My Rant on Delves So Far in The War Within Season 1...

[@randomdude1500]

For someone that is not very skilful in the game and I mostly play LFR and world content, the time that delves got me back in to wow was amazing to me. I decided to not listen to advice of streamers to do keys on 8 Dif instead I started with 574 item lvl and go from 4 all the way to tier 7. on 7 I use most of my keys got 6 left and I got 2 maps as well, my item lvl atm is 594 only from tier 7 delves. I feel so much dopamine during this delves runs, more then the whole dragon flight expansion. The best content in the game for solo player as myself. Frost mage is my main.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

That's really cool to hear that. Glad people are enjoying this sort of content so much. It has such incredible potential.

[@Blimd_Mo]

I miss WoW and gaming so much, since I went blind its been hard. But videos like yours help! That and lit rpg books.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Crazy. Sorry to hear that but I'm glad you can still enjoy this content.

[@birds-and-bones]

You must be hankering for the rest of Worth the Candle to get audiobooks!

[@keith0377]

Oh man thats rough. So sorry you are having to deal with that.

[@Blimd_Mo]

@@birds-and-bones right now I'm working on finishing the completionist series

[@Moomies]

My father played WoW and he also went blind :( All he ever wanted was the Urgal mount from Antorus. We are trying to run his character weekly hoping it drops for him. He can't play but it's symbolic.

[@BoujieeeBee]

Man, that spore launch into the shaman was beautiful.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

One of the funniest things I have seen tbh

[@Tyzen7]

I hope they add way more rewards to delves. Island Expeditions had a LOT of rewards worth doing them for. Transmogs, mounts, pets, actual gear, etc

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

There is a fair amount tbh. But ya nothing on par with Islands. That's a lot to ask.

[@skrabio]

As a veteran mage player, I do find some delves and bosses to be setup in ways that I struggled to complete. I think my main issue is that some mechanics and boss abilities are not treated the same across the board. For instance, I've encountered several big bug bosses who perform the Stinging Swarm aura, and things like the damage/range/cool down can vary.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya? First I have heard of this, but I get it. Mage is hard to play in solo content where you can't slow and kite stuff for sure.

[@jaklg7905]

I am a frost mage and I wish that they allowed us to play as we are meant to. Some of the Delves, like the ones where you need to be in the candle light, are clearly catering to melee classes. Casters are not meant to stand in one area and take hits but we don't have the movement that our class is made for because of these limitations. I was able to solo a couple of level 7 Delves today and did OK. But I can't see me doing some of the more difficult ones. I am also a veteran player, having played my mage since 2007. Edit to say that Bran needs a tank spec for us casters.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jaklg7905 those candles respawn instantly. So you can just use one per pack if you need to.

[@jaklg7905]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Not on the last boss they don't. I just ran it yesterday and the damn candle did NOT respawn.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jaklg7905 Hmm okay I'll take your word for it.

[@Firmintaor504]

Yea delves are a huge W. Loving soloing as a disc priest. So far I have solo'ed all except 11 and Zekvir's Lair. Also, undercoins are for cosmetics and customizations to your delve mount. Great video, thanks!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Glad you are enjoying it!

[@jennyrivasjj]

Great video! Ive been watching ur videos for a while now, and i wanted to say that there has been several things were i might not agree. But what your videos exel at,for me at least, is rethinking and try and approach stuff in a different way! And that deserves so many thumbs up! I absolutely love your content so ty for making it and sharing😊 And yes Delves are awsome! Ive had a blast with my rsham, and im "comfortable" in T8 to solo or 2man it. Priest and rdruid struggles a bit, and MW monk is just pure fun. I wanna try Brann as heal and pleb on a dps spec (long time heal so my dmg skills is meh)😂

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Thanks, ya honestly the best source of information I get is from the comment section on videos so I'm always eager to read what people have to say even if they disagree, as long as its done with respect. Glad you are enjoying Delves!

[@MrCattlehunter]

There definitely are delves you can't solo as a dps/healer. As a healer, Brann seems to be pretty easy to keep alive actually. But you often draw much more aggro than him by healing, so it's impossible to get him to tank when there's just a single mob where all the healing aggro goes to that mob. Making some bosses impossible. You can kite them around for a little while and stay alive with cooldowns, but eventually you just die with there being nothing you can do about it as the boss just stands there punching you in the face for several million dps. Maybe if you could kite them indefinitely and jump up/down ledges etc., it would be possible, but they despawn when you leave their boss area. Some bosses are easily doable, like the Earthcrawl Mines one; it does no damage, it just takes forever to slowly wear it down. But some others are impossible, like that nerubian delve with the platforms that you run through, concluding with a boss fight on a tiny platform at the end with the giant that summons tons of adds. That boss just kicks your ass. I also would say, delves are extremely boring. There's little mechanical aspects to most of them, just huge healthpools you have to spend forever wearing down. 150 million hp on a boss in a 2-man dungeon, like the earthcrawl mines one, takes like 5 minutes to kill it with no damage being done to you at all. There are a few exceptions, like the underwater dungeon with the guy with the tentacles all over the place at the end while bubbles spawn and despawn throughout the fight, it's pretty fun. But most of them are just ZZZzzzzzzz... especially some of the trash, doubly so for how you're encouraged to pull as little as possible for safety's sake, which results in lots of standing around punching mobs with 50 million hp one mob at a time while they waste your time spamming webs or shit all over the place to lower your damage but otherwise pose no threat to you as a single mob (but posing moderate threat with 2 or extreme threat with 3 or more). The obvious solution "just pull 1 mob at a time" is... timer... but then we just have a crappier version of m+

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

If you find you can not solo a tier 8 delve please record it with your talents and item level shown and send it to me so I can see what's going wrong.

[@XAn0nymousX0]

I'm one of those that didn't pay for early access. I did however look up what the rewards would be for delves and so I banked my keys. I cleared 8 t8 bountiful delves for my vault on prot pally starting at around 584 gear. It's definitely challenging solo content. You have to use cool downs, stuns, interrupts, and utility. So far my only real problem with delves is just how random the difficulty seems to be between different delves on the same difficulty and also the rng of branns AI.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya the AI is the biggest issue haha

[@heavy_elite]

I know this Delve - I soloed it on a 8 with my Druid. The spores do actually also DMG the Mobs and that's why I oneshotted the SHIT out of this. It was a really fun Delve - Will come back to it later 2 :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

nice

[@flumm0x_]

been doing them as disc priest and bdk and i absolutely love it. ?? zekvir is the final challenge obviously and deservedly so. hopefully with the increasing item levels each week i can get it done.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I imagine so. Brann has a LOT of power to be gained too.

[@flumm0x_]

@@heythereguysitsMetro absolutely true, max levels, relics, gear scaling. We’re simply not meant to kill him yet (imo)

[@Grimreaper711]

Managed to kill the first "?" tier Zekvir solo as a 602 ret pally yesterday, it was such a fun fight. I want to now give the "??" tier a go, but need to beat a T10 delve. Tried to solo waterworks but the waxface boss at the end is brutal and destroyed me. Very tough to deal with when he's doing his "Burn Away" ability, 1.2-1.5 mill AoE damage ticks that seemingly can't be dodged or LoS'd. Might see if I can find a delve with an easier boss. You're 100% right that people can't go into these with their mythic/raid talent loadouts and expect to do well. Spending 10 or so minutes going through your talents to pick ideal ones is good advice. I found as ret, the talents to reduce stun cd and do crusader strikes when you interrupt both helped immensely.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Good to hear. I have heard you can LOS that mechanic though. I have also heard these enemies can be taken quite far away. But ya, that one is probably the hardest boss just because how frequently he does that mechanic.

[@tylerstewart3181]

I think blizzard still hasn't figured out delve scaling. Sometimes my brann is immortal but my HP gets CHUNKED. Sometimes bosses are hard, other times it is easy.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You are saying you can do the same delve twice under the same conditions and the damage output is different each time? That's not my experience with them.

[@tylerstewart3181]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I'm saying that the experience is VASTLY different under a number of factors. Party due to brans equipped "gear" and the size of the party. Tier 8 delves are a joke with 5 people, when logically they should be more difficult. Instead, what I've seen is that SOLO delves are impossible for me as a DPS. Then I see other players whose bran can consistently hold threat somehow, whereas mine barely tickles any of the mobs dps-wise. I'm not sure what they're trying to make delves be, but somebody messed the math up here somewhere

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@tylerstewart3181 I don't think this has anything to do with math, and I think you are operating on knowledge that is outdated since the changes a few days ago. If you are unable to solo an 8 delve, please record your run, show your talents and gear, and send it in so I can see what is causing the problems.

[@tylerstewart3181]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Oh no I can do them, (once I swap to Hpal, or have a couple helpers) it's just ive seen other people absolutely blast through them with similar Ilvl to me and noticed that the damage they take, or the behavior of their bran is vastly different. I don't know what it is, maybe they're doing something differently that I'm not picking up on, or they have better curios for Bran.

[@saviourself687]

Umm, Brann went from underpowered to a god to underpowered again with the 3 hotfixes over the last 4 days. Currently, he's back to smol/useless/can't hold aggro for shit. Anyone drawing any conclusions from the last 4-5 days of delves is wasting their time because the balance is all over the road at the moment.

[@kopitarrules]

Oh man I would KILL to be able to be in there smashing my head against this content. It seems a great way to learn your class and figure out different ways of doing things. Different builds and different approaches to the content. It really seems like a better version of torghast from what I can tell on the sidelines. I am pretty much the epitome of that Conan O'Brien "let me in" meme at this point. Lol good video bruv. thanks for sharing it.

[@beebeemw]

Hope to see you back soon Kop. Been maining monk and it’s so much fun, managed to solo an 8 so far on WW.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya man this content has you written all over it.

[@shockre1119]

I like it because it's not time limited and allows you to improvise with different approaches to mobs. Also it's not that is impossible, my friend did 11 solo with frost DK, I did 11 solo with DH. I was watching your stream and told you that I'm kiting specific pack around pillar, and that was my approach to that pack, probably you have yours, and everyone should try to find their way how to solve the problem. Also a lot of mobs are not "chained" so you don't need to pull full packs if you don't want to, just realized today when I was doing 11 that those elites that randomly spawns, in my case Velo and Tala or something like that, if you wait them to separate a bit you can pull one by one, also rare with small bugs that are shielding him, you can pull one bug at the time and kill them to remove shield from the rare. It's all about testing and finding best way.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Great perspective. If everyone did this, there would be way less complaints. Also the point about split pulling the enemies is crucial.

[@rodchester3]

I cranked out T5-T11 delves yesterday and man it was a ton of fun. I will say that the minibosses are a little too variant like the spider guy is pretty easy but Tala and Veka or whatever their name is basically impossible unless you're able to try and single pull one of them. But overall awesome!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, that Tala and Veka combo is really strange. Luckily split pullable.

[@Azari_D]

My friends and I are LOVING delves, holy cow. I had a ‘scenario’ pre-disposition on them and I wouldn’t really have given them a chance without this non-mythic+ week.

[@normannseils3936]

I don’t understand how people love delves, the mobs are just health-sponges mixed with annoying mechanics. It’s either insanely easy (on a tank) or frustrating on most dps speccs.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, it was really a genius way to handle this all tbh. Glad you are enjoying them!

[@darkonyx1741]

Agree. Also think the ilvl 616 vault slots will be great for another couple weeks at least for those of us who don't do a ton of m+.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya if you aren't pushing keys hard this is the best gear you will get!

[@Sebastian_Ulamog]

In a world (of Warcraft) where everything is timed and people rush to do everything asap delves are a super cool detachment from the rat race. They are amazing, I can plan my own route, skip some trash if possible, adapt my tactics, change talents. I found myself doing not only bountiful delves for the vault but others just for fun and achievements :D I think non-bountiful delves loot is low so that people won't shift to gearing excusively solo - we are after all in an mmo game. If they continue with this content I think it would be great to draw more new players in: the fact that new people could do this solo and learn to dodge mechanics, CC mobs, use environment to your advantage would be a great introduction to dungeon content (even though we have follower dungeons). I can't wait for the 3rd expansion in Northrend where we can get delves like Zul'Drak, Utgarde Catacombs etc. The possibilities are endless! Could be fun to throw in a delve or two into the old world as well (eg. something themed around anniversaries or timewalking).

[@normannseils3936]

I’d rather have any timed content on the world (of Warcraft) that ever having to run delves again after this week. It’s such a boring content.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya cool point about new delve locations. Maybe they will adapt it to the old world as well if they ever do a cata style remake of it all!

[@infernomaster2702]

iv really enjoyed doing delves so far, will eventually get the void mount, once more gear is obtained. Its a great side system, and great alternative for casual gamers as well. I hope they keep it going, great addition in my opinion.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, its great for what it is tbh. I'm excited to do it on leveling challenge characters.

[@mentalbreak]

I'm a life longer pvper and delves were my gateway drug into pve. I am now a raider now too!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Quick swing, glad to hear though!

[@Aragashia]

I love Delves, but there are some MAJOR issues they need to address, and it's not just scaling. You can't get Undercoins, Delver's Journey progress nor experience for Brann outside of Bountiful Delves, and this makes it pointless to run Delves that aren't Bountiful. I've already completed Glory of the Delver, and my total haul from the 30 or so non-bountiful Tier 8 Delves (aside from the 20 Bountiful Delves I ran) was absolutely nothing of note. I didn't even have Zekvir spawn once, so I don't even have all of the curios unlocked despite running so many. I'd like to see them make regular delves worth running, because right now there's no reason whatsoever to bother unless you're an alt-o-holic that can abuse the Warband to speed through the Delver's Journey and Brann levels by doing Bountiful Delves on multiple characters per day. I have no doubt that Zekvir is doable as a Blood DK due to how their healing works, but I can't see it being done by any other class unless they let Brann tank like he used to. I've tried it as both a Ret and Prot Paladin at ilvl 605, and there's simply no way to survive the constant barrage of auto-attacks for millions of damage even if you waste all of your Holy Power on casting heals. I had a few attempts where I got him into phase 2 pre-Brann nerf as Retribution, and in hindsight I wish I had kept pushing, because now it's just impossible instead of a challenge. Edit #1: After the latest changes to Brann I now believe that this is possible again as a Ret Paladin, after having reached phase 2 while barely being able to kill the eggs in time. Brann as a healer is dealing laughable damage (4-5% of total) but is able to keep you alive through the auto-attacks, unless you get unlucky with his unusually high chance to crit. I'm now of the mindset that this is possible to complete Let Me Solo Him again for some classes/specializations (other than Blood DK), but I wouldn't be surprised if we see another hotfix that swings the pendulum again. Edit #2: It also appears that you're now able to earn Undercoin through regular delves, but it looks like Brann/Delver's Journey still isn't progressing outside of Bountiful Delves. You're also able to obtain higher-tier crests again, which seemed to have been disabled shortly after the launch of season one. Edit #3: Best attempt so far at ilvl 610 is 37%, but Zekvir has some major spell queuing issues in his second phase, leading to him randomly spawning eggs or using his DoT too early for my CD's to reset. I think several classes can deal with it, but I'm stuck relying on Brann's RNG dispels for the DoT when this happens, and can't deal with an early egg due to currently lacking the gear to do so without CD's.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Aragashia ya the changes to zekvirs lair are strange. But we will see how it plays out. It's a cutting edge type achievement so obviously it's not meant to be easy week 1.

[@Aragashia]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I'm all for a challenge, but if it's going to require anything past ilvl 616 it's not tuned with the people playing Delves in mind. Auto-attacks aren't a challenge, they're a gear/class check. Having an additional 10 item levels more won't change the fact that I'll die in 3 hits without pumping the majority of my Holy Power generated into healing myself.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Aragashia Nothing is really required in there, no. The good thing about the system is brann exists for you. So even if you had to kite and heal constantly, he is there to offset that. As long as you can kick the heals, you aren't punished for it taking a long time, which I really like.

[@Aragashia]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I think you should give it a go as anything other than a Blood DK - It's a whole different beast when you don't have access to an infinite source of healing that scales with incoming damage.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Aragashia I don't play anything other than blood dk. I would encourage you to do it on Blood if you think its a remarkable advantage, especially since its just for an achievement.

[@Duhchinski]

I’m absolutely loving Delves. I just had my first child. It’s amazing but it demands a lot of time. The very first thing I did when the season started was go into the new raid in a pug. It took us an hour to get to the second boss, not because we were wiping. It just quite literally took an hour to get everyone there and ready to go. Had to leave to take care of my child. Then I tried out delves. 10-15 minutes and BOOM, turn in a key, get a piece of raid gear as a guaranteed drop. Holy cow it’s such a superior system to raiding. And I would argue that in turns of difficulty, what makes heroic raids harder than delves is not the personal skill required, it’s that in delves you are in control of whether or not you succeed, whereas in raids you are reliant on other people not screwing up. I think most of us underestimate just how good we are at this game, especially for those of us who have played for two decades. We just don’t notice because we make comparisons to world first raiders who are on a whole other level. For new players, I’m telling you, delves are very challenging. I think the rewards are very fitting. It’s the format of raiding that is grossly outdated.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yes, I have been saying that since WoD honestly. Raiding requires far too much effort for what it rewards. The big thing is the "herding cats" thing of just organizing all different types of players under one strategy. Delves are amazing because its just you. Glad to hear you agree.

[@normannseils3936]

I think there is a spot for mythic raid (or raiding in a guild in general) as a group challenge. Pugging raids is a waste of time nowadays though.

[@ThunderScoot94]

I was hoping for more mechanical difficulty like the green fire for warlocks or Mage tower challenges, and less auto attack and spam casting spells for very high amounts of damage. Hopefully for the next season they can work more towards that system instead of it being more stat checking against the unavoidable damage.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

For me, this is far superior to the mage tower. Some of them worked out, but I feel like these Delves are more representative of what WOW offers. You aren't required to get hit by casts and melees either! I think a lot of people fail to realize how much kiting you can do in this game now, and how many spots you can LOS in these delves.

[@ThunderScoot94]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I'm not having much trouble as a DK but I do try to LoS when I can. Might just be finding wonky hitboxes to LoS like in Grim Batol and having issues with that for sure.

[@MensGroomingAdvice]

I love the IDEA of Delves, but not so much their current implementation. The end bosses really present a challenge to my Mage main and other light armor wearers (my Ret Pally runs through them pretty easily) because of the unavoidable ticking AOE damage. If it was more like a raid boss, where you had to watch and move and constantly check your position, I'd be fine with that. Instead, when a bug starts casting aoe, it doesn't matter if I blink away and press myself up against the wall a long way away, my health melts away in seconds. Good video, thank you!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya you are saying you can't LOS that bug aoe mechanic? I was told you could, but never tried. That one I do think should be removed for sure. Not a fan of stuff like that in solo content. But obviously as a Mage you have enormous defensive options. That damage is all magic anyway, so armor isn't a factor.

[@anonymousSWE]

I play Brewmaster and been having so much fun in delves. I think Brew is also one of the better classes to solo delves with.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I bet its fun!

[@christopherdaffron8115]

So, clearly a large factor in the variability in difficulty to clear Delves is based on what spec you use. You acknowledge that a BDK is going to have an easier time to clear Delves than some other specs. If you are going to have Delve content that involves you soloing as a BDK, eventually you will only have other BDK watching your content because it won't be relevant to other specs trying to clear the same Delves at the same Tier level.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I do not understand what the point you are trying to make is. Plenty of people watch me do M+ even though they don't tank. Many don't even DO mythic+. Some don't even play the game.

[@christopherdaffron8115]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Sorry that my point didn't get across to you. I thought it was rather straight forward.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@christopherdaffron8115 Not at all. Care to reword it or something? I'm just confused what point you even might be trying to make here, because I'm obviously not publishing only delve content on this channel.

[@christopherdaffron8115]

@@heythereguysitsMetro My comment was only focused on Delves as this video was focused on Delves as well. I am a fan and subscriber to your channel even though I don't play a BDK myself. Soloing a Delve as BDK is not the same as Pugging Mythic+ Dungeons in a group with players of various specs and skill/knowledge. I'm doubtful that players trying to solo Delves who don't play a BDK will find your solo BDK Delves videos all that informative.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@christopherdaffron8115 I'm still not sure what your point is here man. Are you trying to suggest a different content strategy?

[@wolfshanze5980]

"Delve Drama" is the VERY REASON why Delves should be run SOLO. If I wanted to be surrounded by "go, go, go" people, pulling extra packs, wiping groups, calling out so and so for not doing job-X, then I'd pug Mythic+. The very thing that makes Delves the best thing ever is: 1) solo content 2) good gear rewards 3) no group drama 4) no timer 5) no KZbin content creator will ever post a video of one of my runs for entertainment value... OneAzerothTV: " OK, here comes wolf in his solo run of this delve... there's multiple packs of mobs ahead, I wonder how he's going to handle it... Wait... what's this? OK, he's just sitting there... not moving... [A few moments later] Okay... perhaps he left to go feed his ferrets and talk to his son... we'll give him more time... [A few moments later] Okay, I just saw his toon move... I think he's just moving him to prevent an afk logout... maybe he just got a txt on his cellphone, let's give him more time" ************* Ya... if Delves are done right, solo content with no timer... you'll never make a single video on any of my runs! Drama free and very boring.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Longwinded, but I agree. Delves should have been purely solo. But sadly as you see here, many players are unable to admit they need to improve to succeed. They demand others carry them, or Blizzard change their game for them.

[@CryonautGaming]

Zekvir is very close to, if not, impossible since the change. Bran follows you around = gets feared, hit by every frontal = he misses his kicks. even as blood dk, you will miss a heal kick and will never kill the boss. You will also eventually die from spittle since your CD's will run out eventually. if you truly believe you can kill it right now... id love to see you record it. Of course this is for the ?? tier. The ? tier is still very doable.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I just don't have the time to do it, but its obviously not impossible. You just need to make sure you kick every heal. If you miss that, its on you. The stun into the frontals are the only thing that could kill you, and that add can be gripped etc. There is no such thing as "your cds will run out eventually" lol... Have you just never played Blood or something?

[@CryonautGaming]

@@heythereguysitsMetro You WILL die if don't kick spittle. i am 607 veng DH... and doing it right now to record. you need both kicks. I play all the tanks, thanks. I want to see you stand in the shit right now on ?? and live. The web you think you can live hits for 12mil. And if you cant kill a web (very likely) you need to use a stop for the spider cast means you have one less stop for the boss. as i said, its very close to being impossible since the changes hence why noone has be able to do it lol. if you were lucky enough to get the void skin before the changes which you and Xayru and others did, grats lol. but i promise you cant do it now with a delv fix.

[@CryonautGaming]

tl:dr Brann is just too inconsistent for their assumingly intended purposes for this fight. And yes, with more gear it will get easier, but gear has nothing to do with a mechanic that requires two kicks, and one of them is meant to come from an NPC. Even as a healing priest with no kick, you are meant to dispel spittle and bran kicks the heal... you miss that... its GG boss heals to full.

[@Shishakind86]

I can survive Zekvir as a prot warrior with ilvl 606 and do all mechanics just fine with the exception of the adds. My damage just isn't enough to break the cocoons so that I either get one-shot by a web-bolt or sacrifice my interrupt for it and do not have it for spittle anymore. Tried it several times but as of now, I'm convinced that it's pretty impossible and a gear issue which will solve itself in the coming weeks. And I'm fine with that. The ultimate seasonal delve challenge shouldn't be possible in its first week.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@CryonautGaming kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4PVpnZ-pK1mmsU Very easy to survive. only hard part is how long it takes. Spittle is not challenging my health pool at all. Its very hard. But not impossible, unless something has changed in the final phase.

[@rockylee943]

Honestly outside of the seasonal diferent characters I hope they continue to improve on this system for some one that gave up on raiding long time ago and stick to mythic plus only having alot of fun with the delves.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I'm eager to see where it goes from here for sure.

[@mattiaslauri3957]

Hey metro nice vid, I've recently upgraded my PC and i think i can start recording my M+ runs without my performance taking too big of a hit, Do you have any tips on what software to use?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I would recommend obs. Should have present quality options you can choose from just in case you are still worried about file size or hardware bottlenecks.

[@Aethermie]

I had a lot of fun (painful at the same time) doing Mage Tower in shadowlands (wasn't there during Legion :( ) and felt like an absolute mastermind using fade to bait oneshotting cast on my mindbender. It was an amazing accomplishment for me to finish it and I was really happy to get amazing transmog set for it. Delves sometimes remind me of that experience but looking at Zekvir... Well I just dont feel its worth it. Maybe a shiny recolour of Arathi set or another version of mythic mog set (or unique weapon skin) that would be unobtainable after the season ends would make wanna spend some hours trying to do this. (Or maybe I'll visit the guy after Im fully myth geared to see how it goes) Delves do have great potential I believe. It's challenging, it has some fun mechanics. But broken tuning and weird rewards are kinda ruining it a bit for me. As a healer I also found out 'don't do anything and let Brann kill everyone JUST DON'T TAKE AGGRO' is the safest strategy which is not really an engaging and fun way to play the game. I understand healer is the weirdest role to make solo content for. But mage tower was amazing and even torghast's approach (take traits that make your healer not a healer anymore) felt a bit more engaging. Non-healer roles look much more fun (i just dont feel as comfortable with offspecs so doing what im better at even though its absolutely not fun just for the loot). There's a lot of work they still have to do (just don't give up on delves like it happened with torghast) but looks promising already.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, the rewards are not working out, I agree. Healer is a really strong pick right now though, just because you can effectively function as a tank. But I'm sure its not particularly fun to do. It used to be sooo much worse to do solo content on a healer though, so I'm sure this is miles better than the old days.

[@JumboCod91]

Got the Immortal spelunker FoS today on my BDK main, 600ilvl, it got me to play my class better and I'm almost leaning towards the idea that maybe this sort of solo content may actually be a great way to get more casual solo players to get better at the game to the point they gain enough confidence to try harder group content such as M+. In any case, it is actually great to have some decently challenging solo content. As both a raider and M+ enjoyer, I like being able to just chill by myself while still feeling I'm doing something worthwhile. I hope Blizz adds extra tiers of difficulty as our gear improves so we can keep being challenged, and only for the glory and achievements, I don't want to see mythic gear for like a T20.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Its an OUTSTANDING training ground for solo players playing Tanks in general for sure. If you can survive here, you can crush most content as a tank. Other specs, not so much. It will make you a more complete player though for sure. But sadly many people playing DPS don't think in those terms. But ya, I wish there was a M+ like system attached here. I'd love to see how high I can push.

[@JumboCod91]

@@heythereguysitsMetro That's a good point about tanks. I know a few guildmates who've really struggled even in 8 as healers or dps. I can easily see this format becoming a good way to train in a particular role, such as having an npc tank for you but need consistent healing and externals, Kind of how proving grounds worked back in MoP. For now, some classes and role combinations seem to really struggle, so I do understand people's frustrations, but for tanks it is absolutely top tier training, particularly when bran does so much damage and you can focus of learning survival skills which will come is useful in group content. After consideration, the people in my guild who absolutely love delves, all happen to be tanks, or play them as tanks.

[@Bukssy_]

It’s kinda sad that gear from delves will stop being relevant in 2-3 weeks and the whole system will stagnate until the next major patch. I think they will have to rethink boss mechanics if they want to make it fun for everyone. Casters have longer kick cds, some classes lack appropriate self healing and fights focused on kicking important spells and surviving unavoidable rot damage are impossible to balance. I had pretty easy time soloing tier 8 delves on day 1 (demo warlock, didn’t even know you can do them in group, as they were advertised as solo content) but I am sure that for some classes it seemed impossible, especially on day 1 with 580 ilvl and low level Brann. They should tune down unavoidable damage and introduce more avoidable damage that require skill rather than class (kind of like a burning mining cart or tentacles on already designed bosses).

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I agree most importantly with the idea of removing unavoidable damage all together.

[@bigjollyeammon]

I did not choose warrior, warrior chose me

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

How id it in delves?

[@bigjollyeammon]

@@heythereguysitsMetropretty good. I have only been using delves for gearing so I have t gone above tier 8 yet. Fury will work for most delves but there are some times when I just feel more comfortable in protection. You are spot on about needing to think and use your entire kit to get the most out of your class and warrior is no different, especially needing to find good times to spell reflect. When they had those two elites randomly placed in dungeons I did struggle but I think everyone did. Also if that extra shadow of zekvir would show up I couldn’t handle that as fury but I could as prot. With all of the changes it has felt like a roller coaster but overall I have enjoyed delves

[@oneman9620]

I suggest that you try soloing a delve as a dps spec or healer spec on an alt. It’s not impossible, but it’s night and day compared to the BEST spec (bdk). And doing higher than 8 is pretty close tp impossible without dying for many specs. It’s not fun to wait for cds to kill 1 mob over and over again.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I suggest you try doing it as a Blood DK! I only play Blood especially at the start of a season, but I will eventually do them on alts for leveling challenge content on the second channel.

[@WeaselDancingTime]

I have only done solo delves, so far on warrior, hunter and monk at max lvl. Some specs are definitely easier than others but that's ok with me personally, especially with all the progression based on accounts now.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Right, an unsung part of this tbh. You can just level brann up on your alt, then switch to your main if you are having trouble.

[@EASTSIDEDELI]

I main a mw and can almost solo 8s. But recently I've had to swap to tank spec on last boss for some delves bc I was getting dots ticking for 700-900k my favorite part is finding the hidden brann xp caches. One cool thing is I was able to get a 603 weapon with good stats and it procced invulnerability so that saves me a ton of gold.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Nice that's a great item!

[@normannseils3936]

You favorite thing is the „hidden“ brann caches? Then your bar isn’t very high, isn’t it :D

[@RealCecilion]

After the Hotfix the T8s got pretty hard for some classes with no real self sustain. Healer Brann doesnt do that much and if you are not quick on your feet you totally can die in this. Some Delves are also waaaay harder then others. For example the earthcrawl Mines are way harder then some others as assas rogue, since you cant stealth when you have to defeat nerubians who come in waves. While Fungal Folly is a joke, dont need to kill 90% of the delve and the boss is not particularly harder then any other.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

What did hotfixes change for solo delves specifically?

[@RealCecilion]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro Sorry was a normal patch, the hotfix only adressed it, they pretty much upped the damage from enemies in delve. im at 604 as a rogue and if 3 non elite mobs hit me at the same time im half life.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@RealCecilion Where can I read about these changes?

[@fujivato]

The Delve system is pretty good and a much welcomed addition to the game. That being said, it is incredibly surprising that it has come from the same company that created the rift/greater rift system for Diablo 3. Personally, I find the reward/loot system to be poorly considered. I’m a strong advocate for the system being altered so that basic delves reward players with useful items such as crafting mats, coffer key shards and companion xp etc and the bountiful delves with better gear and/or rarer crafting mats. Currently the rewards are predetermined (ilvl 554, seriously? The recommended at tier 4 is like 574). It would also make sense to me for them to make the system more closely resemble the D3 rift/gr system whereby you completed basic delves to get keys to open bountiful delves. Right now, having basic delves be functionality useless and having to do other world content to get coffee keys to access a reduced set of bountiful delves is kinda meh and reminds me of having to grind vessels (or whatever they were called) in BFA to open horrific visions. Delves are so close to being endlessly grindable fun/engaging content across alts and I’m hoping for a Torghast style revamp to fix the reward system to make the game loop worthwhile 😊

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

totally agreed. There are a ton of great ideas they can take from Diablo in general to improve their world content too.

[@turhuuksienrovio533]

Hey metro, do u think the other hero talent tree (San'layn) are worth to take as blood dk?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Not for me, but its getting huge buffs!

[@zoedawn7125]

The scaling in 5 man delves is quite abysmal as it seems damage is basically 5x due to the group size. Means every single mechanic more or less one shots everybody besides a tank. Rogues also find delves impossible due to lack of stealth options. When you vanish mid combat bran doesnt carry on, he actually just leaves the instance for some reason. I’ll see if I can get a video of that.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh that's interested about Brann. Can you stealth past stuff though?

[@bihone4750]

I'm surprised you've found delves this interesting. The mechanics don't feel particularly interesting compared to endgame content like M+ or high end raiding. I was hoping delves would feel as difficult as certain mage towers; I remember when really picking up the game in dragonflight, I wanted a cool mog for my havoc dh. I looked around and saw that mage tower gave an entire transmog set for completing it, so I spent a LOT of time trying to figure out the best ways to deal with havoc's mage tower. It felt super challenging, with lots of mechanics to juggle and dps checks to meet. It felt AMAZING finally beating my first mage tower. It felt like beating a particularly hard souls boss. I know certain mage towers are easier than others (I did vengence's as well and it definitely was much easier, though the mechanics still felt fun to engage with), but delves feel like they're lacking any meaningful mechanical difficulty to them. Most delve bosses just do 1-2 things, it feels like heroic dungeon bosses but even worse than that. I will say I haven't done delves past tier 8 because I don't see much of a reason to, but I'd imagine those tiers don't add mechanics. Wouldn't you prefer they add difficulty in terms of juggling mechanics into these delves?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

The problem with the mage tower for me is that it had nothing to do with tanking. I think that's why I like this content so much. It really makes you have to play your tank well. The game didn't always have that level of mechanical complexity though, and it has always been fun. Adding mechanics just for visual flash isn't needed when getting hit really hard and surviving it is already so engaging for me. But ya, I get it, not everyone loves World Content challenges like I do.

[@johnlinks]

As a priest, who needs a group when you have OP Brann and a mind controlled mob that can do a ton of damage. The only issue is when the boss sometimes resets lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oooh mind control, very good idea there.

[@MrkraZzz]

And then you hit a boss that has an ability that you need to interrupt on a 24 seconds cd and you die because your interrupt has 45 seconds cd.

[@gerrievl]

So ive bin playing this game pretty much since it came out, raided top 1000 guild and got mutiple glad titles so i do consider myself skilled at the game. But when i was doing t8 delves solo on my elemental (602ilvl) vs my dh (570) i was rly sulrised at how much easier it was on a melee. So i started to play to my strengths on my ele. I can do huge aoe so i stsrted to do big pulls around my earth ele cd. Yes some classes have terrible interrupts or barely any def. Cds but they have other stuff to work with. Ppl need to figure out wjat theyre class/specc is good at and abuse that. Good on u that u breeze through them! I dont care i have abit of a harder time cuz am ele. It makes me a better player in the end. Keep it up! I hope u do lime a 1st week m+ recap video. I rly.enjoy those.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Great perspective! Hoping for some amazing moments next week!

[@msf47]

8 i am doing fine i did all of them as a ret .pally ,9 is where the trouble starts .And yes people absolutely need to make their own delve build because if u go in with your DPS build u are going to get wrecked .Maybe delves should be solo only..... that rare mushroom elite that appears on some delves don't even try it he is bugged or something ,maybe is fixed right now but few days ago he hit me for like 3 M poison dmg on T8 .Zekvir wrecked me yesterday on my pally 602 GS

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, well weird thing about that enemy too is his health stays where its at when you die to him. Really odd.

[@pyrosupreme4473]

That was an insane trickshot at 11:12

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

hahaha one of the funniest physical humor moments I have seen in the game!

[@ThreeDog28]

The Candle/Air Purifier Delves are a bummer but the rest of them are a good time for low energy requirement gear farming

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya I don't love those mechanics.

[@DietcokeHD1]

The main problem i have with Delves is they seem to cap at Hero Track Gear. Once im geared enough to do Eight , Mythic+10's a week i don't know how much more ill play Delves for the season. It was supposed to be on Par with Dungeons and Raids but turns out your 1 step below

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

No this is what they said it would cap at when it was first announced. I don't think they can make them hard enough to be the equivalent of the other content tbh.

[@danielgpmarques]

Soloed serveral lvl 8 delves on a fresh leveled VDH (alt), and did it with only DF gear (528,6). Tanks just have it easyer - i main a Guardian, and it was a breeze. Only thing i havent managed so far was that Delve boss we have a quest for.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

528 just as a challenge or what? Why were you that undergeared at max level?

[@danielgpmarques]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Was my alt so i leveled in a couple of hours trough instances and just vendor every drop (none of it was an actual upgrade, specially trinkets). Then for the challenge went on 8s. Did them all with smaller pulls, died only to the last spider boss (the one with the train cart thing). Dunno if it has some scaling involved, but this was done 2 days ago after the first hotfix they did, and tbh, besides the last bosses that were somewhat a challenge, the rest was easy - the shroom ones were weird, but the explosions killed the mobs quicker then my dps would.🤣

[@Regis_Philbin]

on my mage I could get through tier 8 delves pretty easily but on my enhance I would just eventually get killed by autos after I ran out of buttons to press (both around 583-585 when servers went up and I went to try them). I do think the scaling/damage has been pretty funky all around even after each hotfix, and I've got to imagine there are classes having a much much harder time than I was having on enhance. I do think your experience in delves heavily relies on your class because as a frost mage it was really really really fun and rewarding and as a melee it felt pretty frustrating.

[@Regis_Philbin]

Also I did a 5 man before the change, then after they reverted the change, its feels harder now than it did in the first place but definitely not as brutal as people were reporting when the hotfix went out

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Enhance is a tremendous kiter. One of the best really. Think about new ways to play your spec if you are having trouble!

[@MrkraZzz]

Doing them on a monk was fun. Doing them on a shadow priest was a worse experience than Torghast.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, Shadow seems like its gotta be the hardest spec for them. They have Mind Control which is busted, but otherwise no real powerful ability to kite, and a pretty mediocre defensive kit and no real talents to help. Absolutely seems like the worst for it... But can always switch to a healing spec and trivialize it if you need to.

[@knightofwhale2834]

I'm really struggling on boomie myself

[@tefazDK]

I will say i can easily do tier 8 delves (as Brewmaster) EXCEPT when there is a duo called Tala and Velo showing up at random places in the path.... these are soo insanely overpowered that i hardly survive even 10 seconds and get no dmg off. Also tried as windwalker and died EVEN faster. This has happened in multiple delves now. So now i bought a bunch of invis pots for the next time they show up.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya those two are insanely hard. They did nerf them though. But they also only appear on 9 and higher now.

[@rowdyrager-9403]

Delevs are ok. If they didnt allow people to bank the coffer keys pre season 1 release it wouldnt have seem so bad as in, gearing too fast. Season2 figure the devs will reset any stored coffer keys so people wont get to do 4 delves a day 1st week getting geared up quick. You still need to get into M+ or raids to get that higher ilvl if you want it.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, 100 percent agreed all around.

[@TehCheat3]

I've been doing delves across 6 characters because I'm a big solo content fan and I just don't feel like the current iteration is very good. The diablo 3 style of "difficulty" where they just increase mob damage and hp feels really terrible when you switch to a class that doesn't have as many tools to lock down enemies or sustain themselves through their damage. I feel like it would be a lot better if they went the route of visions, tone down the damage scaling a bit but give us the ability to add more mechanics and chaos to the instances. Put more emphasis on avoiding damage rather than living through mobs whacking you for a million damage each. Also holy fuck remove melee crits against non-tank specs why are those still a thing?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I don't like the way they handled visions at all, so I would not be in favor of that. Your thoughts about "avoiding damage" is key here though. You aren't forced to tank these enemies. I imagine there are many strategies each class offer to allow you to do things you'd never expect to do. For example, when I did a Naked Leveling Challenge on an outlaw rogue in BFA, on some enemies I was only able to kill them with pistol shot and other ranged abilities. But it was still totally doable. Now if you saw a rogue out of melee range in M+ you'd laugh all day at him. But in this context, that is not only a viable strategy, but its likely an OPTIMAL strategy, given how much damage Brann can do. Not to mention his ability to take a hit.

[@Fuzzy810]

I have really enjoyed them solo. They need to rethink the keys though as we will run out. Perhaps get some key fragments or something for completing.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, they should give some key fragments from completing non-bountiful delves for sure.

[@russmanYT]

I did them as a mix of fury and prot warrior and had basically no issues except for ?? boss. I'll probably need to get good on my DK to pull that one off unless ilvl just makes it a joke at some point this season. You just have to pull careful and actually..play the game. People in guild were complaining and like "how do you kick 3 casters" They didn't seem to understand you just..dont pull three casters?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@russmanYT lolol ya right!? How about use cc!

[@philipdennison1010]

Delves are cool, but as a healer my heals draw more aggro than Bran and so i have to heal myself /kite when running solo. Much better to go with a friend... EVEN better to have a misdirect onto Bran

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya no doubt, but that is just another way to be a tank. If you can heal yourself while brann kills the enemies, you have done as much as I can on my Blood DK!

[@rhettdepol4629]

The fact that delves reward higher ilvl vault loot than heroic raid is bananas

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

They are really going all out trying to get people in there for sure.

[@s0515033]

​@@heythereguysitsMetroI bet it gets hard nerfed

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@s0515033 You mean you think it will get nerfed AFTER the week it gives us all the power we expect from it? You may not have thought that one through haha

[@s0515033]

@heythereguysitsMetro yes. You only have gotten one vault on tuesday. They have done that before. There is no way the reward structure continues. There are more weeks to go to get guaranteed easy loot. It's too easy for too good of loot. On par with 7 m+ vault according to icy veins. But trivial by comparison. 616 base vault for a glorified world quest.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@s0515033 it's not changing dude. This is all intentional to get people interested in the system. Maybe in season 2 though.

[@keith0377]

At 582 I easily solod a tier 8 Delve with prot pally. Im 590 now and its now trivial content for me. I really dont get it. The gear reward is far too rewarding for something this easy. Crazy to me that you get better gear from an 8 delve than a mythic dungeon.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya well the key system has a big factor in that conversation. They should have made it so you can't carry over past week keys tbh.

[@Galifax2]

this as someone who is planning on getting the delve glory before season 2, and with doing teir 8 delves with family members, delves will be a great addition along with m+ especially once they deal with the tuning I will however say that with 616 ilvl from teir 8 delve vault seems quite low compared to raiding and mythic plus but i dont know if thats intended

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

That's funny, you should talk to the other guy who was saying delves give way too good of gear compared to raiding etc.

[@Galifax2]

@@heythereguysitsMetro well, if i remember correctly, mythic plus and mythic raids will give 630+ gear eventully, why i stated that

[@ThomasBachler01]

@@Galifax2 I think you phrased that a bit badly then. 616 ilvl for tier 8 delves is crazy high compared to their difficulty. What you are trying to say instead (I think) is that you think it is a shame that delves already cap out with rewards at 616 and don't go higher, when M+ and Raid scale higher in regards to difficulty and rewards, right?

[@Galifax2]

@@ThomasBachler01 yes

[@Frothmeister]

I do wish Delves were a bit better for leveling, I was hoping it'd be a fun solo alternative to dungeons for leveling alts. Also I'm sure someone else mentioned this before me, but it looks like you can buy additional keys with undercoin soon? it's currently "locked"

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Its part of the progression tree thingy. You need to get very far into it sadly.

[@musicilike69]

I got a hard check after the nerf they did then removed again, unsure how it is now? Attempted a level 9 and this mob and his fellow that were not there in the lvl 8, Tula or something on the Isle of dorn ones. Couldn't paralyse one, trip or RoP for an interrupt and even being super careful with aggro boom, dead, 2.3 M ticking and then lost all lives to these unstoppable 2mobs in a tunnel. Spear hand strike did work but then the other one slams you with 1.6m dmg and you die on cd. It was a joke. I hope they changed that.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, those enemies are crazy. They did get nerfed substantially but its still the hardest combat in the whole system when they appear. They don't always appear though. One of three mini bosses. The thing is too though, you can actually split them up and that just makes them massively easier. Figuring out how to split pull mobs in Delves is quite crucial tbh.

[@TheHexIV]

1. 100% Agree that they need higher loot for standard delves to help a solo delve player progress. 558 is a joke for T8. It should be at least like Heroic ilvl. 2. It's clear that Blizz really wanted folks to use keys at level 5 to gear up, then go to 6 and use keys, 7, then 8. Not rush to 8. 3. That said, I do believe that this is truely the end game for solo players and it makes sense to be able to get all way to Heroic gear. Leave mythic for very high M+ and Mythic Raid, fine. Although ideally all gear would be available for all types of players. I don't really care if people want only group stuff to give good gear, that's ridiculous as this is a game not a job and it's so toxic. My 12 year old son would love to run all kinds of stuff, and I'm fucking old now... 45...and I think Delves where it will take a season to even get a couple chars to 620s that's fine. While raiders will be there in a few weeks. Isn't that difference enough?!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well said all around.

[@Shishakind86]

Blizz needs to be aware of the fact that delves are not an alternative to M+ / Mythic Raid but rather another gearing assistance aside from the Great Vault, meaning compared to the past seasons, players will ultimatively progress late endgame content faster. If they truly want it to be an alternative, it has to has a way of earning Mythic track gear (I'm not necessarily saying that it should but solely that Blizz needs to know what that kind of content ultimatively will turn out to be).

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Shishakind86 They are aware of that. It intentionally lacks mythic gear. This was discussed at Blizzcon.

[@Shishakind86]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Didn't know that, thanks.

[@slingerland3g]

Lol on that Shaman death!

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

haha ya what a crazy death there. Love how he immediately gets mad at some one else.

[@ravenwollf]

First of all Delve content was not made for me and that is fine, I'm glad they are enjoyable and a good challenge for the players who enjoy them. I hate them I play holy priest and I can heal myself and use my limited controls and at first before the changes I could solo anything sub 8 with little issue in 8 with at the time 585 ilvl priest I could do everything but the last boss in level 8 the content feels like if you are a healer you are not allowed to solo without great headache. After the changes my 600 ilvl priest could solo with challenge, my alt 586 priest still couldn't kill last boss. A lot of the problems for healers solo is Brann has no tank spec I can heal for days and slowly dps things down but if I have multiple mobs on me i will get overwhelmed. brann also takes soooo much damage when you are a healer soloing in groups he doesn't take the same amount of damage. Blizzard please add a tank spec to brann, thank you.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

If they added a tank spec it would be way too overpowered. Priests are actually very good in there though because you can Mind Control. Old school trick is to Mind Control an enemy to death, then grab another one. You just need to think outside the box a bit. You aren't forced to fight multiple enemies much at all in them either. A lot of people don't realize how much you can split pull.

[@Laptican]

0:30 i don't really get why people think just because you're a blood dk then it's really easy. I have done it on dps, healer and tank and honestly i feel like it's way easier to do it as dps than as a tank or healer. Mostly because you're doing alot of damage and if you're playing melee you most likely have some kind of healing.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh ya? interesting perspective. Blood is pretty much built for this type of content tbh. A lot of jealousy there. And it clouds the conversation because I try to help people understand how they can do better and it's just all focused on the class I went out of my way to choose years ago because of how powerful they are in this sort of content lol

[@Laptican]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yea well i can definitely see why some casters are struggling because of the lack of survivalbility and healing. I haven't tried Blood DK yet but as a prot warrior it's incredible easy

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@Laptican Ya no doubt, its just more straight forward. You don't have to change how you play and approach stuff as a tank. I don't even need to change my talents. I was hoping there would be some undead to mind control, but nothing.

[@edwinjuengel4168]

You get undergoing and maps that let you get 610 hero gear at the end. Maps are kind of rare though. I have found 4 across 16+ delves

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

yup

[@Shishakind86]

@@edwinjuengel4168 Did around 20+ t8 delves on my main and got two maps that ended up rewarding the exact same ring lol

[@edwinjuengel4168]

@@Shishakind86 I have found 5

[@TheMisleduser]

Why do people like delves? It's literally just one level of torghast at a time with a npc. Souls ash, those coins. Same thing only difference is it isn't technically tied to player power. Although it is a easy way to gear so for nownit kinda is.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I believe I explained why in the video.

[@CatDad312]

Delves 100% should have stayed solo only. Anytime Blizzard introduces scaling difficulty per group size, they never get it right. I would have preferred more time went into getting Bran’s AI for each role perfect so that all classes can enjoy a similar experience. In hindsight, I think they should have also made Delves a more viable way to level up as well, whereas most people did their campaign once then spammed dungeons for their alts.

[@CatDad312]

That being said, I have greatly enjoyed the added variety and challenge. Having something to do by myself as a solo DK tank has kept me playing a lot more than I would have with just M0’s.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, I agree it should have always just been solo content. I think they don't want to force people into solo because there are a lot of players out there who are hopeless though. But for the health of the system, it should have been solo only.

[@CatDad312]

@@heythereguysitsMetro What I wanted from delves personally was to be able to play a tank with a full tank setup of trinkets, stats and talents to only keep myself and Brann alive. Where Brann’s damage was so good that I didn’t need to play this weird tank/dps hybrid like we see in dungeons. I think Delves can be the perfect tool for solo character growth for getting better at the game if they focus on perfecting Brann’s AI so that he plays similarly to a real player at your item level. As far as the gear goes, it doesn’t feel good outside of Bountiful’s and if they’re going to drop these useless items, at least make all gear outside of the bountiful chest Warbound for alts. I don’t see the point in items dropping in higher delves that are anything lower than the 580s you get from heroics. Even the higher item level trinkets from Delves are generally worse than trinkets from M0’s.

[@sharkstaint1373]

to be fair delves are good solo content , but its too boring , i would say torghast was 10 times more fun , the only thing that made torghast shit is the rewards and it felt too forced to do , if they did something like torghast in war within instead of delves but with the same gearing systeme , it would feel so awesome , nothing better than getting insane powers , and everytime you get some op powers and inexpected rares , now delves feels like you get in , kill bunch of mobs with some anoying side affixes and ofc nothing worst than getting one taped without being able to react , good systeme bad implementation.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Yes, I agree with that. Torghast + Delves would be my favorite content.

[@faxxie9964]

i wish i did the ?? boss when brann carried, i 2 shot the single ? one but the ?? my pet is not literally being hit for 90% of his hp per melee

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya its way harder now. Might be easier as Marksman without a pet tbh, and just kite.

[@bojnebojnebojne]

I play Havoc DH and i have mained it since Legion. My Havoc DH is currently ilvl 602 and is actually unable to deal with Some caster mobs in the delve The Sinkhole from a purely mathematical standpoint. I cannot burst the caster fast enough because it has too much health and 2 casts going through will kill me even with all the self-sustain Havoc has and that is with only that single caster mob. Add more mobs and it becomes virtually impossible to deal with. Sure i could spec over to Vengance tank spec to deal with the delve, but should i really Need to? No ofc i shouldn't. I should be able to clear it as a solo dps. Tuning is really bad, it's that simple to me.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

And you are saying a single one of these enemies is not stoppable between all your stops and Brann's too? What is the name of this enemy so I can look into it further. Or better yet, can you record you doing this delve and struggling, while showing talents and ilvl?

[@bojnebojnebojne]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Ill see if i can record it on OBS when i get some moew coffer keys :P. I can't remember the name off the mob off the top of my head, but it's one of the Elite Caster mobs in The Sinkhole. My issue isn't that it's hard or challenging really, my issue is that a single mob shouldn't be 2 shotting me when i'm at 600 ilvl which is the in game recommended ilvl for T8. I really should not have to go 1 mob at a time. I'm at the recommended ilvl as a Dps player and when i have 4 stops available in the form of Fel Eruption, Chaos Nova, Sigil of Misery and Imprison (assuming Imprison works on the mob) + a 15sec 10yard ranged interrupt / kick. Bare in mind, there are very few places where i actually have the option of fighting these caster mobs alone as well just because of how the layout of the Sinkhole is designed too, with needing to catch a breath every now and then and the casters refusing to move when interrupted, they are stuck where they are.

[@ammertos1517]

Delves were/are badly tuned although we had su9ch a long beta phase. Also, starting tomorrow Delves will be dead. So they are basically the complete waste of time

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Kinda like reading this comment. "The complete waste of time." That could be the title of my autobiography.

[@apotheonffxiv]

There is a few classes and specs I tried that struggle but that just means you need to think about your build and also branns build and finally your playstyle, you cant go in with a mindset of rushing it like m+ sometimes especially when certain packs hit hard. I tried prot pala and ret paladin at 571 ilvl to do tier 8 delves, I did succeed in completing both but it forced me to change my play style during the run to go slower and think about what to pull, bit harder on paladin cause of the chain pull from certain abilities. One of my issues I ran into with Prot Paladin is that their defensive's suck and I got killed by the Earthcrawl mine boss towards 40% hp, compared to the same delve I did on my 571 blood dk it was a breeze compared to prot pala. During my Ret pala run I was getting auto attacked heavily due to plate armor if I recall seeing someone mention certain armor types get different delve scaling. The Ret pala run was the most deaths I had that totaled to 3 all together due to some pulls going too large because of certain abilities hitting additional packs but that caused me to bring taunt out and use it on ret. I really like delves and the goal of them being something you can do solo or with a group with good gameplay that has a decent reward or a great reward for gearing an alt. I think my go to for gearing low ilvl alts is doing delves at tier 8 now before I hop into m+ or do low keys and potentially face disbands etc. Delves are also great in the way that if you run out of lives you can just reset the delve before completing it and it still stays bountiful.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Great points all around!

[@wwhite2958]

I love the delves but it feels kind of weird that m0s are basically useless for gear right now.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hmm I wouldn't say that. You need the currency to upgrade the items.

[@CosmicCleric]

To speak about the start of your video, its not that people are challenging your choice because of you making a choice, its because certain classes have better toolkits for dealing with higher delves, and the population thinks that all classes/specs should be able to do higher delves equally well (a.k.a. "balancing" in class/spec designs). So when you pick a class/spec that is known for having a better toolkit for delves, and hence, an easier time in delves, your opinion is minimized in peoples eyes, not because of you personally in any way, but just because of the class/spec being used to form your opinions. Personally I think of you as a good player (based on your previous videos commentaries), and value watching your videos, but I'm also going to 'subtract points' off of your expert opinion on the matter because of the class/spec you are using. An analogy, its like running a race and someone gets their own starting line ahead of the other races at their normal starting line. Hopefully my explanation is self evident enough, its a nuanced point I'm trying to make, but it sounded like in your video that you though people were attacking your expertise itself.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Oh no. I was trying to say that if your spec is not working out, you should consider why and try to improve your ability to do the content in some way. I was saying THAT because a lot of people are just screaming at Blizzard as if they need to change something for them, when in reality they are basically just playing an "offmeta" pick in content where the meta is strong.

[@CosmicCleric]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Ah, ok, fair enough. But then, are you assuming that all class/specs have a "complete enough" toolkit to be able to complete high-end Delves? Because that goes back to my point and kind of eliminates yours (if I'm understanding you correctly). You can't improve how you build a chair if your toolkit is missing a required wood saw (to pharaphrase). If the toolkit is complete in each and every class/spec, then you're spot on correct.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@CosmicCleric Yes, all classes have a toolkit needed to complete this content. Brann helps with that.

[@CosmicCleric]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I had been reading about quantity of interrupts/CCs, which is why I asked.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@CosmicCleric Big thing that a lot of people likely don't realize is you can split pull just about everything. I have even been able to split pull that duo boss from 9 and up before which makes it totally trivial. I imagine a lot of people simply sprint in and don't try to actually use hard CC or spells not normally used in their kit at all. Which is why I was hoping to see some footage of people failing.

[@vermil4894]

I did t11 delve today. The biggest thing i dont like is how buggy and stupid Brann is. Sometimes he just doesnt do damage for whole delve, and then just randomly starts doing so. Or he is doing damage but its so little its barely contributing. And he always goes into melee range, especially against bosses that do aoe aroud them and he keeps dying. I was trying to do Zekvir today and my 29 lvl Bran just didnt do damage and got feared every 15 seconds. Miserable experience. If they fix this the content is pretty good. I dont like how t11 is last diff, bc its pretty easy even in current gear, but when i meet herald of Zekvir that's a survival challenge. Some way to see loot table would be good too.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, his AI is the worst part haha

[@crackthecorn]

I don't know why they are punishing players that dont raid or m+ , they finally got some good gearing content and blizz bricked it.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

How are they punishing anyone? I don't understand your critique sorry.

[@vikkimg5986]

I like Delves 👍

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

same

[@mjd519]

I can't get past lvl 9 lol. I'm aug eveoker... I like its survivability.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@mjd519 oh ya Aug is probably useless in there haha. But at least you can do 8 easily. Pretty funny. If you can do 8 as Aug then surely everyone can.

[@HotaruGlaive]

Trying to funnel people into the delve system is the issue. They need to stop trying to force people into their new systems. Lots of games have systems they do not try to force players into and players still explore that content because that's what gamers do. For me if a game needs to force me into some content, similar to what mobile games do, then they must not be very confident in their new system so why would I want to try it? It has the reverse affect on me and make me uninterested.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You are heavily overreacting to this. At the end of the day you can avoid them if you don't like them. But expecting blizzard to make new progression systems and not trying to funnel people into them is very selfish of you.

[@JumboCod91]

By next week, nobody will be funnelled towards Delves since you will be able to get equivalent and better gear in M+ with no daily cap. Sure they delayed M+ so people actually tried the Delves at least, but that turned out to be a good thing.

[@ThomasBachler01]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro How can "not wanting to be forced to do something" be selfish? He isn't even arguing that they shouldn't incentivize people to do delves but only that you shouldn't be forced to do something (or do something this much) to get the best level rewards. I don't see how that is ever selfish, as it wasn't even about whether he likes it or not but about the principle of being forced. I understand Blizzard wanting to expose people to the new game feature, but don't you think it would have been the same level of engagement with delves, if t8 delves, heroic raid and capped m+ all gave the same level of vault rewards? Delves would still be by far the easiest and even for people that do HC and capped M+ they would offer additional choices, which most people at that level would still want.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@ThomasBachler01 well to me it does look like he is suggesting they should not be adding these incentives to it because that's how they make people try it. If there was not such good gear very few people would be in there this week. So his argument, as I read it is, stop making extra powerful incentive structures for new content so I don't feel "forced" to do it, and ya that's absurdly selfish. You can just ignore stuff you don't like. No need to get it nerfed for everyone else. And no need to presume your feelings on this are enough for blizzard to not prioritize their new content the way they think is best. It's really self centered more than selfish. Seen this a million times over the years. People don't understand they can just ignore stuff they dislike. They don't have to min max everything in the game.

[@ThomasBachler01]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yea ok fair and I understand where you are coming from after having read some other comments after this - but I think this goes a bit further than just overly "min maxing". If you pug M+ then not doing your delves this week makes it significantly harder to get into pugs next week and missing the start puts you behind again. So, I generally agree with your take and my optimum as (as I wrote before) is that the "new thing" should be slightly better or just as good but easier as other sources for gearing, but I think they overdid it a little bit with how much better the reward is (and should in turn give more rewards from delves in later weeks with higher difficulty or whatever)

[@reudig123lol4]

I absolutely hate the delves... Im just onehit always absolute garbage content... cant wait till wednesday when Its gonna become irrelevant again :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You'd fit in on the forums!

[@reudig123lol4]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Well, I liked Thorgast... getting 2 shot by non Elites is just disgusting ^^

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@reudig123lol4 Have you tried not being meleed by them?

[@reudig123lol4]

@@heythereguysitsMetro Yes, I have ^^ Today I tried one again, had to fight 3 mobs with ranged 2 hit abilities... @Grenadieer TWW, If you wanna watch the crap show :D

[@davidc1373]

"you chose not in blood death knight". That is kind of the point. People like healers or dps of which you will need to do M+ are heavily punished by the delve system. No one would really care about it if it wasn't the strongest source of gear. The game does not exist in a way that everyone can pick blood death knight.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I disagree with that, obviously. Yes if 100 percent of players all picked one spec the game would function poorly. But still, that does not change the fact that you have the power to improve your outcome chances. If you pick a squishy cloth caster and struggle in world content, you should not saying Blizzard needs to change something.

[@davidc1373]

@heythereguysitsMetro If the best gear in the game came from content that was nearly impossible for a blood dk to solo you'd be annoyed top. The community wouldn't care if delves were optional as they were designed.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@davidc1373 that would never happen because I picked a spec that allows me to dominate in solo situations. That was not some coincidence. You chose otherwise. Also knock it off with the gear nonsense. Come back a month from now and tell me you are still wearing this gear.

[@sps3r654]

Soloing T8+ delves as a healer is quite smooth.

[@jackvai2681]

SHOULD DELVES BE DESIGNED SO THEY'RE ONLY OR PRIMARILY BEST SUITED FOR ONE CLASS AND SPEC (IN THIS CASE BLOOD DK)... SERIOUSLY! THE OVERALL SYSTEM IS A GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT. IT SEEMS THAT ANYTHING THEY CONTRIVE, NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, COLLAPSES IN THE IMPLEMENTATION! THEY'RE JUST NOT VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jackvai2681 neither are you, I'd imagine. Turn off the caps lock if you want people to take you seriously.

[@jackvai2681]

@@heythereguysitsMetro CAPS-LOCK DISRUPTS YOUR READING COMPREHENSION FACULTIES? SORRY TO HEAR THAT... I'D GET SOME HELP IF I WERE YOU! AND THE WOW DELVE SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT MY COMMENT ACTUALLY REFERRED TO...IS STILL A JOKE!

[@phatal4573]

my 587 ret pally. crushes 8s

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jackvai2681 Makes you look like an imbecile tbh.

[@KombatGamesKaine]

i dont think you playing BDK invalidates your opinions on delves. I think it might skew them a bit though, as the only experiences outside of BDK you know of are from what your heard. or so i assume. playing BDK for those reasons is 100% fine. its the same reason I like playing bear. but i dont agree with "unfortunately you chose not BDK" or "its the same reason their strong in keys". mage is almost always insanely strong in keys. for their damage. rarely for their utility or survivability. they are, imo, one of the worst classes to delve on. and no1 is picking a class for delves. ex. arcane looks like a potential meta m+ spec. lots of ppl playing it for that. but now they are slaughtered in delves, which is not the content they chose the class for, but need to do. you're right the game will never be perfectly balanced. but i feel like this is a level of imbalance that is waaaaaaay to much.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

It really isn't. People are overexaggerating this and frankly it seems like a skill issue. Show me your tier 8 delves you can not solo as arcane. I want proof.

[@KombatGamesKaine]

@@heythereguysitsMetro um, no? my mage is an alt. i dont claim to be a pro mage. that does not change the fact that the toolkit of a mage makes t8 delves INFINITELY harder than the toolkit of a BDK. can it be done? sure. is it too hard? yes. you claiming skill issue AND people are overexaggerating when the entirety of you opinion on delves is based 100% on you playing the class that has by far the best toolkit to do so is insane. you have nothing to base that claim on.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@KombatGamesKaine Then show me proof.

[@leathecookiemonster]

When the recommended ilvl is 603 but most people doing the 8s are well below that I'm not surprised there's complaints about the difficulty! I'm not a fantastic player but I have managed them on a 580 dev evoker which was a struggle on end bosses, but now at 590 they feel much more doable and I did one without dying :D

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Great point there too.

[@WatchThemFall]

They're pretty lazy, tbh. They all have basically the same objectives, same trash mobs that do the same things, and all the bosses do the same 4 or 5 mechanics. They even reused the "unique" mechanics like the underwater breath thing and the shrinking safety ring when you move. They're already repetitive after a week, much less an entire expansion.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Would you say Mythic+ and Raid content offers considerably more diversity in its landscape weekly over the course of a season?

[@WatchThemFall]

@@heythereguysitsMetro At least dungeon bosses and raid bosses have unique mechanics. In M+ routes and strats evolve over time. There's no mechanics to learn or overcome in delves after you've learned one of them. In terms of solo content both brawler's guild and mage tower have more enemy and mechanical variety. Raiding definitely has variety as you spend months learning the bosses on mythic, every week you're mastering new mechanics.

[@enzoshink7597]

I wouldnt mind delves if they didnt delay m+ for it... games is boring as hell for me rn. Delves are not challenging enough and the fact that you can solo it is kinda meh, M+ is still the best content IMO and i hope at least the casuals are having fun with it.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Delves are plenty challenging. I guess you haven't explored them fully? Either way, they didn't actually delay M+ for it. This was a common thing they have done for years, and now that zeros have replaced low keys, I think it was the right choice with or without delves.

[@jerm5930]

Cringe statement at the beginning, comparing bdk to cloth classes is a STRETCH. There is for sure a skill curve to all classes having to figure out the best way for them to complete the delve but saying you are doing anything special as bdk is disingenuous.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

You may have misunderstood what was said there. Severely misunderstood actually.

[@jerm5930]

@@heythereguysitsMetro not really. blood dk has to do nothing special in a delve and the way you did tricks on its dick was impressive.

[@jerm5930]

@@champboehm7863 solo them all on multiple classes with no problem, I think learning how to utilize the most of your class to get through a delve solo is fun but bdk does not have to do any of that is all im saying lmao. priest having 45 interrupt and getting 1 shot by melees is not fun and not necessarily their fault "for picking their class and having to deal with it" if it sucks (which it does for some classes)

[@jerm5930]

@@heythereguysitsMetro nope not at all I agree if most people aren't beating it they arent playing the class to its full potential but saying its their fault for picking that class, then a random new piece of content comes out and it happens to suck for them then they have to work around a way worse experience most people is cringe, and blood dk does get a watered down experience with their skill floor being probably the lowest of them all.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@jerm5930 what you just typed tells me you didn't understand it brother.

[@Mduffy-yo6rb]

I’m playing frost mage @ tier 8 and I have not had a problem clearing tier 8s. I actually stopped doing groups because I had people dying too many times and risking loot. So if anyone is playing and you’re complaining that you’re dying. It’s your fault. If you’re not adaptive, then you’re going to need to raise your ilvl. OR learn.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Glad we agree. If you can do it as a mage, anyone can do it.

[@TpOpKorN]

This should be a solo content period. it doesnt have to be group. Its okey to have a solo content only, we had that on legion

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I agree.

[@bynamscott5564]

I honestly feel bad for Blizzard, I really do.. Community wants a progression solo content ,developers provide that BUT first thing community do is try to find a way to exploit it on some way, for example running it with more ppl to make it trivial.... I was reading in gchat that 5 man grps could like one shoot mobs, yes its Blizzard faults for not scaling that but its the community fault as well for exploiting it. Probably stupid take but seriously how many ppl did run delved in grp just because its much much easier than doing solo? Also where the fuck is everybody rushing,like I just wanna know that? If thats your style of playing then find but dont bitch about it later... Reading delves chat and seeing how 577 players cant solo delve tier 8, like motherfucker its mean to be progression, you need better gear, recommended for that tier is 600+ if I remember well. In my opinion, Delves should have been a solo content only but then ppl would bitch how they cant play with friends or lets be real, cant get carried... I just wanna give Blizzard a hug, they just cant win with this community it feels like lol Also somebody saying that Delves gear wont matter in incoming weeks, what? You can literally park an alt in front of delve, run it under 15 minutes and you got yourself a piece of gear in vault, am I wrong on this? I am having a blast playing,Delves are great, I dont care that I can solo delve on my BDK but I cant on my survival hunter (havent tried higher ones but if community is right then I shoudnt be able to solo on surv hunter) because I know I will reach that point when I can solo it on hunter as well with gear, not rushing anywhere, got my goals for the season and working towards them

[@jaklg7905]

I agree it should stay solo. Sadly, the loudest group is the small minority of ultra players. The majority of players are casual and Delves are who those are supposed to cater to. A few bad apples ruin things for everyone else.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well said all around.

[@Duhchinski]

Delves are incredible for solo players with less time on their hands and will be incredible for hardcore players as a means of gearing alts for higher tier raiding and mythic plus. I love the system. People who say delves are a failure because they will be irrelevant in a few weeks are being incredibly shortsighted.

[@normannseils3936]

@@Duhchinskibut they are (Irrelevant that is) Hardcore“ players as you say with just take their alts into m+/farmraids or just craft all their gear. And it’s more fun content.

[@1scoop]

I've tried to do tier 8 delves solo on a 590 havoc DH and even in small pulls, the enemies melee hits alone do enough to kill me in about 5-10 seconds even with defensives and lvl 25 healing brann. Swapping to vengeance (which i should not be forced to do in casual content) still chunks me hard and I've died numerous times, not to mention it's quite a lot slower. I push high keys on my demon hunter and know the kit very well, but solo literally takes 5x longer than group delves when perfectly min maxing my class (if i somehow manage to not die). I also don't think it's possible to do it on havoc alone with my current gear unless I use all CDs every pack and wait between pulls for CDs to come up again.

[@kye4216]

Don’t use Healer Brann it’s a waste of time just have him on DPS and kite enemies when you are taking too much damage.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Would you be able to record that? I am looking to see players unable to solo tier 8 delves, and I'd like to see your talents and ilvl upon entering. Either way, the delves are set up so you CAN use all CDs every pack. Or just use your Hard CC and ranged abilities as you need. Just because you are a melee spec doesn't mean you also need to be in melee to kill stuff in here. I did a naked leveling challenge on an outlaw rogue in BFA and many enemies only died due to pistol shot and other ranged spells.

[@dragonslayerbond]

I feel like people can't acecpt the fact that delves are meant to be hard content. Solo content has been easy for so long that if solo content gives a player difficulty they are more like to blame the game for being 'wrong' then they are to accept the difficulty of the content. It's week 1 and people aren't geared, you wouldn't expect an easy challenge for a HC raid or a +5 M+ which drops around the same level of gear but people seem to expect that from delves. That said some delves are way harder then others and that does need to be addressed. Maybe I'm completely wrong but that's my take on it

[@normannseils3936]

When the difficulty of delves for non tanks comes from surviving unavoidable damage it’s not a good system.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Nope, you are correct on all this. In fact I forgot about this until some one else mentioned it, but it even says you are meant to be 600+ ilvl to do them etc. Basically, people in this game expect everything to be given to them anymore, and because solo content usually means "easy" they overreact. Sadly most of the people who would be catered to with solo content are just hopeless casuals who only prefer solo content because they refuse to work towards getting better at the group content that has classically been considered the end game. I believe the lack of transparent footage of the actual difficulty coming forward is evidence of that. Some how everyone is complaining, but no one can show me footage of them failing.

[@mattstamp699]

It's gone from tough and rewarding - now it's too easy due to the weird elites being taken out completely. Blizzard just needed to nerf the weird elite's damage by 30-40%.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

they just moved them to 9

[@ryan1mcq]

Blood dk in delves are easy shocker. Try a tier 7 or 8 as a solo clothie

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Or why not just try them as a Blood DK?

[@hameed]

Not a fan of delves due to the weird balancing. It's like a worse mage tower in every single way, and tedious, to be frank. Granted the mage tower challenges are catered to certain specs while delves arent, but enemies being giant HP sponges with little to no interesting mechanics isn't very fun content

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

couldnt disagree more!

[@hameed]

@@heythereguysitsMetro how dare you I’d just like to see less sponginess and more mechanics

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@hameed right ya that's kinda why I disagree so heavily. There are plenty of mechanics considering it's solo and nothing feels spongy other than that one mob type. The tall spider caster. Feels like it's got way too much health. Every other combat is very short. But that may change with these new brann changes. guess we need a follow up video at some point haha

[@hameed]

@@heythereguysitsMetro I will say it felt a lot better before they started tweaking things on friday

[@gabegood8989]

I refuse to touch the next Choreghast

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Don't do content you don't enjoy, 100 percent. But you are missed out this time! It was amazing and a really good source of power.

[@Sp0okt4rd]

Undercoins can be used to buy keys. I believe theyre 2k coins each so its clearly expensive at the start of the season but they do exist as catchup sorta. Once ppl buy all their cosmetics there wont be much to buy cept more keys.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Sadly you can't buy keys until you are very far along through the progression system.

[@Sp0okt4rd]

@@heythereguysitsMetro oh ya u gotta unlock stuff i forgor XD