The single best cue I have found to fix your backhand form

[@NickKrush.DGandFit]

The 🐐 cue and it’s not even close

[@the-tee-less-traveled-discgolf]

Can confirm as a recipient of its benefits forever enshrined on KZbin. Haha

[@LUNATIK1994]

To be able to say "disc inside of you" so many times without a slipup or giggle is a Herculean feat of pronunciation and maturity. Well done sir

[@BlitzDG]

I'm a berg lover.

[@DrewFerrigno]

Don't forget the "deep inside of you" moments

[@yggyking10]

I just found my power pocket! It was hidden in my right armpit this whole time!! I focused on pull to armpit today on the course and reached 340 feet (114 paces, my pace is reliably 3') - on a golf line, slight flex, no wind, level ground - with a 9 speed Insanity. Normally I max out at about 310' with an 11-speed Wave. I'm not ready to say this is revolutionary, but I think it's the cue I needed for the next evolution of my form.

[@dgspindoctor]

Nuggets of gold here, my man! I've been using the cue "hide the disc behind the bicep" and never stop. That means, you need to curl in and follow through, and that's all there really is. Keep at it!

[@BlitzDG]

Thank you! 🙏

[@NWKastaways]

This reminds me of your spaghetti arm drill. When I’m about the hit point with a stiff spaghetti part of the drill, the disc gets really deep into my chest.

[@blakevanhouten1672]

I think rethinking how we explain form is just as important, like you’ve done in this video. I got to play a round with Gannon this fall and his advice was rather than to think about reaching back. Think about moving your body around the disc. Helped correct some flaws for me, helped get things moving forward more efficiently. Looking forward to trying this drill out.

[@TJ.Lewisdale]

All this tip got me was a trip to the ER and I’ve been shittin pancakes ever since

[@heathenbyheritage2095]

Lmfao chocolate chip?

[@garrettcoons2287]

Omg I think you fixed my problem with getting my elbow up with trying to get it to my armpit. That’s a genius way to say that

[@nealwagenman8764]

I just implemented this cue concept, along with your SS tutorial technique (upper body only), into my slow run-up form and it's likely the best change I have made. What felt like my weakest throws(which also felt the smoothest) were the longest. Great info!! Explained and demonstrated very well.

[@angrybuzzy]

I just found some of your vids and your explanations and examples are amazing. Rock on, BlitzDG.

[@samwich248]

Coming to this vid late, had a frustrating field sesh today where I couldn’t crack 460+ after throwing 500 in the recent past. Gonna try reframing my next session and taking it slow with something like that drill

[@isCarsonMiller]

What really helped me with this technique was thinking of my elbow like a hinge, whereas other tips like "leading with your elbow" (while not wrong) had me using the elbow as a leading point to pull forward. If you hold out for as long as possible keeping the disc coiled in towards your body, that hinge will fling open and whip forwards way more than just following your elbow with your throwing hand.

[@ortay3]

It must me tough to run a KZbin channel when you can teach the game in three videos. Excited for the forehand video!

[@ContentsMayDiffer]

Checking in after using this cue since the video was posted, and it most definitely helps. It helps a lot.

[@nordicdiscgolferatrumble9430]

I havent tried yet. Did it help u with power? Nose? Both?

[@Jb-ei9fp]

The cue that helped me most was the distance thrower guy saying something akin to pull through your armpit. In other worse try to pull that disc to your right arm pit (for rhbh). Hands down that cue helped more than anything when I plateaued.

[@OneFocusPhotos]

This is insane! This whole time I've been pushing out cause I didn't know it automatically did. I've been stuck at 250ish ft and 50-53mph on the tech disc. Really excited to see what this does for me!

[@OkejDator]

What did it do?

[@OneFocusPhotos]

@@OkejDator haven't got to fully test it due to the weather. Plan on it very soon. If not later this week.

[@sixxstring2983]

@@OneFocusPhotos What did it do for you?

[@the-tee-less-traveled-discgolf]

Ayo other commenters. Before you hate on this, give it a go. Before this video dropped i personally worked on this cue and it is what helped me get to consiatemt 480 500.

[@wiguwigi3804]

I have been playing for a long time and once again learned something new! I can see it verywell in Seppo Paju's form. He looks he tries to keep the disc as inside as possible even during the backswing.

[@noahdensmore6016]

Why am I just seeing your videos just now for the first time! 😂 wow your vids are incredible thank you 🎉 can't wait to learn more from you!

[@kevinbuesing5531]

Just got back from throwing this morning. My backhands were consistently better, and had more snap/spin while attempting to integrate this cue!

[@HaikesXO]

I’ve been stuck around 340-375 for so long .. going to give this some practice tomorrow in the field.

[@OkejDator]

Any difference?

[@HaikesXO]

@@OkejDatornope ! lol

[@kazenix87]

Great stuff dude! I know in our chats you have had me working on other things, but I have had my own secondary focus of trying to get the feel for driving through the deep pocket. I've had a few glimpses of it doing what it's supposed to do, and as I keep working at it, I'm getting it more often.

[@BlitzDG]

Hardest worker in the discord. :)

[@Miskatonicmassacre]

This is a stellar que.

[@E.Williams-z9y]

Tried this advice this morning. Reaching way out did help to bring it back in. Improved spin rate a bit, but more importantly I was consistently getting the higher spin. Need more work and then move on to speed and nose angle improvements.At the moment I seem to get either speed or spin but not both. I recently found that the easiest way to gain distance was to go to high altitude and throw in thin air.

[@E.Williams-z9y]

Used the Techdisc again this morning. Spin and speed have slightly improved. Saw highest spin rate and speed ever today and greatest simulated distance. From where it hit the net I guess the disc would have been 30 degrees off to the right. Slowly getting better. This videohas really helped. Thanks.

[@thomasberglund]

Two questions. Q1. How do you avoid tensing up too much in the shoulder and trapezius area when pulling the disc deep into the pocket like this? Q2. How would you progress from the drill to a more compact and simple throw without the large windmill arm movement? Simon Lizotte talk about keeping the throw as simple as possible without big arm movements.

[@BlitzDG]

1. It does take time to not tense up, and setting up like the drill helps understand that the posture setup is super important to prevent pinning and shrugging. 2. I would use this cue to gain speed for as long as you're gaining, and then cut the cue and only tap into that power as you can control it, and is needed for the shot. You are not super deep pocketing a 200 foot gap shot. This is for POWER. Most people have enough control and not enough power, or control WITH power.

[@thomasberglund]

@@BlitzDG Thanks! Will give it a try. Thanks for the video and the reply. Much appreciated. I see a quite a few of the pros practice throwing heavy medicine balls sideways into a wall. That could maybe help finding a better feeling for how the timing of the brace is giving power to the throw as well?

[@BlitzDG]

I mean it's mostly to strengthen and sharpen those rotational and bracing muscle and connections I think. It definitely wouldn't hurt you to train in general. Whether general fitness or disc golf specific fitness

[@thomasberglund]

@@BlitzDG I tested this drill today. I struggled to get into a deep pocket with the big outward movement. I then thought about something both Gannon Buhr and Simon Lizotte do which is to hold the disc more in a suitcase style. This really helped keep my shoulder and arm more relaxed while keeping the disc closer to the body into the deep pocket. Combining the suitcase style with the deep pocket throw really made a big difference to me. Suddenly it felt easy to get into a deeper pocket and the disc rips much faster out of my hand. It also helped me automatically get the nose down for some reason. 300 ft now feels almost effortless. Don’t know if this is useful to others out there, but might be worth testing. I will keep exploring. Thanks again for the queue about getting the disc inside. That really helped as well!

[@haloslippin6894]

Very interested to try this out. Been struggling to gain power on my throws.

[@SpeedZicou]

Tried this one in the field today with one of two results. 1: disc uncurling before the deep pocket, resulting in early and very wobbly release. 2: managing to keep the disc curled, but mostly resulting in very high, late and hyzer releases. I will give this a couple of more sessions, hopefully with better results.

[@BlitzDG]

The very high,late,hyzer is what you're looking for. Work the timing of that.

[@MrDilwo]

The drill reminds me a lot of Paul Omans form, he does that exaggerated loop around himself before he throws.

[@ConsensusReality]

great job ... thanks

[@NickCarroll]

I love this cue! I'll try this today - thank you!

[@mikehan3130]

This is good stuff. Unfortunately when I started, the guidance was to throw the off arm inside to start the pull which messed me up for a long time.

[@LuckyDogwood]

Maybe this is better for more spin, but inside out feels so much better for timing and accuracy especially with a run up for me at least. Niklas anttila makes it work outside in, but most pros do seem to go inside out. Outside in or inside out the cue is the same and a solid one, I'll have to try it!

[@BlitzDG]

Totally agree! You can definitely do "TOO MUCH" of this, and get crazy spin but lower MPH. It's a balance. I find most people don't do enough.

[@Winton-fam]

Love this!

[@winstonsmith8082]

Incredible video 👏🏾

[@Bushcrawler]

THANK YOU! ❤

[@disc-golf-neil]

Tried 'curl disc to armpit' cue after this and it boosted my spin quite a bit and had some lower effort higher speed throws. Tried deeper elbow drive before but it's not as specific as 'curl to armpit' so it wasn't as helpful.

[@BlitzDG]

Appreciate you giving it a whirl!

[@nordicdiscgolferatrumble9430]

My first thought is "isnt this the opposite of the wide rail/hit far out"? Like the opposite of what we wanna do? Will try it out next field work 👍

[@BlitzDG]

Not really. Wide rail can totally work with this cue. This is about depth and posture. Wide rail is just a starting point.

[@JazzInATinCan]

SO! I am interested in how you could extrend the swirly bird 2.0 with this concept. I have been doing the swirly for a time now and it's really good, but it doesn't really help getting deep - and atm I feel like a have to choose between the two, kinda.

[@BlitzDG]

It’s all posture! Try doing swirly while creating space in front of your sternum. They work very well together and this concept requires at least some level of swirly and concepts from standstill tutorial part 1 to work well. Going to make a video outlining how to use everything together and in what order ASAP!

[@snakeson_aplane]

something definitely clicked when you said that it's less of a "hit" and more of a natural release point.

[@Peilla]

I will listen to this man purely based on his conditioning.

[@markhumphrey8894]

Great video. Do you stay back on the brace like in baseball. My back foot swings around and I dont feel any stopping and then rotating. You look like you just spin on the front foot and the back leg stays back and you twist and rip the disc through. Maybe I'll start with a stand still until I know I'm feeling like a baseball hip/torso then arm turn. I feel like I'm just running through the brace. thanks again for this break through!

[@nordicdiscgolferatrumble9430]

I have to try this. My first thought tho is that I will most likely just piruette around with the disc in my armpit.

[@BlitzDG]

You will never get it there if your timing is good, but the intention to do that will help!

[@Jubas4]

Thanks for the video, great stuff as always. I have been looking into the last part of the throw recently since it was lacking for myself. And i disagree you saying the "out" is not important. I think it is crucial to get disc moving away so that when your arm reached its max extension it can "yank" the disc giving it great speed boost and snap. Difference in momentum direction makes this more effective. This is why people who dont have it sometimes yank their disc right and it goes further than their normal throws. You should check overthrows analysis video of simons slowmo backhand, where the disc clearly goes out before it is released. I think it is not helpful to think the disc just snaps passively. Most people have to train the miscle memory to pull it at the right moment to get snap. It feels automatic once it is trained. That is my current thinking anyway.

[@BlitzDG]

I can see this point of view. I think thinking about the pulling arcing away from you is better than thinking about pushing the disc.

[@Jubas4]

I see. Btw, in my case i had issue with overrotating my shoulders, and when fixing it I had to learn to push the hand out earlier to make the snap happen.

[@BlitzDG]

Sounds like your elbow was set up incorrectly to me.

[@CS-Bothe]

Love this video. @armory disc golf has a recent video on making sure the elbow doesn't come in to the torso during the extension "reach back", do you ever also think about this at all? I feel like its a similar concept to help the disc hit the power pocket / deep pocket. Cant wait to try this on the techdisc later today. Starting out should we try to keep it at 50% power or less?

[@BlitzDG]

Sure. Similar. Elbow far Disc close!

[@anthonybarnes4534]

Another great video as always, Clint! Any chance I can send you a few videos of myself throwing the tech disc so you can check my form? I’ve been following your videos very closely but It is ridiculously hard for me to get the nose down with an upwards launch angle and I don’t know why.

[@BlitzDG]

Join the discord and link your vid in form discussion. Plenty of coaches to help in there(including me)!

[@chazmac2677]

This is great! 💪

[@ryanclement5924]

What is the most common error people make when trying to implement this?

[@BlitzDG]

I think the most common is basically curling the disc into their body. We are pulling forward and keeping the disc close to us. NOT just curling everything up to our chest and spinning. You have to keep the disc moving forward on the target line.

[@Thechaintickler]

I've just been chucking them, never really thought about the mechanics. I wonder if it would hinder me to put thought into it at this point. Your tips are solid for sure though!

[@BlitzDG]

If you're playing good and throwing as far as you want, let it ride baby.

[@ejzl4160]

I’m having an issue of hitting my left pec when pulling through with this drill. Any solutionsv

[@BlitzDG]

Bring the backside in slightly later. It's about finding the posture that lets the disc get deep without anything in the way but close behind. The point of the drill is to teach you what that feels like! Make space with protraction. There is no "RIGHT" height. Some people do this same thing way down at their belly button and throw super far.

[@Needled88]

Maybe your upper body opens too early? You have to get the hand ahead off you before you start spinning with the shoulders and chest, another possible problem can be that you dont keep your elbow high and away from your body enough, go super slowly at first.

[@ejzl4160]

@@BlitzDGso does the arm move before the torso uncoils? Or does the initial energy of the uncoil allow the arm to move ahead of the arm? The sequencing of legs, torso, and arm has always confused me

[@BlitzDG]

I would describe it as the arm leads the charge and everything uncoils to facilitate.

[@mikemaas9944]

Even pros don’t have perfect form. It’s all about your body and what is comfortable. Been playing for 24 years and the best advice for people struggling is to work on the lower body. The legs will prime the upper body for the release. You won’t round. I only reach back half way. Not full extended and can hit 450ft.

[@nickowns55]

Random question, when you touch the front foot on the ground . Do you push off backward to coil even more? It seems I can get more coil using the front foot once it is touching the ground.

[@BlitzDG]

You shouldn't stop coiling until you've shifted weight, but then it's go time.

[@kserres]

This is legit. Thank you!

[@putkipihvi324]

Do you have a point in space compared to shoulders where you stop the elbow, like 90 deg? Also, when doing this the wrist wants to curl when going super deep, isnit beneficial or should shoulders start to rotate when wrist wants to curl? Great que!

[@BlitzDG]

Wrist can curl. There is no stop. You can go straight past 90 and the best throwers do before the disc arcs out.

[@putkipihvi324]

@@BlitzDG i'll try that, thanks!

[@marsten007]

Do you offer coaching services, like person to person…of course over the phone on a video call. I really need some major help…

[@DiscPayne]

How do you feel this may fix or mess up timing. Seems it would need a delayed leg drop or more of a pause between brace plant and the que to throw.

[@BlitzDG]

I mean if you don't do this already, it's going to destroy your timing for a bit. The drill and cue is to bring your throw CLOSER to this. You aren't going to actually get that far protracted or hunched or any of that stuff in real time, but a little more goes a long way toward having room and getting more compressed. IMO you should already be getting the disc forward as soon as you've planted, so I don't quite understand that piece of the question.

[@chasmash]

How active is your right bicep when doing this? Do you really engage the bicep to keep the disc in?

[@BlitzDG]

I wouldn’t say you’re like full power curling, but it’s definitely being used. You really want to be accomplishing these things with minimum required tension and letting things flow through as you guide them into position. The only movement I’m full on trying to do is get the elbow forward forever.

[@chasmash]

@BlitzDG Forward 'down the line' right? I suppose the only other way I could interpret that would be 'further forward in rotation vs the torso'. Anyways I'm excited to try this!

[@BlitzDG]

@@chasmash Forward down the line. Ahead of the body's rotation is another great way to look at it. Don't let the arm get left behind.

[@ClarkPotter]

Great video. You should slo-mo some of your demos.

[@catfishbilllly]

Awesome cue, tried it today and after just a couple throws I could tell that this has huge potential if I work on it for some weeks to come. Off topic: if you can't afford a tech disc/radar and want to be able to get some reps in at your apartment, do you think using a towel and trying to achieve the loudest whip crack would be a somewhat fair representation that you're doing something right?

[@BlitzDG]

Nope. Towel drills have some uses, but getting the cracking sound is not the same motion as throwing a disc hard unfortunately. Sometimes good form will get a crack, but chasing that is definitely not going to get you good form!

[@catfishbilllly]

@@BlitzDG Good to know, thanks man!

[@Ketomek]

🥏

[@LukenLeach]

Do you have a certain threshold for grip strength to make sure it rips out at the right time. Or is it trial and error?

[@BlitzDG]

Harder you throw the harder you will need to grip, but I let the body regulate the grip strength and keep it pretty relaxed actively to begin.

[@isaknilsson71]

This sounds like an interesting cue and I will try it to see what changes in the feel of the throw and the flight of the disc. One clarifying question for you: When you mention "out-in-out", do you mean a) "stretching the arm behind you (out), then pulling in close to the body (in), then throwing towards the target (out), all following a straight line when seen from above" or b) "when pulling back, also push the disc slightly in front of you (out), then pull it toward you/your back to hit the pocket (in), then expect the release point to again be slightly more to your front (out), thus from above describing a shallow V shape"? I've seen "out-in-out" used to describe both and I'm unsure which one you mean should be avoided when you mention it here. Thanks!

[@BlitzDG]

b

[@isaknilsson71]

:)

[@underGearedFtw]

so are you saying once you get to the deep pocket, don't 'artificially extend'. Just hold on as long as possible and let the disc come out naturally?

[@BlitzDG]

For power. Yes. Do the opposite. Keep pulling forward while it rips out from you.

[@underGearedFtw]

@@BlitzDG awesome; i guess it almost the same concept as the grip. You don't 'flick' the wrist on backhand, you let it rip out. I have been "extending" from the pocket. Will test later today I think this has been holding back speed for sure.

[@leightaft7763]

Trying this tmo then I’ll post feedback. Thanks

[@BlitzDG]

Plz do!

[@Cjarvis1136]

Awesome vid but wuick question, what shoes are you wearing? My solomons are breaking down and i like the looks of those. Thanks man

[@BlitzDG]

New Balance Numeric Tiago Lemos 808. Fun fact. I actually saw these on a Broderic video, thought they looked cool, and grabbed a pair. Apparently it's a thing now hahaha. They have held up great for disc golf, but don't perform well in wet for obvious reasons.

[@Cjarvis1136]

@BlitzDG I knew I've seen them before and I just couldn't place it. Thanks for getting back.

[@LarsRisom]

Great tip - tried it out this evening. Just slow movements and methodical progressions. I feel like I get more spin on the disc - power and accuracy will come 😅 I struggle to get a flat release - really defaults to hyzer. Any tips?

[@BlitzDG]

Less stagger, Slightly higher pullthrough, keep the elbow up are the things I focus on to get flatter releases.

[@dgspindoctor]

@@BlitzDG Can I chime in? Hyzering means most likely late release, which means you most likely pull with the scapula, i.e., back of the shoulder.

[@jimmae518]

I only throw around 270. I tried this but was causing rounding. I need to reach out. 66 years old and have been playing for a year.

[@BlitzDG]

What part of this prohibits reaching out?

[@brandonstevens1832]

I tried this and griplocked my tech-disc into a pond *cries*.. Yeah, I know. After about 15 throws, I do feel a difference in force. It's like the throw is throwing me at the target and it's great. Will report #s when I can use another tech-disc again haha

[@BlitzDG]

You're kidding me hahahaha

[@JazzInATinCan]

Ah. Maybe this is what many pros refer to when tlking about "driving with the elbow"

[@dntxdiscgolfer]

Have you ever run into an issue with the disc running into your forearm? When I try this cue then the disc hits my forearm and the throw feels really weak.

[@BlitzDG]

Interesting problem! Sounds like the elbow needs to move forward faster, so the angle never gets quite that acute.

[@OneFocusPhotos]

Glad someone said this! Was happening to me!

[@seeballgetball937]

Bodanza in 20 years😂

[@BlitzDG]

If he goes bald and stays in the gym :)

[@jbone9885]

Is this strictly for Bergs or... 😂

[@BlitzDG]

Next video : Expanding the pocket. ;)

[@AkiraActual]

Instructions unclear disc stuck inside me.

[@BlitzDG]

Better than that guy who threw his techdisc in a lake....

[@jeromyng]

I dont hate this cue since i teach the elbow up and away. But i would not hate on out in out. It teaches people how to get in the power pocket. What this cue is for is at least intermediate otherwise it will endorse rounding because its coming from behind you. +1 for intermediate players -1 for new or novice beginners.

[@BlitzDG]

You cannot get the disc to your armpit rounding. Focusing on that goal prevents rounding in itself. I specifically give a drill coming from in front of you to show the feeling. I personally favor a straight pullthrough, but this drill exaggerates the POSTURE needed get a deep pocket.

[@dgspindoctor]

​@@BlitzDGExactly. Rounding is basically the exact opposite of deep pocket, which you're teaching here.

[@SaltyMaud]

What is the meaning of life?

[@BlitzDG]

Shit. Uhhh. I'd say just try to be happy and have a positive influence on the people you care about. Don't worry too much about what others think of you, and don't be afraid to look dumb sometimes!

[@ClarkPotter]

Nice physique, bro.

[@Andrew-p4b]

Are you just obsessed with showing your super huge arm muscles that look sooooooo weird to the rest of your body?? Lol 😂😂😂😂😂

[@BlitzDG]

Yes. Stay mad.

[@WhyFeitan]

And you were in a hurry to show your insecurities on the internet, go to the gym or just cry alone