We Watch Tilt Destroy His Mental for Mythic+ Pugging in Real Time

[@maugst.2523]

You know what's even funnier tho ? I am French and at 15:35 the warrior being very sarcastic has a literal insult-translating Username as "ball buster" in English! ("Brise=buster Couille=nuts") I laughed.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh that's funny!

[@daketh4572]

My friend and i are a tank healer duo and most of our comments are, dps arent ccing and interrupting again

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Right, and you see how that can create that "us vs them" mentality that would be detrimental to a pug group right?

[@flashyhooves1710]

@@heythereguysitsMetro You play an M+ dungeon. You play that dungeon together with the same goal. I do not understand how you get into PvE in the same team get something like being against one of your teammates.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@flashyhooves1710 it's all an ego thing sadly. That's pretty much exactly what I'm trying to explain in the video.

[@SammyBammy813]

Same here. And we spend a lot of time testing routes, checking how the routes play in mythic0 or heroic, so when a DPS questions our routes is extremely distracting and frustrating while trying to execute a key well as a tank (me) and the healer (my friend) planning our CDs with the route. Rarely has been an issue in 10+ but occasionally get this

[@Xanthem420promotes]

So my pocket healer and I actually have a sort of reservancy for joining into random pugs together for this exact reason tbh. Cause it's very very true with tank/healer duos (in my experience). We run together. We flow together. USUALLY it's with a group from our guild. We have routes and pulls and special things we do in thos groups that, when we pug, we sometimes are brutally reminded of "this stuff is not pug friendly" even tho it feels so normal to us. This sort of "run style difference" is very effective AGAINST pug groups as with the toxic nature of the m+ scene it tends to develop hard feelings/questions of "well this is normal/standard to me why do you find it so difilficult?". If we do pug it's farm runs that are lower than our push lvl and we know of we forget somewhere along the way or get carried away we will be able to carry it to victory IF IF IF IF the pug group can't do it. And please note this is not to say anyone is or isn't bad/good, or analyze/attack peoples different skill lvl etc etc...it's just to point out how sometimes we as a duo can go about the run just doing our normal thing completely forgetful of the fact that it won't be everyone's "standard"

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Xanthem420promotes respect for having understanding of all that!

[@nymphia21]

I usually do completely outrageous things in groups with people i know, because my guild is mostly casual, so they don't really care too much, it gives me the freedom to experiment without being berated for a wipe

[@flyingraijin5867]

pugs are really can be a phd thesis subject for sociology students

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I love looking at things from this standpoint.

[@981407036x]

lol tbh the first warrior was backseating and i wud get annoyed too but for the 2nd dungeon, for the monk to say "you cant invite these ppl" Yeah.. like somehow you would have the foresight when you see a name sign up for your key... what does he honestly expect?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@981407036x ya they are just overly frustrated, clearly. Lot of stupid things being said here by then both.

[@kevinpedersen5290]

When I tank keys I usually spend the first few pulls figuring out the groups limits. And that usually pays off because you identify potential mechanics that people have issues with, or other problems that there might be with the group comp etc. You know what I mean. But after identifying how the pug is behaving and the way they are pulling, I do the rest of the dungeon with that information in the back of my mind. Because if the group struggles with certain pulls, there is no point doing that 1 route you learned from a streamer. you gotta adapt to the groups capabilities.

[@Netherstrasz]

That’s the best way to do it. Feel out the group and that lets you set the pace of how you do the pulls at the right level

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@kevinpedersen5290 what about this key brought that up?

[@Vulvv]

Completly agree, a dungeon like stonevault first pull tells me everything i need to know about the group( interrupts, healing dps)

[@Taedas123]

My healer friend and I often queue into groups but we don't flame people in chat. It's just a good way to tilt them or get them to leave the group. I actually choose to be really positive because it actually helps you time keys more often --- wild I know.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Glad to hear.

[@user-jy8hz5tm1u]

When players start attacking or questioning each other's very existence, it often leads to tilting, which drastically lowers their motivation to perform well in the game. I see this as a "mental boom," and it frequently results in significantly worse performance during a key.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@user-jy8hz5tm1u absolutely.

[@frededy4]

5:40 "juvenile affirmation" is so absolutely perfect description oh the behavior and thought process. 10/10 stealing that like a juvenile.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha I'm sure I stole it from somewhere anyway.

[@adamborsay7227]

Farming a ten I would take them again. They are capable of two chesting so they are a safe bet. I would feel that the warrior in the first key was more in the wrong. As a dps pug king I am always starved for decent healers and tanks. Unless they do something egregious I roll with what they want and don’t complain.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Gotcha so it's more that you would feel like you are stuck with them then? Because the warning signs are super clear

[@adamborsay7227]

Watching the second key the tanking route was a hot mess. But I honestly would not have been able to predict that after the first key from my experience. Pugging GB is a hot mess often. The whole area between the 2nd and 3rd boss is where pugs go to die. It’s either a hot mess on first pull with dragon or the post second boss area.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@adamborsay7227 I guess I'm just surprised to hear you don't find the guy arguing and commenting like that in the first key, combined with it being a duo and not needing the key for score, as an issue. The warrior back seating like that was super stupid by the demon hunters reaction was way way worse for me than anything else.

[@nucleartickz]

safe bet? ive seen alt keys destroyed by us doing silly mistakes and having 2700 io. what happened to our score? god knows but that day we all were having an off day. These 2 are by no means a safe bet. whoever types in chat is not really focusing on key, he is def not a safe bet , and he has a back up hooligan with him. even worse, your key could even end in less than a 1 min since its the tank/healing duo. even if you have 3k score, a 10 can still make a man out of you. ( wish at this time to have bolstering back to bring down all those egos :p )There is no safe bet in mythic +

[@adamborsay7227]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I am not a fan of the behavior. But decent tanks and healers are so hard for me to find. I am a solo pug pushing 13s so if I have someone who has shown they CAN do it I am a lot more likely to overlook annoyances. He was super toxic in the second key. But I thought the first key was started by the warrior so I would have given him a pass thinking it was more the warrior backseating unnecessarily than the dh being toxic. But he had some questionable pulls in the second key and instigated the toxicity.

[@gabriela.bc2014]

This is an interesting one. Performance wise, the duo did fine, taking them for a second time is something I can understand. But personally, when it comes to pugging, two things I hate the most: 1. Backseating (tank main here, I’m sure that explains it); 2. People who type mid pull. So no, I’d not take neither the tank nor the warrior. People who would rather bicker the entire run instead of playing the game pisses me off more than it should. So my advice for people who don’t have much choice when inviting tanks/healers: log off and try again in an hour or two. The roles may be scarce, but there isn’t only one person playing them.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya well said. I agree entirely.

[@johnlinks]

Do not backseat. If you want to backseat, then play a tank and you can dictate however the run is done

[@zfeazcesd1047]

the 'funny little death' at 11:30 was because there was literally nothing on his screen telling him the umbral wind was coming and his camera was positioned so he couldn't see any cast bars. it makes dpsing so much easier when you can tunnel vision your rotation while playing 'simon says' with your addons, but if the addon fails to tell you something big is coming you can look really silly. btw, just started a couple weeks ago and first time on this channel, i have DBM, but is there any other sort of packaged weak auras or dungeon addon that you could recommend?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@zfeazcesd1047 no, only thing I for sure recommend is plater. The addon is basically a better dbm at this point.

[@SammyBammy813]

I switched from DBM to BigWigs/LittleWigs because I find the trash mob alerts to be much better than DBMs, and the boss alerts equivalent between both addons

[@Slamdoxicalz]

kudo's to the streamer's affix handling/bear use

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, impressive use of the entire kit.

[@xolopuppy]

Hey Metro, where can I send you a video? I can't find the info about it. Thanks in advance!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You can email it to me at [e-mail]

[@Deadscheme]

I'm always happy when M+ pug video drops. Happy New year Metro

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Thanks happy new year! Pretty deep in now haha

[@0h7even]

I can almost guarantee that 2900 MW doesn’t know what spear hand strike is

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Why's that

[@musicxmp3533]

Playing on alts the 8-10 range is a pretty difficult to build groups and actually succeed. You often end up with people who need the key, but don't know a lot of the mechanics, constantly walk into trash and pull random mobs by accident or don't interrupt and stop casts, they won't leave as easily but I had people walk out on me after 1 wipe who needed the key and just said "it's too hard for us" after completely misplaying Skarmorak before walking out. Then on the other end of the spectrum you have crest farmers with 3k score who leave after a single mistake or keep pulling more mobs while the tank and heal are already struggling. I still do it though because I personally don't mind spending 50 minutes to finish a +8 key with people who are still learning and trying to help them finish their keys and it's pretty wholesome how happy some of them are if you stick around. Playing on alts really opened my eyes though for how often the stuff you share in your videos happens though, in every 2nd or 3rd key someone just quits before the end. And no - wouldn't have taken them a 2nd time. I make sure I use the "I Remember You" addon to mark players who left or were not very nice.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well hope it gets better haha

[@viper6741]

I'm playing first season of wow. Now we with some irl friends have completed all 11s and trying to progress to 12s. And after few 12s we decided to invite only people who need the key. Especially this is valid for tanks who in case if key is not needed do crazy pulls and leaves after single wipe

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hope it's going well for you.

[@viper6741]

@heythereguysitsMetro yeah. Today was successful day. We brought 2 players in lfg who didn't have 12s either and managed to time with them 12 arakara. Then proposed them to run 12 mists together and timed it as well. The point you made in the video about not bringing reasonably higher io players in pugs is completely true. Some of them (not everybody) are considering themselves superior and acting in the key accordingly. Meanwhile similar io players might make more mistakes but they likely behave more adequate and treat group as well as a run more seriously.

[@viper6741]

@heythereguysitsMetro by the way thank you for the content. It is really knowledgable and especially entertaining

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@viper6741 Glad you enjoy it!

[@miifed]

When outside of running with our core group it is often just a myself as the tank and the same healer I always play with. Typically we are just farming 10s for vault, but we typically run our own keys. On the rare occasion that we join someone else's key you need to be thought and remember to take a little extra caution. This is on the DH tank if you ask me. As a tank / healer duo you can cover up a lot of mistakes others make by limiting the circumstances for them to happen. Not all duos are toxic, but this one sure was.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya not all obviously. It's just more likely to happen as they form a little clique instead of the already small group and will support each other privately when public things happen.

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

Would you invite them a second time. The answer is yes because no other tank or healer will sign up for a while. But i would of done it as a 11.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya? Even at ten? I'm shocked to hear that vault level keys don't have a lot of players.

[@bbbbb8191]

I agree with you that ractions on both ends were childish but in the pug lense it was pretty chill, I've seen tanks and healers immediately drop the key for something as silly as someone typing "xd" when something extra gets pulled or doesn't go as expected.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it could have been worse for sure.

[@bbbbb8191]

@@heythereguysitsMetro The warrior on the second dungeon was just taking the piss too imo. It is rude to be that bad and applying to keys you know you're not able to do instead of doing the natural prog. He either should be doing 6-7s where he won't die to standing on swirls or focus up and man up to his mistakes and either type a short "srry im trying my best" or something to let the others know hes not just straight up griefing the key on purpose out of spite for wathever reason. Pretty sure if that would have happened the DH wouldn't have reacted like a child too and left the key.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@bbbbb8191 eh that's a stretch. The guy is more than qualified for this key. Might just be having a bad key. Outside of the swirl most of his deaths can be looked at as contributed to by the tank. Two of which are simply due to threat. Maybe the third one too we show, I can't tell how he dies there.

[@bbbbb8191]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yeah could be, but all his deaths were avoidable. Him charging to the boss when the tank is kiting it backwards away from the middle pack with the golem is on him too in my eyes. From what I can see in the video all his deaths were his fault. It looks to me he got tilted and just stopped caring. I wouldn't give him a free pass, but who knows, maybe he was trying his best.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@bbbbb8191 oh ya you are misreading this for sure. The dude has every one of his deaths commented on by the tank and puts up with it for all this time. He plays poorly, and his deaths are avoidable. But the demon hunter causes all of these problems to be far far worse.

[@SirWallen]

The tank is a toxic player, but as a healer, watching DPS die to that swirly / infestation on boss #2 in araka is extremely frustrating. Players need to get out of that much quicker as you are taking ticking damage before the swirly even drops. Other than that, these two have low mental even at or close to 3k io.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya obviously dps should not be standing in those bugs.

[@MikeyJ28]

Tank and healer duo.. that would have been my first sign 😅

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya not happening for me but I always play one of those so maybe I'm not the right person to ask haha

[@Netherstrasz]

When I saw the second key was Grim Batol I knew this was going to be good. I definitely would have just formed a new group and take a roll of the Pug Dice

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Netherstrasz ya without these guys, you mean? I can't see myself ever wanting to play with them again.

[@Netherstrasz]

@ Yeah without them. Had to edit my comment because of a typo. Ironically my baby key runs have players with better execution and attitudes than this disaster. Pretty funny

[@Helgruim]

I main healer and pug primarily (3k score s1) and I can tell you right now that the warrior is an idiot. They should not have re invited that tank however the group leader needs to try and address the situation before it gets that far. A vast majority of dps players don't think very hard and like to go in blow all their CDS while tank is gathering and has no threat then die and talk trash which was a issue for that warrior several times. When you are pugging you have to treat every other person like they are toddlers and life gets a lot easier. I tend to "mommy" groups as the healer regardless if I am lead by de-escalating these types of scenarios. Some easy ways to do this: Just say take responsibility (regardless of fault), make jokes and don't rage. As gamers I think we tend to forget that emotions and intent does not come through when we are typing/texting so it's easy for non-issue comments to be taken too far. Healing and tanking is significantly more stressful then dpsing so as a community we should do our best to treat our tanks and healers better so they keep queueing not fight with them over little things it's not worth it in the end and if some keys get bricked oh well there is always next key. :)

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Helgruim well addressing it seems to just make the player even more mad. The warrior was an idiot for sure but the demon hunter is way out of line and is going to ruin a lot of keys with this attitude. The only question is whether it's because of the first dungeon tilting him or if he is just a really juvenile personality all the time.

[@Helgruim]

@@heythereguysitsMetroMind you I say this while agreeing with majority of what you said especially with reinviting the DH and Monk. I like your videos and i think you have some good observations just wanted to add my two cents more for the druid and how the community can deal with pugging issues and different perspectives IE tanks/healers. This situation I think it could have been addressed in the first key when initially tempers flared but when you let it fester (the bridge/2nd boss) for almost 2 full keys this result was inevitable. I duo with a tank and he can be grumpy at times (mostly due to stress of tanking) similarly to how the DH was but I would have made fun of my tank for typing and dying like a dummy in party chat but i would also tease the warriors but keep things light hearted. Everyone has moments immaturity including myself especially in-game. I think it's good to remember with the wow community as a whole that tanks have a lot of responsibility so as a whole we shouldn't be giving them grief especially about dumb things like the bridge pull or how they do boss strats. I won't say nobody has juvenile personalities but in my experience the DH didn't care about the boss comments then when he died typing on the bridge most likely felt embarrassed which adds to stress because tanks staying alive is their primary function at a key and nobody likes to fail. The warrior started running it down on the 2nd boss for whatever reason was the down spiral it felt like to me. This might be kind of "meta" observation but they also went from ara-kara which is generally the easiest key into grim batol which is the hardest and both the DH monk and druid don't have a lot of 10's experience while not being super geared. So knowing the DH was tilted from the previous key then following it up with the hardest key that smashes tanks was 100% a key factor in them not doing completing the grim batol. The shaman not lusting and dying on first pull and the warrior popping cds on 2nd boss before tank has even hit the boss are bad mistakes as dps and are extremely frustrating. I think the DH behavior was within normal realms of frustration because a lot of dps play that way and if you have players dying because of threat or not doing mechanics then typing to you it makes you want to rage. This season especially threat is difficult for tanks so having dps who have high burst IE WARRIORS need to learn to chill for a few seconds so the tank can get aggro on everything. Tanks and Healers essentially have to be responsible for 90% of what goes on in a key so having repeat deaths from dps can be extra frustrating. Typing while frustrated is not always the answer and the DH was obviously upset but he wasn't cussing or name calling he was pointing out flaws in their gameplay which leads me to believe he wasn't trying to be a bad guy (i've seen some people pop off with language). The key was bricked at that point and he choose to leave which happens more often the higher up in keys you go. Part of me wonders if he thought it was the same warrior from the first key even though it wasn't accelerating the frustration potentially. The struggle is real while pugging and finding ways to be a peace keeper in pugs is a great asset to have because we all run into this kind of behavior. It's good to see we all have these universal experiences in game and I wouldn't bag on people being duo because having a tank and a healer that are potentially in-voice and communicating is NOT a bad thing when trying to complete difficult content.

[@marcdavey1009]

Warr 1st key got multiple stacks of the infestation from being in circle too long then he got multiple again, as a healer that is hard to heal thru it was def the warrs fault all those times

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Correct.

[@Millennium2696]

Even when you're gathering a pull as a tank, you should always at least hit it with something. Some tanks even lose aggro to healers from not hitting the mobs at all, just running past them to gather. 'I'm combining a pull' is not a valid excuse for that tbh.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Millennium2696 ya I agree. The warrior is doing full rotation on the enemy though so he will likely pull off him no matter what. I have had this happen many times myself. Rune weapon and blood boils and people still pull while I am gathering.

[@FadedKai]

The death of tanks in mythics is real so no way you aren’t going to take them again especially when all this started by the warrior mouthing off and wasn’t even playing that good. Metro you should play dps sometime off stream if you think ppl shouldn’t take them.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Id rather just not play the game brother. People like this make me want to log off. So no offense but don't pretend you know me if you think me playing dps would help me understand that.

[@RandomChicken313]

This season I have not timed any keys with any dh, tank or dps. A lot have been pretty toxic and high ego

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@RandomChicken313 not at all? That's crazy haha

[@adamborsay7227]

Maybe they are still salty from the nerfs coming out of DF lol

[@armormaster88]

@adamborsay7227 i mean dh is the only f ranked m+ spec in the game and only were good in the last two seasons (even then overshadowed by ret ect) so kind low blow we see why you side with the toxic combo. jsut a class people like to riff on bc its a trendy thing to do and wow gamers cant think past wowhead

[@cvilla1944]

I find that I get really toxic in comms when i duo queue too. I just vocalize those little annoyances that run through everyones head during a key when I play with friends. You're absolutley right that in comms people just feed on eachother. I never bring that energy into game chat, but it is a problem that I've noticed I have. I mostly pug.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya sadly you aren't alone. Been through it many times myself too. Used to play with guildies who knew nothing about mythic plus but would immediately blame the one or two pugs every time. Super weird behavior.

[@cvilla1944]

@heythereguysitsMetro i think a study on it would be very interesting

[@el3ctros]

you said he never has threat on that group for first pull of GB but he did drop a flame sigil after the silence sigil. looks like it might have only hit 2/3 mobs though.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@el3ctros correct ya he must miss the one entirely.

[@ThomasBachler01]

The monk has figured it out. If you have a toxic friend, then the issue is not him being toxic but the issue is people being invited that mess up. Just invite players that don't mess up and he doesn't have to be toxic. Toxic behavior forever solved.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@ThomasBachler01 hahahaha ya how insane is that

[@MrAlathiel]

the reason why their scores showed 2.5k and 2.4k or so is that this run is old, from dec. 19 and that was simply their score on that day. the score you see in the signup screen isn't actually from raiderio, it's the real ingame score and it's always up to date. the addon being out of date wouldn't influence that at all. only when you hover over the player and look at the raiderio tooltip, that's when you could see outdated addon information about their key levels.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Okay well I'm confused then. If that wasn't their score then, then why did they accurately say their score today

[@MrAlathiel]

@@heythereguysitsMetro they likely meant their main characters

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hmm ya okay maybe. The monk doesn't have a main linked but I guess it's there somewhere maybe?

[@MrAlathiel]

@@heythereguysitsMetro either he doesn't have a raiderio account and/or his main is not linked, or the monk is marked as his main with a lower score than one of his other characters, for some reason. but probably the former. but yeah, raiderio logs all the runs and you can look at every run before the ara'kara run to see what their highest run for each dungeon was back then. the dh tank had about 7s-10s in all the dungeons.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Gotcha. I just assumed this was recently since it was just submitted. My fault there for sure.

[@maxcrow9683]

Higher io players without a steady group will apply to 10s to fill their vault. The tanks reaction was toxic, but like, you'd expect people to at least know mechanics and have their eyeball add on fully updated. Also, when the warrior kept dying on 2nd boss AK he definitely didn't press his defensives. The person who submitted the video doesn't use omni cd so it's hard to tell, but you don't die that fast in a 10 with defensives up. The dude who submitted seemed super chill and the exact type of person people love to do keys with.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Saying he didn't use his defensives is like saying he didn't have his seat belt on while drunk driving. Way bigger issues there lol. Standing in that mechanic is not something you should expect to be doing.

[@vixfwis]

Generally speaking, I only priority-invite previous party members if they were doing great previous key. Shit-talking in chat is not it I don't see any problems with inviting duos. In my experience, they're either very bad or very good. Although, I'm healer/tank player, so I don't run my key often. When I go as duo, of course I'm going to prioritize a person I know vs random pug. I don't think it's a bad thing as is. With pugs, it's sometimes "you vs them" anyway, trying to win against all odds. Having a reliable player helps a lot

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Gotcha, ya I look at the idea that you might prioritize some one inherently detrimental to the pug environment. You almost HAVE to submit and just let the wildness wash over you equally, but when people are together they resist it and talk about resisting it with their buddy, often times. And this leads to the situation you see here. Where two guys are basically holding up the entire key with their attitudes.

[@benji9465]

I dont invite duos. Ever. Its a recipe for disaster.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@benji9465 agreed.

[@Netherstrasz]

@@benji9465 Without a doubt

[@Bambaboozled]

Sometimes it really does seem like warriors, monks, and demon hunters all seem to respectively attract the same type of people.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Haha maybe that's why warrior and demon hunters are moral enemies!

[@markurixjones1820]

i wouldnt have invited the warrior and the demonhunter again after the first one

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, warrior is gone, but I certainly wouldn't want him again haha

[@Ougagagoubou]

I play tanks and healers. In first round, if I'm healer, I come off of the run thinking warrior is the dumbass. I understand the egoistic comeback from DH, it sucks when someone with less understanding starts flaming you. And warrior dying twice on boss, I assume he sat in the whirl the entire time while having dot on. Could healer salvage situation, possibly, but that's not trolling from healer when someone just dies in

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Problem is this is more than just a "comeback" and "getting mad." This is total tilt. The guy is dying over typing about nothing. The warrior said one stupid thing and it impacts the demon hunter for far too long. Dude is a liability and there is no real reason to defend that behavior.

[@adamborsay7227]

Love the channel. Only commenting because I have never been first.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Congrats haha

[@eternalfoxsage7208]

11:35 warrior got knocked into the middle and fell to his death.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

hahahah great catch, didn't notice that at first.

[@Frontsnorri]

I mean I’m a 3.2k player and after reset my mates and I jump in peoples keys to fill out vaults and then start pushing again for the week. Could be that, could also be like us, a lot of my friends were away for the holidays so we’ve been casual pugging.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

What's your point here, sorry?

[@Frontsnorri]

@@heythereguysitsMetro you literally said you do not know why someone with their IO is signing up to a farm key, well, here is a reason. We sign up to farm keys for vault, probably what they're doing

[@tbuksuperfly]

@@Frontsnorri 100% I do the same. Never know whether my friends are playing or not lately, so I'll often just do a bunch of 10s to fill my vault on my chars and then push keys when the guys are online.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Frontsnorri Did I? I might have misspoken then sorry. Obviously I am aware that people do 10s for their vaults lol But since you brought it up, why bother doing them first? You don't regularly finish 8 keys at your progression range through out the week?

[@theduncanthetank]

I totally run a tank and healer duo but I promise you: it’s because he knows I’m going to cleanse/mitigate so he can keep the pugs alive. I totally get your point though

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, its just not worth the gamble. Too much power in one group's hands there.

[@zizthesin]

Ive played with this monk, dh duo. The dh tilted out on our party when he tried to double pull the pack with the two big mobs before the third boss and we wiped after the monk failed to heal us through defensives.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You mean the pack they wipe on here in grim batol? That doesn't surprise me. These people are just like this in a vacuum.

[@zizthesin]

@heythereguysitsMetro oh shit i had to stop the video before my break is over. I cant wait to finish this now! Looool

[@typicalzergling9955]

I might have hesitated a bit, but probably would have invited them...they did just +2 that ara kara, and the pulls there weren't crazy. That's good information compared to others they may have gotten from LFG. So I can understand why he invited them back. As a DPS waiting for tanks & healers, you have a known quantity of a decently competent pair that just +2'd your key...OR you can take your chances with someone else who hasn't just done that with you. What is the greater risk? Impossible to say, but they are a known quantity and the history was that of success, so sure, invite.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

That's wild to me. I would NEVER look at a player with that sort of attitude as a decent player, no matter what they demonstrated to me. The key ONLY succeeded because it was so easy and the first warrior shut up. If he did what the second warrior did, that first key ends the exact same way as the second. So the greatest risk is inviting them again for sure, knowing this dude is already tilted and has no control over his emotions.

[@typicalzergling9955]

@@heythereguysitsMetro fair point, I tihnk it's a toss-up for me personally, just because I've seen so many bad players at that key level filling vault on alts or what not and if you need the key timed, you could do worse than them, sadly.

[@markurixjones1820]

this is just so typical and common, both demonhunter and warrior doing alot of mistakes/poor play but both unable to let it go bcs of ego or whatever and it leading to more msitakes and poor play

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya well to be fair the warrior did swallow it for pretty long. I think he handled it pretty well all things considered. This type of situation is the blueprint for me to leave a key btw. If some one is constantly harping on what I'm doing then I'm not going to continue playing.

[@bchrisn]

No, they are pug killers that float around, do a ridiculous pull, then leave. Maybe it works in statics and high keys but not in pugs. They want to flame someone, so they pull in a way that's dangerous and then flame the first person that fails their silly skill check. They even complain when they time a key. Just toxic but don't care because they look down people with less score but aren't willing to push appropriate keys themselves. I've seen this recently but it's probably common in the past. If you survive it, they usually complain anyway if the key isn't a +2 because why not add more requirements to success than simply winning.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I think that's a bit too far for this situation but in general I agree. Players like this are pug killers and should be avoided.

[@ammertos1517]

not inviting tank/healer duos is hard to do. I rather take a shot on them than waiting for hours to for a tank or healer. More important was the lesson to never invite warriors :-) They really seem to be on Ret/Hunter level.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

No, that's BS. Warriors are fine, these guys are morons. If you think its gonna take hours to find another tank, I can't understand that. Surely there are plenty of people doing 10s given the vault and all.

[@kokosel96]

Defending the warrior is wild😆

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

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[@alexanderadams9008]

the duo is almost 3k the warrior does not need to say anything during the key.. also no need to insult someone after a key, I would invite them back and I would just sack up and say “hey sorry for the backseat tanking, I shouldn’t have said anything, thanks for the help though let’s smash this key”

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I was just talking about you as the druid who almost had your key ruined by them last time. You'd be fine inviting them again?

[@armormaster88]

if you somhow looked at that and thought "yeah this tank and healer that die as much as a dps are power gamers that are entitled to be assholes bc a score thats ez to cheese matters more then observable actions" then lord help this playerbass pretty sure its worse then lol or rusts at this point

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@armormaster88 ya I'm really shocked to see many comments here actually side with the demon hunter here. I really do worry for the future of wow.

[@MrVaeron]

I also start leaving groups this late in the season. Just lots of people "rerolling" out or better trying to Tanking, which is fine, but you should not start with +10s... and when i see that, im now leaving most of the time, cause i dont really want to farm rep costs and wasting consumables for people not realizing, that a +10 is not a "training" key. I had a DH the other day, that really wanted to pull big at the start of NW, which is fine by me, but not if you are dead in 2 seconds while im funneling into you. And then in 3s and then in 2.5s and again in 4s, when he finally realized, we were already 20 death into it, all cause he just could not take it... And dont even get me talking about that Prot P and the BDK in GB, were we farmed over 30 death in both runs because of several horrible mistakes during pulling and tanking (like getting killed by Throngus twice and accidentially pulling a trash group with Shield... So yeah, i insta leave when the Tank is not experienced enough on 10 or higher most of the time.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Have you considered leaving pugging instead so you aren't ruining other people's time?

[@MrVaeron]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro Well, by leaving i mean, that i just quit before the key even starts after taking a closer look at the Tanks Rio (which is often masked by higher DPS rating.) I think the only one wasting time is groups of 2-3, that "mask" their tanks non existent Tank RIO. Again, i have nothing against people rerolling to Tanks, but why do they have to start in a +10, when they are clearly not ready for it? If a tanks dies while im doing 1,5 mio HPS only healing him with everything i have, also giving him 10% DR, than surely I cant be blamed for that.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@MrVaeron Well unless you have footage I can't comment on this. I do not imagine this is happening regularly enough for you to be commenting like this though honestly. I review a lot of keys, and I have not seen many players rerolling in them. But ya, as long as you aren't leaving keys in the middle of the run we have no qualms here. Still, it sounds like stopping pugging would be in your interest.

[@MrVaeron]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro Tbh, i havent had a lot of that bad experiences while pugging all this season on my 2 healers, at least way less than i expected. Yeah, the occasional bad key here and there. But in the ~80 keys i pugged, i had maybe 5 leaver and a few more really toxic people. This Tank issue is more of a thing i ran into in the last 2 weeks really. I think with holidays, end of season etc. tank/heal situation got even worse, so more people with good gear are trying out those roles. But yeah, maybe it was only a coincidence that it happend in 6 out of the 9 keys i did in the last week for the Crests and Vault, who knows.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@MrVaeron well either way if you see it again make sure you have it recorded and send it in! Happy to take a look.

[@CuddelzTV]

definitely would not take them I dont even view them as good players considering the DH died to typing multiple times, hes a tank with an ego.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Agreed.

[@bart4375]

Commenting for the algorithm: we want more of these!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@bart4375 more to come!

[@bojnebojnebojne]

I would not re-invite either the duo or the warrior no. Tank was right regarding the 1st pull after 1st boss in Ara-Kara, it is a super standard pull even when pugging and it is a time loss to pull them separately. The fact that the warrior was also right that the aura that mob has makes other mobs take less dmg is just not relevant to the effectiveness of that pull. You just simply priority target the big mob carrying the aura while sending kicks to the caster of that pull, it's not a big deal. Backseat gaming is infuriating especially considering that the tank has the most responsibility out of any of the roles in a group. I would also be annoyed at it, but i would just put the warrior on ignore between pulls and just do my thing knowing that what i do is good enough for the key level we are doing. Tank was right on the 2nd boss in Ara-Kara as well, the warrior did die the first time on that boss because he didn't use a defensive to mitigate the dot dmg. Not only because of that but he didn't do what he could've done to deal with the mechanic himself. As a dps you will die to that on 10+. As a Havoc DH main even i die to that at 632ilvl, even with all that passive magic mitigation our class have, if i don't use a defensive. But we are only human after all and we make mistakes. I kind of agree with the tank's assessment of Ara-Kara vs Grim Batol and the carry potential. You can carry Grim Batol if you had the other 2 Dps be somewhat competent with kicks, positioning and knowing what mobs are priority. Something they clearly did not judging form the first 2 pulls. I don't think the tank was out of touch when making that assessment. But if it were me tanking, i would just keep my mouth shut, not type at all and simply readjust my pull pattern to account for the obvious lesser skilled players. If we time it, good. If not? Well not much else to do then, if the dps cannot handle the pull size and forces you to pull less than desired to make the timer. But sure, we don't Need to pull the world in order to make the timer and pulling less mobs per pull leads to less deaths. I always find it interesting when people expect people whom they've never played with before, to know what is their preferred pull pattern and thinking that their way must be the gold standard. When it comes to duo's in LFG i also tend to stay away from it for the very reason you outlined in this video. Even when i also just do farm content on the 10s i prefer to help out people who actually need it. I rather take my chances on someone with a lower score who might actually need the key done for gear or for score or for portals, because they are more inclined to care about doing well and by proxy, less drama and friction.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya the problem here is the typing and the attitude. Saying things that may be factually true isn't really relevant here, because saying them at all is causing the group cohesion to dissolve.

[@bojnebojnebojne]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Oh yeah i totally agree. No point wasting time and energy on calling out bad plays or mistakes in a pug. Just a surefire way to antagonize someone and doesn't help at all. So i'm totally onboard with ya there

[@geertcrommentuijn]

Got to love those leavers…

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@geertcrommentuijn this one is a bit different than most but ya at the end of the day leaving is still a huge issue.

[@Jerry2011b]

Here is how I filter when I pug my key. Prot Warrior(+10 on their ilvl) because prot warrior is tanky as hell in this season. Once had a ilvl 600 alt prot warrior tanking a +8 GB without any issue whatsoever. Shadow Priest(-10 on their ilvl) because Spriest is pretty bad compare to other caster in this season and nobody really play that spec. I only invite duos if there's a carry indication, like a high ilvl/IO score player with a low ilvl/IO score player then you know that high ilvl/IO score player is not gonna leave the key because he's helping his friend with gearing or getting some IO scores. Azralon/Rag server will get immediately declined and it doesn't matter what their IO score are.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well it's good that you know what you are looking for!

[@lordshadow19]

I never take Azralon/Rag players unless it's a tank and healer and no other tanks or healers are applying.

[@inovakov7174]

I feel like in this video you are making *a lot* of assumptions about what's happening on some discord that we also assume exists. Your videos usually focus on what's actually happening on screen and I appreciate that. This one is somehow different with a ton of bias against queuing groups.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I think you have just not watched every video or something. We frequently talk about the psychology of pugging. This is not abnormal for this channel nor the recent uploads. I just discuss it more heavily here because it's clearly happening. What else would you say could contribute to this mental state of these players? I suppose it's possible they are just really wound tight and don't need any encouragement to be this way, but if that's true it's actually generous of us to assume what I'm assuming here haha

[@dracoknight9066]

Yeah I still take them. Healer PoV here: 10s are easy. If dps are competent it is really hard to brick them even if you make mistakes. There are only 2 redflags I have for tanks below 12 which are not knowing tank mechs, and not using defensives/kicks. 110% trash route and bad mob grouping are at most a bit of timer loss, but no more than 2-3 deaths worth, and if you miss +1 a 10 by 2-3 deaths at this point in season, your group was clearly not ready for 10s and should practice more 9s first. 1st dungeon was all on warrior. His deaths show that he is either not paying attention or inexperienced with 2nd boss, both of which are inexcusable if you're running a 10. At most I'd make route adjustment suggestion to tank after seeing % to get it closer to 100%, but with that timer it does not matter. 2nd dungeon, I write it off as deplete, complete for crests on 2nd pack. Dps going dps brain and dying to melee bcs they pulled threat is a major redflag since in my experience the same people tend to ignore "ground is lava" mechs bcs of their dps brain. Then 2nd pack is a great microcosm of rest of the dungeon - if people are dying to ground swirlies and lack of kicks, you're not timing the dungeon because trash mechs only get harder the further in you go. Especially with that comp - boomie kicks are trash so you're very reliant on other dps kicking perfectly.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Maybe I didn't make the point very clearly. This is just about a behavior and response standpoint. Do you feel like the response that demon hunter has to the warrior is acceptable? Would you make comments like he did under those circumstances then if you are blaming the warrior? I'm confused what your stance is on this because obviously the warrior plays bad and does dumb stuff but the demon hunters attitude is out of control. Surely you agree with that right?

[@armormaster88]

ah yes classic the dps are 100% of the issue and so nothing else matters...tank and healer were dropping like flys bud youve simply got a bias as a lot of healers that are low key looking for a carry have. typing mid pull and dyeing, not typing mid pull dyeing healer cant heal the tank and the tank cant keep his frailty stacks and spikes up? nah g some healers are jsut ego tripping and dont want to play other specs bc they hope if everone plays more perfic then they do they can time and the other 70% of runs you can just blame on others while doing 600khps with no dispels and 40% overhealing on yourself like half the healers i see parrot this dribble of wow head comment sections. its so old like if your such a goat why are you pugging and not in a standard team hmmmmm

[@madDjakni]

Honestly if I was pugging as dps I probably would have invited the tank/healer duo again unless I specifically had an issue with their performance. As for why they declined first invite it could be multiple reasons, for one they could have simply accepted an invite they got right before to another key that they signed up to (pretty sure that would show up as declined for the group they don't accept invite from), that would mean though that for one reason or another they left that group or one/both got kicked for some reason, another reason could be that the healer actually wasn't ready to reque but the dh as leader was just auto requeing. Can't really think of too many other reasons but I'm sure there are more. Also I sympathize with the dh, pugs commenting on my routes mid key does frustrate me almost as much as pugs ninja pulling packs/bosses but yeah that comment at the end of the Ara Kara was petty and unnecessary. Yeah theoretically The Hunt applies dots to any enemy in the path of the ability (up to 5) but its very finnicky and honestly I wouldn't use it to pull like that personally I'd rather use it for the dragon if anything cause it's mostly a Single target ability the extra dots are nice but not really a factor and will in no way compete with a dps threat generation only safe target for the warrior was maybe the one hit by the actual Hunt and even then not so sure dh would have held aggro on that either as he only does hunt and then Sigil of Silence which generates no threat. Honestly I'm not aware of any malice between DHs and Warriors myself seems like it's just that DH and his Monk friend who hate dps Warriors for some reason. I was on their side for Ara Kara but after the Grim Batol I think they're both delusional and just bad. I would have done the same thing as this Warrior if I had a tank like that DH just constantly making these toxic useless comments like "uhh can't die here" hell I make the same type of responses to my friends when they say it (I do have a reputation for stupid deaths I'll admit xD). I'm no stranger to dying while typing, usually replying to friends whispers not typing at anyone in the key, but I've never let it happen more than once in a run. Also love how they shift the blame to the warrior despite them both making bad mistakes and also dying (granted not as much as warrior) stupidly in the run.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

It's frustrating for sure but ya that response in that first key is a MAJOR red flag for me

[@vladislavzdravkov4057]

as dps you dont have that much choice to beging with ,either you wait another 30 min or you invite them again that is the simplest calculation you as dps are making.Tank have the easiest time in keys he only need to wait for healer dps is like river in keys.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya so the question is after seeing the second key, was it worth the gamble or should he have waited another 30 minutes.

[@vladislavzdravkov4057]

@@heythereguysitsMetro It is a personal choice i will not for example,because i just dont have so much free time,but for each is diferent.

[@Allcadia]

I gonna defend a bit the duo players (tank/heal, pushing in pugs sometimes or doing key for fun at the time in BFA and SL) As a tank, playing with a healer i know and what the possibilities in the dungeons, it's really a advantage to play this type of duos, because we know how the other gonna react. I always adapt my pull to the groups, it's the main role for a tank in m+ in my perspective to do so. Playing tilted is a bad idea solo or duos or even in a full group. Yes of course, sometimes we laugh about some mistake a player made or sometime we could be tilted by a person in a group and if that's happens after the keys ended we take a brake from playing a bit. There is no fun to play angry. I took many bullets in pugs, my pull, my route even the country i played so, if a person decide to bothers you, it's endless..

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

My point was that the outwardly expression of it is due to this affirmation they are receiving privately from their friend. They feel like they have support and as such are more willing to engage in childish arguments or belittle others. Its basically the psychology of a bully. You will never see a bully alone.

[@Frawt]

Wtf are you waffling about?

[@koolade76]

This isn’t exclusive behaviour to mythic keys; you get the same bull$hit in time walking dungeons with toxic twinks, or players speed levelling without consideration to others.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya, I didn't say it was.

[@Frontsnorri]

Unless the warrior is a friend, I would also probably drop them in favour of the tank/healer. Unfortunately tanks/healers are a little scarce atm and for the sake of timing the key and not having anymore antagonism, the warrior would get the boot. If they’re a friend though, I wouldn’t have invited the duo

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I was just asking if you would invite them a second time after the arguing from the first key.

[@Frontsnorri]

@@heythereguysitsMetro and I said that unless the warrior is a friend, I would probably boot them in favor or the tank/healer. obviously the have beef going on so for the sake of the key, they warrior would be removed

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Frontsnorri There is no question about the warrior, that is not in play here. Not sure what you are talking about. The question again was if the Healer and Tank signed up to your group back to back, would you play with them after their behavior in the first group. No one is getting kicked or chosen over in this situation.

[@timhundhausen1386]

That first pull in grim batol was so bad. Hunting in is fine, but you pop a sigil of flame before sigil of silence for threat. Easy fix.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya kinda weird there I'm sure there are a million ways to fix that.

[@timhundhausen1386]

@@heythereguysitsMetro really the normal pull sequence there would be prepull immo aura -> hunt -> sigil of flame , run to next pack -> sigil of silence, then build aggro on the drake. Super simple, prevents any casts from going off while you gather everything, and then stuff's stable. Unless a ret pally or fury warr literally unloads their cds while you're still gathering that stuff shouldnt happen.

[@kopitarrules]

Nope. I wouldn't have taken them the second time. I wouldn't have invited them the first time. I learned my lesson about inviting duos last expansion. Lol. *cough* Atal'dazar *cough*. Duos, like late night keys and the painbow method are undefeated.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@kopitarrules haha ya you certainly have seen your fair share.

[@jamesdixon4232]

Playing the game at this level with this foolishness every dungeon I would quit within a few days 😂

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jamesdixon4232 well it's obviously not every dungeon but ya it takes some resolve for sure.

[@DietcokeHD1]

No i would never invite a duo , trio or quad , i got burned one too many times in the past to take that risk anymore. I tank +10's and i personally think that DH should have just pulled normally with that group comp , could have got +1 in time , all the deaths due to mob packs for the most part. You can't always +2 a dungeon in the pug world , got to read the room.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@DietcokeHD1 ya those grim batol decisions cost them a lot.

[@Laptican]

Whenver i'm gonna queue up as a duo or more with friends i often notice they're also extremly selfish. I'm not sure if this is for all but they atleast constantly bitch over low damage, bad tanking etc. Meanwhile i'm saying to them that they aren't even using cc, defensives etc This is why i'm probably not gonna queue up as a duo or more with somebody anymore if i know it's a toxic player.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Laptican ya it's always the case. It becomes an US vs them thing. So suddenly you have a clique within a five player group. Super bad for pugging.

[@brentwaits954]

the fact that they think they are good at 27-2800 is funny 🤣

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

It is but what's even funnier is they ruin the key far worse than that warrior.

[@SuperGtimk5]

to your question about inviting them a second time NOPE NOPE NOPE

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

haha glad you agree!

[@Salvein]

Unbelievable for an almost 3k player to behave like that

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya sadly I have seen it many times. Players at this level think they are exceptional when they are really just slightly above average.

[@armormaster88]

Unbelievable you think his io would be indictive of anything in 2024 tbh

[@tsohg01]

Hilarious they got the same overqualified duo twice. I've experienced the same pain from bad attitude players who feel the level is below them. When will we get the F-tier trinket pre-key kick & chat discussion video? 😉

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh probably never. Nothing to really discuss there, that guy is just an imbecile and he knows it. See his comments on the stream from yesterday after it was published as a video. Dude is lying about what happened and stuff to pretend like he didn't do anything wrong. Probably just an unhinged young person who has very little experience dealing with anything other than the internet.

[@ryvedk]

ngl, as long as it's my own key, i'd rather just burn it on the spot and go get it back up than sit through the entire dungeon with the people that has attitude like that also that's an insta decline on the 2nd key sign up :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I don't blame you.

[@candulimataoo2852]

The comment at the end by the monk is shared by a lot of people in the community. I’ve had people whisper me when I apply as tank to 10’s saying I’m sorry only looking for 2.7k and above tanks not progress tanks. Im at 2.5k like come on now give me a shot 😂.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, well to be fair I don't blame people who are solely looking for vault keys to feel that way. Its just not relevant here, because they chose to sign up to some one else's key. If they want that, they need to only do their own key and stop being such an obstruction to the success of the group.

[@doubloonhadron244]

dh in the ara kara 100% correct about what he says and imo entitled to putting the dps warrior in his plays after clowning like he did

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Correct about what specifically? He just basically complains like a child out loud.

[@doubloonhadron244]

@ what he said about the warrior after ara Kara was all true. He is human and he even got attacked first I don’t blame him for saying something AFTER the key ended at all.

[@armormaster88]

i guess will see after the reports for leaving and being toxic what hes entitled to wont we? he wasnt even that good himself him and that healer jsut kept eating shit to nothign even when not typing and sorry you should never be dieing as veng in pulls like that even mid type esp with a healer your qing with. your on hard cope and half whats wrong with the player base overinflated egos bc every wow players somehow thinks there the best gamer iont he world even though they somhow dont have any teams that want them, cant carry have weak mental and dont even paly there one spec well but yap. dear god glad tos reports actaully work these days in wow its a plaige. also I play dps and bairly 2500 and get tanks and healers just fine that are not low ilvl high ego theres a shortage but its really not as bad as people cope about at the 8-12 range people just arnt wanting your group if your being passed

[@doubloonhadron244]

@ are you lost ? He was reported for the grim baton where he was definitely super toxic and over the edge AND left. I was talking about ARA KARA

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@doubloonhadron244 really an embarrassing thing to side with this behavior tbh. Not a good look at all. The warrior was an idiot and some how the demon hunter makes himself look even worse. I will tell you right now, if you ever type "what are you doing" after some one dies you need to take a break from the game. That behavior is totally pointless and if you are trying to defend that then we will not be getting along.

[@NeedsMorePants]

Tanks and healers pugging groups can afford to be as picky as they please, DPS are starved at best. 30-60 minute waits are by no means uncommon from that side of the fence

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@NeedsMorePants so you'd take these guys even given the first key?

[@NeedsMorePants]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Not willingly, but because of aforementioned insane wait times, I'd feel like I have no choice

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@NeedsMorePants Gotcha, sad to hear that.

[@armormaster88]

what keys are people doing that they are seeing them kinda wait times im jsut simply not i pug my key every week at dead hours normally around 4am and stil can get tanks and a healer pretty reliably for anything form a 8-12 and i play a very off meta dps spec and more over is a short q worth wasting 30min in a key that disbands? i really think its a tick tock wow brain issue were if you dont get a tank in 5 min it means theres no tanks so people give up and get into hyperbole and make excuse for the bad ones that are half looking for carries

[@NeedsMorePants]

@@armormaster88 I can expect those wait times in the 7-9 key range on my warlock (can't get into 10s at 618), whereas on my holy paladin I can get in any key under 12 that I want in 3 minutes or less

[@ВладиславЛосєв-к4э]

Hi, don't agree about first part, when you goes mythic dungeon 10+ you should see debuffs and use defensives, warrior was so poor, often when i played heal or tanks 8 from 10 keys some guy talks about bad routes or about heal mistake, he had only one job, what a problem? they don't use 70% of their abilties, if they want only yellow or white numbers without pressing def buttons or doing advanced mech like los or stunning, fear itc, better go 5+ or 3+ keys with no dmg bosses and mob abilities. I got 3k on Holy paladin ( heal with 99% no invites for 12-13+ keys ) and this freak me out in pugs keys.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I'm sorry I'm not sure what your point is here. What specifically are you disagreeing with?

[@kondziofon]

on 1st pac DH hit the mob watior pulled agro from with hunt but it doesnt generate enough threat for dos to sit on mob at all it was in a big part wariors lack of awarnes to stay on mob that long he didnt hit midle mob and cant tell if he had imo aura on before hunting but tbh at this point of season lots of even good players do 10 while wathing sth on the othe monitor. been in few clown fiesta 10s with good players that admited they ware wathing sth on the other monitor and paying minimal viable attention to game.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh no, we can see it turns to him the second he charges. The hunt must not have hit it at all.

[@jigsaw6954]

My experience is Warrior tanks are super angry all the time if anything dosnt go their way or people dont play exactly how they want them to play, DH tanks have massive egos abit like the first but more elitist, druid tanks are usually chill but can get frustrated easy, Pallies tend to be more leaders no drama usually but a bit of a elitist attitude and blood DKs are usually really chill never had a single drama with a Blood no matter how bad its gotten. Hell had one Blood dk that had macros for every single boss and trash explaining to people pushing io different mechanics how he will be pulling and what route he will be doing next made the run smooth as butter

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

That's funny. Glad others out there playing blood have made a good impression on you.

[@jigsaw6954]

May be bias as well koz im a dps dk but tank lower keys and whatever for the tank bags 😂​@@heythereguysitsMetro

[@stark19914]

When I do 10s just to fill vault for the week I only invite 2700 and up and 630 ilvl or higher because I’m not there to carry somone for a portal or IO I’m there for fast 10s to fill vault

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well ya that's totally fair if its your key, your rules. Surely you aren't defending acting like these guys did in some one else's key though right?

[@daverobert5018]

The warrior in the first key is kind of bad. That's a pretty standard pull even in low keys and on the second boss I dont see the spell reflect or defensive stance animations so he kind of does die without using anything. That debuff hurts as a warrior and if you get caught in the swirl after it expires its easy to die without at least swapping stances. That being said the dh is definitely tilted lol his healer buddy died a lot too. There definitely whispering each other just adding fuel to the tilt

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@daverobert5018 ya you can tell they are doing the affirmation circle jerk think. That's the death of cohesion in a pug group.

[@daverobert5018]

@heythereguysitsMetro most definitely lol I mean I'll msg my buddies mid key to laugh at what's going on but the moment you start directing it at people in party chat things take a turn for the worst. Nobody wants to be openly criticized all run

[@Jarny-11111]

The DH is straight up an egocentric bad tank, would never play with him. Spamming messages when you're supposed to be surviving.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya that's pretty crazy behavior for sure.

[@someguy1742]

No, I'm not inviting them again. I witnessed his insecurity on full display lashing out over the warrior for criticising his route. While the route may be fine, the way you handle criticism is important. If you can't deal with questions in a healthy manner, then it might be time to take a break to recuperate because that attitude is not sustainable for yourself and any group you get invited to in the future, as you're just going to be defensive over everything.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@someguy1742 ya childishly lashing out and continuing to comment on it like that demon hunter does is an INSANE red flag for me. Shocked they even finished that first key. If that warrior commented one more time I bet he would have left after that.

[@someguy1742]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I completely agree, i think the warrior's attitude was preety good tbf. I mean he stuck it through even when he was getting hounded by the DH so i thnk there's a huge difference in the ability to process criticism by both these players. The druid's gameplay was also pretty good, using bear form to mitigate incoming damage whenever they could

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@someguy1742 ya I agree. They work well together despite their tank commenting on every mistake haha

[@kingtut8367]

I would’ve taken them again. Tank wasn’t toxic just poor judgment. And I will agree with the healer towards the end. Never invite a warrior dps. Absolutely useless and a waste of a spot

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Sure thing.

[@charlespinkerton7672]

I have to keep reminding my guildies that what they think is the reason a key bricked isnt always the reason, gotta take a breath and analyze a little bit not mob mentality a poor guy.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, that's why I always say to record the runs. Easy to see these things if you just look at the footage.

[@thelastspectre8141]

First key wasn't that bad at all, plus they were 2 different warriors. I'm not sure why the first Warrior even had to say anything when your on route to 2 chest a key...like no one was saying anything until Warrior called him out on 1 pull and the dh could have left at anytime but stayed and finished. Also, people need to pay attention to where they are accepting the res, the white light on the floor is where you ressing. If the white light has 2 circles on it don't insta accept the res. The second dungeon was bad....alot of avoidable damage going out and alot of mistakes from everyone to be fair. Blaming people doesn't help. If you get frustrated just don't say anything, just mute them for now, Finish the dungeon strong atleast then block them after.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya the question was just if you'd risk playing with that guy again after he overreacts to the first warrior

[@thelastspectre8141]

@heythereguysitsMetro yeah I was going to add that at the end and say no, but already thought I typed too much lol. It's just unfortunate because I see it from a limited time to play perspective, then there is the high io trap, and tank healer combo. When both roles are scares. Druid probably didn't want to but if it's all he's got to work with limited time...rolling the dice at that point

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya it's a tough one all around. Because it may legitimately be the case that he is trapped with them and there won't be any other tanks or healers coming for a while. Idk myself.

[@freeplayer9346]

The warrior should stop running mythic + and go learn the basics of his class. Monk and DH un-ironically ended up showing far more patience than the usual "higher elo/rio" player.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Really!? What just because they didn't leave the first key? Strange thing to say after those passive aggressive comments

[@kent4833]

remove chat function in m+ pugs, easy fix

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Sadly that is in no way an easy fix.

[@flashyhooves1710]

I join keys with my tank friend all the time and we are for sure mentally stable. I do not get this video to be honest. It is a big pro when your tank and healer can actually coordinate stuff together. Even when it is only about needing 2 different interrupts. The warrior should not complain about positioning of a boss or a pull in a +10. We are not juvenile. We are in our 40's. Obviously we would not sign up with a warrior like that in the group again. I am not talking about making mistakes like dying on the 2nd boss. Everyone makes mistakes. Just because of his comments during the run i would just never want to do a key with that guy again.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

The question was if the druid should have invited the duo again after how the demon hunter acted after the warrior back seated him. Gigantic red flag right? So I'm saying, from a psychological perspective, this is a common thing for duos. Have you ever had some one upset you in a key you were playing with your friend? Have you two every discussed it privately? If so, by doing so you are emboldening each other with affirmation and this may lead you to then lash out publicly over it, as you believe you have support. If it happened when you are alone you would be less likely to do that and more likely to internalize the emotions. All of this summarizes to it being unfavorable for a solo player to invite a duo on average.

[@flashyhooves1710]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yes, tanks and healers get constantly trashtalked with whatever they do in the chat. The idea is to just not respond to them. They do not upset me actually. You just do your run. You +2 the key and let them flame you for that. And then you leave and go into another key. You just laugh about it. We are actually mentally stable people. And it is of course a very big plus to have some people in your group who are able to coordinate. It means your run will go well way more often than not with only solo players. I interrupt the staghorn first, he second. Mechanic done. I interrupt the far caster so it comes in the pull. He tells me on voice he needs some spamming because he is out of tankystuff. Etc etc etc. It is so damn good to have coordination. With your logic the people who run +20's should run all solo so they are able to run even higher keys.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@flashyhooves1710 I have no idea how you are so confused on my point enough to say that nonsense at the end about 20s but I actually laughed out loud at that.

[@flashyhooves1710]

@@heythereguysitsMetro That makes the two of us, with your statement "on average it is unfavorable to invite a duo" :)

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@flashyhooves1710 Ya I mean I explained it quite heavily in the video. If you didn't understand it from there, then you are just not open to the concept. I don't blame you, you probably are feeling challenged by the idea of people not inviting you and your friend or whatever. But sadly, we have a library of evidence that, on average, it harms the group more than helps. You failing to understand WHY is what I was laughing at. As if communication is unilaterally bad in my view lol... Really weird thing to say.

[@derekh3390]

peak m+ pugging. much less experienced dps trying to backseat another role rather than getting better at their class. More experienced tank thinks he's infallible even though his route is shit because of bloated %. and then people who are just quietly playing well are judging while doing the math on how much more bad play or how many more snide remarks they're willing to sit through before they afk or bounce.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Certainly a wild landscape.

[@armormaster88]

finally someone that sees all the angles think you can tell the single spec mains in the comments stg those of us that tank dps and heal are just rolling in our chairs lmfao

[@Deadscheme]

To be honest the warrior was kinda shit lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Correct. But this isn't about him.

[@jasminaruuskanen7382]

To be honest I wouldn't have invited that DH just because of his character name 😅 just screams a-hole to me. I do play with a tank as a healer very often, and I kind of just expect the pug skill level to be low. If they play well it's a nice surprise. I never call people out, even if they die to something or do low dps. I also don't leave a key unless someone else leaves and we can't finish.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jasminaruuskanen7382 good mentality to have. This guy typing about every death is absurdly detrimental to the success of the key.

[@nucleartickz]

if i were that druid i would be like : ANND.. you are expressing to me all this ...because of ??? lol , so annoying whispers. send him to tol dagor ! oh i must edit, warrior on Gb first mistake is very common , takes a while for a melee to figure out how things are in the epicenter of all madness. maybe hes a range dps main :P

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@nucleartickz haha ya those guys typing all that were really silly.

[@MichaelsGraves-ew2gt]

lol i mean, lets be fair tho. Dps shouldnt be rushing in ahead of tank.. Thats what it looks like that warrior is doing to me, bu t my eyes dont work to well anymore. I also dont disagree

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@MichaelsGraves-ew2gt we are just reacting to the tilt elements of it. Obviously both warriors are doing dumb stuff. The deaths to rushing in are also on the tank of course though. No excuse for that boss death there that's really bad as a tank.

[@chillpulls]

first key the warrior is the issue

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

My question was, after you have seen the demon hunter respond to that problem, do you trust him a second time?

[@chillpulls]

@heythereguysitsMetro ooo definitely not, egos flaring after first key I woulda just waited out for a clean slate

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Agreed!

[@Lyscian420]

Idk why you would invite a dps like ww or warr. So many better classes why settle for 0 utility 0 raid buff and a melee dps. Rather have Dk or cheat death rogue

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I agree in general. But for a ten there isn't any reason to be that picky.

[@willwowzi]

nice just censor me

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

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