Osage vs Osage Blended... Plus a Surprise

[@laluzlobo]

Great video, now we know. William

[@douglasgault5458]

TY Mike I learned a thing or 2

[@anthonyberger225]

Very good video learned a lot keep up the good work 👍

[@lamebeavertradingco.1642]

Thank you

[@daveyjoweaver6282]

You know Michael, as long as I have black powder I can use and enjoy, I’ll be happy! Good velocity is great but if it’s a bit less I certainly won’t lose sleep over it. Of course I’m very fortunate that I sleep like a baby! And Thanks to so much effort and experimenting that you are doing, it really helps us out here with much less experience. That’s very much appreciated Michael! Kind Thanks and Many Blessings and Great Shootin! Good Luck with that Buck out there too! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania

[@lamebeavertradingco.1642]

Your very Welcome. Kind Regards

[@paradiselost1914]

Always good to see you Mike.

[@lamebeavertradingco.1642]

Good to see me to. LOL Everything ok with you?

[@paradiselost1914]

@@lamebeavertradingco.1642 Not really, but when you get old, it's one day at a time.

[@davefellhoelter1343]

"I Got It!" you got what you need, and what works for YOU! "I hope to soon!" as "I Have" chased this Dragon for a few YEARS! Myself. how good is "GOOD?" MUCH RESPECT! Good Darn! JOB! Thanks. those chuncks are ambient humidity and KN03, Killer volume weight ratios!

[@GenderSkins]

Am still curious as to how Arizona Ash would do as a charcoal source. And yes I still have a 6 foot long branch of Arizona Ash wood from a 45 year old tree that died. I am not as concerned about velocity, as I am the ability to get through a cylinder without having to break the gun down to clean off the arbor just to shoot one full cylinder load. And that’s where I am with black powder that was made from pine, as that stuff is so dirty that I cannot get more then 3 shots off without having to pull the barrel and cylinder off my 1860 Army to clean the arbor off to make 6 full shots.

[@MrOldclunker]

I expect patches to be dirty as you are driving them down the barrel against the rifling. What I evaluate on is the cleaning of the firearm after I am done shooting. Historically there were no ball mills. They did just fine with non-milled powder. I watched a guy who wet mixed the ingredients into a slurry, dried it thoroughly and took a sample and then milled the rest of the powder and every hour took samples from the ball mill. There was so little difference it didn't matter. I have made black powder since I was a kid. We used the slurry method and mixed the heck out of it. let it dry and then sued it to blast varmints out of the ground.

[@guardsmanom134]

Interesting. I've always liked my blend better than straight... it's just got more power in impetuous than the straight. "How do you tell the impetuous of gunpowder? " I hear you ask in your mind... it's quite simple, and a lot of folks do it without even knowing they've done the test- WATER JUGS. The subtle differences between impetuous can be discerned through the physics of hydrostatic shock. For instance, a slug from my airgun travels around 890fps. I can get that through my Hawken by simply reducing the charge. And, the splash radius shows that the impetuous' differences are night and day, as well as the differences in damage to the water jugs themselves. Funny enough, Taufledermaus are the folks who put me onto that little tidbit of knowledge, without ever noticing it themselves! Slug design can affect impetuous far more than the type of charge, but their one video with the same airgun I have(Sam Yang Dragon Claw) shows this difference. That subtle difference is what let me know that firearms kill in a different manner than airguns. A firearm kills by the shock of the energy dump itself doing the overall damage. An airgun kills by hemorrhage, alone(unless it's a headshot), and the damage is done by penetration. This is why the difference in impetuous with gunpowders, makes such the big deal for me. I could care less how fast the bullet is traveling, if the damage is greater with the slower gunpowder. Of course, this comes mostly from my experience with hunting to survive, so I am biased. It's actually taken me years to figure out that little difference! Oh well... that's just my personal perspective, and you can take it or leave it how you choose. 😊

[@lamebeavertradingco.1642]

This is why I like to use Round ball. I have only recovered 1 Maxi Ball as explained in a recent vid. I have recovered most round balls, and the ones that I did recover they were lodged under the Hide on the opposite side of the Deer. Job well done for just a round Ball.

[@guardsmanom134]

@lamebeavertradingco.1642 I run hollowpoint Nielsen through both, for the jug test to understand impetuous. If your gun likes 80 grains to get the 1800 fps you're normally getting, then I suspect 40 grains would drop the velocity to around 1100 fps, which might create more penetrative impetuous and less energetic relation impetuous. From this, I think that someone as knowledgeable as you can extrapolate what would be necessary to reduce the velocity further to match airgun speeds. Then, by taking an airgun of similar caliber and projectile velocity, you'll be able to see what I'm talking about. I'm lucky in that I have both in .50, and can do this mathematically to see the end results without a chrony. With the airgun, round ball penetrates way more than the hollowpoint. In the firearm, the same is true, but to a much more exaggerated extent. Out of the dragon claw, I get around 5 jugs of penetrative impetuous, but the splash is normally around 3ft diameter. Out of the firearm, I get three before deviation, and the splash zone is much wider, up to 10ft! This is from the only roundball tests I've ever done, because hollowpoints, while they don't fly as true, are devastating out of both guns. The Nielsen variety of soft impinged lead, is much more reactive under these conditions, allowing me to test apples to apples, as I also shoot Hornady swaged lead ball. Hardcast minié are going to penetrate much deeper than either, as they aren't swaged nor are they entirely soft lead. As the old saying goes, "It's 10% because of the powder, and 100%the projectile."

[@lamebeavertradingco.1642]

@@guardsmanom134 That guess would be about right. When I tested my BP 70 gr. by vol, which is about 60 grains by weight, give or take, my velocities as a average were about 1450 to 1470 fps. I do understand the water jug test as they relate to penetration with a slower moving projectile, vs high velocities and deviation. I did do water jug test decades ago. MY best results were with a round ball and that is why I stick with them, even in my revolvers. A round ball may not drop a deer in it's tracks, from what I have observed personally all the energy from the round ball does empty in the body of the deer, at that point they don't go to far before they have to lay up. The most I have had to track a deer is about 40 yards. Thank you for the comment

[@guardsmanom134]

@lamebeavertradingco.1642 I hear that. You're using swaged lead round ball, which is more capable of deformation than a hard cast or standard cast round ball. I was simply suggesting, that by using entirely soft lead, while the fouling might be increased, the energy relation on target would, in fact, be greater. This translates to less penetration, and so I suspect that you might like the Nielsen slugs. Just a suggestion, not saying that you HAVE to. I fully understand that you like what you like, friend. I'm just suggesting WHY it might be something that you like, and how you might get the best of both worlds. By the way, Nielsen slugs, though they are for airguns, are WAAAAY cheaper than maxxi ball. A box of Maxxi's are what, 40 bucks? A box of 50 Nielsen hp's are $18.99 ... that's right, half the price, for the same caliber of projectile. I personally like the Nielsen slugs, because they don't overpenetrate for their weight. I fully understand the reasons you stated for your preference. I actually agree with you about the penetrative power of Maxxi's against the swaged roundball. That's actually the whole reason why I even suggested it in the first place. They're fairly new as far as projectiles go, on the market, and while Nielsen themselves say they are "only for airguns, do not use in firearms " that's actually just legalities, not because they don't work. I realize you probably don't want to try something new and untested. That's fine. I'm just pointing out why you might actually like them. A lot.

[@guardsmanom134]

@lamebeavertradingco.1642 I guess that I'm going to have to do some water jug tests to try to catch a Neilsen slug, so I can show why I'm pushing them so hard. I want everyone to enjoy the little tidbits of knowledge I've stumbled across, because of how I came up, just like you do. That's the whole reason, I'm not selling anything. I actually don't make a dime from suggesting it, and could possibly be sued by Nielsen for even suggesting it. That's what I'm saying, here... I'm genuinely suggesting this as a friend. I couldn't sell water to a man dying from thirst. 🤣🤣

[@daveyjoweaver6282]

Sometimes Michael I put a bit of black powder on my wood stove in my shop just to take in that Lovely smell! Like Mountain Man Perfume! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania

[@genebishop1405]

moisture is why you are getting the clumps, no mystery!! Also a lot of your dirty fouling is probably from the lead balls that you use for tumbling...try using brass balls.

[@lamebeavertradingco.1642]

All components are dry, and as shown in previous videos my lead media has not changed in size or shape. My lead media (round balls)are a 60 /40 lead tin mixture, I have already covered this a few times. Even if I did use brass ball, every one forgets, Charcoal is a dirty component in the black powder making process, ( not all charcoal is the same )no one can change that fact. No process can change that fact.

[@mylife6453]

Why blend them. Just use Bowd arc wood 77 13 10.

[@lamebeavertradingco.1642]

Nope. I did try 77/13/10 and my 75/15/11 out preformed it. Jake left negative comments under that video, I think his feeling got hurt. Also when I re-milled the Swiss, It also shot better than factory and that is with a 12 ton jack. I'm Just fine where I am with black powder. AS as Jake mentioned in that video where he used Osage, he mentioned the formula is not as critical as mill time. So what is it, Mill time or 77/13/10?