On Quiet Quitting

Where responsibility is abdicated, there is opportunity.
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#quietquitting

[@ShortFatOtaku]

Me at my old job: "Oh boy, a $2 Tim Horton's gift card. Yay. Guess I'll sell more paint or something." Me now: "Oh right, I forgot to do this this and this. I'll get on that ASAP." Get bent, corpos. - Editor Dave

[@AspiringDevil]

@@silvercamaro78 yes lmao 🤣

[@AspiringDevil]

I'll always remember that change in the economy. When I was young if you worked hard you got bonuses & favorable treat. I have had so many younger relatives working the same job as hard & having to surrender theyre private life to the company & all they get is a gift card once a year for Christmas never valuing above 5 dollars. Right to work is a cruel joke.

[@lithunoisan]

??? Getting on OFK ASAP?

[@nicksdavessw]

@@lithunoisan In exchange for Tim Horton's/Wendy's gift cards

[@nicksdavessw]

@@silvercamaro78 You know it lol - Dave

[@TheGreenKnight500]

When you have: >An economy where your money is worth less and less every day >Employers who provide very little room for advancement >A lonely social environment where most people will never settle down and raise a family >A government that actively hates its own populace >A highly materialistic culture where there's no higher power and nothing to hope for besides the pleasures of the material world It's not a mystery why no one has any motivation.

[@pridefall3304]

this guy gets it

[@wolfboy20]

Facts Plus Tax

[@Rebrn-bk5em]

Add in diversity hires and nepotism while you’re at it

[@ximthedespot4673]

Might be one of the reasons Japan's population is aging. Imagine if Shinzo Abi tackled that instead of going after anime and manga, he'd probably be more popular.

[@zatoby6705]

@@ximthedespot4673 well he's dead so...

[@igooog]

"quiet quitting"/doing the bare minimum is kind of an inevitable phenomenon among people with no motivation or hope for improvement. There's an argument to be made that quiet quitting is more often a symptom of a poor or unrewarding work environment. Unions, however, seem eager to abuse it.

[@baconboi4482]

Unions don’t exist for the worker, they exist for themselves

[@npcimknot958]

that's eqyuty. equalnoutcome no matter if u try or u dont

[@bruhdabones]

I feel like if I’m doing “quiet quitting” I’m also going to be looking for a new job… these people have no goals and if you’re always phoning it in at work, that’s career suicide

[@JohnDoe-yk3ji]

Just do what I do, work a place until you want to fight your boss, get a new job when you feel like it, I'm in Australia, no qualifications and I made 62k last financial year and will probably make closer to 70 this year. Every day I wake up and go to work feeling like I'm doing something for myself, that happens to benefit my boss, not the other way around..

[@jimbob8726]

Whenever there's an opportunity to be a victim and get away with less responsibility while getting just as much opportunities... expect lefties to take it.

[@TheLurker1647]

“Quiet quitting” being just “work to rule” is yet another case of millennials and zoomers “discovering” common sense. Like when feminists said, “I’m not just going to sleep with every man I see, I’m going to wait until he’s committed to our relationship” and we all slow clapped that they had invented the concept of marriage.

[@shadowangel6359]

[Slow clap] Congratulations on re-inventing a generation-old concept. Have a cookie.

[@Dilbert1999]

"If you don't like you job, you don't strike. You just go in every day, and do it really half-assed! That's the American way!" ~Homer Simpson

[@nikoclesceri2267]

I have actually done this without knowing it. Back when I worked in a restaurant I worked my ass off to get raised from $10/hr to $14.25/hr over two years. With the raises came more responsibility and No acknowledgment of my hard work. When I learned that they started paying starting employees $14/hr I stopped doing all the extra work I use to. If you are paying me a quarter more than the useless shits you hired yesterday than I’m only doing a quarter worth more work than them

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

My first job was at $7 an hour, and those bastards always put me on the busiest shift most nights.

[@orppranator5230]

You only got a raise due to inflation, sadly.

[@DJFlare84]

I recently quit a job where I was making about 9-10/hr and this was around the start of Covid. After the lockdowns hit and employees started getting harder to find (you know, because people reasonably discovered that they made more money off of the help programs sitting on their asses at home, especially if they had a bunch of kids), my job started raising the pay they were offering new employees to about 12 bucks. I was not considered for a raise and just about everyone there was consistently treated like shit by corporate who thought they knew how to run an establishment they spent 0 time in better than the people who had to live there. Needless to say I left without a word at one point.

[@artimmenersilvers7841]

At my current job I got raised from $11.00 to $14.00 after three years. This new girl they just hired starts out at $16.25. I’m a bit livid

[@MrMr-ws3tv]

To be a Leading Hand in my company you get an extra $2hr. Not worth the responsibility so why bother.

[@silvermknight]

The problem is when you "go above and beyond" and still get passed over for promotions no matter what you do. Sometimes you get stuck in a job because management gets more benefit from keeping you right where you are because they won't be able to find anyone better at your job.

[@Rebrn-bk5em]

Nepotism

[@terradraca]

It happens and such a firm is likely going to flounder in the long term. But make no mistake, marxism absolutely would NOT solve this.

[@andrewlesniak8018]

And that is when you go job hunting.

[@jimmythecrow]

@@andrewlesniak8018 i swear some of you have and only will work minimum wage jobs. High paying jobs dont come easy.

[@michaelmoore2679]

Isn’t that the exact premise of that Get Smart movie?

[@Mynaras]

Millennials discover "boundaries" and think it's a revolutionary new thing. My generation is so dumb.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

laughs in zoomer* hoo boy just you wait

[@lammbokid0505]

@@jimbothegymbro7086 it's gonna be interesting as more and more zoomers enter the workforce

[@SassyTesla]

underrated comment

[@WildZephyr]

*laughs in Gen X*

[@robertbeisert3315]

Now, let's be fair. We've got a whole social factory designed to pump out half-educated children with no spines nor wisdom. The elders neither pass on their received nor learned wisdom to the next generation, but rather despise them for their youth. In the same way, the youth despise their elders for their hatred and stinginess. That's why every re-discovery gets a new name. Been like that for over 100 years in the West - look at old management and self help books; they all say the same things, but all act like they just discovered something new.

[@cthomaspeasant3059]

At my job, I would take quiet quitters over the overtly childish and lazy new hires we keep getting

[@CoruptedJester]

Bro same. I just want my warehouse crew to do the minimum required, but they can’t even manage that!

[@jedd.0322]

100 percent

[@salpertia]

@@CoruptedJester Amazon?

[@lordkrauser]

What kills me is at my job I get more eager and hardworking younger workers (19-25 year olds) that actually want to work. The struggle comes when we get folks that are older than that who are set in their ways and don't want to do shit except bullshit all day or be creeps towards the younger female employees.

[@IPA300]

Or maybe a small business that is unfairly treated with the same scorn that Amazon gets?

[@bigboypal]

"I have just discovered the concept of work-life boundary, so I'll repackage it as a new philosophy to hide my embarrassment"

[@kurumachikuroe442]

basically lol. we live in an golden age of grifters.

[@Endymion766]

in China they're calling it "lie flat" movement. Why work hard when every dollar you make starts disintegrating before you can even spend it? What's the point in saving if every dollar you save watches the price of housing go up by 2 dollars? Basically, when the worker realizes he's on a treadmill and is still going backwards no matter how fast he goes, eventually he just stops running and starts walking.

[@npcimknot958]

colour revolution in China same thing. why work hard when thr other person doesn't work but u both get paid the same. equity.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

I've been hearing about that. It must be much worse in China considering you have even fewer options to advance and improve your life over there. People worry about us getting into a war with China but we have to recognize that just about every problem we have in the West is multiplied by 100 in China.

[@um536vids2]

@@TheGreenKnight500 yeah but, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact fell apart. Different flavors of Communism fight fiercely.

[@jimmythecrow]

@@um536vids2 communists are retards

[@RobertMorgan]

I thought lie flat was FAR worse than this, that it's in every facet of life, they stop eating, they stop fucking, they stop being a consumer and don't buy anything, they just exist. They lie flat and do literally nothing. In the US it's the opposite, people doing the bare minimum because they're jaded they can't do MORE. They aren't the young influencer billionaire with 100 million subs they were promised by media.

[@diy_cat9817]

"You want my labor, pay me better or I'll find someone who will!" Yes, that's literally how it works. Welcome to capitalism.

[@monk3110]

It not that they know nothing. It’s that they know so much that isn’t so… like wrong definitions

[@limabarreto911]

​@@monk3110they know less then nothing

[@orokushi5953]

"They pay you in promotion." If there are 10 people competing for 1 promotion, there are 9 losers left after years of going "above and beyond".

[@gregoryfilin8040]

If you're smart, you will have multiple positions lined up.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@gregoryfilin8040 Still doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, there will be many more losers than winners in that situation.

[@WildZephyr]

Yeah, these "promotions" are just a mirage most of the time. Of course, that means the best way to get promoted is to make your own. (ie, go look for a new job) And then they complain that we have no loyalty lol

[@musicninja98]

@@Lobsterwithinternet There will be more losers for that promotion, but people retire, die, or get fired so there will be more promotion opportunities. You can also jump companies to secure a promotion elsewhere. You are not limited to the current company you work for. Or if you are wise with your money, you can start your own business and promote yourself to Owner.

[@CedarHunt]

It's the corporate equivalent of being paid in exposure.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

quite quitting is literally what you see in the trades, you get what you pay for if you pay minimum wage you get minimum effort if you pay top dollar you get prideful top of the line effort and most tradesmen in factories won't work a single minute over what they get paid unless they're personally invested in the business it's not new but it seems new to the hustle office jobs that quite literally suck your soul out through your desk chair

[@liltateinc.9942]

As someone who's done some welding and other labor jobs, can confirm. If you want me to care, you have to pay me to

[@TheGreenKnight500]

It's pretty simple: if you want people to put in more work, you have to have more incentives. I've worked at a few places now where it was extremely obvious that no one was ever getting a raise no matter how hard they tried or how important they were. It's why I quit my previous job. Humans have this wonderful ability called "pattern recognition" and it works incredibly well even in people who aren't that smart. It's why corpo-media is constantly trying to demonize basic pattern-recognition as "racism", "conspiracy theories", etc.

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

I can already tell you, some people are useless no matter what you pay them. I don't know very many people who would work twice as hard if you doubled their earnings and they kept the same amount of hours. I've gone to some restaurants for example where they aren't even busy and it takes like 20 minutes for them to come ask us for our order. This was well before COVID too. So it wasn't like they were short staff or anything.

[@BearPawSwipe]

@@liltateinc.9942 I feel like that is the correct mindset for anyone!

[@ghost-facedhindu4275]

Cheap labor isn't skilled, skilled labor isn't cheap.

[@AFoxinSpace]

When I worked error processing for Verizon Fios, everyone had a Reasonable Expectation (RE) to achieve every day, or a number of cases to handle in order to have 100% RE. I spent months learning the fastest ways to get the cases done in the most efficient way possible, and started getting over 500% RE every day, literally doing the work of 5 people. When we had our bi-annual meeting for evaluations and promotions, my superiors had me stay after my other co-workers left the room, and basically told me that since I was hitting a much higher percentage, it was raising the RE average for everyone else on the team, and since a lot of our team was months away from their 15 years for retirement, they kindly asked that I slow it down as not to "rock the boat."

[@jimmythecrow]

when you do too good youre reprimanded, when youre not doing above the minimum, youre repremanded. When youre doing below standard, youre coddled like a baby and asked if everything is accessible.

[@BearPawSwipe]

Pretty much!

[@uhJerryJackson]

This is why you do the bare minimum and nothing more lol

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@A Fox In Space Love your work btw - Editor Dave

[@MrHonkler]

"Want my labor? Out bid the next guy!" Was the way labor markets were supposed to be before the minimum wage robbed us of our negotiation skills.

[@Tarik360]

Bargaining chips*

[@TheCoon1975]

Exactly, that's another thing that commies can't seem to understand. Anytime the government gets involved they just get in the way and screw up the whole scenario just like when they intervene in our healthcare system so that there's none of the competition between providers that would normally reduce costs and improve results for users.

[@robertbeisert3315]

Not just minimum wage. Soul crushing factory-quality education and a "they got lucky" media culture helped a lot.

[@rwberger6]

And oversaturation of the job markets by incentivizing 2 income households.

[@crispyandspicy6813]

"Want a higher wage? Outskill the next guy" *surprised pikatchu face*

[@nocuh]

Quiet quitting has been the new normal since the late 20th century, in unskilled sectors, especially service industry work

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Of course. Because they can either outsource labor to third-world countries for below market value or bring in illegal immigrants that undercut the market the exact same way. Both of these take away any incentive for companies to not exploit unskilled labor, especially since the majority of the jobs that used to make up the middle class are gone which forces workers to either get skilled or put up with being exploited.

[@princessmarlena1359]

@@Lobsterwithinternet even skilled workers aren’t guaranteed job security or even getting hired. It’s a race to the bottom [line].

[@zxyatiywariii8]

True, and the ironic thing is, I've had better coworkers in UNPAID work than in minimum-wage/low-skill service jobs. I do post-disaster recovery work, and wherever we're working, there are always local people who volunteer too. And amongst us all, I'd say at LEAST 90% are genuinely doing their absolute BEST work; and we inspire each other. (We don't get paid, but sometimes we get free transportation to the area, and we always do get our food and lodging provided. Sometimes "lodging" is an old military-surplus tent from the Vietnam era; sometimes it's cots in the auditorium of a school; and once it was a Regency hotel (!) because the owners comped us our rooms. But whether we're sleeping on a folded-over tarp on the ground, or in a hotel room more beautiful than anywhere else I've ever seen, the vast majority of us are working better and with more dedication than I saw people work in many JOBS.

[@Texasp12]

I feel this. I just didn't have a name it. I just called "shit getting old." syndrome.

[@beejcarson]

I like that.

[@jimmythecrow]

all the child retards who think socialism is capitalism think everything needs a label. Because without it they are nothing.

[@illbeyourmonster1959]

Gen X started this trend decades ago.

[@casperd2100]

In China, it's called "Laying Flat". Dozens of videos on it.

[@casperd2100]

*Lying Flat

[@cmd31220]

Quiet Quitting is more a symptom of a toxic work environment than any outside factors. And it's something unions exploit as much as possible

[@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32]

Also a result of most jobs not having promotion opportunities based on skill and productivity rather it's all nepotism and giving benefits to people in the friend group. I've worked at 4 different places, never seen someone get a raise, or promoted based on skill. I've seen people join a job and get promoted in 6 months despite being a lazy piece of shit that always turned up late just because they were friends with someone in management. The idea of more work equals better outcomes is a lie in most industries.

[@generalralph6291]

I quit the last job BECAUSE I was promoted. I was promised $23/hr in one year, starting at $18 with a quarterly performance review. It soon became clear they were going to be harsh with the performance reviews and deny my quarterly raise. Thus before even making it to my first quarterly after being promoted, I walked out the door without saying a word. I never even told them I was quitting, just walked out. This was a hard job on the welding/fab side of a commercial products heavy manufacturing concern. It was not a joke job. But being a skilled laborer my philosophy is this: If you rob my wallet behind closed doors, I’m leaving you high and dry without saying a word. My labor is worth WAY MORE than $18. I was only accommodating their ridiculous company policies on a temporary basis.

[@AndragonLea]

Quiet quitting always existed, they just called it "you get what you pay for" before. Let's be honest here: when was the last time you worked in a company that did anything but the bare minimum for its employees? Paying above market rate for the roles they seek to fill, having clearly outlined promotion paths, spending more than a pittance on employee convenience or perks, etc. tt. It USED to be that if you wanted good workers, you paid good money and tried to one-up the competition to headhunt the best employees away from the competition. The "quiet quitters" were left for the people looking to pay the bare minimum to get a body to show up for work. Nowadays most companies tend to think you should feel blessed and privileged that they offer you above minimum wage or "competitive" salaries. You're ACTUALLY blessed if your company raises your wages to match inflation without strikes or outside intervention. This has increasingly become the norm in companies the world over. Big million to billion dollar franchises that spend 5 figure sign on gratuities for CEOs and shirk out of spending 2 cents more per cup of coffee or tea for the ordinary worker drone to make up the difference - and then they wonder why said worker drone isn't willing to go the extra mile to help the company out. You get what you pay for and most companies are paying the minimum necessary to get anything at all, so they get the minimum necessary to not get fired from their employees in return. It's just that easy. If you're running a company and you're wondering what to do to get people that aren't silent quitting, consider going above and beyond to make your jobs desirable. Offer perks that are so great that your employees will kick themselves for ruining such a cushy job, THEN you can put on the screws if they don't perform up to your exacting standards. Disclaimer: I'm not advocating that companies should switch to serving the employee as opposed to the owner, shareholders or customers. There's a difference between doing that little bit extra to make sure your employees have AC in hot regions during summer or drinks that don't taste like gym socks and engine oil cut with sewage water and expecting the employer to build you a custom gym as a signing on bonus for becoming a cashier. All I'm saying is that if you want a better grade of employee and expect your employees to go above and beyond, you have to be prepared to do the same in turn. If you don't, anyone that's capable and motivated will either A) move on to a company that DOES try to reward them or B) become disillusioned with hustle culture when their hard work doesn't get rewarded. Either way you eventually end up with a company full of quiet quitters just doing the minimum required to take home a steady paycheck. You can fire them for being slackers if you want, but if you don't increase the incentive you're just replacing them with more slackers eventually, only now you also get to pay for 3 months of on the job training to get them dialed in.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

Nah, fuck the shareholders. Public trading has been the downfall of good management, because guess what happens when you get spineless uppers that can't say "No" to an outrageous budget increase

[@toolfreak50]

"B-but we gave you a pizza party, guys! Why are you leaving?! Don't you take pride in your minimum wage back breaking job?!"

[@AndragonLea]

@@toolfreak50 I worked in a company that sold millions and millions in data recovery jobs a year, often individual jobs that went for five digits. Their actual outlay was minimal. One big office/lab location, some post offices to receive various data storage devices, a small number of highly qualified and experienced data recovery specialists and a sales department + the usual secretaries, admins, etc. I was one of their best salesmen, being at the top of the board every other month, almost. I translated all of their promotional material into my native language, including the entire website. I actively advocated for measures I thought would make the company more profitable. What did they give me when I hit my quotas and topped the sales board that week? My choice of a ten dollar bottle of wine or fruit gums. The base wage was bleeding edge minimum wage, with the remainder to be made up in sales commission. They also changed the commission every couple months to be less generous to low or medium performers, while rewarding only the top few (but, as I found out with some napkin math, always ending up paying less commission overall for the entire department, so most salespeople got shafted and a few made out substantially better to serve as the carrot to the stick of minimum wage). They were bleeding sales staff like mad. Sometimes several sales associate a quarter for the same language/market. You just can't make this sh!t up.

[@AndragonLea]

@@Cha4k Stuff like this is what makes a company good. It takes hard work to make a place a great place to work, most companies just sign a paycheck and expect you to grovel.

[@mrshmuga9]

Don't forget the lack of loyalty. A company could make record profits, and still have tons of lay-offs. Why invest in a company if they can't even reasonably give you job security? After pensions were dropped, so did loyalty and the idea of sticking with a company for 20 or even 10 years. Most probably get laid-off before their 5 year milestone, let alone stick around for longer. They're not going to give you a raise bigger than switching to another company anyway. Only do it if you get skills that can net you a better job at another comapny.

[@anosmibell6473]

I've seen the downsides and upsides to both "living for working" and "working for living" firsthand. Many of my friends put little effort into their jobs, make enough money to pay for minimal living arrangements and to pay for their chosen hobbies, and are perfectly content with their lives. A couple do much the same, but are discontent by not getting the "recognition they deserve" at their jobs they put no effort into. My grandfather, meanwhile, poured everything he had into working, never made much time for his family and never had any hobbies. He retired well-off, but went literally insane not long after due to his entire sense of self worth being tied up in working, and eventually died via stewing in his own filth due to not even having the motivation to get up and use the restroom. However my father also puts his job first, but still makes time for hobbies when he can, and is looking forward to eventually having more time to pursue them, while also taking pride and fulfillment in his work. I've only personally known one person, a good friend of mine, to try to put as much effort as possible into both his professional and personal life. He killed himself a few months ago.

[@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051]

Basically, Quiet quitting is the way to go.

[@dark91911]

Damn that shit is rough my condolences

[@anosmibell6473]

@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 Can be. It's the option I go with, but I think individual personality and approaching either with realistic expectations and a healthy outlook have a lot to do with it too.

[@mrshmuga9]

I'm sorry about your friend, that's awful. I get the point Dev is trying to make, but a lot of companies are "offering" (it's the only option) salary jobs for roles that don't need to be on-call, just so they can get out of paying overtime pay. Because no one can manage anything to actually get done on schedule, so they just grind their workers into dust to get it done. Even for jobs that might need people on weekend shifts, it's not like they _have_ to be salaried to work on those days. Retail jobs are hourly only and you're almost guaranteed to work a weekend shift once or several times a week. It should be reserved for very specific jobs (top level execs, and on-call jobs) because you're sacrificing guaranteed time off for a volatile schedule that can ruin any plans you want to make. You don't truly have "free time". The trade-off is typically a high salary to compensate. A $25/h job should _not_ be salaried. You're not making enough to compensate for the severity of the loss you're enduring, that's the bare minimum to live, the average wage/salary. Companies have gone from trying to win over a prospective worker, to being entitled to a prospective worker. Like they're doing _you_ a solid by giving you a job at all, rather than enticing workers to choose their company over others. If that's their attitude, they don't deserve better. Especially not when they'll lay you off for any minor financial blip on their record. But when the company reaches record profits, do they do anything for their employees that got them there? No of course not. Maybe a cake, but that's it at most. You're just supposed to be happy because the place you work for is doing better, as if you own stocks and benefit from it like the execs do. Or like this is some sports team you're cheering on.

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 If you're not interested in anything like home ownership, raising a family, or anything but owning nothing and being happy, sure.

[@FogHazard]

I'm salaried in a white collar job and I learned that going above and beyond doesn't guarantee anything with promotional opportunities. There are plenty of white collar jobs that prefer to promote people based on immutable characteristics, but will never outright admit it. We even have "Women's Empowerment Roundtables" at my work, even though damn near every manager and high ranking employee is female and they seem to move up the ladder quickly (even when some have proven they do not understand their job). I worked my ass off for a few years before this reality set in and I was passed over for promotions and jobs. Eventually, I "quiet quit" until I got my current boss. Only with her mentoring and approval was I able to move up. I guess it just depends on where you work more than anything else, rather than blue or white collar.

[@robertbeisert3315]

I know someone very skilled and competent who absolutely benefited from those immutable characteristics. She literally got her current job because they wanted a minority woman in that role for social points. She deserves the job, and she's better than most in the same role, but at the same time...

[@FogHazard]

@@robertbeisert3315 That really sucks because I'm sure there are people who will look at her and assume it's only because of those characteristics that she got the job (which may or may not be true). The way I've held on to sanity when being passed over or seeing others move past me in these situations is remembering this: It's their gain, but not my loss. I still have my job. It's not perfect, but it's helped me though some tough times. Not that you asked, but thought I'd share.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

Gotta love people getting work solely because of their skin color or genitals. My company's actual workers are all male, mostly white and native, yet magically corporate leadership is overwhelmingly women, few of whom are white or native. Ain't that quackin crazy?! Needless the say the company is ran like trash because they placed nothing but trash in charge of it.

[@drekbleh7081]

This ain't the early 1900s where many companies were almost communities unto themselves Companies really treat employees expendable while expecting said employees to sacrifice for the employer

[@gtturbo2111]

I work for a Fortune 500 company and have seen lots of people get promotions while doing just the bare minimum (or "quiet quitting" as it's called now apparently). Moving up in the world is much more complex than simply going above and beyond expectations.

[@jdraven0890]

I'm astounded at the people they promote over others. Sometimes it is obvious they are personal friends of the boss or family members etc. Sometimes it's people who talk a better game and just know how to BS.

[@BmanTheChamp]

@@jdraven0890 That's called nepotism.

[@mikzpwnz_3199]

or its shows the opposite of bare minimum: being irreplaceable. if they promote someone that is amazing at that job, productivity would take a hit. this is used by upper management as a ruse from the probable real reason: that person being able to threaten their position if they were noticed by their manager. so promoting someone doing the bare minimum doesn't threaten their position.

[@BboyKeny]

It's a political game. You don't have to be a hard worker, just socially developed.

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@mikzpwnz_3199 I made that mistake. On the plus side, I'm the only person who can do what I do, so I can just about get away with murder. On the down side, I'm never, _ever_ going to be promoted. After a couple of years of getting the lowest raise in the building, though, I'm _definitely_ not going above and beyond, and haven't since I first realized it. Don't get me wrong, I used to - I'd do the work of three or four managers - but after getting the 'recognition' of a lower raise than the guy who was an incompetent assclown, I've checked out.

[@nunyab1975]

Smaller companies are better for effort and excellence recognition. Larger firms are much worse, which is why the biggest companies eventually fail. The jobs where I could walk into the owner’s office were the best.

[@robertbeisert3315]

Caveat: most white collar startups are as toxic as the big corps. You have to be careful.

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

After spending the past decade working for small businesses, I went to work for a large corporation in pursuit of better pay and benefits. The pay and benefits really are much better, but I'm more and more convinced every day that the trade offs aren't worth it.

[@Garrus1995]

I think that ultimately people want to go to work and actually feel valued for their contributions as opposed to feeling like just another cog in a giant machine that’s utterly indifferent to what you do. It’s depressing to work in a field where you put in 40 or more hours a week, work hard to meet deadlines and ensure stuff gets done, but then be faced with the reality that nothing you’re doing makes much difference to anyone and you can be replaced by someone significantly less skilled and/or committed than you the second you walk out the door. How can anyone find satisfaction in their work when the corporate structure that defines most workplaces treats people as pawns rather than as human beings who seek some degree of recognition and reward for their commitment to their work?

[@dantenotavailable]

It seems to me that the overlap of "work/life balance" and "quiet quitting" is fairly significant.

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

I feel like your missing the overlying point that running the rat race for promotions and a better career mean nothing in a society where the classic rewards of a home and family are no longer common.

[@TheAurgelmir]

As someone who prefers working from home: It enabled me to have a bit more of a social life, there are things I can do after work now that was difficult when I was commuting and could risk being stuck in traffic etc. Especially since my job very much revolvs around working with people around the world anyways, doing that from home is just more convenient. And while I on some level understand the "shut in" concerns mentioned, I don't know if it's valid for everyone.

[@BlueBD]

IDK you can be More of a shutin if your job not only drains you but you spend all your time on travel. leaving you with little free time after. You Still end up just as much of a shutin as "Working at home" would.

[@TheAurgelmir]

@@BlueBD "but you are social at work!" I guess 😅

[@TheGreenKnight500]

I'm a web developer/programmer so it's come to the point for me that working from home and working from the office are essentially the same thing. It's a very lonely job even when I'm in the office surrounded by people, so why even come to the office? At least while I'm home, I can get some chores done here and there.

[@CedarHunt]

The shut in argument doesn't hold any water. If someone works from home that doesn't magically mean they never leave their house ever again or refuse to interact with people.

[@BearPawSwipe]

Yah, I said the same thing. It is amazing to be able to WFH & I wouldn't go back to an office.

[@Carandini]

I have to laugh when you said that salaried positions were less likely to be exploited. Dude, in the real world, salaried management are treated like slave labor, putting in 60+ hours a week and ending up earning less per hour than some of the people they're managing.

[@Shatteredstarful]

Amen. Salaried positions unless you're in the upper management are basically "Ha ha we don't have to pay you for overtime now, we own every moment of your life. Check that email and take those after hours calls!"

[@renocarroach6744]

@@Shatteredstarful THIS! Its a con.

[@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32]

Generally speaking yes, but even with pay per hour jobs you are going to get assigned a maximum amount of hours.

[@Dionaea_floridensis]

I'm a wageslave at Chic Fil A. I couldn't care less about that company, but I respect and love my coworkers, so I go above and beyond for them to make their time there easier. That being said they're paying me shit and I'm looking for another job

[@sol-hunter2332]

I "quiet quit" a couple jobs, but it was due to bad management. I tried to go above and beyond and got looked over for a promotion with one of them because the other person was a part of a clique. hate the term, but it is amusing how many people are rediscovering basic principles of life, and acting like they found Atlantis.

[@lainiwakura1776]

I think you're looking for the word clique.

[@sol-hunter2332]

@@lainiwakura1776 yup, thank you, my bad. editing now lol

[@jdraven0890]

I completely busted my ass for my last employer, literally saving an account for them by my efforts. My reward? Get stuck in a lower level position and ignored for the next few years. I didn't know the term quiet quitting either, but at that point why am I going to work more than the minimum hours? And when the president of the company came inquiring when I wasn't going above and beyond I told him he was free to fire me and get somebody else -- his tone changed immediately.

[@ableno.9906]

I think the reason people are acting like they found Atlantis is because no one taught their generation about it before.

[@Hewhowantstoknow]

Unemployed, learning the language in a country to be with my S.O. Everyone at the language school got paid to be there except for me so I applied to jobs, of course didn't get anything. Eventually ended up in an unemployment program and get assigned to work at this place with opportunity for a job if one becomes available, get paid peanuts (About €/$300 in the national currency) Worked there for half a year working my ass off hoping I'd get a job because I really needed the money and job. Only for someone else that only recently started there a few weeks ago to get a job offer right in front of me. You bet your ass I "quiet quit" that place before just outright quitting a few weeks later.

[@spikeshartell4675]

I've busted ass at a lot of hourly jobs and got passed over for promotion in favor of the owners kid, friend etc that barely shows up and when they do don't do shit. Truth is all of this has been a long time coming and it amazes so many companies have yet to figure out they can't keep treating people how they always have and retain employees in the middle of a massive labor shortage. One of the best things I"ve done I feel is becoming self employed. No co workers and no work on place politics or idiot managers who only got the job through connections or brown nosing. Just me and the job at hand.

[@als3022]

Lots more people than we realize have gone that route. With the internet self employed is much easier. And if you keep your overhead low and don't hire anyone (Ergo don't become a small business) then you avoid the government overreach to destroy you. Though I am sure they will come for you eventually.

[@spikeshartell4675]

@@als3022 meh I didn't do anything so grand as to start my own business. I work as an independent contractor for a rideshare company. That being said what I do now for a living is far more rewarding than any job I've ever worked.

[@tatsuostatic8567]

I wish I could become self employed but sadly I can't. With no support, nobody I can trust and I can't comprehend a lot of things I don't have a shot in anything

[@Rebrn-bk5em]

It’s important to remember you are self employed Dev not everyone can just work more and make more or get promoted.

[@Meloncholiac]

It's important to remember, KZbin pays him. KZbin is his boss. He's not self employed.

[@doggydude2668]

but KZbin doesn't tell him what to do lol. he tells him what to do. he has rules to follow but the point stands​@@Meloncholiac

[@Meloncholiac]

@@doggydude2668 You replied a year late, just to say nothing of value. You literally contradicted yourself in 3 sentences. "KZbin doesn't tell him what to do, except when he gets demonetized!" KZbin as a "job" is much more volatile than any 9-5 job. You can work more and make less. You can lose your channel at any moment with almost no recourse. There is no original point other than saying he's "self employed" (he's not) and insinuating he can just DO more to MAKE more. Which isn't really the case. It IS the case for a 9-5 though. Overtime exists.

[@D.Ark-0]

I work a blue collar job and I can confirm. Quiet Quitting actually helps. I’d always put 110% into my work. I earned respect but by employers always pushed harder until I said no more and relaxed a bit. I still put in 110% but only when it’s necessary

[@momentomori1747]

Same in a white collar job. Working one 21 hour day in a career is enough for me, thanks.

[@D.Ark-0]

@@momentomori1747 completely understandable. Once is enough . For your own sanity you need to relax.

[@jimmythecrow]

never put 110% unless youre getting 110% of pay. Remember, your 2% pay raise means nothing to 8% inflation

[@D.Ark-0]

@@jimmythecrow I do get raises. In fact my employers rank me above most of my coworkers. The money is good. The issue is when they believe I can keep it consistent without question. I’m only human with a life outside of work and their beginning to understand that. I get 110% pay for 90% work 🤣

[@blizzardregulus]

Most jobs nowadays reward hard work with more work, never more pay.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

The thing about "work-to-rule" is that it can be used against you by a boss. One job I worked at really needed me to concentrate, which is something I do better with music. So instead of taking the suggested pair of optional ten minute breaks in a day, I'd spread that time throughout the day in order to take very small breaks to build or adjust a playlist. It probably amounted to ten minutes or less. My boss knew this, and still ended up complaining whenever he saw me doing this, and when I explained it again, he suddenly decided his problem was that I was supposed to be taking these two useless breaks where I sit there doing nothing for ten minutes two times a day. The justification was always that the breaks are for the sake of the employees, so I asked if I could move my whole hour lunch to the end of the day and go home at the end of my required eight hours of work, and suddenly it was, "I need you here for the full day." So this whole unpaid hour I have to sit through at work (because, seriously, who takes an hour to eat a sandwich?) isn't really there for me, then. As it turned out, it was there for the boss to drag us to lunch individually and interrogate us, or drag us all on "team building exercises" like throwing a frisbee (that is not a joke). My time, his benefit, how enriching.

[@mrshmuga9]

For shift work like retail, I understand not moving lunches. You're depending on someone taking over your place so you always have X amount of people working at all times. But for most jobs, it makes no sense. I was there the _whole day,_ why is it only in the _last hour_ you need me, but couldn't be bothered to contact me the _other 7 hours_ of the day? Who exactly isn't using their time efficiently, huh?

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

@@mrshmuga9 Nah, not shift work, or I'd totally understand. The guy was just a self-absorbed little tyrant. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt until I started noticing how he singled out women in various "positive" and negative ways, using one girl in particular as an emotional punching bag. Looking back, he may have been one of the most dishonest people I've ever met, and I've met a lot of duplicitous people in my attempts to understand modern partisan politics.

[@polaris911]

this is just common sense.. don't work yourself to death unless it's really worth it. Next time you're working, observe the behavior of someone who's worked there a LONG time. Chances are they won't go above and beyond.. it's not because they're lazy, it's because they've learned it's not worth it.

[@blizzardregulus]

The problem with "extra work is opportunity for advancement," is that it is heavily stacked in favor of the employer. For starters, even if you are an excellent employee, there are only so many positions for an advancing employee, so just by numbers it's a game where executing the win conditions doesn't necessarily mean you win; in fact, many people leapfrog these win conditions by naked nepotism. I tried the "work hard, get promotion" route. I worked for a company for 7 years in various entry jobs. I became known as "the guy who gets shit done," by all my associates. This was all unprompted praise, mind you. I decided to apply for a management position. I got passed over for the job for a guy who had been fired from the company before for providing a false ID (98% sure this was because he was an illegal worker). I found this out because he got fired AGAIN from that management position because of providing false ID. Someone from the other location he used to work recognized him by another name and it spiraled from there. So I applied for the position again with 8 years experience. They hire an outsider who hadn't worked with the company at all. I had to show him how to do his job because he didn't know where anything was and most of the time he just had me do his bitch work. Eventually he got shuffled to a similar management position and they gave the position to a third guy who was at least qualified for the job. He had half my work experience, but he was qualified. That was at 9 years work experience. If I live to 90, that was a tenth of my life in work to this company that would pass me over for a literal bum off the street. I was recognized by all of colleagues for hard work, I was knowledgeable, and before I left I had a decade of experience in the company. How many tenths of my life am I supposed to spend in entry level positions before I get a crack at MIDDLE MANAGEMENT? Extra work being consideration for promotion is right up there with unpaid internships and paying artists with "exposure." It's a con job where the people who promote each other all act as shills to get the serf class to break their backs for rewards they'll never give them.

[@mrshmuga9]

Assuming you start working a "real" job at 20 and retire at 65, that's only (x4) decade long chances... to crack the _average_ wage/salary. Not even anything exceptional. And that's assuming you don't lose your job because of company-wide lay-offs or the business goes bankrupt or something else either outside of your control or stupid. There's only 2 reasons to do extra work: 1) You have a connection with people that _could_ get you that promotion, but need to prove you're willing to do the work first. 2) You'll learn a skill that either _you_ want or that you can use as leverage for a better job. Anything else is a waste of time because there's no actual benefit.

[@luckyo11]

This is actually something most people don't realize. You can become TOO good at your job. That's the point where promoting you makes it hard to replace you, and your promotion would literally be a net negative for the company. This is why the best way to get a raise if you're genuinely good at your job is to get the same job at the competitor. That is how you get meaningful raises. But that requires a job that requires significant expertise (not something someone who's a new hire from outside can do adequately) and a field with significant demand. For example, high tier specialists working for large engineering companies tend to get significant raises (usually around 50%) by simply going to the competitor every five years or so, and then going back to their original company in another five.

[@SwiftSwrd]

I was hearing "paid in exposure" with this, too.

[@existinginaspace8347]

@@luckyo11 sometimes there aren't competitors and if your not willing to pack up and move... Usually throwing away all your friends, guns and cars in the process then you end up taking the L. The big fish in a small pond, has no way to reach a lake because the pond has no rivers. Otherwise it would already be a lake.

[@gobgonson8053]

@@mrshmuga9 I worked my ass off at an entry-level salaried job where I had zero connections and got a promotion (with a double-digit % raise) less than a year after being hired. Some of it is due to being in the right place at the right time (my boss decided to hire internally after my predecessor failed to meet expectations), but the opportunity definitely wouldn't have been mine if I hadn't spent those 9 months working beyond the bare minimum. Since getting promoted I've kept up the same work habits and effort that got me promoted, and I fully expect that I'm going to be rewarded for it. And if I don't? Well, I'm also building up a list of accomplishments that will look impressive both on my resume and at the interview table, so if my current employer doesn't give me what I want (further career development and higher salaries) in the long run, some other employer will. (Granted, that bit might fall under #2.) It's an anecdote of course, but I'm also just some guy, not a Harvard whiz kid or something, so I find it hard to believe that I just lucked out into some incredibly rare situation. I think it's much more likely that there are a lot of employers (and, more importantly, people with the authority to make hiring decisions) that absolutely will reward hard work and dedication, and it's just that you're a lot less likely to hear about it since people tend to complain loudly and celebrate quietly. That being said, I'm not denying that shitty employers who don't reward hard work exist, though, because of course they do. It's just that they're probably at least comparably matched, if not outnumbered, by those that will. I guess, too, that whether "the hustle" appeals to you varies from person to person, so I don't look down on anyone if that isn't their thing -- but personally I find it invigorating and fulfilling even outside of its material benefits (which surprised me at first, because I long assumed I wouldn't feel that way.)

[@missybees1104]

The thing about asking employees to go above and beyond is that there has to be that follow up raise and praise. I’m salary, and I just realized that I had been giving my work an extra hour for years because I didn’t think my lunch was included. It was never brought up in review. It was never acknowledged or maybe even noticed by my leaders. YEARS. And I never got anything for it. You can call it quiet quitting. But I’m not going to give them that extra time anymore.

[@fredo3161]

You're still getting the job done at the end of the day

[@DavidWalker1987]

" YEARS. And I never got anything for it. " Raise this. Ask/demand the compensation for it or a raise. The thing that quiet quiting seems to ignore is that you are not taking control of the situation. Your are quietly muttering fuck off and doing less work. Taking control of the situation would be saying I did XYZ when others didnt, and I got paid the same, pay me more or else (even if the "or else" isnt a threat to leave the company). If you dont raise the issue, then all the exta work you did will truly have been for nothing.

[@DavidWalker1987]

Also I dont know what the laws are w/e you are. But unpaid work etc should get sorted in an employment tribunal (or w/e you have)... and merely the thought of it going that way is usually enough for a large business to take the issue seriously.

[@La0bouchere]

@@DavidWalker1987 Salaried positions don't have defined work hours so there isn't any unpaid work.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@DavidWalker1987 Doesn't work too well when most MBA programs that train these guys tell them to do the exact same thing. ‘Marshall your capital, shareholder value reins supreme, everything else is a cost to be cut’

[@grayfiresoul]

Setting boundaries between work life, social life, and managing the psychological stress that comes with both isn't new or unique. This sounds like young people re-discovering the wheel. Work to what your contract outlines, look to make sure you get paid what you're worth (market need/desire and availability notwithstanding), and respect yourself enough to seek out what you like to do. If all of these positives fall into place for you, then it'll be a career well-lived. Pressures exist everywhere to be 'excellent' and that's not always easy, practical, or do-able, and that's fine. But don't settle for the absolute bare-minimum amount of effort, either. Stay hirable and keepable, both at once.

[@hengineer]

The problem is management often treats salaried as hourly minus having to pay overtime.

[@pampalazz]

I honestly don’t think many of these “quiet quitters” were ever working more than their job / contract required 🤔

[@robertbeisert3315]

Most employees never actually contribute in any meaningful way (in office jobs, at least). Most bosses can't tell who the contributors are. Most businesses survive in this state. The dangerous thing for businesses is when the contributors cut back to the level of their non-contributing peers.

[@lammbokid0505]

@@robertbeisert3315 that's having good management is important. I did a traveling IT job and I knew which assignments to really bust ass on because I knew some managers/supervisors would reward me for the extra hard work and some wouldn't. You don't like your management go above them or find a new job. Simple as

[@ExPwner]

I did. When I started, I worked like hell. Then management came out and told us that everyone would be getting the standard 3% raise unless you got the top review rating which was all but impossible unless you put in many extra hours just like the Asian dude’s video clip shown in this one. I lost all motivation to put in extra time and effort, so I cut back to “don’t get fired” mode and did next to nothing for the months before my early retirement.

[@ExPwner]

@@robertbeisert3315 THIS! So much this. I had a coworker that routinely slacked off from the very start and even when I outright told my supervisor about this it did not sink in until I slacked off myself (and more so when I left). They don’t know and they don’t care to know so long as the total workload is completed. In their minds, give the guy who got everything done efficiently more stuff to do and don’t worry about anyone pretending to be busy because they are just getting stuff done at their own pace. Entirely ass backwards.

[@dragoneye6229]

Why should they? I hate to break your perception of reality but everyone has talents and skills they can use to become their own brand. Some people haven't held a job in over 30 years yet make more money then everyone in any salary position. Why should I for example do more than I signed up to do? That makes no sense. Especially when the extra time and effort can be invested in myself directly and then I can promote myself to owner where I get 100% of the profits. Can your company match my offer? Can your company make me the owner and give me 100% of the profits? But keep telling yourself that mercenaries totally do more than paid to do. Which by the way is how the American economy is SUPPOSED TO WORK. We are mercenaries and you need to outbid your competitors. This is why job hoppers make more than loyalists.

[@nicklars4099]

I saw a respond to "quiet quitting" that brought up the concept of "quiet firing". This is when an employer pass over an employee for promotion and raises for years despite of the employee going above and beyond. The fact is that hard work does not always pay off. Can't remember where I saw it though.

[@10pjesus]

After 8 years of “corporate good boy work” I’m done - trying to figure out how to make money on my own now.

[@dragoneye6229]

As you should be. Do not let corporate media lies tell you otherwise.

[@threethrushes]

Ha - that was me several years ago! I emigrated to central Europe where I work as a self-employed teacher. No psychopathic bosses anymore!

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

I recently had to quit a job because my manager was expecting increasingly more and more of me to such a degree that it was unreasonable. I basically was “quiet quitting” without realizing what it was. I have been in exploitative positions before and I’m just frankly done with it. I’m always happy to help and even go above and beyond what is asked of me, but that has to be on my terms. When i get hired for a job A, I don’t mind taking on extra responsibility B as long as it’s something I want. But when the expectation is that I will not only take on responsibility B but also C and D and if I don’t do that I’m failing at my job (which, on paper, is only A) that’s when I have a problem. Eventually “quit quitting” wasn’t working out and I had to actually quit. It’s really unfortunate because on paper it was my dream job and all the people I worked with were really nice.

[@WhiskeyPatriot]

My friend had that happen, he was in Quality control for RapT checking automotive parts. He loved the job, but let them expand his responsibilities without proper compensation.

[@CoryTheRaven]

I had a job once where simply by other people leaving I had gone up the ladder of seniority. Then came the performance review where I was criticized for not stepping up. I replied that I was never GIVEN any new, clearly outlined responsibilities or commensurate pay. So I did get a raise and a new title and list of what I was supposed to be doing. Great. Until he sold the company to a bigger company and they laid me off BECAUSE I had seniority and was one of the highest paid employees.

[@connerstines1578]

Thing is, I could never quiet quit myself. I've been at the receiving end of lazy assholes do the barest minimum out of personal convenience, while I gave 190% because in the end they knew that due to my work ethic, anything they chose not to do out of laziness by default became my problem exclusively because I would do everything they didn't do otherwise it wouldn't be done and I would have to answer to that. All that does is teach you that having a good work ethic will net you nothing but bullshit and problems, and I don't want to participate it perpetuating that mentality.

[@ShinFahima]

It's so hard for me to pull it off, too, for the same reason.

[@robertbeisert3315]

Always weigh with fair scales. Do the amount of work you're paid for; not the amount asked, nor the amount you "want", but a fair amount for the pay.

[@WildZephyr]

The thing is, there's a huge difference between being a lazy asshole and working off the clock. I will give good effort when I'm getting paid. When I'm not getting paid? Kiss a duck. But you're right that being a lazy asshat is definitely part of this "quiet quitting".

[@gurmyigoll3535]

Why don't you tell them the leeches don't do their share? Why are they demanding an answer out of you anyway?

[@bluelad370]

Just don't do it then or ask for more money to do it.

[@Ultravenom1]

Working above and beyond is gambling. Sure, you may get promoted, or (more likely) you'll be deemed indispensable/exploitable in your current position so they'll never let you leave unless you jump onto another ladder hoping to climb up this one without stall. Jumping up a rung while going sideways is actually common, as your boss isn't that much better than you.

[@glens2019]

I'd prefer building skill while working. At least in a field like programming, being damn good at your job leaves you more time to slack off now that work is done.

[@robertbeisert3315]

And if you let them know you're done, they'll demand that max output for longer and longer bursts. There's a fine line between being a Dilbert and being a Wally.

[@kielbasamage]

Pretty much, for some reason a lot of managerial types see someone finish early and think they can just pile on even more work on his plate with little to no extra compensation and get surprised when the employee quits or suddenly stops putting in the extra effort.

[@KuroKumo361]

@@kielbasamage well that’s how it works You either go home early and miss out on a full days pay or you work until your shift ends doing the extra work you obviously can do. I do the same exact thing, I work hard to finish my work early so I can have leisure time on company dime but if I’m caught I’m not going to act like I deserve to get payed for doing nothing, I’ll do the extra work if they need me to but fortunately at my job the managers don’t breath down my neck and since they’re cool they know I’ll help them out and they leave me alone. I get 2 hours free time usually so I’m not complaining when some days I have to bust ass the whole 8 hours when things get hectic

[@TheFunctioningInsomniac]

I wonder if the feeling of being passed over for a promotion relates to what my Dad told me about his time working for a government job. He said that if you were really good at your job, then they would try anything and everything in order to keep you in your current position due to reliability. If you weren’t very good at your job or just generally annoying to deal with, they would try to get you promoted to a different job (instead of outright firing you, that process is much more difficult) so that you wouldn’t be their problem anymore.

[@PinballBob1]

This is known as the "Peter Principle". Every worker rises to the level of their incompetency.

[@dark91911]

I call it failing upwards

[@aedwynn6474]

Ah yes, I've heard that referred to as 'Being promoted out of harm's way."

[@harleymitchelly5542]

@@PinballBob1 No, Peter Principle is you being promoted to your incompetency because you do the job one below you on the totem pole well enough for a promotion upwards and this eventually leads to a point where the job you're promoted to do has little if anything to do with why you got promoted. The master plumber who handles calls well gets promoted to manager where instead of tightening pipes, he's stamping forms, a completely different job than the one he was doing and where his prior performance is fairly irrelevant. OP's talking about the Dilbert Principle, whereby the most incompetent workers get consistently promoted to the point where they can do the least amount of damage to the company/person handing out the promotion, precisely because firing them is too difficult.

[@Snakedude4life]

The farmers: “We’re going to quiet quit.” Every commie Regime: *Racks 7.62* “How unfortunate.” 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@lammbokid0505]

Until they find enough votes to ban AR-15s then things will quickly get nasty.

[@DotDusk]

These fields will have a different kind of fertilizer this season, comrade.

[@roseknightmare]

It's not uncommon to burn out and finally decide to work according to the contract. It's part of pareto economics where 20% of workers do 80% of the work. This 20% changes over time. Very normal, every generation deals with this same idea.

[@rwberger6]

Its also why a lot of companies offer breaks and paid leave for vacations. They cut back on burnout.

[@jimmythecrow]

@@rwberger6 a fifteen minute break once every 3 hours. The break starts before you leave the plant, so you actually get 10 minutes. You get a choice, eat or go to the bathroom. Not both. You think the 23 hours a year of unpaid vacation is good? Lmfao

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@jimmythecrow Have you considered getting a job that's not entry-level?

[@jimmythecrow]

@@stevenschnepp576 nice assumtions.

[@MyGuy42069]

Dev is the supreme authority on exposing the irony of socialist not understanding capitalism.

[@markzuckergecko621]

Socialists don't understand anything, not even socialism.

[@khimeraQ]

Another reason you might do quiet quitting is from the side hustle. If you have a good creative side job and a main job that allows for extra hours of life when you're on the clock, then the extra revenue from having your own side business is worth it. I may not be promoted like my colleagues who put everything into their job is, but my side revenue is already worth 2 to 3 promotions ahead of where I already am.

[@shamelessdab2.088]

Quiet quitters aren't necessarily losers if they use that extra time find something THAT ACTUALLY FULFILLS YOU

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

My man, I am about as libcap as it gets, and I gotta say, this is not an issue to be "enlightened centrist" over. The corporate world is getting worse and worse as time goes on. For the working class, there is a complete disconnect between upper management and the working staff, which leads to horrible mismanagement at all avenues. Upper demands that their "absolutely perfect charts and spreadsheets" be met, which just means that they will forcibly hire one or two LESS employees than they should, and then demand 110% out of every worker they have, every single day, forever. Their work model does not account for bad days, or bad months. And of course, they do not raise pay for this either. Things are absolutely trash in the white collar salary world, too. People's required hours are going up and up and up, and their pay is not. Yet the company is happy to pay for "wOrKpLaCe PeRkS". They do their best to strongarm you into never using your PTO, to never use your vacation, and to never work from home, even if your actual job allows it and benefits from it. And a lot of *those* white collars commute is 2 HOURS. It is currently better to job-hop to a better job than it is to be loyal to your current company. Corpos have forgotten why it's important to foster employee loyalty, and then furthermore are doing things to destroy employee loyalty. It's not even greed, it's pure undiluted hubris, that they think they can manage their employees like they could any other asset. This is what the corporate world looks like right now, and I didn't even do that good of a job explaining just how fucking terrible it feels to DO this stuff. Either it will change, or it will crumble and be replaced by companies that treat their employees better. One of the good things about the 2020s is that it taught people just how little money you need if you have to *get by,* and people are starting to prefer getting by over getting paid, because mental health is important. Your charts and spreadsheets don't account for my health? I'm gone. Goodbye. That's how it is now. People always talk about a socialist revolution, but this is actually the start of a capitalist revolution, against corporatism, and we're all here for it. Because corporatism is too soul draining to continue.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

Oh fuck, i completely forgot to mention tgat actually giving your employees the training they need to do their goddamn jobs is now taboo in the corporate overworld. That certainly does NOT feel good as an employee either.

[@mrshmuga9]

I think it all went downhill once pensions were dropped from most jobs. Granted, pensions aren't really realistic long-term. If the company folds, the work you put in for your pension is worthless, and they have to make X money every year just to pay off retired workers, let alone everything else. But from that point it seems like companies realized they could (and did) get away with less and less. People doing the bare minimum isn't new, but with so many things piling up recently, it's hit a breaking point. My brother-in-law says "it's an employee's world, there's jobs everywhere because they're understaffed". Yeah, and they're understaffed because those jobs suck, previous workers are sick of being ground up by them, and those companies haven't increased the value of working for them despite supposedly needing workers. Companies will complain they're desperate for workers, then complain people don't want to work for no added benefit, as if they're entitled to workers.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

@@mrshmuga9 Honestly reminds me of the single over-40s that claim they're entitled to men dating them and raising their kids lmao. Same vibe. Let em fail, I say. Private businesses and self-employed will crawl out of the ashes.

[@SkorjOlafsen]

It's not getting worse over time in any long-term sense, as it's much better off than, say, 1900. For blue-collar there was always a disconnect, but at least there are legally required breaks and safety standards, minimal as those might seem. For white-collar work it's certainly been getting worse for the last 40 years or so, largely because there used to be an expectation on the company that they wouldn't fire you on a whim for an extra dollar in a manager's bonus, wouldn't plan to burn out employees and just replace them, etc.. I think US white-collar work culture was at it's best following WWII, and has been in steady decline since that generation started leaving the work force.

[@SkorjOlafsen]

On training, lack of training for blue-collar jobs seems to be mostly an American problem. Our school systems strongly resist what's the norm in many countries of starting industrial training at 16 or so, and moving directly into a manufacturing job out of high school, because saying anyone can't go to college is "racist" (this is gradually starting to improve, but it's too early to say it's a trend). US companies have over a million skilled manufacturing jobs sitting empty, really hurting businesses, and they _still_ can't bring themselves to train workers "because they'll just quite for a better job". Yeah, not treating workers like shit just doesn't register. White-collar training has usually been your own problem to solve, however, that's nothing new.

[@MaxAngor]

I always called it "giving them the respect they give me" or "half-assing." And here I sit disallowed from working because of my lungs and peoples' propensity for perfume. Asinine.

[@halcyon6098]

😂😂😂 you need to vent

[@LastExpellian]

I've gotten to the habit of routinely quarter-assing

[@MaxAngor]

@@halcyon6098 Dude, I've said for decades I'd unalive a lazy able-body to work. Luckily I've found something that works well enough. Accessibility reviews, descriptive let's plays for the blind and streaming. None of it earns me money but it scratches that workaholic itch.

[@KuroKumo361]

You’re supposed to give 100% Half-assing would be giving 50% not the minimum 100% at least that’s what I always understood half-Assing meant

[@MaxAngor]

@@KuroKumo361 I give 100% in everything I do because fuck able-bodies, I'll show them. But since I'm not allowed to work... If I were in a position where a supervisor disrespected me, I would do the bare minimum of what was expected of me while actively searching for a new job. I'm a bit too... "prison mentality" for this urbane world. If I am disrespected, I lash out violently.

[@Hiddenronin]

Im contracted with a yearly salary to work 09:00 - 17:30, Monday to Friday. If they want me to work outside my contract they pay me more. This doesn't mean I do the bare minimum, I take pride in my work and do the best I can, but only on the time they pay me for. I work from home and it's great.

[@firebreathingcow]

I've gotten into a bunch of arguments with people because I was being PAID IN FULL to TRAIN FOR MY JOB and they were like "you shouldn't spend time after work to STUDY WHAT THEY WERE PAYING ME TO LEARN" smh.

[@kavky]

I don't vouch for this but at least in the EU unpaid training is either illegal or extremely uncommon that I have never encountered it when I was job seeking years ago.

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@kavky It's illegal in the US, too.

[@kavky]

@@stevenschnepp576 But I have only seen Americans working in unpaid internships.

[@arbiculum6239]

Research the early Apple "90 hours / week and loving it" T-shirts printed for employees. Most employers are reasonable now, but you still get a manager that thinks he can get 2.5 salaried people out of each person by slowly ratcheting up the "expected hours" and threats. In the tech space, this started to become the norm for salaried employees around the early 90's when I entered the professional working world. It wasn't "do extra to get promoted", it was "hang in there with the increasing hours or get laid off". My worst experience was working 2.5 days without sleep (no you couldn't sleep under your desk, that's what you do at home on your own time). This was because it was "expected of us" during crunch time and this was no tiny startup. Had to get a ride home because I couldn't find my car due to the mental fog from tiredness. And yes, before you ask, this was in the good 'ole US of A with large 90's tech companies.

[@Shatteredstarful]

It basically is the norm for tech or IT people in general. I know many in the field that are consistently 50+ hours of just normal work because they are salaried and have to jump on if something comes up. Not just management but even the people under the managers. Salaried positions are a joke.

[@threethrushes]

At my last job in a large pharmaceutical company, a colleague retired. I was expected to take on his portfolio. Idiotically, I agreed. A year later and my life unraveled completely. HR used the second job to beat me on the head as it was physically impossible for me to go 'above and beyond' for two positions. That was in 2015. Seven years on and I run two businesses: specialist publishing, and teaching.

[@Augustborne]

“Quiet quitting” has been around for a long time. When you punish good workers who go above and beyond with more work and you don’t give them increased pay then it incentivizes good workers to do the bare minimum.

[@dragonturtle2703]

You don’t always get the promotions though. Sometimes you can work your rear off, but the guy who the boss is sleeping with, or owns a favor, or just is having their rear kissed, gets it instead, and you don’t even get a bonus. Often doing better just gets you a higher quota or expectations later. And as soon as you are slightly less profitable, you are replaced like a worn out machine part. Usually the only business that actually will give you a fair shake is a small business, and even then corruption can occur.

[@Tb0n3]

That's certainly the loudest contingent of this movement. I think Dev just doesn't understand how many dead end jobs there are. Most management positions seem to hire outside the current workers so there's no moving up. At least not without a college degree.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

Yeah, it depends on your job and/or boss. My tactic has been to regularly apply for jobs with rival organisations. Asking for that pay rise is much more impactful when you mention that not increasing your pay will result in your talent moving to rivalorg, who will be paying you more than you're currently getting. It's also good to be liked by your coworkers so your boss feels like you leaving would effect group morale, like if you're the one who buys donuts and remembers everyone's birthdays. Obviously this works better at a skilled job and not in fast food.

[@silvermknight]

I worked for a hotel for 15 years while going to school and stayed there after graduation because the job market was garbage. I watched every manner of unqualified person get promoted above me for any number of unscrupulous reasons.

[@bruhdabones]

@@Tb0n3 Amazon has a policy of doing this at their warehouses! Bezos believes anyone who will take a job moving boxes alongside robots is too dumb to deserve a promotion

[@robertbeisert3315]

@@Tb0n3 Today, every job is a dead end job. The HR zeitgeist can be summarized as "our employees suck, but outside talent is amazing." Promotions are rarer every year and never move a good "production" worker into a higher tier. It's why everyone job hops these days, not just the whiny babies or the unaware old farts.

[@goode.110]

Also, salaried workers don’t really have any of the benefits you listed. From my experience, the flexibility depends on managers. Almost All of mine have been huge clock watchers, 40 hours min, PTO if you need even 1 hour off.

[@audiosensorysystems]

Same, I had a salaried position with no flexibility, where I was expected to work 20+ hours of overtime for months, and never received any additional compensation. I was so busy with other stuff in my life (and trying to keep up with the workload) that I got taken advantage of, and that seems to be increasingly common. Promotions usually come from nepotism, not 'hard work.'

[@robertbeisert3315]

I had one that required 40 hours in office writing code. Lunch, meetings, trainings - none of them counted. And you had to compensate fornhours spent on PTO by end of year. So 2 weeks off meant 80 hours to make up. Beware the "resume building" jobs at the big firms. They're all traps of one kind or another.

[@Hynotama]

When you're paid for 8 hours and you're expected to work 9 if you want the promotion, that's kinda r-tarded. You don't actually get "paid" with the promotion, because 1. The promotion should go to whoever does the better job, not to the work mules that botch jobs and 2. That promotion may come with added pay, but also with added responsibilities, hence why it's a higher position to begin with. So you're paid more because you're given more responsibilities, meaning that the extra work you previously did will still go unpaid. It's essentially boot licking. Working for free to impress your boss, instead of doing the best job you can and having that promotion be based on the quality of your work and your qualifications.

[@robertbeisert3315]

The guy working 9 hours never gets promoted. The company needs go-getters like that in those exact positions. They usually either hire to fill open slots abive you, or they promote someone they can afford to lose in their current position.

[@Hynotama]

@@robertbeisert3315 I know. I was just talking about the point that the guy was making in the video, theoretical as it may be, arguing that promoting based on overtime is essentially prioritizing quantity over quality, rather than balancing the two. And in the end, it's still free work, because the pay bump comes with added and/or harsher responsibilities and its not pay for previous unpaid work.

[@La0bouchere]

This seems kinda naive. If you are selecting someone for a job with more responsibilities, the person that works more than other people is probably going to be able to do that better than others. You can call it bootlicking as much as you want, but people are generally going to promote the harder workers over others, and using that to your advantage certainly isn't bootlicking or working for free.

[@robertbeisert3315]

@@La0bouchere You're not thinking it through. Let's say you manage to get noticed for your work AND put onto the list of possible promotions. You produce, say, 100 units of work per week. Your coworker produces 60. If they promote you, they lose 40 more units than if they promote the coworker. Business math promotes the least valuable among the basically competent.

[@robertbeisert3315]

@@La0bouchere I will share with you the real secret to getting promoted via work: already be doing the work. If you wanna manage night shift, be the closer who organizes all the work. Eventually, they might give you a title to match. You wanna be a project manager? Noticeably manage the project, and be well liked AND demonstrably more productive doing it. Maybe they'll give you a title to match in a couple of review cycles. Wanna be president of the company? Be a VP who already covers all the President duties for a few years, then be still doing it for free when he retires. Note: none of these will usually come with raises.

[@Larry]

Quiet Quitting, Work-to-Rule, The entire plot of Office Space... :D

[@JodyBruchon]

Man I'm glad to be in the bell sub club. I've been loving your videos lately. This is something I've really wanted to hear you discuss.

[@KingUnKaged]

C'mon, Dev, you're Canadian, it's time to make a real estate video.

[@nostalgia_junkie]

what was it, 1.8 mil?

[@Cowslippoetry]

The biggest flaw with your assessment of workplace promotions is the assumption that meritocracy is in any way the norm. Not to say it doesn't exist; the West (presently) is the best place to find meritocratic systems in practice, but the flaw with such a system is it is an honor system. It only works if everyone 100% adheres to it. If not, it becomes badly hamstrung by bad actors abusing said honor system to advance their own nepotistic and cronyist ambitions. It's hard to be motivated when working in a broken system. Honest people would rather disengage from broken systems than become the sorts that made them disillusioned with it in the first place.

[@gobgonson8053]

I agree -- if your employer isn't willing to reward your hard work, then your time is better spent not working outside of your job description or looking for a new job. (Or both!) To that end I don't think "quiet quitting" is a bad phenomenon -- from a capitalist perspective, it adds a bit of pressure on employers to change their practices, and also presents an opportunity for competitors to scoop up some underappreciated talent. (Granted, this is also dependent on the present state of the economy -- the current economic downturn undoubtedly tips the scales in employers' favor, unfortunately.)

[@donaldw3231]

Gen Z discovers working half-assed. It's about as old as... work.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

At my work, someone was hired through favoritism, promoted fast (due to higher-ups) and caused one of the harder workers to take a mental health month, otherwise suffer cardiac arrest. I'll give this one to the Progs, we've all seen this. But the caveat is that those Tiktok Progs are the cogs in the machine, and not the entrepreneurs that makes capitalism work the way it does. As you say Dev 11:10. work hard for yourself. That's what the Left does not understand. Yes, work enough for your salary/pay but always look to self-improve and create your own value. First few seconds at 0:37, it's a free market. If you don't value me, don't be surprised when I start making moves to another gig/job.

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

My father always told me to always apply for jobs even if I didn't want a new one just to know what you are worth. You can negotiate a better wage or walk into a new job. Never be sentimental about your job and and aim to work for yourself eventually.

[@rodgersullivan3274]

You crushed it great job.

[@sytzekamphuis2939]

This sort of reminds me of the old addage "dress for the job you want, not the job you have". Sure, "act your wage" if you want, but I would say "act the wage you want, not the wage you are currently receive".

[@DeathMonkeys]

As someone who was a quiet quitter at my last production job (I eventually quit), I was not alone, our employer kept pushing our Production Employee Reviews/Raises back while constantly bragging about how production is far exceeding expectations and that business was booming. They announced a week long break for the sales crew because they just signed a huge deal then told us we were expected to come in over the weekend (not common) and said our reviews were pushed back again (for the 5th time). 3 people walked out right there and I put in my 2 weeks at lunch.

[@mawnkey]

I've done this before. It's nothing new. The key is to make yourself stand out, then when they fail to compensate you for it you drop to the minimum. Sometimes the boss throws a warning up the chain and money comes down encouraging you to keep it up, other times the warning comes back down to speed back up or fuck off. That's when you do the minimum and put your extra effort in to looking for somewhere that will value you more. Millennials are on the right track here, they just haven't entirely figured out the game.

[@gobgonson8053]

Well said. Another key component is looking for work elsewhere, and making sure your boss knows it.

[@bulldozer1011]

Some great recent vids Dev. Nice job!

[@thynErro]

The funny thing about quiet quitting is that most people don't even do the bare minimum.

[@QueenAleenaFan]

I'm all for sticking it to incompetent management, but when you are salaried you generally already work extra time. To give an example, general managers of stores almost always work before opening and after closing. This can be felt especially in restaurants where the dishwashers may be there a couple hours after closing and the managers are there to lock the door,

[@Norbert92]

Lets not pretend that hard work will always bring promotions and pay raises, i understand what you mean about building up your career but if this culture of quiet quitting has been popular for so long is not just because people dont want to dedicate their lives to their job but because of the ammount of people that did so and still got nothing for it. Im sure in a well managed company, within relatively small networks of workers, hard work and dedication is more often than not rewarded, but these environments by themselves would never gestate such cultural trends of "just do the bare minimum, its not worth the hassle". I dunno, i think its good that people start looking to their personal lives instead of obsessing over work, especially for working for some massive crop but i think we agree on that from what i saw in the video.

[@twerkingfish4029]

I’ve done this already at jobs where I don’t feel valued in the slightest and I’m just there to make some cash. Sometimes when I had the extra energy I would go above and beyond but I would only hold myself to the lowest acceptable standard on days where I didn’t feel like doing more. This whole antiwork thing has helped me to evaluate why I work, and while I don’t embrace antiwork, I think the mindset is correct, and we should all ask ourselves why we do the work we do and if it’s worth it. The funny thing is that me “quiet quitting” I’ve often got complimented simply because I actually would do the bare minimum like showing up when they expect me to, and a lot of young people these days (of which I am one) don’t even bother to do that.

[@exiled_aussie]

Hey dev thanks for the always awesome videos, hope you can do some on politics and the energy grid/situation

[@TheAurgelmir]

As a difference between "going above and beyond" VS "bare minimum" While unemployed I worked a part time gig at a warehouse. It was simple work, but the pay was decent. There was another guy there who more or less did these part time gigs full time, when he had earned a little he would quit and just do whatever. He kept saying "if they only paid me X amount per hour I would bother doing this full time" But the thing is, the attitude was really what kept him from getting what he wanted. The end of our contract came, and we both quit on the same day. (I did it due to some personal schedules which prevented me from working the next week). But, who did the company call the week after that? Me or the guy who had made it perfectly clear he didn't really want to be there? Irony is: While working we were about as productive, both putting in the effort, but he had indicated that he was "done" and I simply couldn't work for a week. He needed that job more than me really, but still it was me who had something to do every day until I started my new permanent job. I'm not complaining.

[@dragoneye6229]

He makes more than you now. Job hoppers always do. There is no incentive for loyalty in a mercenary market and that is what a free market is. The only mistake he's actually made here is not capitalizing on his free time to build himself up and start his own brand. Unless of course you are saying you have been promoted to owner and get 100% of the profits as your pay.

[@vaclavjebavy5118]

@@dragoneye6229 He didn't say he job hopped, he said he "did whatever" doesn't sound like a shitillionaire grindset tbh

[@TheAurgelmir]

@@dragoneye6229 Unless you are him, which of course might be the case, I doubt you have the correct knowledge to make that judgement. He wasn't a "job hopper" he had been working temp agency jobs for a few years already, and showed no real desire to try to apply himself to the point where he even got higher paying jobs within the field he tended to work. That was his whole complaint: No one offered him a high enough wage for him to settle down at any of the companies that offered him a job. Conclusion: he wasn't doing job hopping in order to inflate his wage, on the contrary.

[@juggernautheadcrush4161]

Hourly Position: + opportunity for overtime - no real flexibility with hours Salaried Position: + flexible with time off - no overtime Truck Driver: + regular sex - because you are screwed

[@thegeth4293]

Im working on getting a cdl now, whats wrong with being a truck driver?

[@juggernautheadcrush4161]

@@thegeth4293 No overtime, no flexible hours.

[@jedediahcoulbourne1791]

Funny you posted this video right as I'm putting the screws to my retail job. Told them I plan to put my 2 weeks in and that if I had a job opportunity ready that I'd give my uniform in mid shift, they asked me to give it a week and they're going to try making changes. They've got til this Sunday

[@Coffee_paradox]

The issue with “being paid by promotion” is that it’s not an actual and guaranteed reward. The boss can just tease about the promotion without actually doing so and thereby making their workforce more productive without spending a dime. And even if there is an actual promotion, there is only a few employees that can move up, even if the entire workforce are going above and beyond. Your labour MAY be rewarded.

[@GD0nly]

My company brought out a new ethos for all chargeable work recently and the most relatable one to me is "Make sure you charge for every hour worked." As such, I do what I'm paid for and no more. If they want more, they'll pay me for it. That means that if I need to work weekends or late nights, I speak to my manager about getting paid in advance, but if I am going to be paid, I'll do it, provided I can do it.

[@KuroKumo361]

Yeah I don’t understand why this is seen as a new concept, it’s almost as if these people never heard of the concept of overtime pay

[@Zegathra]

We are a nation of con-artists, and one of the oldest cons is to convince people to buy something they already have. Thus getting them to buy into your ideas when they already had the ability to access or do everything you say.

[@hunterdog228]

Love the upload schedule. Keep up the grind!

[@bmardiney]

Good employers absolutely notice when people go above and beyond. My wife has made a very nice career (well beyond 6 figures) on basically that idea. You make yourself indispensable and then you negotiate hard. When she’s asks for what she wants (we plan it out together), she’s always gotten what she wants (and often, even more). No one ever wants to risk losing her.

[@HDSpiele]

I want to contrast that with German work culture. In Germany we strongly disconnect work from our lives. Work is for working home is for living we do not work at home and do not live on the job. We are here to get a job done and than head home. This can be seen in 3 major ways the expension of flexible time schedules where ever possible. This is a system where you come in at any time you like as long as you put in your hours at the end of the week you are good. The second culture thing is Germans think doing overtime is something bad for both employee and employer it means the employee is bad at their job that they could not finish in time and now need to stay behind for a job everybody else could do in their working hours. Lastly Germans hate and find social meetings at work cringe and unnecessary like motivational meetings or team building exersisies or God forbid a company dinner something nobody would attend unless forced too. All of this lead to wallmarkt failing with many Germans sighting greeters as creapy and the work culture as cringe.

[@threethrushes]

I always say, "Der Cringe ist real."

[@dragonturtle2703]

For jobs where you are not physically working like a construction worker, fixing things, surgeons (if not doctors who see the patients in general), then I see no reason to physically go to work other than that open office thing (a panopticon to try and force you to work every second, and make sure you have social pressure from your colognes to give free overtime because when you go home is definitely a crabs in the bucket scenario).

[@Trahloc]

At which point there comes a massive incentive at the corporate level to automate those jobs. When the other person becomes indistinguishable from a chatbot... Then being replaced by one is inevitable.

[@dragonturtle2703]

@@Trahloc how is that any different in the office though? If anything, that has more expenses like an office.

[@Trahloc]

@@dragonturtle2703 24/7 worker that never takes breaks or time off or needs to leave early to pick up the kids and buying one or one hundred is basically the same price. So now instead of 30 x 45k-60k workers you pay for 2-3x 150k workers to maintain them. edit: although more likely you'd pay an external agency to do the maintenance for a lot less than that potential 450k and you're saving 1m in direct labor costs (and there are soooo many other costs for employees that non business folks are unaware of)

[@dragonturtle2703]

@@Trahloc oh, I thought you meant that remote work was accelerating automation some how.

[@Trahloc]

@@dragonturtle2703 You were correct. I actually am making the claim that remote workers are accelerating the automation uptake. A lot of people suck at remote work. If the only way I can get employees is to offer remote work though and many of them suck at it I now have an urgent economic incentive to figure out who sucks and invest in tools to increase the productivity of my effective employees. So for a short time while everyone is figuring out how to do that remote working looks great to employees. Once the automation tools start filling those niches you'll begin seeing a flood of white-collar effectively unskilled workers entering the unemployment pool. Their only hope is that more start ups will occur for a short while to take advantage of the lower cost to operate and perhaps they'll figure out how to learn to work remotely effectively to keep their job.

[@witnessfox3509]

Hahaha 70% of the workforce at my job has done "quite quitting". Glad to know there's a term for this.

[@whitestriderable]

As always a great interesting video. I had heard about this "quiet quitting", but I had no idea what they meant with it.

[@ShadowAimai]

The only thing I learned about going above and beyond in a company is that it is not rewarded, appreciated, and any recognition goes to the guy immediately above you. If you want better wages, the fastest method is to get a new job rather than wait for a raise.

[@wrongthinker843]

People who do the least meaningful work whine the loudest. In other news, today is a day that ends in "y".

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

I do the bare minimum at work, just enough to get fired, because for two years I busted my hump and they still screwed me on the raise I earned by denying every single employee merit raise in 2021. My attendance and performance was excellent and I still got screwed. If hard work and consistently going above and beyond isn't rewarded, why bother? Now I put in the bare minimum, I attend work just often enough to not get fired by gaming their point system, and wowee wouldn't you guess it I'm still making the same amount! Can't wait until I can quit.

[@TK0921]

I only heard the phrase "quiet quitting" today and I'm glad the first thing I see when opening youtube is this video. Not really much to say. This is basically the way I operated at the shittier jobs I had ever since I was in high school. "Hey can you stay for a while and help me with XYZ thing I didn't get done today?" "Should I add this time onto my timesheet?" "Well, no you already signed out didn't you? It's fine it'll be quick." "Bye, see you tomorrow." The thing about quiet quitting is that you *only* do the bare minimum, but you still *have to do* the bare minimum.

[@Dadum-bass]

Kinda doing this myself. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I'm antiwork, but exactly the opposite. But I'm only putting in 40 hours a week to my profession anymore. Covid showed me its not scalable and dependent on capital (hence I will never be an owner) So rather then working 60+ hours a week for someone else. I'm putting in 40 hours even at work and a dedicated 20+ hours a week into myself, developing my own skills.

[@LoliLikesPedobear]

Healthy attitude there!

[@RedDogDragon]

A "fun" example of this is when a co-worker refuses to help you with a simple task, say something that would literally take less then 5 minutes of their time nor physically demanding.

[@WildZephyr]

Bet that co-worker gets mad when you do the same to them.

[@NorthernObserver]

Quiet quitting can be a form of self preservation in an abusive environment but from what I can tell with most people it is a form of depression that comes from you not being up to the job or you not leaving a bad job when you know you should.

[@mortarion9787]

Wasn't paying 100% attention since i was doing chores while listening to this, but i don't think you mentioned about jobs where promotions are loyalty based, not performance based, that's a factor too towards doing bare minimum aka your job