ONE STICK METHOD: Real Time Demo and Setup

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Hunt Urban

Hunt Urban

3 жыл бұрын

There are MANY ways to climb a tree, this just happens to be our preferred method right now! If you haven't heard of the "one stick climbing method" - you use one climbing stick along with an aider to climb the tree, then rappel down from the tree with a long rope after the hunt. Check out this video for a real time demonstration and the gear used to get it done.
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@thecichlidkid1523
@thecichlidkid1523 2 жыл бұрын
@Hunt Urban - Great video man. Just a word of advice, for increased safety for both you and the viewers... When you're repelling down the tree, use the hand that is not operating the descend device, to grab the rope and hold it behind your back at the 5-6 o'clock position. This is the preferred method, as you can use that hand to pinch the rope to your thigh or hip and control the speed of your descent. It's what we refer to as a brake hand in the rescue industry. Otherwise, great video and an awesome set-up. Respectfully, Andrew Glass Firefighter/Paramedic
@4morrfun
@4morrfun 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with this assessment. As a rock climber, I would never repel the way you show. Hand down low for better control. The other thing to consider is to keep your hand away from your rappel device in general. You can easily get the skin of your hand caught in the device if you take a quick drop or if you aren't paying attention! Or if you are wearing gloves, they could get stuck. clearing that is difficult and not safe! Thanks for the vid though! Very informative.
@KeepinYouUp07
@KeepinYouUp07 Жыл бұрын
@@4morrfun I thought that looked sketchy. Thanks for the info
@cotytaylor4029
@cotytaylor4029 Жыл бұрын
Should also add a knot at the tail of the rope so as your coming down your brake hand will hit the knot and you'll know your at the end of the rope. Without it you run the risk of the end passing through your friction device and free falling the rest of the way. But that is only really necessary if you don't have enough rope.
@garygrimes2024
@garygrimes2024 9 ай бұрын
There is a lot wrong with this method. I wouldn't trust my life to just one attachment point.
@davidtetrick6664
@davidtetrick6664 2 жыл бұрын
Tip from a rock climber- figure eight wrapping your rope like that creates kinks as the rope twists, so throw it over your shoulders instead in slightly longer wraps and it will stay stronger when packaged up at the end of a hunt.
@lazydragonslayer
@lazydragonslayer Жыл бұрын
As a saddle hunter These are the tips I’m looking for. We need to learn from Rock climbers, arborists and linemen…. Thank you.
@joeroth9964
@joeroth9964 2 жыл бұрын
Best one stick method instruction video I’ve watched. Explained everything perfect.
@jasonsmith3726
@jasonsmith3726 6 ай бұрын
You are a beast bro. I couldn’t imagine hunting from a tree with just 1 stick and just hanging there for hours.
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demonstration. One limitation of this method of repelling and rope retrieval is that you're limiting yourself to only trees that don't have sizable branches between the floor and your target height. I've haven't pulled the trigger on a saddle system yet, but if I do, I'll use a lineman's climbing rope with a tether to climb and work around branches and just reverse the process for descending, because that makes 90% of the trees an option, rather than 10%. To me, the biggest advantage of saddle systems is being able to use just about any tree in the woods so you can ambush more effectively.
@Basicsareeverything
@Basicsareeverything 2 жыл бұрын
a second tether makes every tree an option
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 2 жыл бұрын
@@Basicsareeverything Can you link any video showing that on a 6" (or smaller) diameter tree?
@Basicsareeverything
@Basicsareeverything 2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottWConvid19 I don't know of a video of any climbing method specifically targeting small trees but doesnt mean they cant. This method can climb anything you can with strapping on sticks. I personally strap sticks on more often than not when I'm in a small tree but that's because I'm "dating a fat chick" in a swamp and want to use my beast stand. I use the saddle more in funnels and wooded food tree areas because deer are more likely to come from any angle. This method has pros and cons just as sticks and linemans do. (you still need two linemens when hitting brances to stay safe.) This big pro of one sticking is way less weight or bulk and can get infinitely high.
@ScottWConvid19
@ScottWConvid19 2 жыл бұрын
@@Basicsareeverything I'm just saying. Not every tree
@sethcoates3752
@sethcoates3752 3 жыл бұрын
This is great...thanks for doing this video Taylor. I was hoping you would make this one.
@StandingGoatsRescue
@StandingGoatsRescue 2 жыл бұрын
I would never hunt from that particular set up, nor would I even attempt to climb that way….but I really did enjoy watching this video, you did an amazing job explaining how you climb using this process. Great job on the info, thank you for taking the time to make this very informative video! God bless you brother!!
@runtimmytimer
@runtimmytimer 2 жыл бұрын
In the tree climbing world, one sticking is a lot like doing a spar removal. In addition to using a tether we also use a work positioning lanyard. Like you mention, the top of the stick is the most dangerous. It only takes a couple seconds to attach the work positioning lanyard. Final thing, we use a device called a quickie that's designed to be side loaded to attach the tether.
@lionatticus9743
@lionatticus9743 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never done this before, but I’ve watched a few videos, and this seems like the method I’d prefer. Thank you for sharing!
@brianbennett8445
@brianbennett8445 3 жыл бұрын
Nice demonstration. I've been experimenting with a similar set up. I stumbled on a comfortable way to put my feet while repelling that you may want to try out. When I repell down, I put one foot on either side of the tree. This helps stabilize my decent and I feel more in control this way. Thanks again.
@JDye-youtube
@JDye-youtube 2 жыл бұрын
Man that was one of the best one sticking videos I have ever watched. You made it look easy. I would offer that when you rappel your brake hand should be holding the rope down by your hip. You are much less likely to get a rope burn or to pinch your fingers. I did hear you say you normally wear gloves.
@arboraction1474
@arboraction1474 2 жыл бұрын
Check out the Notch Quickie for your “carabiner” girth hitch attachment. It’s designed for cross loading. Technically that screw lock oval you are using is also cross loaded. Because there is essentially no static force being applied in this application, using the cheap oval screw lock is probably fine but…take the extra step in safety when you’re getting off the ground. Cool video.
@envylures5770
@envylures5770 7 ай бұрын
I have been looking for this video for some time I feel. And I love it! Thank you for all the details and video quality this was just Walmart I needed to see for my future setup. 🙏 thank you !
@Danmaljada85
@Danmaljada85 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, by far the best demonstration I’ve ever watched on how to use equipment I’ve never used before. You said it was easy and you actually proved it. I’ve seen advertised “easy to use” videos and they weren’t shown as easy to use. Thanks man.
@bkbowhunter1
@bkbowhunter1 3 жыл бұрын
I attended the T-N-T in wva last Saturday and saw karl do a 1 sticks demo up to that point I said no way but I also said that about saddle hunting just did my second season I’ll never go back to a tree stand. Definitely interested in trying the 1 stick method great video 👍
@benmathew3999
@benmathew3999 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, started this up a few weeks ago and have been hoping to find someone else using the ONE to one-stick. The Dynaloc took a little time to figure out how to manipulate with one hand but after some trial and error it really is 2-3 seconds longer to release than a cam cleat. I found getting down to about shoulder to eye level with the Dynaloc as opposed to doing it from higher above made a huge difference.
@FreezingToad
@FreezingToad 2 жыл бұрын
I've been hearing about this whole "one stick method" since last season closed out. Now that I've seen a video explaining HOW it's done I think I'm going to convert my setup. I have single steps, which are a nightmare, and three Tethrd sticks, which is much more manageable, but at 5'8" I can only get so high, even with a step aider. Thanks fir the video!
@flounderwetspot8524
@flounderwetspot8524 2 жыл бұрын
I’m also 5’8 and with a one step aider I’m getting 17’ to the platform but once the leaves come off I’m going to have to figure something out to get at least 20
@thudson391978
@thudson391978 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the video. I am new to one sticking and have been struggling with my hunts on it. Setting the tether to the side will help me a lot. Thanks for the tips. I also discovered that climbing a really wide tree was a huge pain.
@OutsideinFlorida
@OutsideinFlorida Жыл бұрын
Great video. This is the best and simplest setup I have seen
@OutdoorsAllie
@OutdoorsAllie 3 жыл бұрын
Need to try this!
@HuntUrban
@HuntUrban 3 жыл бұрын
Do it!
@graphguy
@graphguy 6 ай бұрын
This was great! I have always been a ground hunter, but this really helps me make a transition.
@stevegermain1222
@stevegermain1222 2 жыл бұрын
Third time watching you make it look so easy and yes sir I'm going to be trying this
@markgrenier6787
@markgrenier6787 7 ай бұрын
great job w/ explaination, not too wordy, simpe and easy to follow. i"ll try it.
@bjbray9877
@bjbray9877 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I like the method. I see a few things I will do different but I will be doing it this way in general.
@jacobchandler3443
@jacobchandler3443 2 жыл бұрын
You guys with these saddles are another breed.
@renegade4568
@renegade4568 2 жыл бұрын
Very efficient! Good job.
@sameold77
@sameold77 3 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration. I want to try this just so I can rappel down, lol Thanks for sharing.
@HuntUrban
@HuntUrban 3 жыл бұрын
You should definitely try it! I was skeptical at first, but once giving it a solid shot, fell in love with it.
@rustbeltmachine
@rustbeltmachine 2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to rappel onto a deer.
@dennyerickson6578
@dennyerickson6578 2 жыл бұрын
Rock On Great Demo.. I am a Bigger Guy and used to Gaff instead of trust sticks but these newer methods seem so intuitive, I use the aiters anyway getting into my stand but this will take alot of time off set up and easier on my knees 😆
@user-jm8pq4jy5z
@user-jm8pq4jy5z 8 ай бұрын
Great video and interesting method. This comment section is pure gold mine with info from other industries🔥🔥
@dawsonharris5498
@dawsonharris5498 2 жыл бұрын
This is pretty smart. The only thing I'd suggest is have a tether for the stick while climbing in the event you fat finger it and drop it you don't have to rappel down and start over, you can simply pull the tether back up. I also know how annoying a tether can be, but damn if it hasn't prevented me from climbing down 100+ feet then back up more than once when I'm working.
@brand0nmiller21
@brand0nmiller21 Жыл бұрын
my thoughts exactly aside from that being one more thing to get tangled in the dark.
@cooperjohnstad7913
@cooperjohnstad7913 3 жыл бұрын
That is more than helpful! I am going to copy your system exactly, such a well put together and valuable video thank you so much ! I actually bike from my house to bow hunt whitetail does in a nearby national forest and up until now I have been hunting from the ground, something that is noth fun and totally frustrating, but this seaso I’m looking into a tree stand system that I can both bike and then hike with and I think this is the ticket!!! Thank you so much
@brandonreeder5628
@brandonreeder5628 2 жыл бұрын
How do you bike if you kill a deer?
@nelsonlangub3086
@nelsonlangub3086 2 жыл бұрын
Hunting from the ground refines your woodsmanship, I've harvested 1 buck saddle hunting and another buck and doe on the ground, stalking and just patiently waiting at the base of a large tree, knowing bedding feeding area locations and transitions. Scout and be patient. All these Hunting styles have their place.
@robertseibert3887
@robertseibert3887 2 жыл бұрын
Great video demonstrating this system and technique. Is there any retention or safety connection on the climbing stick system to keep it from falling when you are repositioning it, except for your own grip? If you were to accidentally let go would it fall to the ground?
@bricedudley4612
@bricedudley4612 9 ай бұрын
Wow great info
@blessedvetoutdoors
@blessedvetoutdoors 10 ай бұрын
Youve got me wanting to try one sticking with my skeletor. I have been wondering if it wouof be possible to do so with the dyna rope attachment. This is epic. Thank you for sharing.
@504daron
@504daron 2 жыл бұрын
Awesomeness!~ thank you sir!
@PelDaddy
@PelDaddy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the info from a fellow AMG brother.
@G2Outdoors
@G2Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet pouch - I sure hope Tethrd makes those available on July 1, 2021.
@charlessherman7335
@charlessherman7335 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@OutdoorsAllie
@OutdoorsAllie 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahah
@taylorkollman2725
@taylorkollman2725 3 жыл бұрын
🧐🧐🧐
@willis5willis
@willis5willis 3 жыл бұрын
Top savage comment of the day.
@justinliedtke5570
@justinliedtke5570 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I already have a roll pouch for 1 sticking , or I would have to use one of those.
@bamajeep22
@bamajeep22 3 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video on how you pack ur saddle and gear on ur hunting pack when headed to the woods to bow hunt
@georgianjuggernaut1308
@georgianjuggernaut1308 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video trying to find the safeguard is like trying to find gold right now, but I got it done. The use of the link vs a carabiner is great safety tip and nugget. Hope you are going to be at the Atlanta Teach and Train.
@HuntUrban
@HuntUrban 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely going to try and make it to Atlanta!
@briancarter210
@briancarter210 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@kentuckyearl8202
@kentuckyearl8202 2 жыл бұрын
Dude I was tired before you got to the tree. Good luck with your climbing 👍
@epheinz
@epheinz Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks
@clarkansas6590
@clarkansas6590 Жыл бұрын
Good job
@benjaminbullington214
@benjaminbullington214 3 жыл бұрын
Can you post links for all the equipment you used? Ropes, rappel brake thing, carabiner, etc... Mucho appreciated.
@codyschmidt8189
@codyschmidt8189 2 жыл бұрын
When rappelling hold your break hand lower, also if you hold pressure down on the rope your descent will be much smoother.
@TheWVgoodguy22
@TheWVgoodguy22 3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video demonstration of this particular ascension and descending method. I recently ordered a Tethrd ESS starter kit, plus won a Phantom saddle at a Tethrd Teach and Train event. I am still debating on which ascension method to use; 3 or 4 stick, One Stick, or the DRT rope climbing method that I have watched the NY Saddle Hunters promote. Plus I am not sure if I want to go with a platform like The Predator from Tethrd or Trophy Lines Mission platform, or a ring of steps like Bullman Outdoors or use both?
@just1redneck54
@just1redneck54 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Awesome
@mikeclement5383
@mikeclement5383 Жыл бұрын
I wish I lived a little further south. That method is great unless you're in a predominantly cold area. My heavy boots don't work well with aiders unfortunately. Excellent tutorial.
@jasonwiersema835
@jasonwiersema835 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. How many feet do you think you get with each move of the stick? Any back up tether for the stick in case you fumble it on the move, besides obviously rappelling down to grab it?
@huntfishexplore7636
@huntfishexplore7636 2 жыл бұрын
Looks great, very similar to what I am doing. Why made you pick the quick link over just a figure 8 knot?
@stevenwalker9013
@stevenwalker9013 Жыл бұрын
I need to look into the repel. I’m still doing it with the one stick coming down
@KeepinYouUp07
@KeepinYouUp07 Жыл бұрын
I gotta get this system asap! I'm not familiar with saddles at all or the mining equipment. I've been using climbers and hang ons.
@lonnielemaster7053
@lonnielemaster7053 Жыл бұрын
I love it where can this stuff be bought at
@joeherbert3590
@joeherbert3590 22 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@rogo1131
@rogo1131 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Where did you get your 3 step aider from please?
@stevenrfaison1
@stevenrfaison1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, could you please provide a link for the roll pouch you used I this video? I like that set up!
@HuntUrban
@HuntUrban 3 жыл бұрын
It’ll be available this summer from Tethrd!
@TheManic.5-OH
@TheManic.5-OH 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in!
@ryanr6656
@ryanr6656 3 жыл бұрын
are we supposed to use the safeguard once at hunting height or should we bust out a continuous loop and make a quick prusik?
@grantoldenburg5011
@grantoldenburg5011 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! It answered some questions I had with the 1 stick system. Now I’m wondering if it’s worth doing if I don’t have to carry sticks in very far. Interesting that this is your preferred method hunting urban. Is the time to set up and tear down similar?
@HuntUrban
@HuntUrban 3 жыл бұрын
It's the method I'm currently using for most of my hunts. There are times in which I still use climbing sticks... there are a few factors that go into that decision, some of which fall on just what you feel like that day. The one stick method is just as fast, if not faster once it's practiced and you become comfortable with the movements!
@shawnwelch20
@shawnwelch20 2 жыл бұрын
Setting up my new saddle next week, so are you using one rope to ascend and descend while hunting? Meaning that you’re not using a lineman’s rope to ascend correct?
@graysquirreltreeservice7299
@graysquirreltreeservice7299 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool
@donchasteen6290
@donchasteen6290 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video!! One quick safety tip, if you’ll move your tag line and right hand, when descending, to below your butt and use your leg for friction, you’ll have less of a chance of catching your fingers in your system! Nice work otherwise
@johnnyboi5661
@johnnyboi5661 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely an great setup if your hiking far. I wouldn’t carry 4 stick and a saddle if I’m out 2+ miles.
@claytongood1108
@claytongood1108 2 жыл бұрын
Do you feel safe without a linemans belt? Specifically when your climbing onto the stick and your teth is at your knees.
@snakeyez3056
@snakeyez3056 8 ай бұрын
how did you add your cam cleat to the one stick. I dont see any videos on the tube to do this. can you make a video on how to.
@phaxiong95
@phaxiong95 2 жыл бұрын
What knot do use for gong dwn to release from the top
@Killada3pt
@Killada3pt 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to pull the tether down if it is a tree with branches?
@gagegrush1508
@gagegrush1508 3 жыл бұрын
Any issues using the oplux with the safeguard? I know it’s not within specs, but if you used it all last season I’m curious how it worked for you. Did you use a back-up?
@supr78nova1
@supr78nova1 2 жыл бұрын
What carabiner are you using with the Madrock Safeguard?
@heikkitallinen8875
@heikkitallinen8875 2 жыл бұрын
What will happen, if you slip off from the ladder when climbing up and fall down when the lineman’s belt / bridge is loose? Imagine the situation, alone in the woods, hanging upside down in 5m height. With that harness, you can easily end up to quite nasty situation.
@jamesc6137
@jamesc6137 11 ай бұрын
How do you get the strap off that your tether and repel rope was attached to?
@lanecrowe2071
@lanecrowe2071 11 ай бұрын
Where can I find the long tether/rappel rope or do I have to make one?
@scottprescott308
@scottprescott308 2 жыл бұрын
Nice what items are need for this
@k9k936
@k9k936 Жыл бұрын
How does this setup work on Sycamore trees? Up past the flaky bark on the tight bark?
@DropShop27
@DropShop27 3 жыл бұрын
Any special knot to tie the rope to the petzel climbing link??
@SuperSlappy25
@SuperSlappy25 2 жыл бұрын
do you have a safety line for the stick in case you drop it?
@KTMsoldier1988
@KTMsoldier1988 8 ай бұрын
So how do you get your rope back down on a tree that has branches on the way up?
@ObamaOsucksOass
@ObamaOsucksOass 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get that aider at? Can't seem to find one with open tops and in 3 steps.
@tylerritchie6259
@tylerritchie6259 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't 8mm out of spec for the mad rock safeguard? Did the rope slip or did you have any issues using a 8mm rope on it?
@blakewilkerson9695
@blakewilkerson9695 Жыл бұрын
16:57 is when I realized… there was climbing sticks in the tree behind him lmao 😂
@rogo1131
@rogo1131 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your roll up pouch from please?
@toddbolton936
@toddbolton936 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video demonstrating how to do this with ease. Only 1 problem. In the real world where do you find trees with NO LIMBS for 20 feet??? Makes deciding and rope retrieval MUCH HARDER!!
@drwoody2006
@drwoody2006 2 жыл бұрын
Link for the roll pouch used to store rope?
@korykirkland8157
@korykirkland8157 2 жыл бұрын
I used a 5 step aider for most of this past season. Works well unless the tree has much lean to it and let me tell you, a lot of trees lean.
@davidrussell631
@davidrussell631 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, and that’s no small safety issue, especially if the bark is wet.
@burtonguy81
@burtonguy81 2 жыл бұрын
Man you are way understating how dangerous it is climbing above your tether especially with that much slack if you were to fall at that point it would be extremely dangerous its scary. Recommend using a lineman belt to climb up above your tether then moving your tether up. I like the one stick method other than that and will be using it in the future but with a lineman belt as well
@j.hunter5007
@j.hunter5007 Жыл бұрын
So, what happens if you drop your stick (at 15+ feet up) during the setup?
@justencate9113
@justencate9113 6 ай бұрын
you repel down
@jasonvaughn1841
@jasonvaughn1841 5 ай бұрын
Can you send a link or list of all your gear in this set up? I want the exact set yo plz
@arborwesttreeservice
@arborwesttreeservice 2 жыл бұрын
If I may add one little piece of my 2 cents. When rappelling, keep your rope feeding hand away from the rappel device. With this little device it’s not likely, however hands and fingers have been known to be sucked up in lowering devices. Have seen it happen within the tech rescue side of the fire dept.
@HuntUrban
@HuntUrban 2 жыл бұрын
Very good piece of advice... don't need to be losing fingers!
@nickarnold8417
@nickarnold8417 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you hang your bow? Do you have to screw in a hook?
@dervon4628
@dervon4628 9 ай бұрын
How do you handle trees with alot of limbs?
@darkobegic
@darkobegic 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I wish tethd would make a shopping list for each setup on their website.
@G2Outdoors
@G2Outdoors 3 жыл бұрын
Explain.
@sspice8934
@sspice8934 2 жыл бұрын
@@G2Outdoors I think he means an entire one stick and rappelling package with everything you need. A one stop shop
@darkobegic
@darkobegic 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. A package deal with everything you need for the one stick method on the website. Im a big fan of the setup and it would make life easier if I could just go to one place and get the whole package at once instead of trying to gather pieces from multiple sources. Sorry just being lazy.
@jamieyarbrough5229
@jamieyarbrough5229 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just starting saddle hunting. What 40’ was that repel rope an what size an where do I find it ? I am trying your same one stick set up. Thank you for any info
@teedyTeed-kh6wf
@teedyTeed-kh6wf Жыл бұрын
I second this comment
@checocovian1093
@checocovian1093 2 жыл бұрын
Did the Sterling rope come like that or did you have to set it up yourself?
@danielsmith8659
@danielsmith8659 2 жыл бұрын
How do you get the rope out of the tree if there is a limb . Do you just reverse your climb down until you can get the repel tether below the limb then repel. That seems like it would be an issue unless it’s a limbless tree
@jeffmccusker6364
@jeffmccusker6364 2 жыл бұрын
What happens if you drop the stick?
@KEEPxITx1HUNET
@KEEPxITx1HUNET 2 жыл бұрын
What do you do if you drop the stick???
@MidwestWoodsandWater
@MidwestWoodsandWater 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll ask… why is your stick foam filled? Is this to make it more quiet than the stealth strips alone?
@markmoore5833
@markmoore5833 2 жыл бұрын
Looking for links to sources of aiders - one and two steps.
@carsonyoung9965
@carsonyoung9965 2 жыл бұрын
This seems like a lot of work and what happens if you drop your stick?
@towarzyszbeagle6866
@towarzyszbeagle6866 Жыл бұрын
One point of concern. The madrock is like a grigri, it doesn't have any brake other than your hand on the un-tensioned end of the rope. As part of the safe usage of these devices you are meant to be in control of that part of the line at all times. If you were to say accidentally swipe down on the caming part of the madrock without that line under control you could find yourself falling. Like wise if the cam failed. I suggest either taking a bight and doing an overhand knot on it to act as a brake at that end of the device, or adding your choice of loop on a bight connected to the right line man's loop with a carabiner to tension that end of the line.
@DAMITBANDIT
@DAMITBANDIT 8 ай бұрын
This is false, the mad rock safeguard does have a brake and engages immediately under a load....unlike the grigri. You may be thinking more of the mad rock lifeguard....they are different.
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