, strobing on OLEDs could be great, but it would depend heavily on the capacitance of the OLEDs (higher capacitance would require higher, more damaging drive voltage for shorter pulses) and the dynamic behavior of the OLEDs. For all I know, OLEDs have a cycle lifetime and on/off cycles wear them down.

[@GameslordXY]

There is something about Heatsinks helping about Burn In. Well among TVs at the very least

[@doggiehowzer]

According to an LTT review of the cheaper DWF model, it seemed that Dell couldn’t provide firmware updates on the DW because it wasn’t possible on the GSync module short of shipping the monitor back to the factory.

[@0LoneTech]

I once got a high end Asus monitor, which came with lots of congratulatory claims of "VIP service". Truth was they offered exactly NO service, just pointing fingers at the G-sync module, as if that was some third party accessory. It's a component of the monitor, so it's the manufacturer's responsibility. That doesn't mean it's a *good* component.

[@sammiller6631]

@@0LoneTech Maybe the fine print of the claims read VIP as "Very Ignored Person"?

[@thanos1000000fc]

Should I buy the DW? The DWF is not available in my country for some reason.

[@macht242]

@@thanos1000000fc Current DW is more updated than launch ones but it's best to wait for a sale and check out for any future revisions.

[@sammiller6631]

@@thanos1000000fc Maybe the DWF is slated to show up there soon

[@why_though]

People will want the highest brightness possible (which is not needed in a dark room), while also wanting a glossy display (which is only usable in a dark room). The hypocrisy lol.

[@teknonmy7210]

OLED burn-in will always be a problem as long as (A) I have to care about it and (B) OLED displays need to be packaged with burn-in protection software (that tends to be buggy and a general PITA). If regular OLED burns in at 500 hours (3 months of 40 hour weeks), it has to get to 3 years of 40 hour weeks for me to consider going back to OLED. Until then, mini-LED gets brighter, I don't have to care about burn-in, you can barely tell there's brightness zones in real content (with more than ~400 zones for a 32" monitor) and I can use it in a bright room. QD-OLED makers talk about specular highlights a lot, but the full panel brightness is just as pathetic and embarrassing as WOLED.

[@andrewharrop2512]

Have you considered reviewing the Samsung S95B. Although doesn't come in a particularly monitor friendly size, I'm sure this tech will find its way into smaller units in the future. Currently RTINGS have it as their #1 gaming TV and would be interested to see how it does in your testing vs the C2. Love the content btw.

[@christopherarocha92]

I went with s95b 55 last year and haven’t had a single issue. Very nice tv for pc gaming at 4K.

[@deadbc77]

I was playing Witcher 3 next gen on my 55" s95b last night.

[@Unicornpirate]

It's probably going to be the same review as the AW QD-OLED since they both have the same panel from Samsung Display. The TV will probably be slightly slower due to the lower refresh rate and picture processing chip since it's a TV.

[@Chrissage-Gaming]

I love my 65in S95B for 4K gaming, it's a beast. I have it running at 144hz, 10 bit colour with VRR on running off of my 4090 with a few simple tweaks in the Nvidia control panel, it's an absolute glorious gaming experience. I also have the G8 OLED sitting next to it. My S95B has been perfect, not a single issue. Perfectly straight out of the box, not a single issue so far. I also have two of them, both were perfect out of the box.

[@christopherarocha92]

@@deadbc77 beautiful game on the oled

[@chrisvicera6696]

I wonder if monitors can integrate technologies like RSR into the scalar directly? Rather than like the default algorithm

[@jadamsnz]

I'm guessing that the compute power required for RSR would make that impractical.

[@Kiyometa]

I think one reason Samsung might have done the micro connectors is that it semi-forces people to use their included connectors instead of ones they already have. Considering that user may have a poor experience if they just grab a random DP cable ignorantly and use a DP 1.2 cable, then complain/RMA/Return the display because it cannot operate at its advertised speeds.

[@mirafu3481]

If i remember correctly, you can use a dp 1.2 cable for dp 1.4 or even 2.0 and it works just fine with all the features. Correct me if i am wrong.

[@michaelhammond8932]

I think that if someone is savvy enough to notice the speeds, they would know what cable they need. Could be wrong, but that's what I expect.

[@jagvirsodi8192]

My buddy had issues with the g9 using his own cable, but none using the included ones. So I could see that

[@Platinumcoated]

The contrary might be true. Several people (including me) commented that their included DP cable that came with the G7 has issues. Nothing major but it would suggest a lower quality cable. You can find these comments on LTT's DP cable test video

[@mojojojo6292]

@@mirafu3481 you are wrong. Cable matters.

[@astreakaito5625]

The real lie is that 1ms or 0.1ms is a visible difference without BFI. Or that OLEDs aren't blurry (without BFI)

[@martinfodor2848]

What I don't understand about this new hype for OLED monitors in 2023 is that as you mentioned in the video, OLED technology, no matter how much prevention it has, still has a risk of burn in. I just saw the new G8 Oled in a Samsung store and it's all burned. I have thrown away 3 OLED TVs, which were amazing, but didn't last more than 2 years, and now I see that all the new monitors are OLED or QD OLED that also manifest this problem. Burnin's guarantee is not the solution, since it is respected in few countries. Their business is that you change the monitor every two years. If you leave a static image with red or yellow, it burns very quickly. I ended up buying a 4k IPS monitor for this reason. I can't compare the image quality with an oled, but I also don't want to live paranoid taking care of a monitor (as I did with TVs)

[@FG-td4vs]

I highly doubt that the samsung monitor had burn in. That sounds like bs

[@ZioComposite]

If someone is looking to keep their monitor/tv for the long haul I always advise to buy anything but OLED. But for myself, have no problem “upgrading” for the best image fidelity

[@carzombieeatery3216]

Regarding burn-in... I've had my gaming PC connected to my 55" curved LGC6 TV for 6 years, and burn-in started back in 2018... Fast forward, my screen is a mess. That said, I do understand that newer panel tech is supposed to be better, but I'll have to do a deep dive when purchasing my next TV, later this year. To add, I don't think pixel shifting works as well as it should. Back in 2007, I had a Dell XPS connected to a 50" LG Plasma, which had pixel shifting, and never got any burn-in. It's sad that Plasma technology is gone.

[@TonyC2328]

In the U.S there are laws against falsely advertising a product (Response time) that you could technically report to the Federal Trade Commission, but I doubt anything would really come of it. Like you mentioned though, OLEDs are around the corner and I'm super excited to see what happens with those!

[@donnydarko7624]

Sometimes they will lower the temperature in the room that they're doing the response test sin to be able to get better results so they're not false advertising.

[@Born_Stellar]

glossy monitor argument has a fatal hole: glossy TV's. TV's are even more commonly in bright rooms, yet they are all gloss. same with laptop screens, your typical use for a laptop is in a bright area, yet glossy screen. its just thats what they made for years because people think thats what they want. apple makes glossy displays because they look better. I bought a korean monitor a few years ago with a glossy samsung panel and stuff looked amazing, including awesome blacks, and this was an IPS.

[@iPain3G]

For 540Hz you need under 1.8ms average. I don't think that any classical paneltech can achieve those extremly low responsetimes on average. I think the clarity between a 240Hz Oled and the 540TN would be more or less the same but the picturequality will be way way better on the 240Hz Oled. Picturequality matters even in an eSport enviroment. It is way easier to see someone when the colors pop more. A TN picture is often to flat to get a good colorseperation which results in a worse visability overall. Oled also feels way more responsive as any TN, VA or IPS panel i've ever tested. The ultrafast 240Hz and 360Hz feel worse than an 120Hz Oled. Oled feels more like the old tube monitors but with better colors :D I think even an eSport pro will choose the 240Hz Oled over the 540Hz TN when he/she has the choise.

[@Your_Paramour]

A very well tuned TN panel could reach 1.8ms average, and don't forget this is meant to be a brand new panel. Maybe the panel will struggle to get 1.8ms across the refresh rate range, but realistically it only really needs perform well at it's maximum refresh rate since it's only really for a handful of esports titles. I think there is close to zero chance we will be seeing any of these 240hz oled monitors being used in esports tournaments (at least in csgo). The real battle will be whether or not the new 540hz panel gets adopted over the XL2566K with it's 360hz Dyac, and I would guess that 360hz dyac will be marginally sharper than 540hz sample and hold. Zowie also has the massive advantage of being the encumbant in the esports space, both amongst tournament organisers and players.

[@Slixbrah]

asus pg27aqn has like 1.5ms average

[@iPain3G]

@@Slixbrah not even close to 1.5ms. Is more around 2ms with 25% overshoot and around 1.8ms with 50% overshoot. That is unacceptable in my opinion. Overshoot destroy any clarity and the picture looks way worse than every 120Hz Oled. Oled has no overshoot and will also don't have any overshoot at 240Hz.

[@drunkhusband6257]

I would never touch a TN panel I don't care how good the refresh rate is.

[@Your_Paramour]

@@iPain3G Overshoot is naturally lower the higher the refresh rate is. I would be surprised if this monitor didn't have high refresh rate compliance when it's finally released, given the length of time it has been in development and the increased specs over time.

[@Jorozzzzz]

40:50 I have not seen a pro tournament being played on 27 inch monitors, they are all on 24 or 24,5 inch. So my question is where are they 144 hz 24,5 inch 1440p monitors TN or OLED just give me one. Or give me 144 hz 24,5 inch OLED at 1080p.

[@SpuriousECG]

Currently deciding between the AW3423DWF and the 27GR95QE-B, so far I'm leaning towards due to the 240Hz refresh rate though the UW format of the AW3423DWF is also very appealing. If only there was a 34"+ UW 240Hz OLED monitor with high PPI, that would be an easy choice.

[@redclaw72666]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH64qHVvi7eUprc You'll be surprised with the uw format you won't go back to 16:9 ever the F version has a sharpness filter also 165hz beats out 240hz in terms of responses you'll need a 360hz to beat a QD OLED screen, uw format has a lot of pros vs cons plus it's a huge upgrade vs typical 240hz monitors

[@jabedahmed8177]

Qdoled is far superior to woled. 240hz is nice on paper, but 165 v 240 is much less important than 60v144hz.

[@ms3862]

Stay away from DWF. Despite what HUB says here, th re is a big difference I'm between not having a Gsync module. The DWF has lots of issues with gamma flicker, tone map tracking and HDR

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

@@ms3862 It’s a shame, I have the older DW with the GYSNC module which came with an updated firmware 102 and it’s been awesome

[@compdddd]

@@ms3862where are you seeing this

[@nothingelse1520]

I remember 20 years ago people were pissed all monitors were glossy and couldn't understand why they didn't offer matte. "Why do they make these awful reflective shiny screens? It looks HORRIBLE!" Ah how the tables have turned.

[@brucethen]

The other thing with OLED strobing, you are not flashing the back-light, you are flashing the pixel itself, so if it takes 0.3ms to get to blue, it will take 0.3ms to get back to black. For the next frame it is starting from black again and there is never a grey to grey time.

[@StefancraftChannel]

Was about to write the same. If anything, strobing would probably make an OLED display look worse since you now have two transitions per frame instead of one, essentially doubling the response times.

[@elgaen555]

It doesn’t seem to go to black it just changed to the next image, watch slowmo guys video.

[@brucethen]

@Marshmallows by the Fire if it doesn't go black, then by definition it is not BLACK Frame Insertion

[@thedeleted117]

I think black frame insertion or MBR for OLED isn't being implemented because it would wear out the diodes quicker (perhaps) ? voltage increase and decrease to each diode would probably cut its lifespan by more than 70%. Again that's an IMO

[@nKrandom]

Can't wait for a comaprison of the different models with the new 27" 240Hz QHD OLEDs from LG Display. 😍

[@fractalelf7760]

The OLED burn in question and why manufacturers aren’t talking about is the fact is it’s simply no longer a significant risk. If it were, manufacturers would not bother with selling them due to high rates of repairs, returns etc. Can it happen in extreme cases? Yes. Are you with typical usage likely to see it? No. Bit surprised at the notion too they haven’t taken certain refinements forward, they have most certainly. Other channels have covered this in depth. No one should concern themselves deeply on this point, and never forget - ALL monitor technologies have a potential for burn in on some level…. Do you worry about it? Acting like OLED is new in 2023 is nuts, my first OLED panel was on a laptop from 2016 with no burn in after hundreds of hours playing Overwatch and Kerbal Space Program in multi-hour sessions.

[@why_though]

IMO having to drastically change the way you use a monitor to avoid burn-in just makes it not worth at all to get OLED. I much prefer a sliiiiiightly worse image on a monitor that I can use the way I truly want.

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

You dont have to at all. I use my 2019 OLED as monitor and it has no burn in. Just set brightness to ~50%. Pixels on OLEDs wont really care about that.

[@why_though]

@@theipc-twizzt2789 That's not enough, I need a screen to last at least 10 years with 15h/day of static images. Oh and what's the point of having a better picture with an OLED if you then have to lower the brightness making the picture bad again in comparison to an LCD which you can run at the brightness you want for often over a decade.

[@overnightdelivery]

@@why_though I'd agree with you. However it seems you'd be quite lucky to get 10 years out of any tech being made these days. Nothing is really designed to last that long anymore. Even if technically SHOULD last longer.

[@RelaxedKiller]

@@why_though Are you looking at your screen 15 hours a day? If it's a screen used in a store to display a menu or something then there's no point in getting oled

[@cguy2guy511]

@@why_though Oled doesn't need to be as bright as lcd to have a great even much better image. Unless you are in a bright room. I find Oled easier on my eyes than my extra bright washed out lcd screen colors.

[@hadoukenocx4746]

I am sick of 27 - 1440p monitor and we still dont have 32 inch or 40 inch 4K Oled Gaming monitors. but yes we have 13gen cpus 4090 gpus and 79503d cpus and gen 5 m.2 and gen 4 m.2 monitors are stuck in time and theiy want cash for old tv tec f that.

[@vidfreak56]

Also monitor coatings aren't always up to the major brands because the LCD panels come with matte coating from the LCD panel manufacturers themselves like (INNOLUX or AUO). There probably aren't many options from anyone other than samsung or LG since they produce most of their own technology.

[@Voltaire321]

As someone that uses my computer for both productivity and gaming I could never buy an OLED display due to burn in. I feel like a lot of or maybe most people are in the same boat, yet monitor manufacturers seem to steaming ahead with OLED displays. I'm starting the think that they just love the short lifespan of these monitors as it will drive additional sales as people replace their "burnt in" monitors.

[@gex581990]

lol your loss. Only morons get Oled Burn In. It's like throwing your pc in the water then blaming Intel for your pc frying. "Intel fry is a real concern guys". Keep the burn in safety features on, make your taskbar hide when not used, use slideshow or active background, don't leave stuff on your desktop, turn off monitor/when or sleep when not in use, use pixel refresher once or twice a year, and tahhh dahhhh no burn in. Dipshits don't do any of that and leave the same things up for hours on end daily then wonder why they get burn in. I've been using my CX daily for pc use, console, movies, streaming, and my girlfriend is constantly using it while I'm at work for past 2 years and looks as good as it did when I got it. If you wanna ride the shortbus cause the dentheads in it are crying wolf then have at it.

[@emiel255]

Oh man I agree with this 100% percent. I personally don’t do a lot of productivity on my computer, but I do spend a lot of time behind my computer just browsing and also gaming. I’ll let it’s just a no go for me personally when it comes to PC’a. Yes the image quality is beautiful, but I don’t wanna be worried every time I leave my PC on for hours on end with a lot of static images on the display. Monitors are expensive and a lot of the time I feel like people don’t change their monitor every couple of years and if I have a lot of static images on my screen for many hours throughout the years, I expect burn in to happen fairly fast. When I buy a monitor I want to plug it in maybe a few tweaks here and there and that’s it and if I want to leave my pc on for hours on end with a lot of static images I want to be able to do that without any worries

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Short lifespan + high price. Of course they would be happy to sell it. That's why it's hyped so much now.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

@@emiel255 what panel would you recommend for a new monitor now?

[@emiel255]

@@stanislavkimov2779 definitely Mini LED I want companies to focus on that and improving this panel because the more zones it has the more it will look like OLED without all the OLED risks plus better brightness (HDR)

[@ledizzy2634]

Would active cooling reduce burn-in? Like keeping the actual LED's operating at, say, 10 degrees C cooler, would it help?

[@selectthedead]

Considering the 2nd question, the Problem with the Mini connectors IS the survivability of the connecter. They will Break faster!

[@selectthedead]

Its basically planed obsolesence

[@DMitr0]

when you test the samsung QD OLED G8, could you please also test it with consoles, for the whole HDMI 2.1 suite. i can't find anyone testing it in that regard, and i need a monitor that can do VRR thing with consoles, and i want to know if i should pull the trigger or continue to live with the issue of the consoles rarely really holding a stable 60. seeing how the 120 fairs would also be interesting, but nothing i'm keeping my hopes up, as the new consoles are already underpowered, compared to how far PC leaped since release. heard good and bad things about it, so a review is desperatly needed. thanks for the great videos.

[@martinfodor2848]

I loved this Q&A video. I have a question about the difference between Gsync compatible vs those that have the Gsync Module. I just bought an LG 32950 4k IPS and it says it's Gsync Compatible, but somewhere I read that it doesn't have the module. Is there a difference? It looks perfect and the Nvidia control panel recognizes it perfectly.

[@davidbrennan5]

I remember when Plasma tv's first came out, a friend had a nice one and he fell asleep watching a movie, the DVD menu's background burned into his brand new tv the first week he bought it, I waited for LED before I bought one.

[@AeroDr]

I think part of the reason why Samsung went with the micro-HDMI and mini-DP is port orientation. Dell's version of the monitor has the ports vertical to the monitor along the bottom edge (they plug in parallel to the panel). That gives them a lot more space to put in the full-size ports, which are both wider and deeper. The Samsung monitor has the ports on the rear face, and the depth of the monitor is quite limited there.

[@singhkrishanu]

I only know Apple and Dough that sell glossy monitors. Apple studio display from a hardware point of view is just fantastic.

[@brucethen]

Multiple OLED screens are also cut from a single larger sheet of glass, depending on how 27" screens fit, it might not be possible to make many of them ( squeezing 2 on the small space left over from 4 48" screens as an example) this would make them more costly to manufacture and also would mean less were available, making them potentially more valuable

[@Kizzster]

Anything is possible when money is to be made. There are too many gigantic OLED's on the market to the point of the displays being too saturated because of too many options. Monitor direction is what should be focused on from now on.

[@winebartender6653]

@@Kizzster They are going to sell more TVs hand over first than a monitor, that's the reality of the situation. OLED has been specifically made for TVs and the motherglass has been optimized for such use. Until motherglass runs used specifically for monitors begins to ramp up, prices are going to be higher. Let's also just remember that this happens with every new tech with monitors. When 120hz 1440p IPS came out (in response to everyone buying cheap B-tier Korean/Chinese monitors that were overclockable) they were around $800...in 2014.

[@Kizzster]

@@winebartender6653 Them making OLED monitors is risk free. People keep making the same excuse for panel cutting. People think monitors will be non profitable for some reason. There is no 4K OLED monitor at 32" if there was those will sell out like hotcakes. There are hundreds of big OLED's models widely available to buy and most people still do not buy OLED, The one that sells the most is the LG C2 which is a bargain.

[@donnydarko7624]

@@Kizzster yeah but if they don't make 32" 4K OLED monitors with a high enough refresh rate taking just convince you to pay anymore for whatever. Because then you have to or you don't play.

[@NedRigNerd]

Who cares what finish your monitor has. Matte or glossy you can't see it anyways. The back of the monitor is facing a wall most likely. So what's it matter at that point what finish it has. Oh my bad the 1/16 - 1/4 inch frame around screen. Still makes no sense what finish it has

[@NeillSmith]

For these Q&A videos I think it would be really helpful to keep the question on the screen for the full duration of the answer.

[@evalangley3985]

Tim... burnin for a normal PC user turning is monitor on between 3-5 hours a day, will go thru an OLED with burnin issue in around a year. It is not worth the price tag for such degradation in such a short amount of time. This technology is not made for been in a monitor.

[@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep]

you don't have to worry about burn in if you wear an anti static bracelet.

[@willwunsche6940]

I can't remember do oled flagship phones use a glossy finish? Like the S22U?

[@brett20000000009]

The issue of brightness with OLEDs and BFI (black frame insertion) becomes less of a problem at higher refresh rates and duty cycles. While it may not be possible to achieve the same MPRT as with strobed LCDs, MPRT can be made adjustable, allowing for a reasonable blur reduction with OLED BFI without a significant decrease in brightness. With adjustable MPRT, users can choose the balance between blur and brightness. Crosstalk is not a problem with OLEDs as they do not "strobe" like LCD backlights, but instead use a pixel-on and pixel-off pass to adjust the scanwindow size thus changing mprt. OLEDs have more potential for motion clarity, particularly at higher refresh rates, where LCDs are hindered by crosstalk.

[@goblinphreak2132]

All they have to do with oled is rolling scan black frame insertion. Similar to how a crt scans "pixels" onto the screen and thusly fades in the same scan pattern. OLED tvs already use rolling scan black frame insertion. Not using it on gaming oled monitors is just laziness. I even get people saying "i wont use it so they shouldnt do it" well i dont use g-sync so they shouldnt use it. They don't realize how ignorant they are. No one is saying force black frame insertion on at all times, just like g-sync isnt on at all times. But having it as an option to toggle on would be great for those that will use it. Wish my alienware qd-oled had bfi.... The motion clarity in fps games would be night/day.

[@brett20000000009]

@@goblinphreak2132 I got the AW qdoled and indeed miss bfi for 60fps content compared to a low persistence display, responsetimes only get you so far.

[@goblinphreak2132]

@@brett20000000009 yeah i have the Alienware qd-oled myself and i really wish it had bfi.... My 60hz somy a8h has it and its godly for movies/tv/anime with super smooth motion.

[@branchprediction9923]

i have the g8 oled and it does have bfi in the game menu BUT its greyed out whatever i do. There is also bfi in the picture menu which is also greyed out whatever i do EXCEPT when i use the tv's processor for browsing, yt, etc (so not a pc signal). But for pc use i just cant enable it, its always greyed out. I hope they make an update and fix this. And i think they will.

[@Edinburghdreams]

I love black frame insertion. I'd definitely use it.

[@MR-vj8dn]

I choose to get a G-Sync Ultimate monitor and I don't regret it any day. I get a high quality image and flow of frames.

[@Justathought81]

Got a LG42C2 using it as a monitor desktop icons showing, taskbar shown running in dark mode with a cycling desktop wallpaper, turned off all protection features including TPC and GSR in the service menu, used your color calibration suggestions but have SDR brightness set to 60, we will see how it goes.

[@UltimateLF]

Is it possible to turn off ABL?

[@ThunderingRoar]

@@UltimateLF i think you need to get some special servicing remote control, which isnt too expensive, and i think disabling it voids your warranty

[@teknonmy7210]

@@ThunderingRoar There's a windows desktop utility that gets you the service menu. Your warranty getting voided depends on how much the person they sent for service cares.

[@teknonmy7210]

all this stuff required to run it as a monitor is why I'm not going back to OLED lmao

[@Justathought81]

@@teknonmy7210 The only thing i changed was having a cycling wallpaper with about 6 different images, everything else is normal desktop as ive always used. You do need to enter the service menu though on the TV which is either a remote for 10$ or using software on PC.

[@GraveUypo]

my oled computer screen just clocked 6000 hours last week. still pristine.

[@sbardosi]

G-Sync Ultimate has several advantages including HDR Hardware Tonemapping which makes a huge difference. You can see that by comparing the AW3423DW and the AW3423DWF. I have both next to each other and the DWF has issues with HDR especially with the bright highlights being capped.

[@berengerchristy6256]

I do like the GSYNC modules, I don’t care that I’m paying a premium for it. I have the predator x35 and I’m not getting another monitor without GSYNC ultimate

[@ms3862]

Exactly I mentioned this in another comment. When you enable HDR and out both screens next to exchother the DWF colors look wacky as hell. HUB of course doesn't really visualisevthis for the user because alll they show in the reviews is a bunch of charts and numbers - they need to show screens next to each other on video

[@liam-im1ie]

Anyone know if programs like Ableton are okay on the AW3423DW?

[@ILAN.Y]

Regarding the G-SYNC module, AFAIK it also allows for a better range of VRR support (basically 1Hz and up to the maximum the panel can produce). Unlike monitors that are "G-SYNC Compatible" that don't have the same support. My friend owns an Odyssey G7 27" which he uses with an NVIDIA GPU, but the VRR range *starts* from 80Hz and that's not very good. My friend says (I didn't see for myself) that it feels bad and weird. If he would have used an AMD GPU then the VRR range would have started from 60Hz which is better but not the best. And still he sees flickering sometimes. Now, that's just one monitor but this is why I really like and prefer monitors with the G-SYNC module, as I have owned 3 so far (one of them is my brother's) and all of them were absolutely flawless.

[@aliessa8515]

Why hasn’t the Gsync module been updated to work with the newest standard.. seems nuts

[@Scramblercazador]

2023 feels like the year to buy a new monitor

[@kingplunger6033]

which Marketing department are you working for ?

[@kwinzman]

My next monitor will have DisplayPort 2. So maybe I'll wait another year to upgrade.

[@overnightdelivery]

Some are holding out until 2030 when MicroLED displays are under $1000. But they don't realize the tech industry will be dangling a new tech by that time claiming MicroLED is garbage in comparison. Maybe they bring out SED displays that should have came to market decades ago. 😄

[@adamek9750]

@@overnightdelivery 2030??? Buy an oled today and enjoy it a few years lol

[@overnightdelivery]

@@adamek9750 That's what I would do. But some only want the 'best'. 😉

[@tool8337]

What is the best 32inch 1440 non-oled? Looking for something that is supreme for productivity, gaming (motion speed and clarity) and content at any price. Hopefully there’s something that has great pixel response, at a high refresh, that doesn’t sacrifice contrast or text clarity. I don’t really need ultra wide or 4k.

[@ginjabrad]

Thank you @UnicornPirate for asking your question about OLED vs TN motion blur. I went with the PG27AQN, the Gsync module (full vrr range) and the low latency analyzer are invaluable to me. I hope the OLED MLA tech improves dark scene detail but from what I have seen reviewers saying it's still a dark panel especially for games like tarkov or warzone 2 with darker environments. Just my two cents in what I chose for my setup. Great video can't wait to see more.

[@Unicornpirate]

You're welcome

[@Kubose]

Do you have any issues with VRR with the PG27AQN (like flickering)? I've been thinking about pulling the trigger on one.

[@Unicornpirate]

@@Kubose Oh I don't use that monitor. I just saw you mentioned me for asking that question and said you're welcome lol. I'm using a Zowie XL2566K TN. It's great right now as I go for speed. I asked that because of the new OLED 240hz monitor and was wondering if it's going to be faster than the new 540hz panel coming out. I use a LG CX for couch gaming and it's great

[@ginjabrad]

@@Kubose The PG27AQN is a amazing panel imo. I have tested it on most games and vrr works great for me. One thing about Asus is the firmware support they offer so I'm sure if there's an issue they can fix it.

[@dunar1005]

FYI, That red part of your right cheek could be a Seborrhoeic dermatitis

[@OscyJack-]

I have the awdwf 34 qd OLED. I have had 7 ultrawides, all IPS, prior to getting this. What I can say is that this monitor is a 100% game changer. The one thing I wish it had was 240hz. But I assume next gen will. Even at 165hz, this thing is just so damned quick

[@enzog1078]

Dude , with OLED, there is virtually no difference between 165 and 240. I have the 175hz version and it literally could not be any perceptibly clearer. Better then any 240 non oled I’ve ever used.

[@OscyJack-]

@@enzog1078 compared to each other, OLED v OLED. There are indeed input response related reductions between 165(175) and 240. (When capped) That said, I have no complaints with this monitor whatsoever. But, being able to actually produce 35% more visible frames is definitely an upgrade. Just a marginal one ;). I agree overall that OLED 175 is virtually 300+Hz IPS/va/tn. And the pixels are dang lightning quick. Generally my goal with 240 is running with no frame cap to increase my 1% lows. Which in some games, is as low as 130 due to capping at 163. Whereas running uncapped, my 1% lows are closer to 200. It's not so much the high end of Hz range I want to see as much as I want my lows maxed out for maximum butteryness. 13700k/4090 build, fwiw The mathed out difference between 165/240hz is about 1.5ms overall. When we are granular already with the speeds the oleds produce, percentage wise, it's not insignificant. Not to mention, a smoother overall rendering sequence. Yes, I'm fully aware I'm splitting hairs between 175/240 both OLED, but, if they are there to split, split them I shall! Haha

[@DarkReturns1]

@@OscyJack- why does capping your fps effect your 1% lows? I didn't know that was a thing. I have a similar setup except I'm on a 4080 and a LG C1. I'll usually set a cap of 120 so I don't go over

[@OscyJack-]

@@DarkReturns1 lows are always lower than the high and formulaic in nature. So if you prevent the fps from reaching it's max, you in turn also prevent the lows from being higher, if that makes sense. It's an artificial low

[@mojojojo6292]

@@OscyJack- that doesn't make any sense. That's not how it works at all. 1% lows will be the same regardless. They are caused by bottlenecks in the system or game engine which will vary depending on scene. It could be the GPU, CPU or memory causing the worst frames.

[@INSANEDOMINANCE]

No issues with burn in on my c1.

[@endx9]

G-sync module still does a better job than Freesync imo, lower LFC range too. Hope NV update it soon..

[@xPlasmaz]

There's a post on /r/monitors right now where someone has burn in on the alienware ultrawide after just owning the products for 2 months, pretty worrying.

[@ZylonFPV]

Regarding gsync module, I see what you mean about the disadvantages with cost, ports, heat, etc… but are there still any advantages to that technology? A while ago I had read that it made a difference in terms of variable overdrive performance, working all the way down to 1hz, and input latency?

[@goblinphreak2132]

G-sync is the same as freesync which are both built on adaptive sync. The only good thing about g-sync is forcing a quality standard. When you buy freesync, the monitor manufacturer will be lazy and not use all the tech available because they arent forced to. G-sync they are forced to. Thats the only difference. Generally i never even use freesync/gsync because my pc is high end enough to get enough fps to match or exceed refresh rate. I generally recommend monitors that suit the user. If for example a friend were playing 1080 and average 144fps i would NOT recommend a 240hz or 360hz monitor. I would recommend a 144hz monitor. Because when a 240hz or 360hz with gsync or freesync enabled drops to a lower refresh rate to match lower fps, the pixel response gets worse. Monitors are "tuned" for max refresh rate. The only display type that doesn't change pixel response based on refresh rate is OLED. So budget wise you should buy a monitor that meets your performance and does not exceed it.

[@spaghettilocomotive]

I'd prefer a g-sync module in my Neo G8 if it was up to me, I'd gladly pay the premium. The monitor flickers during loading, or parts where the fps is fluctuating. I never experienced this with my previous monitor with hardware g-sync.

[@branchprediction9923]

@@spaghettilocomotive the alienware qd oled with a gsync module flickers too.

[@spaghettilocomotive]

@@branchprediction9923 Really now? That sucks. All versions, or only the first specimens?

[@branchprediction9923]

@@spaghettilocomotive the first one with the gsync module has flickering but the later dwf model without the gsync modules has been reported to have more flickering. My source would be reddit. I myself have the g8 qd oled which has zero flickering when vrr control is enabled in options (vrr control does not need to be on to run adaptive sync, i dont know what this does tbh, but without it it defenitelly flickers).

[@qubes8728]

I think gaming and windows on oled will cause burn in faster than watching tv. HUD elements and static images from desktop are gonna cause a lot of problems.

[@MenkoDany]

When I got my 4k 144hz and 3080 I expected to switch to 1080p native quite often, but so far I don't think I've done it once. In the cases I needed the performance, DLSS2 was enough. Ever since I switched to the 4090, I haven't even thought about it, 4k all the time

[@rpospeedwagon]

2160p is insane. I switched from a 4K 144hz IPS to a 3440x1440p AW QD-OLED. I use DSR to downscale a higher than native resolution, which helps a ton. But I hope to see an actual OLED monitor at 2160p or 5160x2160 UW. 4090 is the ultimate luxury. I was hesitant but ultimately glad I got one.

[@MenkoDany]

@@rpospeedwagon I bought my 4090 partly for work and then I got fired 3 weeks later :D It's a good card though. Can't wait for Racer RTX

[@juice2]

1ms solution would be to let them use it, but also invent a standardized metric for "honest" response time, that can be used in marketing alongside 1ms lies. Kind of like vesa HDR ratings. Idk who would do it though, probably nobody.

[@Centrioless]

The rule is very simple. If burn in is not a concern, they would put a warranty against it.

[@adamek9750]

Not true. My alienware has 3 years warranty. But users are already seeing burn in. Not even been a year yet.

[@KLiNoTweet]

I'd like to have a glossy monitor. Great vid btw. 😊

[@Rkcuddles]

3840x1600 please why is this not a more popular resolution? 4k is too much, 3440x 1440 is fine for gaming but kinda sucks for productivity. I really miss those extra vertical pixels

[@Gragagrogog]

4k is very good for 32", but yea 27" are in a spot where 1440p is too little and 4k is too much.

[@Rkcuddles]

@@Gragagrogog In the last month, I have tried 48”4k, 38” 3840x1600, 32” 4k, and 34”1440. 38” was a bit too large for that resolution, but otherwise, it was by far my favorite. My 2080ti didn’t struggle with it and the extra pixels (upgrade from 1440) were in just the right places to boost gaming and productivity. In my opinion, 4k adds a ton more vertical pixels that are useless in gaming since they expand your vertical fov. The sky and ground are rarely that interesting. Increase my horizontal fov all day long. I love that…. 1440 for productivity is just a tad too low, otherwise, I would just stick to that resolution.

[@wausjackbauer128]

Would you guys be able to review the MSI G244F? It came out around November 2022 but there's no reviews on the internet of it.

[@pirx9798]

Great Q&A and equally infuriating because of stupid reasons companies prefer making matte screens and ripping one off with OLED prices if they'll just sell.

[@ダニエル-x5d]

As someone who hates glossy screens, I hope those companies keep doing what they’re doing.

[@pirx9798]

@@ダニエル-x5d get windows blinds and then tell me there's no difference. Or keep your matte screen and let others have fun too.

[@peterscott2662]

WRT to this question: "Why Does 27-inch OLED Cost More than an OLED TV?" It doesn't The new LG 27" OLED monitor has MSRP of $999, which is less than a OLED TV MSRP.

[@shawtdusanshawt]

Yes, this is only because "gamin" name! Stupid.

[@Skylancer727]

I think the reason monitor companies mainly make matte displays is because businesses tend to prefer them. I have seen businesses using gaming monitors for work monitors, and glossy isn't the greatest under the blaring florescent lighting. Still personally I think glossy still looks better than matte even in bright rooms. Since it sits in one spot you can literally just turn your setup or move the lamp and you don't have the same glare or in many cases matte displays washing out the entire image honestly looks worse to me.

[@phasechange5053]

Don't most monitors that have the full G-sync modules end up having very low input lag (mouse click to screen response). I've heard that brought up alot.

[@y_zass]

I think the Gsync module is still relevant in the high end product segment and having the module does offer the best experience. I'm happy they finally let Gsync function with the open standards though. I use Gsync with my RTX 3080 12gb on a Monoprice Dark Matter 27" 1440p 180hz IGZO-IPS monitor, a great lesser-known monitor. I have never been satisfied when viewing the UFO test until doing so on this monitor. I was honestly in disbelief, zero motion blur / ghosting. I think the IGZO TFT Backplane is helping out with pixel response times or something. This is a monitor to consider with an MSRP of $350 but on sale more often than not for as low as $200. The Sharp 10bit IGZO-IPS panel sets it apart from the rest. It also has a USB C with power and display over USB.

[@kelownatechkid]

I love the gsync initiative, IMO it has produced the biggest change in the industry felt by actual gamers in the last decade. I never want to go back to before vrr products exist. I am lucky to have a second-gen gsync 1440p165hz display (acer xb271hu bmiprz)

[@JimIBobIJones]

People are already reporting burn-in issues with their QD-OLED online. Hard to pin down sample size, but seems to be more people who are trying to use it as a normal productivity monitor. Seems ridiculous to spend the price of a high end gaming PC on a monitor alone and have to baby it and not have basic functionality (backgrounds, taskbars, word/excel, etc.) without having to worry about doing permanent damage.

[@marsovac]

Hi Tim, you are just assuming for the Smart TV functionality. It might be true to a minor degree only. TVs were cheaper than high end monitors even 20 years ago when there was no "Smart" functionality in TVs. I think it goes like that because of volume. Hundreds or thousand times more TVs are sold than monitors, so the tooling and development cost is basically zero for a TV and not so much for a monitor. And of course high end monitors are a niche that can be sold at a higher price.

[@thomasfischer9259]

Your gsync validation comment is baffling since AMD free sync on the dwf offers more features and tuning. Dell just proved the module is a 200 buck tax for sheep

[@darkktint5974]

That’s why I will wait for the QD OLED gaming monitors.😊

[@OscyJack-]

They already exist.

[@littleboyred1]

Some mobile devices only have micro HDMI or mini DP, not the full-sized ports. So if you wanna hook them up to an external display, you may not have other options. Now that USB-C is standard, i'm assuming those ports are gonna get more and more uncommon. But i've never heard of someone using those for space or for a "sleek look." Only because the devices didn't offer other options.