Optimizing my Backhand Ep.2 | Nose Angle Fully Rectified

[@alexhickman2945]

Just the way you talk about throwing a disc is inspiring. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making these videos

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@alexhickman2945 and thank you for the kind words!! It means a lot

[@Kyle_Lindell]

If someone finds these videos "tedious" then doing drills that you're demonstrating probably isn't for them anyways. I enjoy the content as it is.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@Kyle_Lindell I’m glad to hear it!

[@IronGoober]

I agree. It's very helpful to watch the whole progression and your progress as you try things.

[@zackyproy]

Agreed

[@BlitzDG]

Awesome to see everything working exactly to plan man. Can’t wait until it’s time to go all out! You are such a phenomenal example of identifying the issue, making a plan, and sticking to it. Results speak for themselves.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Thank you brotha! The stuff you showed me up in WA has been a game changer so I'm happy to keep leveraging it

[@MattRobertsonDG]

No one came here for a shirt on Nick Krush video 😂 Mate I can’t wait to see how this comes together with launch conditions like that. So pumped for you!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@MattRobertsonDG 😂 crazy how i almost slipped up for the whole vid. Thanks stopping by brotha 🤝 we will hopefully see some nukes soon

[@MattRobertsonDG]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit hhaha that would have been terrible! Absolutely! Looking forward to a catch up when I've got some more time, sorry for being a stranger

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@MattRobertsonDGno worries! We’ll get around to it when the time is right

[@Dayphid]

Love your approach and what you’ve been working on. Small suggestion on the edits. I think you should throw the distance of the throw or the tech disc numbers after each throw instead of before the throw. It’s more satisfying to see the throw and then see the result. Love what you’ve been doing man keep crushing.

[@Mode1RC]

Awesome content, love it. So much to learn in this sport. Oh and the real Nick shows up at 9:03.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

hahaha true, and thanks for supporting!

[@pistevilleDG-x8v]

Most waited video on the internet! Great to see your proggress!

[@nordicdiscgolferatrumble9430]

Yay, new vid. Will watch when I get home

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

😎

[@lanceknightmare]

Slowly unpacking these two parts. I have not mentally unpacked both videos over the several days I have been watching. I watch however much of the video my attention span will allow. I focus on one part of the form in drills. Rewatch the video later on. Try something else out in my drills. I do not have a net and I do not have the money to get a net. I just throw in my backyard and on the course. Yesterday, I tied my personal best game. Which is +3 paring 6 holes on the 9 hole course in my town. I have been focing on trying to get my throwing angle more consistent. I throw in the power pocket. Actually elbowing the air with the disc in my hands first to get my disc into that pocket before I do my run up. It has really helped with accuracy and throwing more loosely has helped with distance.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@lanceknightmare that’s great! It sounds like you are applying some of the concepts well to hit that personal best round score already 🙂

[@nordicdiscgolferatrumble9430]

Cant wait for the new method tutorial! Love yr stuff! 🙌

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

thank you for the support!

[@discsmd]

I love this! Thanks so much! Seeing how you approach this really helps. BTW I had some dude comment on my video today say no one that throws over 500 ft pulls the disc into the deep pocket. I may reference you in my reply to him...lol

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

You're welcome! The pocket depth at high speeds and power levels is interesting because we are trying to get the disc as deep as possible ASAP but the body rotates away from the disc so fast that it sometimes causes the illusion that the pocket wasn't deep. I wonder if that's the commentator's perspective on it. Either way, it's always good to shoot for a deep pocket to maximize leverage on the disc even as we approach max power!

[@discsmd]

@NickKrush.DGandFit yeah man, that's it for sure. I would love some honest feedback from you and Clint on some of my stuff. Love what you two are doing and respect your opinions!

[@andreasericsson6989]

Can't wait to see the tutorial for fixing nose angle. I've gone from 6-10 degrees up to 2-4 up, and the difference is about 25m at 100-ish km/h (so 62-63mph). I think I can get another 25m with a 2-4 degrees nose down instead. The only downside is that I keep having to replace discs in my bag, as the previously flippy ones now tend to roll. Btw, can you also do a detailed breakdown of your grip? Like, where do you put pressure, do you squeeze your thumb in any direction, etc. For more spin, one thing that worked for me was just taking my grip, then holding it firmly while equally firmly pulling against the grip with my other hand. I don't know why this works for me, but it very consistently adds around 100-150rpm, which is just free distance.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

That's another good video idea! And I agree, you should pick up another solid chunk of distance when you get the nose all the way down.

[@LiopleurodonJuice]

This progression works really well. I did a few sessions into a net then tried it in the field this week. I ended up throwing well over 300 ft with really slow x steps. I normally struggle to get over 250. Looking forward to grinding it out some more!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Let's goo! I'm glad the procedure is working out well and a job well done to you for executing it so well 🤝

[@LiopleurodonJuice]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Thanks man! I did a few more sessions and these are my takeaways: The easiest way to generate power from a one leg is to just let the left side drop and let gravity do the work. This translates well to the one step and x step for easy power. I'm getting >50 mph with a no effort x step which I think is perfect for my goal of easy over 300 foot throws. Also, the finger progression for nose down is great. All my throws on the tech disc are nose down since implementing this. Looking forward to your video on this!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@LiopleurodonJuice thanks for reporting back! That's good data for me to take note of. 50mph should give you effortless 300ft golf lines especially with the improved nose angle

[@camhoffdg]

For those who haven't tried the grip thing it does work. It's a scientific wonder.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@camhoffdg 👆yup! And people reading this go sub his channel because the origins of the method are tie back to his training

[@camhoffdg]

@NickKrush.DGandFit thanks bro! Already looking forward to the next time we get to train in person

[@BlitzDG]

@@camhoffdg100% based on discoveries from your video!

[@camhoffdg]

@@BlitzDG cool! I was telling nick in dm that im glad i could be a paradigm of problems (at least now i am since they have gotten fixed) haha

[@GodsNumberOneSon]

I haven't ever found a good video on adding spin to the disc. If you could do one, I'd watch it. I've seen some that give some "ideas" but nothing that really specifies this is what you need to do to increase spin when throwing. I struggle with high speed, low spin, i.e. 70ish but only 1k rpm.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

that's a good video idea! I'll add it to my list and hopefully make it soon

[@twofifty6]

Yes! The lower back remaining stress free is key, especially as I play a bunch lately. It’s definitely that I’m playing more and not old age creeping on me, right? Right?!? 😅 I’ll definitely try this progression on my TechDisc and see how it goes. Thanks!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

You're welcome and best of luck!

[@adambroussard8192]

I’ve recently implemented a more middle loaded grip and it seems to have helped my effortless distance a lot. Kinda joey buckets looking grip. I did have it very much loaded in my front two fingers. I need to tech disc it to see what’s changed

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@adambroussard8192 that’s great, it sounds like you found the sweet spot for your throw with that middle load. I bet your nose angle is solid if distance got better!

[@kleinking364]

Damn dog, you own that nose angle!

[@bobbybobman3073]

Tbh I need to rebuild my x step then actually learn a "run up" I've always been a "keep it simple" run up guy, at most I'd start with a moderately wide straddle, push off the left leg, immediately drive it into the x step and bring the right leg forward for the plant/brace. But historically that has only really ever consitently gotten me maybe 30-50 more ft when I had it working properly and "dialed in" realistically most the time it made my average no better than a standstill and max range about 20' further. Once I can figure out an a run up, I'm pretty confident a consistent 500' is on the table. That being said getting my putts and my upshots dialed in will make me much better than me getting another 150ft on my drive even. 400-450 is pleanty for all but the most elite disc golf levels, I truely need touch shot shaping and predictabilty more. Also I need a reverse spin throw.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@bobbybobman3073 absolutely 👍 the x step offers a lot of extra power once we get our balance and timing at least as good as our short run up or standstill throws

[@pistevilleDG-x8v]

I have been adding turn the key to get nose down, but have found issue that it promotes anhyser sometimes.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Absolutely, there are always some timing inconsistencies early on with movements like that but often irons itself out over time (GG and Gannon do it) but minimizing those sensitive timing components is always good when possible

[@SamuelB-]

Not sure if this is your area of expertise, but would be interesting to see a video on discgolf specific injury prevention / recovery routines etc.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

I'm planning on making some more detailed ones 👍 for now I have a backhand arm care video on my channel and a warmup routine video which are both great for those purposes.

[@SamuelB-]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit cool, been having elbow issues this season. Need to have a look at that video!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@SamuelB- I hope you feel better soon!

[@SamuelB-]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Thanks Nick, doing what I can with stretches, icing etc..

[@ContentsMayDiffer]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. What level of ab engagement are you aiming for? I know that this is a very subjective thing, but is it engagement for the sake of keeping an optimal posture, flexing, maximum bracing for a punch-like impact or somewhere in between? Your active post-throw exhale makes me think that it is quite an effort, but I could be interpreting it wrongly.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@ContentsMayDiffer great question, for me it feels like light contraction just to get some body awareness connected to my rectus abdominus (six pack muscle) and transverse abdominus (internal abdominal muscles). It then bears down hard when the throw happens, where the intra-abdominal pressure releases after the throw (when we hear the exhale)

[@ContentsMayDiffer]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit That makes sense, thanks a lot for the detailed reply.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@ContentsMayDiffer you're welcome👍

[@ERICWAGNERSLUCID]

If you don’t list the specific weight of the disc, and the elevation where you are throwing, even wind speed and direction are essential for full comprehension of disc flight. All these factors are needed for complete analysis. An accurate scale is essential for advancement. Also, every disc has a slightly different shape: flat, domed, old or scuffed. Still … great videos for training purposes! Thank you very much.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

you're welcome!

[@mikkelisaksenrobinson]

Man! You are my favorit disc golf instructor :D How much do you compete in tournaments?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

That's awesome man :) and I haven't competed in a tournament yet but may start doing it after I've finished with my form changes. I will be doing the USGC distance contest in October though!

[@mikkelisaksenrobinson]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit very cool

[@samhowl1152]

You said you're holding the disc with the ring and pinky fingers, but not the first two fingers? When you throw, are you saying the back two fingers should be creating pressure but not the first two?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Yes, for the one-leg throws I am only holding the disc with those back two fingers, then I add the other two fingers into the grip on standstills and up while maintaining the primary squeeze pressure still coming from the back fingers, with the front fingers and thumb fairly relaxed.

[@kleinking364]

Really love the work you're putting in. Is your pursuit mainly distance, or are you a competitive golf player grinding weekly league nights, also practicing all the other elements of competitive disc golf? I mean, I know 1000+ rater players that only throw 400' I mean you could just stop form work now and spend the rest of your life on putting! It's just amazing how many facets there are to the game, but I suggest people watch people throw from the side and watch their nose angle, not just watch from behind the disc at the T pad. You cant see how junky a nose up shot looks from the T. Boy, you can really see that the better thrower tame that nose angle. Im going to try rear loading my power grim next session, but then somehow still maintain thumb pressure if that makes sense. Thanks!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Glad to hear it! I'm working on putting most days in my apartment (with my practice basket) with the goal that one I'm done with my form changes, I can hone in on shot execution and forehand to round out the game before I enter tournaments 👍

[@kleinking364]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Nice. Tournament play is a whole different universe. I was known as a far thrower for my age and overall athletic talent, and I got chewed up in tournaments from the nerves and missing putts, but im battling back and one day I will have victory. It's just such a time commitment to travel around and play different courses and you have to have both sides, you have to have at least a 300' flip up reliable forehand too. Guys are good, I love disc golf!

[@kleinking364]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit You obviously have world class distance. How far and accurate can you flip up a stable disc and let it fade back on a golf line that your could repeat over and over. If you can hyzer flip 550' and have you stable discs all land in some what of the same spot regardless of wind and conditions you will really put the hurt on guys on an open course. Man that would be awesome to see their faces if they never saw you throw!

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@kleinking364 550ft seems to be my max for somewhat usable golf lines right now (hyzer-flip to slight turn and fade with Luster Emp or Star Boss), I think I can push it closer to 600ft if I get up to the 78-80mph range though 👍 If it's a tight fairway or I have to throw a taller hyzer 500ft is usually around the limit for me.

[@kleinking364]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Unless your playing the pro tour your not needing over 450 if you could do a 500 hyzer no flip just on hyzer stable disc that would be such a nasty weapon. I cant say ive ever seen that happen anywhere in real life, but I would freak out if someone cold lay the law down like that on a course. Saweeet!

[@m.paulford7564]

Seems like with the tech disc and net drills everything is coming out on a lot of hyzer. If I’m trying to learn how to throw flat more consistently can you explain how that would translate in those drills?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@m.paulford7564 you can adjust the spinal hyzer tilt (that I’m using here) to more of a flat shot spinal tilt for the drills and they should work perfect for your goals 👍

[@m.paulford7564]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit did you explain the grip in the first video? I front load most of the time because I’ve seen that’s supposed to help with nose angle but here it’s the opposite.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@m.paulford7564 correct, the first episode should have more explanation but I'm going to make a full tutorial soon. Backloading will bring the nose down and frontloading usually brings the nose up (although there are some exceptions and this isn't the case for everyone)

[@m.paulford7564]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit word. Appreciate it I’ll check out the first one. Been loving all the videos keep it up 💪🏼

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@m.paulford7564 you're welcome!

[@christernordberg6598]

Backloading and pour the coffee increases my nose angle. Turn the key is the only thing that’s work

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

Usually this happens when the hand flexes back up into radial deviation and the humerus reverts to external rotation just before release (from the body having strong habits). What will also help is to make sure you are getting a deep pocket, that way the nose angle will be more determined by your ulnar deviation angle (pouring cup of tea) rather than hand supination angle (from turning the key). This will be much more consistent for angle control and wobble 👍

[@pistevilleDG-x8v]

Can you open up what you are doing when you keep abs engagad. Is it like waiting for a punch to stomach or something else?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

It's sort of like that, I feel a light contraction in the abs to flex my spine around the disc and then I really feel the core muscles engage harder during the throw

[@pistevilleDG-x8v]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Oh thanks! Is that flex part like sucking your lower ribgage in?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@pistevilleDG-x8v That's a good way of saying it, you can feel the bottom of the ribcage getting pulled down to the front of your pelvis from the contraction. It also kind of feels like you are "hollowing out your body" because of of the transverse abdominis activation

[@OkieTradez]

this Pro from Europe told me flat release is even better than nose down.. what do you think?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@OkieTradez I’m not sure of the context from how they said that so I don’t want to say I agree or disagree, but in general the physics and empirical data are showing that anywhere from 0 to -5 nose angle is a decent ballpark to be in 👍

[@Joecuzzi]

@@NickKrush.DGandFit Is it possible to have the disc too far nose down?

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@ it absolutely is possible, I’d shoot for a (nose + launch = 6 degrees), so if you are throwing less than 10 degrees nose it will be awkward to launch high enough and still throw a somewhat flat golf line.

[@bobbybobman3073]

Look "deep tedious" info is fantastic, sure there is a "market for more fun videos". BUT that info is the stuff that actually sets you apart largely tbh man throws disc 550-700ft ... Interesting a few times here and there. But frankly information is cool/important to those wanting to learn.

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

@@bobbybobman3073 happy to hear it man!