We get HEATED ranting on comments about the worst Mythic+ Leaver of the season...

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

See the original video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6HViZl7mNWGpdE

[@kingsargonii6939]

Fantastic video. You and Harry have legitimate arguments for ongoing issues for M+ PUGS. Especially from both the tank and healer perspective. The roles that do all the "dirty work".

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@kingsargonii6939 ya it's really nice having some one i know playing healer the same way I'm playing a tank. Helps even out these discussions.

[@cobie_tv]

56:56 "'There are no shortcuts in life' - Yeah there is, he already double upgraded a 10" lmfao

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya no clue what this person is even talking about lol. There are a million shortcuts in life everywhere and in every pursuit you could imagine.

[@sirdiealott]

I think the item level issue is a non issue. If you don't think someone can handle something, check people's gear before the run. I bounced from a run yesterday for this. Not during the key, but as it was still filling. Once that key is plugged in, you've effectively signed a social contract to attempt it to the best of your ability. If I noticed after I'd be rooting for my team member to surprise me, not just simply dooming for failure.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yes, exactly my thoughts. You messed up if you didn't notice beforehand. And there is an abundance of evidence that you can still do this dungeon and succeed with him in it.

[@sirdiealott]

@@heythereguysitsMetro yeah I was about 20 minutes into the video when I posted, and you guys said almost this exact thing about 15 minutes after that.

[@scurrx]

and 596 is not even a big deal, we cleared 10s in worse gear week one without 3 other people who are 630 and don't take any damage in 10s, I mean its literally right below the level that drops in that key lmao

[@Netherstrasz]

You calling out leavers helps out the community who dislikes and condemns the behavior, and pisses off the ones who do it. So it’s a good thing, especially in extreme stupid cases like your most recent video. I support you doing it

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Thanks for saying so! Trying to do what I can for sure.

[@Netherstrasz]

@ Absolutely! And I’ve also seen low geared players do really well and vice versa. Theres like a chart that shows the more gear matters to a player, the worse they are because the gear needs to compensate for it. I recently healed a Siege (low key, a 4 on an alt) and this rogue was blasting at only 598 and did the most dps by a wide margin when everyone else was over 610. I laughed when you had to point out that cooldowns COME BACK too and it’s extremely noteworthy that for many tanks and healers their cooldowns are very short and effective. Just highlights the lack of knowledge of the numbskulls flaming you and Harry

[@MrCattlehunter]

It's good to hear a community voice say that leaving keys isn't okay. So tired of listening to people, like "man of the people" Growl, just outright say that nothing you do in-game reflects on you as a person so you can just cheat and leave keys for no reason and disrespect other people's time and none of it ever matters. People see all the chatter about people being stressed out from caring *too much* and community voices respond to it by saying that you shouldn't care *at all*, it's deranged. Obviously, caring too much about a game, heck about anything, is bad, especially to the point where it's stressing you out so much you can't handle it anymore, but not caring at all is the same thing just in the opposite direction. Everything is about moderation and finding the right balance. And maybe people should deal with their anxiety issues, the core of this problem, rather than coping by depersonalizing everyone they interact with to get themselves to stop caring. But I digress.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@MrCattlehunter super well said man. It seems like common decency to me, so I support that heavily.

[@TheGraveyarder]

lets chill out a little and not point fingers at growl the toxic behavior is the fault of the person being toxic, not some steamer who isnt even involved in the incident

[@Linda-ul3gt]

@@TheGraveyarder Where did he say it was Growl's fault? He only said that people, citing Growl which might not even be fair, are ambivalent or uncaring towards poor conduct. Its kind of true that there are a lot of people who's only thing to say on this would be " a bad key happens, get over it" which yeah everyone should, but you can still want to reduce the amount of bad keys anyway. For some people especially those with less time to play, a bad key feels so much worse- its a significant waste of time on top of being extremely unfun. People who are permissive of toxic behaviour ought to be brought up. If people see large community figures not care too much about poor conduct, it enables people further. It's just insanely selfish to put in 0 effort, actively waste peoples time or just act in a really anti-social manner. People who don't see an issue with this are part of the problem like it should not need to be explained why this is bad. The way a significant amount of the player base in higher end content conduct themselves is one of the larger issues with the game and its because so many people just think it has to be this way. WoW players just don't beat the unsocialised allegations.

[@TheGraveyarder]

@@Linda-ul3gt okay?? how do you expect other players to punish bad behavior? you know blizzard made us sign a social contract and theres 0 enforcement going on only blizzard has the power to punish the bad eggs here

[@Linda-ul3gt]

@@TheGraveyarder My point is that exactly- blizzard isn't doing much so its on the community to foster a better environment. If people saw youtubers/streamers and people they play with openly chastise people like them, then that without question would reduce some amount of toxic behaviour. The ball is in blizzards court yeah, but a big part of any online game is the way the community behaves and just acting as if its all blizzards fault is just offloading individual responsibility. Only blizzard can punish but the community can still disincentivise people from acting this way in the first place. I've played a bunch of online games that vary in player toxicity and its purely down to how the community has managed to get people to buy into the norms and social expectations. These aren't strictly enforced or anything, its just that most people are gonna behave in a similar way that others around them are. Well known players or people with an audience have the most amount of sway. WoW just has a very apathetic playerbase when it comes to this stuff imo. All that said, I don't think we disagree too much at all. I'm with you when you say blizzard has the most power to fix things and they ought to.

[@Massive-rat-hypocrite]

This paladin got caught and tried to throw "racism" as a flashbang. Good dodge lol.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya, wacky to bring that up tbh lol... when was the last time you saw someone be actual racist.

[@her0268]

Apologises for ruining the gaming experience for 4 other people, then plays the victim and files a defamation claim to take down your video. These types people are genuinely the problem for everything wrong in the world. Like what happened to decency and standing your ground. If you leave keys, you leave keys. Admit it, don't come in here pretending you are a saint for the World of Warcraft community helping countless people. This guy reeks of fakeness, he isn't sorry that he did it, he is sorry that he got caught and exposed doing it. The last few replies that he had proved that.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, basically nothing genuine about all this. Pretty sad behavior.

[@saetchs]

How many people say that he should go do 5s is astonishing. At 597! Wow. I mean I managed to double chest a +8 necrotic when I was at 576 with my disc priest. While still wearing multiple items from dragonflight. Also +7 upgrade at 569. I feel like some people feel like 'I couldn't do that, so no one can.'. I mean, for real? 5s? Not even 7s for heroic gear? And then telling him that he is wasting time otherwise. This is so weird.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Absolute insanity. Only explanation is we are dealing with straight noobs who are jealous or something like that. To actually ADVOCATE for him slowing down his progression is pure nonsense.

[@FMGHarlequin]

@OneAzerothTV I really liked the discussion at around the 40 minute mark, where you discuss "Required Item level". As a long, long, time Raid and Guild leader, that question about "what is the required ilvl for so-and-so" usually tips me off to something. And in my experience, usually people most concerned with item level are the players who make the most mistakes. Here is the way I usually frame it: Item level buys you mistakes. If you are a precises player who makes very few rotational and mechanical mistakes, you can get away with a LOT lower item level. BUT if you are an imprecise player, you'll need to get item level to compensate. So to anyone out there - if you find yourself thinking "It's impossible to do a +10 below 630" or whatever... that probably means you personally are making a lot of mistakes, and need that item level boost to cover those mistakes. And honestly, there's no real shame in that. I'm a "old guy" now so my skills aren't what they used to be, so I crutch on item level a little bit myself. But don't automatically assume that players who are successful at low level are all just being carried.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Very well said. I like the way you explain that and I totally agree. People asking about item level in systems with no hard requirements are simply asking that because they are not confident in their own skill level, I find.

[@nofoxgiven6561]

To be fair though, at the most basic level item level is required to not be one shot by mechanics. Very few classes have infinite defensives to survive things not being kicked/CCed. I agree that skill is the most contributing factor but you need health.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@nofoxgiven6561 at this level, the amount of health you have is near trivial. And that is assuming you NEED everyone to survive every one shot. At this level, you also don't. Now if you have 5 people at 597 ilvl, I'm sure there may be a different discussion here.

[@FMGHarlequin]

@@nofoxgiven6561 Right, the most technical sense, you need to equip gear to play the game. I'm not saying that there's some godly way to play that will let you solo a boss in the nude. And also, there are some types of mistakes that you cannot gear away from (like running off a cliff). But other than the extreme tails of the bell curve, there is a lot of real scenarios. Think of it this way: could an MDI/TGP winning team do a +10 with their entire team in quest greens? I actually bet they could. And that's what I mean when I say precise play and mistakes. Using a chain lighting when you should have lavabursted, using a defensive when you would have survived without, not moving as the portal is spawning and taking a single tick of damage... a thousand mini-mistakes are what separate the best players from us civilians. But by DESIGN, the game gives you item level to cover those mistakes. Keys don't require perfection to complete, but near perfect play can allow one player to be successful at much lower item levels.

[@sorrowgamingx]

It’s possible to time 10s with a full group of 605-610 easily if you play well you definitely don’t need to out gear it. I think required ilvl in raid is a different debate as in mythic raid usually if you lack ilvl it shows you are not committed and most the time a raid logger not coming prepared and being a detriment to others. 2 very different situations. In m+ though you don’t need to gatekeep ilvl at all. Anyone who has an ego will never reach high keys no one will want to play with them in title range or higher they perceive their io to be superior and therefore think they are superior but people at the top have very little to no ego and are generally easy to get along with it’s very funny how in the “mid” range of keys is where the biggest ego exists at least pug wise

[@KingDain3338]

Love the vid, also the gear discussion is so bizzare. Did a few weekly 10s and I inspect everyone and if theres an omega issue its so easy to just bow out, crazily enough the best key this week was with a 580 prot pally tank, turns out skill is better than gear who knew.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Who would have guessed it haha

[@MoldyKumquat]

So, I was running with Harry a little bit as we geared up, and I’ll admit when he started suggesting we run higher keys at something like 580ish ilvl, I thought he was certified! With that being said, I also found the idea very exciting! Anyway, Harry is a certified good player, and ilvl wasn’t the issue at all. I have seen him do it. These people should stop making excuses for poor behavior.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well said. Harry is a very good player out of no where, honestly. He can absolutely do it on any item level as long as the group isn't making it even harder for him.

[@hardtocarryharry]

Cheers moldy and metro

[@SigmaChirality]

Blizzard needs to just get rid of the key and key depletion system for M+. Let groups set M+ level when they walk in, perhaps on a short CD to prevent abuse. Fewer crests, the repair costs, waste of consumables and time is punishment enough for a depletion. It would solve so many problems with the pug scene. In this case, you’d just replace that player and reset, no big deal. Would also free up groups to move away from the meta picks a bit since it removes risk from picking up a bad pug

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I would love this but been giving feedback like this for years and no hint they are considering it.

[@LordCartmanGaming]

Yeah the delve system could be adapted Like you have to time a 2 to go into a 3 and so on plus if you triple upgrade a 2 you can go 5 and so on. And make it for all dungeons so you do not have to progress all dungeons seperately. This would primarily get rid of the key depletion issue but also make sure if you want to do a 10, your group members either upgraded a 9, double upgraded an 8 or triple upgraded a 7. This imo is more important than ilvl but it also can mean jack shit. I recently wanted to do a mists+10 and invited players who timed mists+11. Yet it still finished it over time because the ret pala in the group did 2 stupid decisions by pulling an extra stag beetle and pulling trash while fighting the last boss. At a moment where we had mind link so the tank was gone to break it off. Both those pulls caused wipes and made a safe timed key into a completion over time. People are not robots. If someone blasts 2mil DPS in one key they can be at 1mil DPS the next, due to lots of factors. To me this makes pugging beautiful because very funny things can happen. Unfortunately too many players have a different mindset so even though I would like the idea of no key depletion combined maybe with a progress system like delves, the community would quickly go from "you bricked the key" to "you wasted my precious time", which is a thing I also often heard players who left say.

[@beebeemw]

These kinds of people get very mad when they get found out, and exposed. That’s it plain and simple. We have seen this time and again on your channel and they get so mad and defensive when they get found out.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@beebeemw oh ya. Always funny how they think they are special too.

[@ThomasBachler01]

I think its funny how this is all is about ego and perception. Somebody who thinks of themselves as too good to play with/carry people that don't play optimal or are under-geared and deems it justified to punish them for that, then is upset about not being portrait as the great, noble person and charitable pro-gamer that they want to be perceived as. Will then try the easiest way to try to fix that image and leashes out if they don't get their way. My advise to anybody like that: Just don't take yourself so seriously and humble yourself. I have left keys in a way that I am not proud of in the past and if that ever ended up here (or anywhere else) and I get called out for it, then I would be like "Fair enough! That was really bad of me - Sorry guys, no excuses, I have to do better" and leave it at that. If you mess up and get called out for it then that is ok, it doesn't need to follow an overall balance and principle that compares what you have done nice or well against what you have done badly. Owning up to mistakes is a big step to being truly happy and content.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well said, as always.

[@TeyAbsolut]

Metro, I understand your point. And you're right. However, It seems to me you have a hard time comprehending how much this behavior became normal in the community. As a protection paladin, I just learnt to accommodate everyone as much as possible to get a smooth run. I know it shouldn't be that way. But unfortunately, in pugs, most people don't care about you, a lot of them are thrash at the game or don't even care to improve. At some point, I even try to give tips or ask for tips, all I get is "you're thrash", "you should stick to +5". And it's not just people with low RIO score. I played with people in the 3.7k-3k range, most of them are even worse, looking down on people like us with low IQ. I stopped caring for high keys because of them. I just realized, the more I climb in the RIO score, the worse it gets. I'm just playing this game after work to have fun. I like M+, but man, I'm already getting enough stress in real life, so I just stopped going beyond +10s.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well we are doing our part to make it NOT normal. That's the goal here. Hope you'll do what you can to help!

[@LordCartmanGaming]

All I can say is I am thankful for your content as it inspires me do a) do better and b) not stoop down to the level of leavers

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@LordCartmanGaming glad to hear that man. Happy to have you around!

[@jewishjojo]

"This is not a hill, this is my home." Many thanks to the M+ community for keeping a roof over your hobbit hole

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya for real!

[@tili_]

597 ilvl can be a problem for priests own survival in a dawnbreaker with so much unavoidable damage. it is not a non-issue. if he can survive the last miniboss and 2nd boss, all good

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@tili_ yup he has plenty of health. Just low ilvl trinkets. So it is a non issue

[@Mduffy-yo6rb]

I watched the video and didn’t even realize Harry was like 590 because the heals looked fine.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yup, at no point was a single person in danger or lacking healing. Now, fair point that the hard boss was on its way up, but still, to make claims about his character is just deflection.

[@bobrussle]

Toxicity Begets Toxicity

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

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[@briancates3576]

No matter where I look it seems like wow players consistently have the worst possible takes...thanks for calling these people out

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, some one has to do it.

[@markbush4767]

An account wide debuff that prevents grouping for like 1-2 hours and doesn't decrease while offline if you leave before the timer is out. Not able to leave the dungeon within timer without a vote to disband.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya the vote would require a solo queue but I think it's coming.

[@avarosaire5]

Landing on the roof is something I commonly saw in lower keys, but as we've progressed to 10s and up I've seen it a lot less. I totally get both reasonings behind doing it and not doing it. I think the easiest way to get around the confusion would be for the tank to just say in chat at some point what their plan is. "hey gathering at roof and then heading to front" or "going straight to back porch" just so people have an idea, since I've seen it done both ways multiple times now. Or just change your flight mode to normal and hover in the air until you see the tank land. I don't think the roof is super detrimental but I also don't think its super needed. Definitely a weak point of the dungeon when it comes to pugs. Almost as bad as people in the mists maze constantly going through the wrong doorway lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya lots of ways to do things in this dungeon. Ultimately on the DPS to just react to the tank there.

[@musicxmp3533]

The part about reasons to leave reminded me of a tank in Dragonflight who did the whole dungeon with us and left right before the last boss to finish the key saying we're not worthy of timing it. That was probably the dumbest reason i've heard in my time playing. One thing I started to love was the addon "I Remember You" which allows you to leave notes on players and they pop up when you mouseover them or they join your group. This way I can "flag" any leaver for myself and avoid them in the future as well as leaving notes on great players I enjoyed playing with.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

ya that would have been a great one to record and send in, so everyone would always remember him haha

[@knightcrux9596]

Literally all that paladin dude needed to do was apologize for his behavior, take the correction and move on as a better person but instead played the victim, doubled down on his behavior and then filed a false report. If this guy really is a grown adult, then I pity them. They got a LOT of growing up to do still and turning off the video games and getting some social skills practice is necessary for them.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@knightcrux9596 ya honestly I hope this dude just got off the Internet a bit. Seems to take this stuff way too seriously and it's probably bordering on mental health concerns due to that.

[@stephanlunden4318]

I like your passin over this topic, but what I don't lile that all players who runs mostly "low" keys are called Noobs or are bad at the game. This is also some sort of disrespect to most people who play WoW (like me).

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@stephanlunden4318 no that's not what happened here. I called people noobs who think you need to farm 5s to do 10s. That's really crazy tbh.

[@Dominus_Deanster]

The pally is only cutting onions because he thought the cameras weren't rolling and he could let his true self slip out. He's not upset about being called out for leaving, he's upset because now people will know who he actually is rather than the 'nice helping hand' facade he puts up online.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Honestly sounds like that's the case.

[@jstlink89]

Why would a 631 do a ten? For the great vault. Not everyone has perfect gear yet and may have fun continuing their gearing process without caring about their rating. Maybe they want the gear piece to make raiding easier and that's the content they are pushing while keys are for chill fun. Are you saying everyone in m+ should only be pushing?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jstlink89 if you are 631 you really aren't getting much from the vault at this point, but ya honestly I tend to assume everyone should be pushing.

[@jstlink89]

@heythereguysitsMetro true you won't get much, but I am in this same situation. I don't enjoy pugging 11s and up and I have tried. I'm open to running with a team tho. I am in a guild that is still progressing on the raid and am also 631, but there is still a couple of minor upgrades I could get and I enjoy doing tens with pugs so I have fun still trying to get those tiny little upgrades I have left.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jstlink89 Fair enough, do what makes you happy!

[@Painbow9553]

Try to remain optimistic that the insight of your videos is appreciated by people. There are always going to be many people who think they know more than they do, and that's when videos like this have to be made to correct the record. I'm cracking up watching this right now because the SAME thing happened to me today except with about 20 redditors trying to dogpile me. How can I contend with that in text? I can't! Has to be video! I bet it gets real quiet now. :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha ya man love the way you have handled stuff like this over the years. And appreciate you still checking out these videos even if you aren't playing retail anymore. Keep being you!

[@TonyBones616]

The "they have to have my ilvl" requirement cracks me up. I just imagine them saying "For god's sake, if there any worse than me, we're not gonna time this!" Also, do these people just ignore keys the first few weeks? We were doing keys up to 8 in newbie gear at the start of the season. I think my first 10 was very close to 600, and we knew the dungeons a hell of a lot less than we do now. I KNOW I've done alt runs with my group under 600 without any issues.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, I was shocked to look back and learn that I was well about 600 item level at the start of this season, thanks to delves, but still, its an absurd statement to say you can't succeed at this level with his gear. Clearly spoken from some one who is not very good at the game.

[@sveintheberserk]

if i did these dungeons, i'd only leave if i was like... "Hey guy's, it's like... 5AM and i'm going to die if i dont sleep.. i'm so sorry folks can we stop the key?"

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@sveintheberserk good to hear that perspective!

[@deseanroot75]

If you are in a group 597 isnt that low. My group did a 10 ~603 ish at like week 2. Edit: People also forget an eod 10 drops 613 ilvl. Using the 15ilvl difference he is at the right spot to prog a 10 anyway.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya great point about that end of dungeon item level.

[@Kribaca117]

I refuse to believe some of those people are actually really real, like that 631ilvl. Probably just a child that didn't do their chores, got taken off the PC, and he went online to troll in anger.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

haha sadly I think they are.

[@Kribaca117]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I really hope you continue to do longer form content like this. I know this was a special case and all, but, man. I love doing solo delves/farming/ & other WoW content while listening to podcasts. And of course I don't want you raging at idiots like this all the time; it wouldn't be healthy for your mental health, lol.

[@__rezin__7819]

Hes not wrong, 597 in a 10 is rude

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@__rezin__7819 He is absolutely wrong. I know its a long video, but give it a watch.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Kribaca117 Thanks! We will do more podcasts for sure!

[@Rattja]

That part about how he could have salvaged the situation really got me. I mean, yea, sure, a healer can probably save many situations but that one is not one of them. Even if he had some magical future sight, knowing he would dive in like that, and he'd put pain suppression + a maxed out shield on him, he'd still get one-shot. No amount of hps would have helped with that. To even suggest that is beyond stupid. As for the whole ilvl thing, I wouldn't really care that much unless it clearly is a problem. I've seen 580s heal better than 610s so I know skill is far more of a factor. However, the lower your ilvl is the more you have be able to back it up, like Harry certainly does. I will say though, that if you show up for a +10 with sub 600 at this point, I will think of you as a bit lazy considering how easy it is to get. I'd also be a bit annoyed by the fact that you have the skill to do it at sub 600, and you could do it even better/easier with higher gear, but you chose not to get it. Just feels like wasted potential to me, and a little bit rude, but that's just me. Although, it matters less for healers I suppose.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Rattja ya that comment about out gearing a paladin aggroing trash is insane. And make no mistake. Harry is absolutely lazy haha

[@Azari_D]

Pretty mild, first world problems. As somebody that plays all 13 classes and fills up +10s for all 108 dungeon slots and pugs most of it, just to say I experience tons of pugs and tons of leavers of various types. Just go again. If you have a problem with your key being "bricked" or reducing from failure/leaving, then I think that should be taken up with Blizzard, they're very insistent on rewarding "precise" gameplay, and punishing the opposite. I personally could not 'ever' care about rating in our current system, it gives you a title that doesn't even sound cool, and nobody cares about. To be honest, not very many people even care about mythic+ in general, it just gets laughed about and looked at like it's the easy content in WoW when compared to raiding or arena. What I 'do' care about and would love to see changed is that we have 'severely' diminished crests for failure to complete a key on time, a real tangible reward that we must gather in abundance because they increased how many upgrades we have to do in myth track from last season by 50% while simultaneously increasing difficulty. They set us up for failure in pugs, and we're here picking up the pieces, and I don't personally leave very many keys, maybe less than 5 this whole xpac, but I don't blame people that do, even if a lot of the time their estimates of if we can succeed or not based on where we currently are is very off. We can try to shame them or whatever, but realistically it doesn't do anything but blow off steam for yourself. I have a friend that gets so upset over it that he wants to make a character on the realm of a rude leaver and message his guild master. Why even waste energy on it? You're spending more time and energy being mad about the leavers than they've ever costed you, and it's fruitless energy too, it's not ever going to change anything en masse, and we all know that. The only thing that can change the culture in the game is new rules or new systems or new punishments. Trying to shame or hunt people down like a vigilante isn't going to accomplish anything. In short, we should examine the system that's facilitating or causing this behavior and fix it(the crest loss upon depleting a key), or no punishment happening. Everybody has a different idea on what should and shouldn't be punished and where the line is on each of these behaviors, which means that it's going to complicated to punish. I can't speak to keys above 10, because in those the crests don't matter anymore and it's all about the timer, but that's such a small % of players that are even partaking in this content, and it doesn't have tangible rewards, or anything that anyone cares about really(coming from somebody that thinks M+ is the most fun content in the game), I don't know that time spent on that issue will result in much return in sentiment or money for Blizzard.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Brother I stopped reading after you said "not many people care about mythic+" on a channel where 99.9 percent of the content is M+ focused. Thanks for the chat.

[@datmeern8404]

The entire problem with this guy is that, He saw everyone else as less and inferior to himself and made himself into a clown and raged out in embarrassment.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya pretty wild behavior here. Sadly it pales in comparison to this guy from yesterday.

[@AmandaPelland]

To add, the key leaver is just defending themselves, very badly at that. The run was recorded and it boggles my mind to justify leaving a key and their response.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, poor effort on his part. Just own it, apologize, and move on! If you watch this whole thing you will see some REALLY crazy stuff from him towards the end.

[@AmandaPelland]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Oh gawd, Reducer doesn't even know what defamation is, period. Oh and video is still up because there is no defamation.

[@kreemily1371]

We timed a 10 grim batol with like 16 deaths. You can wipe so much and time tens! Especially if it isnt on a boss fight. I personally dont care if people leave after its certain it wont be timed especially if the key is just for score. But this is not the case.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

ya, and grim batol is sooo much tighter than Dawnbreaker.

[@tili_]

he's probably grateful that this video is 2hr+

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

haha

[@sabatykos]

brother metro! a similar situation happened to me a long time ago. I was once dragged into a pandaria pug as a Pally tank. I had this one guy trolling me every time. At the end we whiped on the last boss after the last round of trolling I got turned off. I didnt accept the ressy and logged off for the night. I was that heated and did not want to take it out on anyone. I just went to sleep that night. Point is WHEN it happened to me I simply stepped aside and went to go do something else. I didn't take my shit out on anybody. We failed the run cause that whole group was not prepared and I was under geared. I knew I was not ready for the pug. Metro I am sorry you guys went through this. He should really apologize to yall for depleting the key. Anyway I wanted to share a story of mine that I went through that relates. Stay safe bro I no longer tank for groups cause of this type of stuff. I do heals though and DPS. Stay safe brother Metro and you guys are great yall are a major inspiration to me!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@sabatykos thanks man, especially for sharing your story!

[@sabatykos]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Brother metro I have another point I want to add. Blizz makes people sign a social contract now. I think people who leaves keys need some sort of a punishment or debuff. Like a leaver debuff. Either way I am really sorry this situation is going on with you guys! youre a good dood bro! stay safe like i said and be good man!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@sabatykos I agree! You too!

[@aaronowens8941]

I’m only 10 minutes in and everything’s brilliant so far. As a healing priest, I hope to (continue to) empathize with Harry as I continue to watch. Thanks for your dedication!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Glad to hear!

[@slb159]

Same...this is great stuff. Early on, the commenter saying, "Life happens...deal with it" is very disturbing. Shows what kinds of people are out there. Although they did change "Life" to "Game" later in the string, they are still in the wrong. And either way, game or life, or whatever...where do you draw the line? If your child got abducted and the police showed up to take a statement from you, then shrugged their shoulders and said, "It happens, deal with it", I don't think anyone would be satisfied with that response.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

​@@slb159lol ya really not even a bad example there. Some one took an action that is reprehensible and his response is "that's life, get over it?!" I absolutely will not just stand by and do nothing sorry.

[@el3ctros]

I agree people leaving your weekly 10 sucks, especially when you can still time it. I will ask people if they will stay for completion for weekly at the start, usually if they say they will stay they will keep their word. At the same time the community has decided that leaving anything above a 10 is standard after a wipe or two. Due to 11+ just being about IO a lot of people can justify ditching an 11+ if it won't be timed. I don't entirely disagree with this because most people would consider it a waste of time to finish a key with no reward.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya problem is most people need the practice. So chain leaving every key that has set backs only means they become worse and worse as the season goes on.

[@jonathanjudenberger613]

Interesting discussion. Really enjoyed it. Only thing that bugged me was the roof thingy tough. in the 50+ dawnbreakers I did so far, ive never seen it before.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that roof is not a good decision. But not really this big of a deal.

[@jonathanjudenberger613]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yea I agree, I can see the mistake the ret did also happen to myself when im farming 10s of my alt. Just cause im on autopilot. No need to leave right after tough lol. That was 100% on the ret.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

​@@jonathanjudenberger613ya the mistake is whatever. You can partially blame the tank. But that level of mistake should NEVER result in you leaving a key and then insulting others.

[@LordCartmanGaming]

I have seen this more than I have not seen it. And not just the church roof, but also the roof at the 2nd and 3rd miniboss. Some tanks I ran with land somewhere on roofs or staircases, or they stay in air with normal flying. It is annoying but it is something a good player should be able to adapt to. The issue with people focusing on minor mistakes from players except the leaving paladin is that their arguments would be correct in a single player game, not a multiplayer game. Like so many m+ imo should just play single player games where every fight follows a script and only their decisions change the outcome. But in a game like wow there are 4 other players, and if someone can not accept that those 4 players also influence the outcome, wow simply is not the right game for them.

[@shockre1119]

@@LordCartmanGaming tank should've been on the ground before anyone else, what was he expecting. If group is looking on the mini map they cannot see if he's on the roof or inside the church and I assume that's what happened.

[@Ariaaae]

"This is not a hill... this is my home." 👏🏼

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Ariaaae I was lost, but now I live here. I have severely improved my predicament!

[@kaliyvga1426]

I understand people being embarassed and leaving because of that

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@kaliyvga1426 that's not what happened here.

[@GauloisesGER]

The take from that 631 Priest is just beyond bad^^ We have a group of people now from different guilds and we come together for "RAT-Tuesday". We are double upgrading 10s with an average item lvl of 600 throughout the group and we are having laughs and a good time. Item level is overrated. Make an effort to learn your class and what it can do and work with the people you are playing the key with. It is that easy but requires effort on everyone's part

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's really shocking to hear such things being said about some one who is demonstrably succeeding already. Like if they think he is brand new to the game or something lol

[@shockre1119]

I helped to few of my friends to get gear, and few times they asked me to set up queue because I'm 630 ilvl, and I refused. In my group, if we are helping someone, he needs to set up queue so everyone can see his ilvl. Now, if it was Harry's key, and he gave queue lead to tank because of ilvl that's misleading for me and there is a risk that in any given moment if someone realize that someone is carried they can or will leave. On the other side if that paladin joined knowing that Harry is 597 than it's his bad. Maybe it would be best option if Blizzard can set up, that every time in a queue, it shows party member with lowest ilvl.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well either way, he had the chance to check before the key started, and he didn't. This is all an excuse either way. Ilvl has nothing to do WHAT SO EVER with the mistake of running into trash, and the idea that Harry might have some how prevented this by being higher item level is simply the ramblings of shitty players refusing to take responsibility for sucking.

[@justnotsuretbh]

I'm new to WoW and the idea of M+ interests me a lot(coming from FFXIV) and stuff like leavers and whatnot kind of dissuades me. How else is anyone supposed to learn or get better if they don't push through failure or mistakes? I get that if you don't time it, you get nothing but still. Maybe it's different for higher keys, but if people do that in 10+ I don't have a reason to not believe that people also wouldn't do that in a 4 or whatever else.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, they do it everywhere. The good thing about it is though, its mostly a response to catastrophic failure, which wont really exist in a 4. So the problem barely exists in low keys, just because they are so easy. But the higher up you go, it feels like its a speedrun to disband most keys. The second something goes wrong people scatter to the wind. This can all be avoided by forming a group of friends or using a discord like wow made easy etc. But ya, pugging is a mess and is only getting worse!

[@damkina_ina]

hot take If you don't want to run with someone wtih "lower then average" item level - don't Like noone is forcing you to join the group Noone is forcing you to stay in the group once you had plenty of time to look at iL if it matters so much (before entering the key) Also on a personal rant: A good healer isn't defined by their hps But by their utility and dps - provided everyone stays alive In fact - a healer with low HPS but no deaths means that the group likely has good synergy and everyone is doing their job

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yes exactly. That's why I said that this guy would say some one doing zero hps was bad but in reality all that means is everyone is full health.

[@Ddlmt1687]

10s can be timed without a healer if dps use defensive correctly and with correct comp. If you think healer cant heal the key in 10 then in reality it just means you dont trust yourself to not be hit by avoidable damage

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Very well said there.

[@FoxiestDuck]

30:00 This Chris guy obviously has a privilege issue. Oh, you have a friend group to play with, congratz, not everyone has the time and commitment to find a group to play and learn with.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@FoxiestDuck ya idk what the point of bringing that up even was lol

[@karocify]

How is the dude who bricked the key the victim here 😭🤌

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@karocify haha crazy right!?

[@noirfx7755]

With the whole spamming 5-7 keys at the start of the season, if you solo pug as a dps capping out on the heroic crest currency was a requirement to have a competitive enough item level to start getting invited to 9s and 10s in the first place, as a healer or tank probably not as necessary.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

No, you can just do your own key up until failure like everyone else. I constantly joined key with DPS my same ilvl and score that had a 10 or higher those first weeks.

[@Waterloggedgaming]

Even if ilvl isn't an issue, you can shoot to 610+ without much effort if you already have you Renowns in place and can earn your sparks quickly this late in the season. Not flaming him, but I also don't understand the approach of pugging without first taking the time to set up accordingly. You have to think about it as the "community" has progressed to 10s already, so many will find it offensive to not be prepared to a certain standard. Again I am NOT saying 597 ilvl means you shouldn't be in a 10, but I also just know I could quickly and easily gear far past that without setting foot in M+. Let me also say I agree on all fronts that leavers should be held accountable, but I also just hope that if they ever make a queue system for M+ that ilvl brackets are in place so everyone's time is more respected.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

He is basically 610 just without trinkets. He doesn't need to improve his gear because it's not holding him back. His primary goals were filling vaults that first week.

[@kevinpedersen5290]

There is no excuse for what he did. He needs to grow up and take responsibility. There is nothing further to discuss.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well said. He has since named his discord account "cancelled." So he hasn't done those things lol

[@lukenetherton5673]

The initial comment from the subject of the video demonstrates such a poor mentality. They are so worried about what everyone else apparently isn't doing correctly, that they forgot to look at themselves. If we spent less time starting at details worried about everyone else, then perhaps we wouldn't have run into trash and died. On the subject of leaving keys, it's obviously wrong to do. M+ is designed to be a competitive environment, and by leaving a key as this person did (i.e. not a mutual agreement to stop the run) you're griefing the game. No one is fine with leavers in ranked Overwatch, or any other game with a competitive mode, and in those games you also get punished for it. As far as I'm concerned, if you're ok with this sort of leaving, you're part of the problem and making excuses for you own behavior.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, if you are fine with this, you just suck at the game and think you are way better than you are. You see that in a LOT of these comments tbh. A lot of people basically self admitting they don't even try to improve key to key.

[@Kirschbaum2000]

I recently started into the expansion as a tank, bdk. I am 589 ilvl(2,1k) and i only queue up for keys with potential score upgrades. U can and will get gear and get better, but u wont do that without trying, failing and learning. I hate farming things. I do m+ to progress and challange myself. I will not participate in this dumb behaviour to mindlessly farm 8s for days just to farm a currency and max out gear. If u dont want to play with ppl that low gear, dont invite them or inspect and leave, simple.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Kirschbaum2000 those are my thoughts exactly. I can't stand limiting progression on purpose.

[@AmandaPelland]

My first reaction was Ohhhoooo!! To bad for you leaver!! hahah!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

haha

[@nucleartickz]

Ah .. well ive been doing keys now for a few years now. started in BFA, pushed to 25/26 and lemme tell ya , those years of experience tells you that people can do keys regardless ilvl. i remember DF s1 people were even timing 15s with entry level gear, is not about your ilvl , but skills. Notice how some people say skills over anything? well they do not respect it lol , but i do attribute that to the toxicity blizzard has added this time to this season. people are unforgiving, looking at your pants.. no like it? they leave, one death, they leave, you dont do 4M dps they rage at you, etc etc. Yesterday we had 2 terrible city of threads 10s and in one the paladin was about to quit wow /healing just cause the mage told him : get gud. i felt terrible for him, i know how hard healing can get , specially if those ... mages ... don't know they have a god damn button call dragons breath or blast wave. meh Harry can go do whatever keys he want, people should mind their own business too but i can tell you this, much of these toxicity comes down from PTSD from week 1, ill blame blizzard, i will.. i need a dummy target to unleash da rage. And as you said : clearly new players, dont know yet you can time keys with lower ilvl than intended :p

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

well said!

[@C_Griffy]

It’s just plain selfish disrespectful people. Imagine the mentality that someone would have to have to think “damn these 4 other people in the only one that matters” there are so many examples of this in the real world…people parking in the fire lane directly infront of the grocery store. People leaving their shopping cart in the middle of the parking lot. Blasting loud music in a quiet neighborhood. It’s this awful self centered mentality that is getting out of control in general. Start thinking a little about the people around you…not just yourself

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's really insane how selfish and entitled the world has gotten. Scary.

[@varbanchev]

I fell TWICE through a web bridge, on the way to one of the mini bosses on Ara-Kara. I was so embarrassed and angry with myself that alt-f4 out of the game and did not log back in for the rest of the day.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I bet no one even noticed tbh. I do dumb shit alll the time and no one ever comments.

[@MrCattlehunter]

@@heythereguysitsMetro people don't comment because they don't wanna get people mad and cause them to leave or whatever. instead they're whispering each other behind your back or complaining in gchat or on discord. people are too easily offended. I'd rather get mocked for doing something dumb and laugh about it than have people stay silent.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@MrCattlehunter Well maybe. My point was, there is no reason to leave over that.

[@inallthechaos2774]

What social contract? People like that are impossible to please. They're going into in game interactions looking for something to crash out about

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

ya

[@hicarn]

This video is wild. I'm new here but never seen you so animated! The iLvl issue is hilarious to me.. If everyone was dying constantly simply because Harry couldn't heal them, that'd be one thing.. But in the video he clearly wasn't the short coming. I'll admit, if I see a low iLvl healer apply for my key, I'll likely not take them BUT to say someone who HAS already cleared a 10 with his low iLvl that he needs to go get MORE iLvl is just wrong... iLvl matters of course but skill can bridge the gap in iLvl easily.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya skill matters much more. I don't think I have ever been that animated in a video tbh

[@yngve9470]

The guy at 47:00 with the wall of text talking about HPS, I main healer and alot of time my +10s require less healing then these 5-7 keys he talks about, because people in the higher keys are better at kicking, CC'ing and using defensives

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

ya its 100 percent nonsense. He has no idea how healing works clearly.

[@galf9242]

So -- the leaver is a jerk. His behavior should be heavily discouraged, and I appreciate you calling attention to it, because he seems to think its ok. But I think we go a bit too far trivializing 10 keys, expecting all tanks to function like bdks, and not realizing steps that can be taken given the low ilvl. When no one in that group had done higher than a 10 except the shaman, it seems weird to act like a 10 dawnbreaker is faceroll territory for them. The advice to just immediately engage the pack after the first boss feels like it assumes both being a BDK and having a competent group. Depending on where the paladin's cooldowns are after the first boss, he may just die if his healer gets lost -- non-BDK tanks have sustain issues. And on a 10, I think its realistic enough that people get lost that trying to get the party grouped isn't a terrible idea. Finally, I know you do this yourself -- you try not assume anything from your pugs if you can help it. I don't expect party members to inspect others pre-key. This issue could have been worked around by announcing the priest's ilvl at the start but clarifying that you had already timed a 10 siege and didn't expect issues here. That paladin probably would have left at the start of the key, but you'd find someone fine with it.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Good point about other tanks. I don't think these pulls are hard enough to be concerned with this, but maybe. This really is a very easy dungeon to survive in my experience, but I could be wrong. In terms of the item level thing, I have said my piece and wont hear any arguments for harry doing anything wrong here. If that guy is worried about his groupmates, its on him to vet them before agreeing to start.

[@durun1224]

Reading some of these comments on that video makes you really think why tanks/healers don’t wanna do pugs anymore. As you said it, it’s really telling how many people actually don’t know how to play this game lmao. Thankfully delves will provide a nice relief in season two is already shaping up to be really good for delves overall.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya really wild to hear some of these comments honestly.

[@saetchs]

I'd like to see even more of these kind of videos, but I'm afraid if this becomes a regular occurence, people will leave fake 'dumb' comments in order to get featured.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya these are only for special occasions for sure.

[@saetchs]

I love these videos, but these comments make me wonder if this game is attracting these kind of people or if it's turning them into these kind of people. I mean this is not just some disagreement. They are absolutely bitter. Is insulting everyone who has a different opinion than you making them feel better? Are they going on their way thinking what great of a person they are and how they 'owned' that guy on the internet? It must be, right?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I think it's forging these people, for sure. They are not critical thinkers or particularly intelligent walking into this, and then they just follow these shitty breadcrumbs the game leaves scattered about and it ends down this alleyway of degeneracy and selfishness. Bad all around and blizzard refuses to do a thing about it.

[@acerimmer9894]

if u have rl life shit to deal with yeh leave the key if u have no choice but at least apologise before u do out of respect for other peoples time

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@acerimmer9894 ya this guy doesn't have any respect for others it seems.

[@michaelb9683]

I mean the bottom line is that dude who bricked key is an ass. He could have chosen to not join the group upon inspecting people. If they key was indeed still going to be easily chested, he was just being overly dramatic. It was sort of a tangent to go off into the realm of players getting carried and such. Not sure how the priest item level became the lightning rod for all the toxicity present in keys where people don't do mechanics and then just leave. DPS and HPS is less of an issue then doing the mechanics and pulling methodically. Throughput still important but it's not everything.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well said!

[@Thorkou]

I've had plenty of people leave my key, I just reform and move on. I did 7's early in the season, never been Interested in the 1% tittle. I find getting the portal's and 2500 a good goal each season but i prefer to take my time and get there so I can enjoy it and not get bored of wow by doing more.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

k

[@Artivle]

I love you man lol I was hoping we would get this video after looking at that comment section. Get yourself a man who sticks up for you the way Metro sticks up for Harry!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Artivle haha me and Harry have been through some CRAZYYY things together.

[@bobbilling1075]

I should have been recording this season. Slowest portal acquisition I’ve had and it’s because of shit like this

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Record them all moving forward!

[@exhaustedua6659]

TBH, you've probably went a bit too far here 58:08. I don't think you can actually solo Dawnbreaker +10 as 597 blood DK (even bosses only). That would be an interesting experiment. Prove me wrong!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, wish I had the time. I 100 percent think I can, it just depends on how the last boss works.

[@kidcharlamagne]

About a month ago I asked if 609 was good enough to tank 8s. Yous said sure, it doesn't matter. Something along those lines.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@kidcharlamagne exactly. It doesn't matter because gear is not the main factor for why you can tank an 8.

[@francis9060]

i understand the point , is shitty to be in a key and at the minimun error , ppl leave, "out of nowhere" but what if the main issue here is Self-awearness instead of thinking , "oh u know, i wasnt struggling at all". What if ur main goal is just to time the key and u are not interested on keep moving on , who are u or who are we xd to tell , u know this is bad or good or acceptable. Im open to the debate , i have been taking for a while , but this mesonic position of saying , " this is bad and we need to call it out" is kinda weird. Is Human behaviour, i totally disagree on sistems to pushing for leaving , would be so overexploted in a bad way cause sometimes ppl cant stand that simple as is life , u cant reach certain lvl cause in orden to do it , u just dont have the skill. And thats it! . I was open to get in DF to 3kio and i said ok , this is my skill and time limit . Honestly , are u get use to just constructive or bad feedback? We need to have careful with this kind of content.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I'm not saying this to insult you but I simply can't understand your point here. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier or a proof reading thing but I don't know how to respond to this. All I can say is some one needs to "call it out" because it's not okay, many people agree it's not okay, but blizzard isn't doing anything to fix it. So it has to be us. I hope that's an adequate reply.

[@francis9060]

@@heythereguysitsMetro probably, what i mean to say is that its just a game , probably spend 2 hours on this video doesnt worth it

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@francis9060 Worth it for me. I assume you aren't telling me what to prioritize when I'm making content, because that is very disrespectful.

[@francis9060]

@@heythereguysitsMetro sorry my broken english, is not native. So im not telling what kind of content u have to make , in my opinion, 2 hours of that is just over reacting to a human behaviour that we can see in game. I truly dont understand which kind of measure blizzard should make to control this, and i think any sistem will be put in the wrong hands. I think that if we gonna over react on any comment, any person who left or anything u see in comments, u would be really unhappy, life isnt tjat serious. Its just a game, u can see raider io of any player now, if FUN to watch, i enjoy your videos, but its not a thing to be so stress about ( and i love the stadistics u manage in excel. Is fun and educative). I see this as an not serious issue, what if u are tanking and u screw a mechanic and u ruin a key cause u dont have the skill or u do t have the gear or u dont correct route?, is not kinda the same same but different but same? Any member of the group can think that u did it on porpuse or cause u were trolling or cause u dont have the selfawearness to say, damm , maybe im not ready to push or they can think that u were just , bad. I have seen toooxic ppl in this channel, of course, but sometimes is a matter of perspective i think. The first time i tank up to 3kio, i think probably the 10% of the ppl who i played were like on top of that barrier of dificulty. And that is how i see as tank. I enjoy your videos , but totally disagree with a sistem to control or punish this kinda things, we are humans after all, if u fuck up, u cna get nervous, have panic attacks, maybe act as an idiot, felt guilty or even put in a defensive/agressive way, the direction to fix this kinda things is just ot be more kind.

[@ryanyoungen2449]

This whole thing is a really slippery slope. On one hand you should never be forced to stay in a group, however, you should finish the key or at least give it your best shot. I usually run my key and my key only, whenever I invite pugs this is just a reality I’ve learned to live with. I usually run with my own premade group, but when I can’t I accept that this can happen aka people leaving my key. It isn’t right, but this mode was never marketed as a pug friendly system, it was always intended to be for premade groups. I think that behavior is shitty and I never leave keys unless there is blatant trolling. If you make leaving keys a bannable offense, you are going to force people to take some serious abuse and whatnot in keys. I tank and only tank, the other exception I make when leaving keys is if you are just being flat out rude. If you aren’t giving helpful advice and just telling me to off myself I’ll leave the key. If it was a bannable offense I’d have to sit there and be forced to listen to that. It’s just my two cents, I fully agree with you both, but the flip side has the potential to be much worse.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

No one is advocating for it to be bannable. Sorry if I confused people with that word. Your example is too narrow anyway. Obviously it would not just be key LEAVING that would be actionable, it would be key disruption and "griefing." The person in your example who would be actioned would be the person being "flat out rude."

[@MyNameIsWatuZ]

its fun to see you so passionate about this it made me so happy when u roasted him that hard haha

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya this really bothered me, glad it was enjoyable!

[@JeroenHulscher-k1f]

i still think there is no reason to leave a key, even the once you guys listed i wouldnt have to time to actually log off my char would just stand there on the roof

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya for sure

[@AlicenW0nd3rland]

I feel hurt that you called me an idiot for not inspecting the other players in M+ =P lol jk. Personally, when I join keys, I generally don't look at others gear or inspect their specc because regardless of what they are running, I just join keys with the mentality of having to carry someone. I enjoy going into dungeons with this mentality because its obvious when I am carrying someone or being carried and its fun that way. If a key dies, I take it as I wasn't able to successfully carry the group, think about how I could have carried better, move on. if I am the one being carried, I always thank the group for carrying me and apologize for bad play. Again review and learn from what I did wrong, move on.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@AlicenW0nd3rland great perspective honestly.

[@alexanderfullard4107]

Whilst I agree with what you say there’s not a chance you can solo a 10 key

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Uhh what? What makes you think I can't?

[@dribbler90]

Only watched a minute so far but the english bloaks audio could be louder. You could turn yours up a bit as well Metro. I've cranked up my settings to max but volume still rather low. That's my input. Thanks.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

bit late now haha but thanks!

[@trancer03]

People dont know how the dungeons work. The amount of times on low keys i seen people clearly not knowing boss mechanics.. You are saying everyone should know by now... But they really don't. It often takes 3 pulls on a boss with lots of explanation before people start to do the Boss mechanics. And that's asuming they stay long enough. I can even list you the exact bosses and mechanics that people are usually failing because they dont know. It's because there are constantly new people reaching gear progression cap (619) that go into m+ for gilded crests.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

What does that have to do with this?

[@trancer03]

​​​​​@@heythereguysitsMetroat 3 minutes you said. it was a joke mode key. A 10, 9 weeks into the season everyone knows how to do this key... Well they don't. that's the point. People are clueless as hell and that's one the main reasons they are leaving. They rather leave than admit they are clueless Heck go look up the percentage of people that finished a 10. It's not as many as you think. There are in fact plenty people just barely stepping into m+ gilded crests content (8+ keys) now after hitting a gear progression wall

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@trancer03 Yes and that is not at all what is happening here.

[@trancer03]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I think it's a psychological problem you increasingly see popping up in every aspect of society where people have zero dedication, have a aversion and give up at the smallest setback, have zero patience. Pretty much sums up a lott of young people these days. Blizzard can implement some sort of punishment for it but i dont know if it will ever be enough.

[@leooliveira4552]

If anything we should be praising a 597 healer for a no death run up to that point. People are so arrogant it's actually insane. I wish we had a completion system in which you can't upgrade or deplete your key if you opt in. Maybe set a time limit, say 2-3 times the regular timer, in which people can't actually leave party unless a voting takes place. Would help high end groups with practicing a specific key while also helping lower end groups who just want their weekly done. It's far from perfect but i feel like it would help to steer away at least some of these toxic individuals.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Right, to think its anything other than impressive is strange behavior all around. And to say roughly that "I don't care how skilled you are, 597 is too low" is just saying you have no idea what you are talking about.

[@theinz89]

All this talk about gear lmao... I know 5s are tiny keys but did one on an alt and invited a 565 tank... Still triple chested the key lolol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya anything sub 7 is insanely easy at this point. To even mention a five at all is insulting. He could get better gear from delves.

[@prod.bygygahurts304]

LETS GOOOOO, for the algorithm 💪

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Gonna be a wild one!

[@prod.bygygahurts304]

@@heythereguysitsMetro7 minutes in and damn you werent kidding lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@prod.bygygahurts304 It gets way way worse haha

[@karocify]

Broooo I’m listening while I work. Then conversation then went to item level like that was the reason for the depletion?!!?!?!,. Is the wow community ok!?!

[@terdroblade]

The Chris guy is either a 12yo or a fully grown man with a brain of a 12yo.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

A couple people that seem like they have a learning disability about for sure. I always struggle to believe kids play this game sadly.

[@reaporz9045]

Hello noob here still doing 6’s and 7’s for keystone master 👋

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Just don't be telling people they need to join ya!

[@reaporz9045]

@ I’m gonna start pushing 10’s and above for score and myth track gear. Hope all went well with the doctors.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@reaporz9045 thanks, so far so good!

[@alexanderadams9008]

Harry is the goat

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I heard that was Jon Jones.

[@westloves]

I will admit, your channel has made me rethink key quitting. I don’t do it myself but I it also doesn’t really bother me when people leave . I guess I’ve just gotten used to it and that actually sucks. Also, we run our guild healer alts at 589 ilvl through 10s all the time, no problem.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yup, that's the exact issue. You have gotten used to it, and we as a community need to fight back against that being normal.

[@westloves]

@ I agree 💯, I really can’t understand why someone would leave a key, I think there should be a penalty built in.

[@danielgpmarques]

I love your channel and your content, but one thing rattled me more then this idiots leaving keys - its the fact that its "Boralus" not "Bolarus". There i made it all better!! Ps: keep exposing them man, we all need a m+ Batman at this point.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Thanks haha!

[@motivatedpeon]

Frigg the Meta route. I had some pretty creative routes through dungeons and got some grief for "not taking the right route". All the people who stayed for the trip were actually very surprised about how smooth and fast everything went. Everyone just playing the role, not adding trash randomly or jumping into suicide. Were these the fastest keys? Maybe not. Were they timed? Very well. Were the runs enjoyable? Very much.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya man well said

[@Levvyy]

dark mode please. But good video! glad someone calling people out in m+

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Thanks!

[@goose6972]

Hey metro, great watch. Personally, id like to have seen harry have a bit more room to talk. Looking forward to the next one

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's funny I wanted him to take the lead but once I realized he was not going to be able to read all this it kinda took a turn where I couldn't help but comment on everything I was reading.

[@cmac972]

Is there an issue with the audio? metro's voice popping out towards the start of the video

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, sadly. Not sure whats been going on with rtxvoice. Sorry, hope its still watchable!

[@AmandaPelland]

Ya, it's popping for me too. Good to check and it's not your or my speakers.

[@cmac972]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yeah it's absolutely watchable.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@AmandaPelland ya something to do with RTXvoice that has been happening for a while now while recording certain programs. No clue why, never thought it would be an issue due to other podcast episodes being fine.

[@0h7even]

When I join a pug +10 Dawn as either a dps or a healer, I automatically know where to fly after first boss because it's the same place I've flown the past 20 times with various tanks after first boss. You don't have to call it the "meta" route, but it is the "standard" route or "farm" route. It's easy, and it's repeatable. The only keys I've done where the party has struggled are those where the tank decides to deviate from that standard/farm route and swim against the current. Tank deviations feel like reprog and often come with wipes while the party unnecessarily tries to adapt to their spin off. Some people don't want a headache farming a key. And a tank not communicating their deviation is the quickest way to have pugs not trust them.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Then they should stop pugging if they only want to do something the way they have done it.

[@0h7even]

@@heythereguysitsMetro there wouldn't be pugs then lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@0h7even You may be surprised how many people dislike this behavior. You are not in the majority, even though you think you are. Welcome to the channel!

[@ThomasBachler01]

Are you talking about the terrible side entrance pull after the 1st boss?

[@emordgren]

Heavily disagree with the base comment here. If you care about the route (which you should if you’re trying to perform as DPS), you really should ask the tank for the intended route before the key starts. Not asking for the route beforehand essentially means you agree to follow the tank. That doesn’t mean that the tank should make overly complicated or suicidal pulls, but that wasn’t the case here.

[@joeltorres2255]

Name of this player?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Shown in the video that's pinned.

[@Bensiano96]

Damn thought my message would be on this video lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Nope yours was amazing compared to some of these.

[@WoWTankDiva]

Sometimes it is better when they leave. I found myself in a key, the dps warrior didn’t like we are not running an MDI style GB and sabotaged the entire run, died on every pull, failed every one shot mechanic. Bated stuff in the middle of the room for 1sr and 2nd boss, and would not kill spawns on 3rd boss, and wouldn’t take the rez. He just sat there and made fun of the group. It was his key and at one point he disband the group and blocked everyone. Btw he was 630 il and it was an 8 key.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@WoWTankDiva that's the kind of run you should record and send in for review!

[@WoWTankDiva]

Oh and we had 596 frost DK and he was doing fine, we would have timed and 2chested it if was not for this warrior troll.

[@WoWTankDiva]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I tried but it lags out my computer. Not sure how to avoid it.

[@WoWTankDiva]

But I did what you did, went on his io to see if he had twitch or something to see if he records, but he didn’t:(

[@GatchaGamba]

Heyo, I joined the discord :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

got you set up!