Orca Aircraft - Command and Conquer - Tiberium Lore

[@Jethild]

A note at around the 9 minute mark when talking about the Orca Fighter, I mention that it still kept the fan on it's tail like the Assault Craft. However, the fighter in the image that I used did not have said fan. But in the cutscenes, you can see it on the tail. Also even though the fighter didn't have a gatling gun on it, in some cutscenes it does actually seem to have a couple of machine guns/cannons in it's nose under the cockpit which I missed when writing the script.

[@simplebott4812]

Thanks for the videos! Judging by some of the comments I think people were sleeping on the orcas and didnt realize they are GDIs best fast attack vehicle for harvi harassment in almost all the C&C games

[@stangundam01]

thanks for the vid, will the next one be about nods aircraft?

[@Jethild]

@@stangundam01 Next one will be Nod related but not about aircraft.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Maybe the MK3 was the bomber orca as GDI may have seen it as an improvement and not a variant.

[@PHILMKD95]

There also was another prototype aircraft GDI was developing, a fixed-winged advanced superiority fighter, called the Scimitar, the aircraft was featured on the game cover of Tiberian Dawn and was also featured also in-game cutscenes in both GDI and Nod campaign.

[@bendavis3778]

"According to lore from Tiberium Twilight, which I try to avoid referencing as much as possible" The mark of a true Command and Conquer fan

[@xGoodOldSmurfehx]

whats Tiberium Twilight? i never heard of it, im pretty sure that thing doesnt exist

[@justjoking5841]

We talking about Tiberian Incursion? That was canceled like, in 2003 I think.

[@andreiciorgovean]

@@xGoodOldSmurfehx Tiberian Twilight it’s supposed to be the fourth installment in the Tiberium Universe. Many consider it a failure, ‘cuz it looks like EA just mixed files from Red Alert 3 and Tiberium Wars and that “mutation” resulted. I say EA made it just to make money

[@xGoodOldSmurfehx]

@@andreiciorgovean Tiberium what? never heard of it that game doesnt exist

[@andreiciorgovean]

@@xGoodOldSmurfehx oh, I know what you’re doing😉 I can’t blame you

[@RedMutt]

If only the Orca was as effective in game as it is in the cutscene.

[@rvh1999]

Indeed. It felt really underpowered ingame

[@OurAntwan]

They aren't as bad in tib dawn as tib sun but are too expensive (the orca unit alone is $1200 if i remember correctly), tib 3 though they are viable especially with hardpoints.

[@RedMutt]

@@OurAntwan I was talking about how they are in the original c&c. They were just so underwhelming compared to how they were introduced.

[@Basichamp]

@@RedMutt they were "okay" vs. tanks and buildings if they didnt face anti aircraft units, but tbh it was more effective to spam medium tanks. If i remember they were completly outclassed by SAMS or rocketlauncher infantry + they didnt have the fancy minigun to take them out :D

[@doggo_woo]

@@Basichamp The helipads were crazy massive too, so good luck pulling off any massive air based attacks. I prefer tib sun or tib war orcas, they can be used for massive air based attacks.

[@plcinto4042]

It's interesting on how the GDI Orca is equipped with a Gatling canon but never uses it, while the Nod Venom, which is derived from stolen Orca blueprints, uses the Gatling canon as it's main offensive capabilities.

[@Firewarz217]

It's the same as the carryall from nod , which was used by the gdi before th V35 Ox Transport was a thing

[@Gallic_Gabagool]

Its because of CNC's rock paper sissors balance system, giving it a Gatling cannon would make it good against infantry in addition to its antivehicle rockets. Same reason the tanks and titans etc dont have machine guns when in reality they would like any modern tank/helicopter/plane.

[@RavenAdventwings]

@@Gallic_Gabagool Also because the aircraft in Tiberian Sun is bugged. They will only ever fire its primary weapon, even if you give it 2 weapons to choose from.

[@KaosNova2]

In Renegade Multiplayer on select maps, you can fly the Orca with both the gun and missiles

[@Gothic7876]

That is my general gripe with C&C. Stuff clearly equipped with two weapons, only firing one.

[@Lordbobomb]

Fun Fact: In the Tiberium Essence mod for C&C3 Tiberium wars they actually gave the Orca's the ability to use their Minigun again. (Fantastic mod, would highly recommend if you want a more Tiberian Sun look to the units)

[@rohenthar8449]

Agree. They also returned Banshee to the NOD arsenal.

[@shmee123ful]

Where can I find this mod? And how do I download it?

[@GeneralWildDog]

And in that MOD, Orca Fighters are real "fighters" to carry out air-to-air missions.

[@nanoman8]

Even better, in tiberium advanced the orca can use both missiles and gattling at the same time

[@Lordbobomb]

@@nanoman8 Oh damn i gotta check that mod out.

[@dachers1238]

Man I love this channel. I wish CnC got more respect and care than it did. So much potential from a series that wasn't able to properly present itself.

[@sirtoast4502]

I mean, they did just remaster both CNC Tib Dawn and RA-1. That's something.

[@comentnine1574]

@@sirtoast4502 Yea- WAIT REALLY!?

[@Criticalmeds]

@@comentnine1574 yes really we also host tournaments currently in season 3

[@comentnine1574]

@@Criticalmeds I didn’t know about RA getting a remaster!

[@Criticalmeds]

@@comentnine1574 yep you can get the remastered version on steam or origin it has both red alert and tiberium dawn

[@3arooshy465]

Didn’t expect a whole video about gdi aircrafts... keep it up

[@GundamFireStorm]

Ahh! A 20 minute documentary about a fictional aircraft in a fictional war narrorated by a man with a soothing voice and smooth Frank Klepacki music! Fantastic!

[@navyrotc2012]

I love the attention the Tiberium lore is getting. EA is sleeping on a gold mine

[@kasrkin100]

Wait until you heard tiberium incursion

[@lcoop9351]

Maybe the videos will help EA wake up.

[@AlexWithington]

Well the entire cnc collection of games is a gold mine

[@snaiper195]

@@lcoop9351 and expliot gamers even more ?

[@archer9338]

@@snaiper195 exactly. I would rather EA just leave it alone. I would rather they not ruin it more than they already have.

[@grimloncz3853]

6:38 A less well-spoken individual may call is "yellow box thing". But that is what makes these videos so great.

[@RC-qv9in]

👍🏻

[@aaronw6195]

You sir get a sub from me! I love C&C Lore, and am a 37 year adult. This series from Westwood will always be my favorite, so much so that I work on path finding an graph theory professionally.

[@RC-qv9in]

👍🏻

[@KillerOrca]

Thank you for mentioning they're officially dolphins. That is all, I can go home now.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

no Orca is a killer whale not a dolphin...completely diffrent species.

[@paimonisfood4986]

@@sheilaolfieway1885 dolphin is not a specific animal but rather a family of them or something

[@keetiesweetie3284]

I liked the orca, but I personally ended up liking the venom more as it didn't have to return to base to continue the assault

[@simplebott4812]

Ya but, can you imagine orcas with unlimited ammo? You'd never keep any harvesters against GDI. Four orcas can take already out four harvesters in a few seconds with proper micro. If you watch the competitive scene you'll see it all the time.

[@doggo_woo]

@@simplebott4812 Do wish orcas had minigun capabilities tho. Kinda seems wrong since the venom gets passive stealth scanning and costs less.

[@simplebott4812]

@@doggo_woo Aesthetically ya, but feel a more meaningful balance change would be to let the orcas fire at air targets with there missiles. But that would take away the firehawks roll. :/

[@doggo_woo]

@@simplebott4812 Or just make their missiles against air targets a bit... In-accurate. Since those are anti tank missiles, not anti air missiles. But adding a minigun with a lesser rate of fire would be better.

[@simplebott4812]

@@doggo_woo ya I agree. Im just coming from a competitive mechanics stand point. The reason I say they need to be able to counter air is because both Nod air units can engage air targets granted the vertigo does it poorly. Maybe giving the orca the mutant maradurs chaingun so they can be effective. But the problem with the chaingun is you cant have a unit that can effectively engage all possible targets cost less then the 2500-5000 range like the tier 3s and uber units.

[@The_Girocks]

I'd like to say thank you to the youtube algorithm for putting this on my home page

[@PaiSAMSEN]

Just FYI : the Carryall itself came from the novel Dune, which the Westwood game Dune 2000 and its sequel was based on, and it serve the exact same role as it did in game. Unfortunately, no two sources seem to agree on what it look like.

[@RC-qv9in]

Interesting point

[@sirtoast4502]

Just found your channel through Redit. Have to say, you make some top quality content here. I've wanted for years for a dedicated CNC lore channel (granted, that's not the only thing you do) and you sir, have delivered.

[@RC-qv9in]

Yay!

[@lcoop9351]

Yay2!

[@lordfrostwind3151]

I remember fighting past the Core Defender in Firestorm, I probably threw 20 Banshees trying to bust CABALs core, got it to about half health, 3 Orca Bombers finished it off in one pass.

[@doggo_woo]

Orca bombers do insane amounts of damage to massive structures. Banshees are made for quick anti vehicle and small - medium sized structures.

[@jiroyamada1139]

Used the Firestorm wall to kill the Core Defender in 1 hit. Was extremely surprised and disappointed. :O

[@doggo_woo]

@@jiroyamada1139 Won't work unless you have stealthed firestorm walls. The defender destroys everything in it's path to your MCV.

[@jiroyamada1139]

​@@doggo_woo I may have set up a stealth generator; been more than 15 years since I last played Firestorm so memory's a bit fuzzy.

[@RavenAdventwings]

*Laughs as a couple of Orca Fighters drop the Core Defender off a bridge in a single pass*

[@Fate_37]

I've watched a few of your uploads and now I'm hooked! Subscribed!

[@lcoop9351]

👍🏻

[@houstonhelicoptertours1006]

I still love those old 3D Studio renderings of the TD-era units.

[@Gigas0101]

The Orca from Tib Dawn always made me wonder if that design could ever be a functional VTOL. Not in a derisive way, but more a growing interest in heli-jets and VTOLs brought on by the Orca line in general. Great video, thanks for the upload!

[@fonesrphunny7242]

I always viewed the engine as a huge issue: - Turbofan engines have a rather slow spool up time. If it was a high bypass TF, with variable fan blades (similar to helicopter collective), this could probably be mitigated. Otherwise altitude control would be very sluggish. - The engines would be susceptible to flameouts during certain maneuvers, as not enough air is sucked in. - Both engines need do be balanced constantly. If one of them fails, that's it. You can't just link both 'fans' with an axle, like the V-22, because you need that combustion for extra thrust. - You can't really put too much armor on it, it's gonna be pretty complex and it's a huge target. A single hit from a MANPAD or ZSU-23 could be fatal, or at least very costly. All things considered, I think the Harrier already fits into the same role nicely. It can't hover in combat, but it's fast and maneuverable to avoid fire. On a small scale though? Sure, slap some fat EDFs on it and set up the flight controller properly. You can find some videos about that kind of setup on YT. Not the most detailed models, but cool nonetheless. You still don't wanna lose an engine, but crashes would be much cheaper ;)

[@TheNapster153]

​@@fonesrphunny7242Arguably, that maybe the point in the Tiberium setting. Everything can be fabricated on the spot except personnel, and Tiberium everywhere, equipment becomes almost dirtcheap with the only limiting factor being time and resources. The larger engines may have to do with the desparation to get an aircract capable of operating in the severe weather of the Tiberium setting. Whatever sciences and engineering put into the thing was made with getting it shipped out quick, and later on they just didn't put more effort than necessary in fixing or improving the design. It doesn't help that GDI funding got cut as the world government worked to contain the spread of the crystal.

[@frostybeverage4778]

Loving these videos been binge watching them cheers for bringing love to the good old command and conquer series

[@lcoop9351]

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[@yobito__]

bro I swear this channel is way too underrated you deserve more subs and viewers.

[@lcoop9351]

Agreed.

[@Bizarrnonsense]

good idea getting into dedicated c&c lore- still a pretty untouched niche. glad to have found this :)

[@Valdore1000]

Super high quality again! The attention to detail. May I suggest next video about railguns including physics, history. It's no brainer for your video creative skills!!

[@Jethild]

Next video will probably be a Nod related one. I like to alternate between GDI and Nod videos. But for sure I'll do a video on railguns.

[@mikeyzgt68]

Just found these videos and am really enjoying them. The Nostalgia hits hard!! Keep up the good work

[@RC-qv9in]

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[@battleland7263]

The effort that goes into these videos is outstanding!

[@secretagenttau2233]

Honestly.....the fact that upgrades can be seen outside the buildings...always makes me smile

[@tompegorinno5141]

Thank you for keeping units alive with your detailed explanation!

[@RC-qv9in]

👍🏻

[@dgamezonu2693]

Top notch content as always. Keep up the good work.

[@chrisyuri4187]

1:07 this video as a kid was amazing, never seen anything liked it before or after.

[@racer927]

There's a really good Orca Assault Craft someone made in SimplePlanes (sadly not in VR as far as I know). It takes a bit of getting used to but the the VTOL capabilities are incredibly useful while also being able to move as fast as a jet in foward-flight at the cost of fuel consumption.

[@aussiearena8856]

Tbh I watched a fair bit of your content and not gonna lie.... I actually appreciate the amount of effort you have given

[@dondog1278]

Jolly good, can really see the effort you put into this one! Keep it up!

[@lcoop9351]

👍🏻

[@CundC]

Thanks for the amazing Tiberium Lore videos and the great model in the view. :)

[@thedarkdragon1437]

I would like to note another thing you missed: The orca from teaser tailer, indeed, does have 2 pilot seats, but is only crewed by one. So maximum capacity of 2 is plausible

[@the-Leela-vt]

Man this such high quality content keep up the good work :D

[@lfr5546]

The exhaust going into the fans would probably work as a cooling unit, cooling the exhaust to rid allot of the heat coming from the aircraft so heat seeking missiles have a harder time targeting it

[@141Wingman]

Love these videos

[@andywang7034]

Good work! Idk if you have a schedule of uploads but I would love to see GDI spacecraft at some point in the future.

[@Jethild]

Yep I'll get around to doing a video on their spacecraft. Basically I have a list of video topics that I'm gradually getting through. I want to get through most of the Tiberium timeline topics before starting ones in the Red Alert or Generals games. I also try to alternate between Brotherhood related videos and GDI ones.

[@merchskele7507]

Yoooo keep up the good work!

[@VitaminJ7734]

Absolutely love these vids. Keep them coming!

[@Rangen101]

Refering to the orca types: mark 1, mark 2 and mark 3. Could it be that the mark 4 is the playable type of orca ingame. And the mark 3 maybe is the commander abiliy: orca strike inn C&C 3? Great lore video btw! Keep ut up! 😆

[@jeanmichel8919]

Yeah that make sense 1 tib dawn, 2 tib sun, 3 orca strike power, 4 orca tib wars.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

One of my favorite C&C units is the Orca bomber I loved the design and the ingame performance.

[@josephahner3031]

Fun fact, a few years ago a new version of the Hydra 70 rocket was invented that is guided and posseses an optional HEAT warhead.

[@josephahner3031]

@@Banthisyoutube nice

[@wowathena]

Tiberian sun had this cool thing where u could take ur fliers like Orca and set them on circle patrol around your base with one waypoint set to repair bay along way. It was so satisfying watch couple of them tear apart any intruders then go back on their own to self repair and resume patrol afterwards again :)

[@hebrux]

This whole series is EXCELLENT! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS!!!

[@lcoop9351]

Another awesome video!

[@DRRDGRAPHICARTIST]

Love your videos!

[@cursedpaladin1035]

Great lore video as always!

[@RC-qv9in]

👍🏻

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

Underated channel

[@lcoop9351]

I agree.

[@carlospomares3225]

Just finished the Playlist and subed, Hope to see more from you soon!

[@RC-qv9in]

He’s usually pretty consistent.

[@NegiTaiMetal011]

Brilliant work as usual.

[@RC-qv9in]

Ditto

[@RC-qv9in]

Nice video. Shout out to Shamu at 1:58!

[@lcoop9351]

I’ve always liked Shamu.

[@nixen5930]

I love your lore videos so much ❤️

[@godfatherofbloedniss]

awsome video as always :)

[@RC-qv9in]

Agreed.

[@ThePsihopatul]

Awesome video again. Oh and will you be making video about NOD stealth technology?

[@Jethild]

Yeah I'll eventually be doing a video on the stealth technology.

[@RC-qv9in]

And now it’s here! (The Stealth Tech video)

[@plasmadrone3123]

YES!! YES!! YEEEEES!! thanks KZbin for recommending this to me. I'm joining the notification squad :D :D Jethild, do you happen to have any social media we can follow (Twitter, etc.)?

[@JeriDro]

awesome video, the ending kicked ass!

[@ChannelBerpindah]

Finally a new kontent. Hoping to see a video for other GDI rocket technologies such as Rocket Launcher, Mammoth Tank and Advanced Guard Tower. If we noticed most GDI weaponry consist of rocket technology. Btw, Apache were only available in original game for NOD player if they kaptured GDI helipad. As tho making it a captured technology from GDI. Can u explain about this ?

[@combinecommando001]

I'd love a lore video on the Walker mechs of the GDI. I've always found those fascinating and endaring. Nothing says power more than a giant walking tank that towers over everyone and laughs at the idea of "high-ground" because it is the high-ground itself.

[@Jethild]

Yep, I plan to eventually get around to doing a lore video on the mech walkers.

[@mylow89]

i would like to make a request for the recon bike!!

[@Jethild]

I actually do have the Nod attack bikes as a topic for a future video.

[@add5459]

Yay a new video :D

[@Criticalmeds]

Hi i love this video! I am a streamer and competitive player of the remastered tiberium dawn game and wondered if i could use this video for my be right back screen. If i am allowed i will reference your youtube along with the video. Great work very interesting to watch .

[@Jethild]

Sure thing. As long as you reference to my channel that would be fine.

[@RAS_Squints]

I've been waiting for these to be made in real life since I was a kid listening to Mechanical Man

[@TankHunter678]

here is something to understand about the difference in Marks: Rarely is development of a weapon system linear, often times there are many versions of a given craft going at once and not all of them will see the light of day. The Mark 4 at one point could have been considered a failed design, was shelved, and later revisited and updated using new technology making the craft state-of-the-art despite how old the original design was.

[@RC-qv9in]

Good point.

[@Firestorm2900]

Hello, there is a guided version of the Hydra rockets known as the APKWS, which are Hydras that have laser sensors on wingtips, and could be used against aircraft, too.

[@SurfaceDweller]

These videos are awesome, really takes me back!

[@nfwrambo]

Oh yeah! No strings prd has some competition now that there are two channels doing high quality c&c lore vids.

[@RC-qv9in]

I think jethild and no strings prd videos complement each other. Nice to have more than one channel.

[@nfwrambo]

@@RC-qv9in agreed, the more stuff like this there are the better

[@SkyFly19853]

Another wonderful video from you. Thank you! ✅✅✅✅✅✅✅

[@Kaiju-Driver]

Great content!

[@Spaceman0720]

Of all the orca aircraft shown the orca bomber is my favorite orca variant.

[@Antidragon-nl7by]

I really wish there was a model of this I could build and put on my bookshelf, but I was never able to find one.

[@RC-qv9in]

That would be cool. I'd get one too.

[@MPKb19]

Great work

[@Hapokas112]

Nice video.👍

[@teutonicknight452]

I love orca bombers soooo much and carrycall man i love the landing animtion of the carrycall feel really cool keep it up comrade

[@doggo_woo]

Carryall's were my favourite too. Just the fact that they lived up to their name unlike those degenerate V-35 Ox transports.

[@teutonicknight452]

@@doggo_woo haha thats great

[@DarkOperationman]

It is possible that Orca Strike Craft (C&C3) is the MKIII. Due to it having traditional Orca fuselage with new horizons engines. And MKIV also having this new horizons engines too.

[@mystogen9137]

Mammoth tank next please sir!! Love you long time

[@kirbi4266]

We need more video about GDI units

[@Koronia047]

Actually, I believe there IS a Orca Fighter Mark III but it's not the ones you build normally in Tiberium Wars rather it's the ones that show up when you order a tactical air strike as one of GDI's powers.

[@jacobc3266]

Will you possibly cover the Red Alert series of games as well?

[@Jethild]

Yep I plan on eventually getting around to covering that series.

[@LINJ638]

@@Jethild You mean the universe itself or the units and structures on there?

[@Tabletopmasqurade]

I’d love to see a video devoted to the history and advanced end of Nod stealth technology.

[@RC-qv9in]

And there is one now.

[@cropathfinder]

My headcannon on the orca strike craft was that it was a retrofit of the mark I due to similarities

[@TheNobody1324]

I'd think that the fans on the vertical stabilizers help with yaw control of the aircraft

[@raxsavvage]

legit never noticed the radar dome till you mentioned it

[@Red-rn4bm]

I'm curious if you will do any of these type of videos for the red alert games?

[@Jethild]

Yep, I will eventually get to videos related to Red Alert and Generals. Just want to get through most of the topics I have in the Tiberium games first before covering those.

[@comentnine1574]

@@Jethild Could you do a video on the General Defence weapon used in the third Tim-war?

[@tacotony3274]

@@comentnine1574 Ah yes, the great Timothy war

[@comentnine1574]

@@tacotony3274 I meant Tiberium war ya Goof!:)

[@tacotony3274]

@@comentnine1574 Aw man i was prepping for tim wars already

[@deathcode9719]

Do you think you'd try out the homeworld series for lore in the future?

[@axelNodvon2047]

Oooo this will be cool

[@nikolabonev8439]

awesome vids, i've been binging, thanks

[@williejohnson1732]

Will u do any more gdi vehicles in the future, I found this interesting

[@Jethild]

Yes I plan on eventually covering the Mammoth tank.

[@williejohnson1732]

@@Jethild cool can't wait, did u do one on the predator tank?

[@Jethild]

@@williejohnson1732 No I have not done one on the predator. I'm not sure it needs a dedicated video to it though. Most likely I'll group it in one video talking about GDI armored vehicles or something. Kind of like how I included the Obelisk of Light in my Laser Tech video. Sometimes it's easier to just group vehicles or weapon systems. Even this video was grouped, since it was multiple aircraft of the Orca type.

[@williejohnson1732]

@@Jethild ok will u include c&c4 vehicles too, I know the game wasn't as good as the others but some of the vehicles were cool in my opinion

[@ForTheBrotherhood]

You forgot the OCV(Orca Command Vehicle) the most popular one is Michael McNeil's mobile command center Kodiak-II

[@alexandredeleon7758]

One moment I’m searching for cnc cutscenes, next thing I know I’ve sunk hours watching your videos in 2024

[@manemperorofmankind8119]

I would like to ask for you to start covering C&C4, there is alot of cool tech in it worth discussing

[@smash461986]

The carryall tail fan would allow it to spind 360 degrees on the spot. Could align to what it's picking up

[@richie7425]

it's funny watching this knowing we have better aircraft today!

[@yeoedwin1619]

Wishing on Arcade Shoot'em Up (Vertical or Horizontal) featuring GDI Orca, with powerful bosses from Nod. Something like 1941, Axelay, Aero Fighters etc.

[@tacticianM]

My favorite c&c aircraft

[@yamchadragonball6983]

Pretty sure this guy cares more about CnC than EA ever did. Maybe even more than westwood did :)

[@OmegablueWolf]

i know its been months but: Could the Orca MK III be the one in the teaser and the MK IV is the one we actually use in game ?

[@picoletor]

the tecnical aeronautical term for an orca like plane is called "aerodyne" and there was some ral life prototypes of them, 17:40 those "mounts" at least in spanish are called "embrionary wings" and i swear, in the tib wars intro, you could see a second pilot behind the frontal one, but in your video is clear that there is only one pilot, so even command and conquer has his "mandela effect" i see...

[@manemperorofmankind8119]

C&c 4 was t a bad game though, it just wasn’t the C&C we knew. Also we need a kodiak video

[@bertugbertu1596]

Kodiak is Orca class right or remember wrong.

[@OGTacitus]

about mark 2 and 3 - i always thought that tibsun fighter is m2, and bomber is m3 due to how different they designed and act

[@TheTSense]

Pretty sure that the Mark 3 failed, which is why the Mark 4 was used in the 3. Tiberium war. The numbering does not follow the the games