One Ping Maybe - Submarine Gameplay

Warships: Become Subhuman
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#Remove #Submarines

[@Yurobeat]

*Once and never again.* I've split open the abusive potential of this class, so all of you can see it from the submarine perspective. This class *CANNOT* be balanced, period, simply due to how they work in fundamental levels, just like CV. Constant adjustments/balance is futile because at the end of the day people still do not want to deal with them. The ideal option is of course to remove them entirely. Unfortunately despite the hate, I cannot deny that submarines are liability to this game, *because of how different they are*. People have been hating CV since the game inception, but they're still here, hateful as ever (Especially the Super CVs). Why? Because people kept playing them. Its a vicious (Genius?) game design that also capitalizes historical/nostalgic factor of these two class as they were decades ago. Not to mention that WoWS is currently the only game that features them. No competition, no changes. I can go pages ranting about this, but since the game have reached this point, its either cope, or quit. Many picked the latter, but something tells me its not enough for WG to take notice. As for me? I can't do much of anything but share this stupidity.

[@Quonzer]

I've long-since given up on WoWS

[@tidehunterzamora9315]

WG has a Unique Motto " If you dont Adapt then you can leave the game" Pretty much asking the whole playerbase to quit the game.

[@wanaraja]

I Quit once, then I played it again, maybe quit again Just play if I am bored, quit if I am bored

[@yaki_ebiko]

Fundamental problems in a few words: It's like CVs, you can't balance a creature from another dimension. WOWS IS a game on 2D plane, adding height in any direction simply breaks it.

[@jackbright745]

Subs are so fucking unbalanced. This video exposes the horrors of the most cracked class in my opinion.

[@mehbird153]

The worst part is when the ship twice your size and weight rams you, killing himself, and failing to sink you. I am without words.

[@Tuning3434]

I suspect ram flag, and a DD that obviously doesn't catch ram flag. With Yuro's aggressive style, it makes sense he would carry ram flag

[@naturstoned2422]

​@@Tuning3434 this excactly what happens here, i talked with some players who played subs since the first iteration and almost all said they carry ram flag for the sole reason to "be the last torpedo"

[@Myomer104]

@@Tuning3434 Actually, the flag wasn't needed in that particular scenario. Base ram damage dealt is precisely equal to your maximum HP. That DD had an HP pool of 16k and change. Yuro's sub had about 18k.

[@unnoticed4571]

@@Myomer104 Don't forget speed is also accounted for when Ramming. Not by much mind you, but it is accounted for.

[@TheEventHorizon909]

Ramming is actually a pretty effective anti sub tactic (HMS Olympic the sister ship of the Titanic actually sank U-103 lol)

[@24YOA]

According to WG the """silent majority""" wanted this. That silent majority is really good at staying silent in game chat and in every poll I've ever seen about WoWS.

[@Yurobeat]

Silent majority running silent like a submerged sub :)))

[@timur22993]

I can't help but make political analogies right now. Did you know, btw, that you can't spell "political analogies" without "anal".

[@LittleFleet.Funker]

The silent majority be like: Rig for silent running or in german: Schleichfahrt

[@Trainboy1EJR]

Sounds like they are challenging sub players to ruin the game for everyone else to the point that *EVERYONE* complains! Who is willing to accept WG’s challenge? XD

[@haydentravis3348]

Code for one of the developers/owners has a favored playstyle.

[@tsunami729]

My only problem with submarines…is the fact that you are at full speed, cavitating like there’s no tomorrow, and aren’t being detected by anyone with hydrophones

[@YaBoiNicho]

Ping should also lead to higher detectability, you're basically telling them where you are

[@wahtx7717]

And ur going a billion knots

[@platiuscyndar9017]

Pings should give the ship that hit you a line of bearing where it came from, similar to how RPF works.

[@brianhoyt2469]

You don’t understand how cavitation occurs apparently because simply bring at full speed does not in fact equate to greater cavitation in it self. Also it’s a f’ing video game not a simulator and people need to get over the whining. They’re jot going to remove them and honestly they’ve nerfed them to where they’re not that much fun (CVs) compared to the past when play style was more hands free click to attack. The fact that WoWP failed hard and they invested so much into that hot mess is where most of this current single squadron mechanic came from. It’s actually extremely dated and akin to games like Battle Stations Pacific on Xbox 360. There’s never going to be this holy grail of balance people are crying for, it doesn’t exist in any game so why people demand it is mostly because their failing struggle to adapt to a mechanic outside their play style they’ve locked themselves into. If there’s one valid gripe in the game that needs addressed it’s the aim/hit mechanic when locked onto a target especially at range. Shells still tend to disperse and land more where the 2D algorithm says the target will be despite you aiming and firing at a spot other than where the auto lock has predicted because as the player you know with some measure of predictability that enemy ship is about to start turning in/out/speed up/slow down given other factors in game you’re accounting for.

[@Robert53area]

​@@YaBoiNicho it does it points a giant white target on you the second you ping

[@mejartiongaming6758]

Can't wait for the I-400 combine the most "loved" things into one submarine cv package.

[@HybridHenderson]

oh dear... OH YES.

[@StarkRaven59]

Shhh, they might hear you!

[@anonymousstout4759]

Can't get more salty than that

[@MrGelzo81]

A spotter plane dropping a homing depth charge which either explodes on target or releases a homing torpedo

[@thz6853]

Now add arp of blue steel camo on it

[@MrTrool323]

In the hands of an average potato...subs are "underpowered" because the potato will either deal little to no dmg,or will simply die In the hands of a good player,subs are busted I remember playing 1 singular game in the German t8 sub.Never played them before and i easily shut down any pushing from a flank,and dealt 150k dmg putting a big dent in everything i came across and 90 k spotting for the other people Counterplay? none

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

In the hands of the average potato these things are already quite OP. Only a

[@igoryst3049]

to be fair "in the hands of an average potato" thing is true for literally everything in game

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

@@igoryst3049 I consider myself an average potato. My WR bears this out. I don't play subs 'cause I think they're toxic, but I tried them out on PTS, and they're disgustingly easy to do well in. They make me look like a superunicum when I'm anything but. Did a few games on the live server and felt only disguest. They don't belong in this game. Just wait for the time when more people get adept at playing them. They will just be the pinnacle of frustration, even more than CV's are.

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

@@AllAhabNoMoby On PTS you played against bots. If you go to Co-op you'll look like a super unicum too. If you go to subs now, you can suffer sometimes.

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe LOL. No, on PTS you play against other players just as on Live, there's just fewer of them.

[@Harmonmj13]

“Remove submarines?” Yuro, you of all people should know that Weegee is never going to do that.

[@Yurobeat]

I know, I'm just echoing what people have been saying, driving the point home that they won't listen ;)

[@caldarinavyfleet]

But the SILENT MAJORITY hasn't spoken their LOVE for submarines! /s

[@Captain_Flippers]

It’s a feature of the game that they put time and money in. To remove it all together would be wasteful in their eyes

[@Alvaro89Rus]

why you never demanded return of old CV? Now shut up and suffer

[@azravalencia4577]

Its almost impossible. They put much effort on this and we know WG dont like single penny left their wallet.

[@nekomakhea9440]

bruh, a ww2 sub that does 26 knots submerged, can engage other subs while submerged, and has homing torpedoes? It's like putting a modern nuke sub against ww2 ships, what is even happening with this game?

[@3men219]

And i honestly think they would be infinitely more fun if the were more "realistic", like if they were incredibly slow underwater and harder to detect, and of course, remove the homing torps, that shit doesn't even require skill. Reward good players and punish bad players, this game has gone to shit honestly.

[@Yurobeat]

@@3men219 There is nothing realistic in this game. Ship and world scale is skewed so DD are easier to hit and kilometers of water can be traversed, accuracy in general are magnitudes better than irl, radar and sonar went through island, island plays a big part in tactical gameplay, ship has concealment, and lets not forget the HP system. It is pointless to make Sub more realistic because the game was never built to be one. Not enough nerfs will make people happy about it. Its either embrace them, or remove them.

[@3men219]

@@Yurobeat hey Yuro, i a completely aware of all the points you made, i know the game is not nor does it try to be realistic, what i meant to say is that i would enjoy them way more if the subs played with a more "realistic" setting of slow (~

[@Yurobeat]

No offense but your suggestion doesn't make sense. 10 knots underwater means the sub will lack mobility to be an ambusher because every other ship will outrun it. Slower speed underwater has to be balanced by longer submerged duration, and the speed current sub has underwater was more of an escape tool (lots of captain skill buffs the speed/underwater capacity when the sub is underwater and in a pinch) rather than ambushing. They already give sufficient power fantasy by allowing them to nuke ship from point blank range as my video has shown. Which is stupid unrealistic but so were lots of things in this game. Stop parroting realism because it will never be a thing. Maybe try them out when you have the chance, going underwater isn't always the easy way out.

[@zionistpigs5855]

@@Yurobeat While i am a supporter for subs... I must say you are spot on. People cry realism on a fucking Arcade Game only when suits them. Either you want realism for everything or non of it has it. Plain and simple.

[@connoissuer_of_class]

In the navy there are two types of ships Submarines… …and targets.

[@bhutchisonbh]

A submarine is a boat......

[@ivangenov6782]

@@bhutchisonbh submersible boat

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

@@ivangenov6782 Undersea boat*

[@britishneko3906]

and frigates

[@sovietheart3883]

Ah yes, the silent majority demanded Submarines to be implemented into random battles

[@leemarcus6123]

the majority that hasn't exist in wows YET! they got more money than us anyways

[@raphi6817]

I used the torpedoes to destroy the torpedoes...."what did it cost you?" .... everything.

[@Alvaro89Rus]

why not?

[@Arisudev]

A sub shouldn't be able to launch homing torps when they're moving. They must be stationary for several seconds before and after launch, only able to alter the depth level. WG can give them the second torpedo option without homing, just regular torps. I think it can be more balanced.

[@orbemsolis]

*submerged majority

[@Freedmoon44]

Remember at least its not the Surcouf, it would get the french treatment of WoW by becoming as fast as Kleber, with reload booster likely because it doesnt fire torpedo but shells at ya. And Submarine treatment so harder to kill than a cockroach

[@okularnik125]

Surcouf also had a spotting plane for itself

[@okularnik125]

Dont even mention I-400 class

[@danieldeak9141]

Yo. I hate subs. But if surcouf was in game as like a tier 6 or 8 premium sub, i would buy. I love the concept of subs with battleship guns

[@geoff-lukebihler6157]

British m1 class 12"gun for fun

[@pawahara]

This video illustrates why the game is the most accurate depiction of WW2 naval warfare, ever.

[@Yurobeat]

Cruel, bloody, inhumane, waste of resource, and the only solution to the whole conflict is nukes? Spot on.

[@hanselsihotang]

@@Yurobeat CV and Subs were so busted as a class that they rendered almost all classes larger than destroyers obsolete. Absolutely historically accurate, thx WG.

[@gabriels5105]

@@hanselsihotang close but no. Battleships and crusiers are still needed for shore invasion and defending landing craft and your own Cvs. With planes its more so that only American ships could defend against them which is why they were busted irl. Everyone else could not defend and planes run out irl once shot down so American ships actually worked. Modren rockets dont pen as much so they should mission kill poorly wired ships more than actually sink them. Subs really are just as dangerous in real life but in ww2 the US had something like 50 escort carriers everywhere for that and finding the plans showed them where they were. A CVs planes also can defend their own stuff so everyone planes may be more busy with that. With CVs unless it was a big American flat top with correct ordinance procedure and a repair force backing that was great enough to turn a month long fix into a few days it would become a one shot fire cracker that would spend most of its time being repaired instead of usefull. So if it was historicaly accurate it would be called World of American Warships and Their Targets.

[@Arisudev]

@@gabriels5105 well, where are the battleships now?

[@wks4d028]

@@Yurobeat Don't give WG any idea, or we will see ballistic missile submarine that can nuke very soon

[@papatango2362]

0:36 Ah yes. That is not in fact USS Salmon firing MK14s, rather USS Seawolf SSN21 firing multiple wire guided MK48 ADCAPs on a target detected by her towed array passive sonar. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WARGAMING, THIS ISN’T COLD WATERS!!! TORPEDOS SHOULDN’T BE TURNING AT ALL AND SUBMARINES SHOULDN’T REALLY BE DETECTING AND HUNTING ENEMY SUBMARINES. Also folks go play cold waters, it’s an amazing game!

[@Schnittertm1]

Actually, most torpedoes on WWII could turn, but it usually was on an angle that was entered mechanically into the torpedoes before launch and fixed. Those systems, however, weren't foolproof, as is evidenced by a several US subs, for example, having to deal with their own torpedoes that circled back to them, due to defects in the system. Towards the end, though, at least Germany had some acoustic homing torpedoes. They still were far from modern acoustic/wire guided torpedoes, though and, again, they could represent a danger for the launch submarine. German subs firing acoustic homing torpdoes were ordered to dive to 60m right after firing them, to prevent the torps picking up the sub and homing in on it.

[@papatango2362]

@@Schnittertm1 I said that because the pings well after launch cause turns that WWII torps couldn’t do. Thanks for your insight.

[@Arisudev]

@@Schnittertm1 if you want to apply that to wows, a sub shouldn't be able to launch homing torps when they're moving. They must be stationary for several seconds before and after launch, only able to alter the depth level. WG can give them the second torpedo option without homing, just regular torps. I think it can be more balanced.

[@sneeki8082]

@@Arisudev good idea actually.

[@papatango2362]

@@sneeki8082 maybe…

[@matthewyang7893]

Counterplay doesn't exist for this class, at least AA deals some damage and you can avoid their drops. "just dodge" floating guided danger pylons with a tighter turning radius than a tier 1

[@GintaPPE1000]

Which makes them perfect for the average window-licking retard. Despite what people claim, they love unbalanced, zero-counterplay shit because it gives them a power trip and compensates for the average player’s lack of skill.

[@sprolyborn2554]

idk man Im still of the mindset that CVs are still far more overpowered than the subs can ever be. you can only avoid a CV drop IF the CV captain cannot aim. so its less you dodging it and more him missing. AA really only kills planes after they've dealt their damage so in the grand scheme of things, AA is meaningless in terms of your survival. I think the greatest aspect that puts a CV over a sub is that the sub cant have a presence on both flanks and mid. after all, a sub is still a ship so it can only go as fast as a ship. planes on the other hand can zip across the map and do whatever needs to be done wherever it needs doing whenever it needs doing. even if i cant kill a sub, much like i cant kill a CV, I can at least leave where the sub is. I cant leave planes.

[@matthewyang7893]

@@sprolyborn2554 At least you can try to dodge stuff...can't dodge guided torps

[@sprolyborn2554]

@@matthewyang7893 you can. though again, its more the CV missing than you dodging. i guess you can say that its slightly more likely the CV will mess up a drop as opposed to a sub missing guided torps but i still put more weight on the CVs ability to influence both flanks in terms of winning battles than a sub having guided torps.

[@l7986]

@@sprolyborn2554 I'd rather cv's because at least you can see the planes coming for you and you have a chance, however slim it may be, to dodge their attacks. If you come across a good sub player you won't notice they are even around until you are just about to eat a full salvo of torpedo's.

[@5505daniel]

everyone: "hurr submarines op, cant balance durr" meanwhile in SH3: "ok you want to go fast underwater? lol ok thats cute, dont mind every destroyer alerted to your presence, oh and you have 5 min of batery charge left, good luck!" "oh and btw... here, have some free torpedo duds lmao"

[@mzx722]

When SH3 sends 7 sunderlands after you for no reason.

[@l7986]

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!

[@theycallme4799]

SH4. Tho..

[@trainfan-ks5hk]

SH3?

[@l7986]

@@trainfan-ks5hk Silent Hunter 3. Best WW2 sub sim ever made.

[@octane781]

6:58 Das Boot reference, well played Yuro especially cause that's my morning alarm tone 🤣

[@cameronnewton7053]

Plus it's a Hogan's Heroes reference as well

[@debilus7921]

These Discord pings triggered so much, I was looking at my DIscord each time xD

[@LJKGray]

I love submarine Secondary build, probably the best build ever imo

[@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821]

Somewhere in the distance the CV players are glad to have someone else get hated on

[@bigdata2783]

sub stonks just went up 69% after this video was released.

[@bigjtexas2309]

I used to play CVs a lot when the game first came out, then a few months ago I got a code that let me get the Texas. I remembered the days when if I challenged a Texas AA that I would loose a flight. So I thought, yeah! I’ll play the AA swatting BB to help out teammates! Then I experienced it. The feeling of “Why isn’t my AA doing shit?” Planes were still all over me, it felt like I was barely doing more damage than other ships. Then when my Texas would get destroyed I’d load up in a cruiser or DD. And same thing happened, but worse now. Planes were chunking bits of my health no problem, and were suddenly adding fires or flooding while I was fighting another ship. Then I played as a CV, and it suuuuucked. Fighters are a freaking meme, I can’t have multiple flights up, I don’t have an reason to save a flight cause they RE-FREAKING-SPAWN. Add in what subs do and it honestly killed any enjoyment I had playing.:(

[@allyionsol3274]

Back when I played the game I was a CV player also. I really enjoyed the fast paced competitive RTS style gameplay. Carriers were undeniably incredibly powerful in skilled hands and would sometimes just be a Win condition. But when you had two players who knew what they were doing the battles were just so much fun. It felt like a whole other layer to the game. Then they removed half the carriers in the game and turned it from a heavily skill expressive fast paced RTS into a joke of an arcade game where you have nearly 0 interaction with anything. I could play a carrier from a mobile game... I was excited for what submarines could be capable of adding to the game. I had looked at some other examples like steel ocean and thought "hey that's actually pretty cool" I don't even really have words for how poorly they gave handled thier game state. The only comparison I can draw is how Robocraft ruined thier game...

[@wtpiv6041]

The Texas got hit hard due to the commander rework. It used to have a longer range but that all went away. It’s still solid AA but the range prevents it from firing long enough to be useful.

[@bigjtexas2309]

@@wtpiv6041 I KNEW IT DIDNT FEEL LIKE THE LONG ARM OF THE LAW, THE SON BICHES AT WEGE SCREWED THE SHIP!

[@doctorsmell]

Complete BS. Now you still have to be extremely careful about loosing planes. Yes, they spawn but it won't help if you regularly fly into flack or patrol fighters.

[@johnthecrazedsskull81]

The best way to balance them is to either have a "no sub mode" or to add more environmental hazards like mines and nets so that way it's more of a risk/reward class.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

each team lays out minefields and anti-sub nets, chosen either at random, or via vote.

[@johnthecrazedsskull81]

@@MrJinglejanglejingle I feel like it would work better if they randomly spawn and despawn as it would keep sub-players on their toes and force them to be focussed on their surroundings.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

@@johnthecrazedsskull81 I mean, having cavitation and sonar also alert people to their presence would be a fucking start, too. I mean, a Destroyer within a certain distance of one should be able to light it up for everybody else, no matter what.

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

I love Arpeggio of Blue Steel but I would really dislike it if they add Iona's super graviton gun if she was released as a premium submarine. Imagine using it and basically eradicating the whole enemy fleet

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

@@ravensshade Imagine if they buffed ARP Yamato and make her able to combine with ARP I-401 and use the full potential of an ARP ship. It's basically dimension warping and OP as h e c c

[@Kontralas]

Me a ARP Yamato owner like this

[@mzx722]

Battleship players when the sea splits into two.

[@rolfrolfes7594]

My favorite moment: 5:44 full health Mahan rams sub ...and dies

[@stevemc01]

I got a die-hard medal ramming a destroyer with a Balao lol. Perfectly exemplifies this game’s realism.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Only a matter of time before we saw this. Oh and “once and never again huh”? We’ll see about that.

[@Shododaan]

Close Quarters Expert in a sub!!! OMG best laugh I've had in weeks thanks man =)

[@ostellan]

Oh how cute WOWS trying to imitate the classic NavyField

[@jannegrey593]

I was just watching your old videos and new one pops up! Hooray!

[@Choukai_Chan]

Can we all agree that the thumbnail is godtier? It just fits perfectly. (Even tho Subs are a disgrace to humanity.)

[@SilentGamin102]

I was just grinding the IJN BB line in blitz and saw this.. Man I hope they never add these in there.

[@1019bulldog]

Give it time, the sad thing about cancer is that it rarely ever just stays where it is. It often times just spreads till it infects the whole body.

[@jeremielarin1979]

If those a unbalanced wait t’ill they sell Surcouf with a heavy cruiser turret and some French Bias.

[@richarddyson4380]

As an Aussie, I truly loved the G’day M8! Seriously Yuro, you have the best edited WoW videos out there…. They are just so much fun!

[@AgungNurhadiMukti]

DD captain:ah neptune's beard! Im strugling to hunt down a single carrier Sub captain:what carrier?

[@dodle1769]

I like that at the end of the video there's always a short advise/summary of a ship always really useful. In this case it just says REMOVE SUBMARINES. That just goes to show how little advise you can give when it comes to this class.

[@wilhelmhetrick8948]

Watching fire starting ships cry because they cant just hide in smoke screens and behind islands and bully BBs is now my favorite part of the game.

[@tylerr5285]

It's like Fish Kill from TF2, coming from the Salmon

[@zetsuboublogger]

Couple years ago, they let Yuro doing Torpedo beats now Yuro giving them Torpedo beats

[@thetrujelo]

When your tin can pressure hull doesn't automatically implode at 30m down after a 400kg explosive warhead explodes directly against you.

[@rainmain]

Lovely video, very entertaining. Thank you Yuro for being the one memer we all needed.

[@AP-1138]

Steel Ocean was a Chinese knockoff of WoWs, but it was honestly fairly good. They also had submarines, but they were well implemented. You went slow underwater, you had to surface every so often to charge, and if destroyers spotted you, the depth charges usually killed you. But managing to torp capital ships was a lot of fun, though. Shame the servers closed down a couple of years ago, as it was good fun. I do miss it

[@dasji2]

Honestly. Yeah. I had more fun with the subs in that game then what ever bullshit im playing in this. That game you had to be smart and be patient waiting for your target to get juuuuuuuust in your torpedos crosshairs before sinking the bastered....here its just....why

[@AP-1138]

@@dasji2 Haven’t played the WoW subs myself, but if they’re anything like Yuro’s vid, then damn they’re powerful! But I agree in that you definitely had to be much more patient in Steel Ocean. And plan your attacks out more. Caution was necessary for survival. I really do miss that game. Maybe one day it’ll come back, but I’m not holding my breath

[@JuiceTaGoose]

Still more Balanced than Super CVs

[@VRichardsn]

Thank you for spreading the word.

[@TallulahSoie]

Korone's beeping

[@bayonetonazero2535]

Tbf I don’t think guided torpedoes were invented during this time, as seen in many different documentaries and movies during the 20th century. I know what y’all might be thinking, “it’s just a game bro” but two of the tags are LITERALLY “Realistic” and “Simulation”, so if you have anything that can counter that, feel free to try counter that.

[@AshCatTrainz]

They actually were evented by the Germans during WW2. But like most things in this game they failed irl

[@Tearnofear]

Just so you wait, they will add Super-Subs. A Torpedospitting Kearsarge able to dive. Followed by a flying Carrier with Bombs, able to drop lil Torpedoboats...

[@calanon534]

Hey, that kinda sounds like Warship Gunner..!

[@aristosachaion_]

When these abominations first dropped, I already had the impression that the German subs would be a lot stronger than the US ones, and wouldn't you know it, months later, U-2501 is the only sub I see in tier 10.

[@BPKPhoenix]

One thing I can say about Yuro is that you get really dope tracks with free video montages :)

[@michylogos4612]

Me waiting all days for a yuro video

[@theonlytnargmatt]

Free serotonin to anyone that wants it: bully CVs and when they screech about how there's no counterplay for subs say "just dodge bro it's easy".

[@AsheramK]

I just want to comment on the Excellent editing work. I frankly prefer the "one ping edition" of B.I.N.G.O than the original.

[@DaylightFan4449]

may i say the song in this is perfect for how sinister submarines are

[@MrMurphyum]

Yuro ... metalhead guy here. Your videos makes me enjoy this muzek. Keep up the good work! ;)

[@williamcote4208]

Alright… who immediately went to their oven the moment they heard the song… or waited until their mom wasn’t home to do it. Also, I’m not surprised that the German U-boats are so good since U-boats were pretty much the Kriegmarine strength back in WW2… and we kinda also have to thank them for the tech of early post war Submarine, the ones that get stay underwater for days and don’t have to surface to travel long distances with their type-XXI

[@1337flite]

Funny you should mentiong ovens in. a comment lamenting how under appreciated WWII Germany is. After all, they did develop some very efficient ovens as well as world leading subs.

[@williamcote4208]

@@1337flite yup

[@guztiime2784]

Finally my life has a reason to be lived AGAIN. A new yuro Video !

[@connormclernon26]

Perhaps the balance wouldn’t be so bad if they modeled the underwater speed after the real thing, where they could only travel around 6 knots underwater. That way, subs would be more limited in what they could do

[@flippingchips7343]

Look at all those people having so much fun being tactically outplayed.

[@nunobarros3629]

0:08 - Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah....THAT's the way i like it !!!!

[@handlesarecringe957]

God, I remember the first submarine event after the Halloween one. I pulled 3 krakens in a row, and I was a pretty below average player in anything that wasn't CVs or BBs. How WG thought they were a good idea is beyond me.

[@ravandraananditotriyanto3015]

I guess WarGaming wanted to give us PTSD of what our grandfather faced during WW1 and WW2

[@Mastermyth08]

2:20 everyone checked discord

[@ludendorf4]

:) true

[@danh7411]

relatable

[@Sunnyfishos]

Is anyone else loving the vid and vibing with the sick music

[@VioletAmery311]

solution: add a submarine pve mode for missions or fighting AI, do the same with CVs and remove them both from pvp settings. but wg doesnt want a solution, they want money

[@alphamaccao5224]

I can second that.

[@Yurobeat]

Well WG is a company, not a charity, or an indie dev that obeys whatever people said at them. There are always people playing CV & Subs and not enough people quitting. They gonna add more premiums and nothing you can do to stop it. Why? Because it has no competition. If anything, right now its just playerbase problem. They do not care how you feel.

[@wtpiv6041]

I mean I’ve said this for a long time that they should put subs in a convoy mode only. BUT they also committed massive amounts of time and effort toward subs so they have to be included one way or the other. Unless said convey mode took off and was popular enough to justify the cost.

[@CrusaderSoul]

There is a game called armored warfare, regardless that it's about tanks, the dev actually let's you research most of the units while playing PVE COOP missions with actual objectives and voice acting and variety, WG giving 1 weekly COOP mission is just lazy, and with such low rewards and tier lock make it worst. And I bet WG makes much more money so there is no excuse to not do that type of content.

[@danielevidimari8068]

i did not just get a wows ad of submarines while watching this

[@jonabiberacher1219]

Wg logic: Submarines good Rockets bad

[@burt591]

7:50 Why didn't his torps do any damage?

[@alphacrimsonabyss8535]

They weren't armed cause they were deployed to close

[@madmonkey67]

I remember you saying in one of your previous videos that you would never get hit by submarine torpedos yet here we are. :)

[@scorpionarthur]

What most people don't get is that upon being pinged you got to go full evasive maneuvers. Still they can hit you but I think subs are designed to force you to demcon and disengage until they are dealt with. Not a really fun mechanic to be honest, still I like ASW catching unaware submarines by surprise is such a joy. :)

[@hestan723]

Ok so now we have eurobeat on a 3rd dimension kensei dorifto

[@flashtirade]

It's sad to see all these ships having to turn broadside to an approaching sub and eating shit for it, when historically ramming was one of the best ways of dealing with subs. Subs are so fragile that they would lose a ramming contest to tier 1 frigates and it wouldn't even be close, not even taking into account how much depth charges should be doing to them.

[@j.kearney484]

* War Thunder player checking in * Yikes, you guys have it bad too Also, homing torpedos with this level of maneuverability on a second world war submarine is ridiculous

[@zlpatriot11]

And they're more tanky than they should be. They can hide all day long and not risk their hp. Counterplay doesn't exist. Yeah, they are a a problem. How bad is it over there in WT?

[@j.kearney484]

@@zlpatriot11 Imagine if WoWS had the same amount of vehicles, but everything was crushed into four ranks. Over here, we have hyper-commpression, a low-effort attitude to development, and a terrible economy : /

[@kc9937]

Love your editing style man.

[@FLYlas]

Yuro posted today, rejoice comrades for today is a glorious day!!!

[@avale187]

@yurobeat - What is the beep beep anime girl sound you're using?

[@Squantanamo]

The worst thing is that DDs are almost powerless against subs. The ASW class of ship has the worst ASW capability outside of CVs.

[@MikeJones-qn1gz]

Subs are a rude surprise but more often people don’t use them right

[@cemborembo]

I actually believe they can be balanced. However, only by making them crazy hard to play and extremely tactical. They cannot be idiot proof. Remove the ping mechanic entirely. Make them super squishy again, so that dds shooting a salvo at 2km in the open break and cripple the thing super fast. The reload has to be very long (~3min) but then I think it's acceptable if the torps hit hard. Make them slow but not super slow, like 25-30kts above water and 15kts submerged. Good concealment is okay. If you want to do good in them you have to be constantly on the edge of death, you're either useless or taking risks. not gonna happen tho because spreadsheets will show them as the weakest performing class on average.

[@able_archer01]

Replace the ping mechanic with something like the "torpedo turning" from the upcoming RN BCs Greatly reduce the amount of time subs can be underwater but increase the recharge rate (bring back the O2/air mechanic from the halloween subs) Maybe nerf the torpedo dmg (about the same as the EU DDs) but buff the reload That's all I can think of, I'm just gonna sit back and watch the shitshow that is WeeGee's balans and never play it again

[@gabriels5105]

They should bring cv depth charges like irl. Lots of single use depth charge planes.

[@cemborembo]

@@able_archer01 i disagree with the 2 latter points. It would improve the situation but but still be impossible to really balance (proving Yuro's point in his comment). you would need a DRASTIC playstyle change. Torp spamming subs are idiot proof so you HAVE to give them long reload, forcing the player to carefully choose their target and take a good position, otherwise they would be useless for a long time. If a dd gets torped he is crushed, but it needs to be able to dodge. It has always been like that, no reason to change that. the air mechanic gives them the chance to escape too quickly, making it more foolproof. it's okay if theyre submerged for a long time if theyre useless during that time. when a sub is caught at the surface it needs to die, they shouldnt be able to escape.

[@1337flite]

If subs are to stay in the game, its not the subs that need balancing its the ASW capability on the surface ships that needs balancing. The subs have homing torpedos and good concealement. The surface ships need ASDIC/Sonar, hedhogs, ASW aitcraft with depth charges from carriers that can go anywhere on the map and spot subs at longer ranges. As it is now the game is really only modelling one side of the equation.

[@枫羽凛]

submarine deepwater CQC what a historical game

[@saltefan5925]

We need more footage of subs hunting CVs. In fact I propose this is the only thing we do when playing subs. Make WEEGEEE choose which precious child to protect.

[@foxykaruptsock3213]

When you learn that Yuro is an Aussie or a fan of aussies....gday mate from down under. ;)

[@rokko1020]

the windows sounds make this so much funner

[@thesmoker4027]

Imagine ramming a großer kürgfurst with a sub and killing it….

[@starflame34]

Anyone know where that "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE" sound is from when he fires torps?

[@pvs1681]

Lol the title…..red October pun…..you cheeky buns:)

[@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68]

"her dur soob op!" * Meanwhile, me playing sub against players * "Alright I'm almost in ra-" DETECTED "oh motherfu-" * The entire tonnage of depth charges dropped throughout the second world war lands on top of my head * You can push a single button and you have you'll have me on a silver platter, dodging depth charges takes near clairvoyance to pull off (you can't ascend to get away from them, that leaves horizontal maneuvering) dodging them requires space (something that not every map provides in the spades underwater) and pre-positioning relative to the path of the depth charges which changes depending upon what class of ship it is. So I have to know when the enemy is going to detect me, already starting with an impossibility, position myself relative to each class of ship in the group, which can be impossible with certain map layouts, then use split precision and clairvoyance to guide me through a shitstorm of depth charges. Tldr? Subs aren't OP, you suck at screening.

[@danieltan7344]

5:01 Salmon finishing what U-boat failed to do at the start of war

[@kovacsj7823]

Damn those sound effects, i thought my Windows is acting weird. Oh, and fuck suckmarines.

[@wolfhunter98]

Wait, you can ping before you fire torps? Thought you had to fire them before you pinged.

[@bravalloy]

This song: you are fuc*, fuc*... doomed.... you are fuc*, fuc*.... doomed....

[@CoffeeMug2828]

It's funny how a submarine can sink a CV in a game using 75mm naval gun but then again a CVL blind shotted a CA with it's 127mm secondary gun and the CA turned into a pile of scrap with a single hit.

[@nemurishivasai4765]

Ah! thanks for the bloopers at the end 💯

[@bladewolf7109]

Are they only avaible on the PC version?

[@nickTeeKaystrickland]

That music is the sound of my tumor growing...

[@melvinmoller8161]

That provincen moment was hilarious

[@hugostiglitz7373]

It takes a Yuro video for Wargaming to even bother to lift a finger in balancing anything in this game, so I see nothing wrong.

[@asiftalpur3758]

Why yes I'd want the same music for the whole 10 minute video

[@jessegd6306]

This remix feels very piratey, like shitpost piratey. Fitting.

[@ciaranartorias264]

yknow, thought about subs... given the impossibility of balancing them in the game, like aircraft carriers, maybe just... make them a spotting class. sonar pings that can reach out to 20km and spot anything they hit, instead of giving subs and only subs guided torpedoes that existed on non-sub ships in game but are only on subs because argh. also give them their puny deck guns as auxiliaries because it would at least be funny (that or do the sensible thing and put them in their own merchant ship hunting game mode because it's impossible to balance them normally. hell, that might make sense as a new game mode addition, where a small team protects a convoy against another team)

[@ciaranartorias264]

also comment - from limited time playing subs, the only satisfying thing about their gameplay for me is hunting other subs

[@vlixz4583]

the video title should be "how to become sub human"

[@arondight]

Greyhound Greyhound~ This is Greywolf~

[@LeCommieBoi]

Aight so I got a few ideas for sub balancing: 1.) DDs should have a new consumable that works the same way that radar works, but for subs. ( even got the name : “Active Sonar” or “Active Search” ) 2. Ping time should be around 10s. Max 15 for subs whose got a related gimmick. And multiple ping hits do not affect homing torps agility. That’s stupid, 3. A tube jam gimmick for foward facing torp tubes. Basically is a sub tries to launch while travelling over 20 kts, there is a chance that the tube jams and that it breaks (then its repaired after some time or throught Damage Control Party 4. An “ASW Patrol” consumable similar to patrol fighters for CVs. Is a sub is detected in the highlighted area, the planes (like 3-4, more if unique gimmick) drop 2 smaller depth charges each around the sub, then move out. 1:30 reload, 30-40 seconds in the air, vulnerable to patrol fighters/interceptors and AA.