osu!mapping: player skill

with owc ending yesterday, seems like this would be a good time to explain my thoughts on how a player's technical ability in osu relates to creating difficult maps
it's convenient that christmas lands on a sunday this year
maps referenced:
BABYMETAL - Road of Resistance by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Omoi - Snow Drive by SnowNiNo_: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Himeringo - Kodoku no Kakurenbo by Asahina Momoko: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Getty vs. DJ DiA - Fox4-Raize- by Kaifin: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Iguchi Yuka - Lostorage (TV-size) by Kaifin: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Epica - Martyr of the Free Word by Sieg: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
UNDEAD CORPORATION - Everything will freeze by Ekoro: osu.ppy.sh/b/5...
DragonForce - Revolution Deathsquad by Lesjuh: osu.ppy.sh/b/6...
Imperial Circus Dead Decadence - Uta by Kite: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Falcom Sound Team jdk - The Azure Arbitrator by jonathanlfj: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
antiPLUR - Speed of Link by ktgster: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
ITO KASHITARO - Yuudachi no Ribbon by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
BABYMETAL - Gimme chocolate!! by alacat: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
nameless - Shira Yuki by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Porter Robinson & Madeon - Shelter by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
DragonForce - Defenders by Spaghetti: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
Camellia & DJ Genki - Feelin Sky by EphemeralFetish: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Akiyama Uni - Odoru Mizushibuki by Hollow Wings: osu.ppy.sh/b/3...
Rise Against - State of the Union by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Rise Against - Savior by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
KISIDA KYODAN & THE AKEBOSI ROCKETS - GATE II ~Sekai o Koete~ (TV-size) by Anxient: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
ChouCho - Yasashisa no Riyuu by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
BLACKPINK - BOOMBAYAH by Natsu: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Days N' Daze - Misanthropic Drunken Loner by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
SHOKK - You Reposted in the Wrong Neighborhood by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Inferi - The Promethean Kings by Mazzerin: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
the maps difficulty list: docs.google.co...
thanks to Kaifin, fieryrage, Milan-, and Uber for playing maps at my request

[@HoundBlueDragon]

wow not even mentioned tbh

[@mestevesx]

The video has no value, a famous mapper wasn't mentioned in it! Mas ainda tem que elogiar o cara em conseguir as respostas que ele quer gravar no chat perfeitos para o video xD

[@septclues]

Blue Dragon must support through Patreon to be mentioned Kappa

[@haxt97]

Blue Dragon Nogard is better than you Kappa

[@s1dnb]

big black two was a mistake

[@accountNo0]

Felix B big black 2 electric boogaloo

[@CailVT]

The moment, wenn you call the 194pp play "nothing" and I was happy about my first 135pp play today... xD

[@pishifat]

gg

[@Awalys]

And then there's me, still proud of my 109 PP play.

[@museifu3419]

Cail i was happy when i got a 43pp play last week >.>

[@bgfighter2166]

Then there is me choking a 240 pp play in 183 pp play and being totally unhappy cuz i'm shit.

[@CailVT]

Musiefu thats just normal, i also was when i got my first^^ I think every play is worth, for the player whos playing, since osu is a game you cant master, but you can always get better until you are cookiezi

[@fieryragee]

hey im famous

[@user-fg8od7rr2c]

hi! famous

[@flaxiomus9141]

fieryrage 🤔

[@theme20201]

feels better than winning owc rite

[@psychiclatte5041]

gj on all of you guys for winning owc for us 'u'

[@Dannya]

okay dad

[@minoxs]

It would be cool if you analyzed mazzerin's 9* map, and show how/why it was ranked

[@YuiraKun]

Minoxs yes please

[@pixelbyte4886]

yassssss do that

[@milosmiljkovic5975]

well imagine the map on lower bpm, it would be viable. Exactly, mazzerin made consistent structure, flow, and good aesthetics. The rhythm is also on point.

[@g2h5j3]

"so what do they have in common except their desire to be famous" - lmao

[@TackKeyNack]

I've seen an awful lot of people reject my opinion because a "way higher ranked 4-digit plaued their map and said it was fine, compared to your 6-digit rank, you must not be regarded as much." Aside from me trolling Priti, a lot of times, they even ignore my opinions on flow and emphasis simply because of my rank! Should I really go through that long pp-farming process just for my opinion to be regarded by those mappers?

[@pishifat]

i think you know the answer already lol

[@TackKeyNack]

*****, is it to show them your video?

[@jukuromein1990]

Marvincent Acuña It is vary tho,I think some players does had their own intention on it. Not to mention they bad bit they might not know how to explained stuffs or just not like to rejecting. Some players unable to give the best feedbacks sometimes.

[@tengu6941]

because u nazi-mod lol

[@TackKeyNack]

Crowie Borealis, lol not anymore. That was my thing in the past.

[@TITCHY]

i think that an awful lot of players will call a map "amazing" when in reality they just like the song

[@CamelliaFlingert]

exactly what happens rn with phonk terrible maps (unranked maps, with wrong, broken rhythm and object placing, and yet people playing it a lot and likes it, calling it a masterpieces)

[@sh_dragon]

Basically what you're saying is, a masochistic 60k player that likes to casually play 6* jump maps like myself still has a chance at ranking a map and shouldn't give up on life? (osu life..?)

[@fragmentedx]

/me jumps for joy

[@bananya6020]

no

[@bananya6020]

i mean im 6 digit and play 6.8* maps sooooooo you suck

[@mercury9060]

Electroblade but he plays them, wait for it, *casually*

[@silicalnz]

Well I'm 4 digits and my map is currently at 35.79 stars xD

[@44tharia46]

tbh let rafis make a map

[@00000ghcbs]

I've played a rafis map, it was pretty fun

[@44tharia46]

00000ghcbs link pls

[@mezelyus-]

those previous lines in 3:48 LOL

[@bananya6020]

(19:57) pishifat: yES (19:59) fieryrage: im in an edgy mood time to only play rise against (?) (or that kpop map) (20:00) pishifat: capitalism (20:01) pishifat: ok i dont know how this is possible but (20:01) pishifat: can you hit the stuff before the first kiai or (something and fail right after) (20:02) fieryrage: if you mean the stream if i get lucky probably (...) (20:02) fieryrage: o (20:02) pishifat: if not ill just use a different clip (referring to current clip) (20:02) pishifat: but would work well with the missing i reco(rding?) (20:03) fieryrage: seriously fuck that goddamn stream (20:03) fieryrage: holy shit (20:03) fieryrage: so awful playability wise

[@bananya6020]

20:02 pishifat (maybe could be replaced by "i record"

[@InvoRL]

*Looks at numerous ~200pp scores* "Yeah see he's got nothing." Ahem im proud of my 400pp Total sir and I am appauled.

[@Garfield_Osu]

*100 pp

[@Dionysustf2]

tfw see a bg for ur map but not actually featuring ur map

[@pixelbyte4886]

Whats weird, I thought you upload every monday. Oh well, the sooner the better thank you Pishi! :3

[@pishifat]

always been on sundays lol

[@pixelbyte4886]

it always came on mondays for me :L

[@jukuromein1990]

Pixelbyte Time diff man,it is normal too. I had difficulties on US time tho

[@pixelbyte4886]

Well Either way this video did come a day early for me

[@Thrian]

update after 6 years: there is a 12* map that somehow got ranked

[@meisum3557]

update: there's now 2 12* and Ranking a 10* is a viable achievement for more experienced mappers

[@Thrian]

@@meisum3557 wait what is the second map's name? i only know the map made by r3m aureole

[@meisum3557]

@@Thrian xeora actually just turn on the filter that list stuff by ranked - difficulty

[@HiICantPK]

"Anyone can make the next super hype 9* map, regardless of their playing skill" Inb4 that quote is used to justify every 9* shitmap that a firsttime mapper thinks is amazing

[@woundedstarzz]

also more recently, thekinghenry. Being a 6 digit with not even a 200 pp play. Mapping 10 minute maps with spaced streams and flow unimaginable. Honestly baffling

[@salty7416]

Where is Crack Traxxxx and Crescendo on that (0:54) list?

[@pishifat]

the list was made before crescendo was ranked and crack traxx broke visuals somehow so i got rid of it

[@Zeptonixmusic]

Hi, I'm from the future. We have two 12* ranked maps and none of the best players in the world can get a C rank on either of those. Oh, and everybody in the top 10 is quite comfortable with fcing 10*

[@rapeofficial]

Wrong

[@Zeptonixmusic]

@@rapeofficial true actually

[@blotas1904]

2:55 lowl, its a hand that talks lowl

[@ImagineBlaze]

Pishifat mapped in the wrong neighborhood 8)

[@Gusteivo]

how can you play with that cursor

[@Hobbes2]

What's your opinion on the newish rule that BNs have to be able to play a map in order to judge it properly? Not like that rule is enforced anyway lol

[@pishifat]

missing a bit of the rule there

[@Hobbes2]

Well yeah, full rule includes the clause that if the BN has significant enough modding experience then it's okay. I'm probably missing something else.

[@Darthsmith10]

Can someone do the video in which describe how Shelter map depicts movement in music video? i'd be happy if i saw that but i cant... i guess bcs im not a mapper ;P oh and what diff is the most appropriate to see this?

[@leancat3762]

ktgster's actually really good at osu

[@OrangeC7]

How do all of these videos apply directly to what I'm going through in osu right now? xD

[@Gathoderiz]

Pishi, when i watch a video you made in my bed it alway make me sleep You have a great voice dude i love u

[@tobeqz7065]

I'm left handen, do you think this will flip the things I find comfortable compared to others?

[@ExterTheLama]

i like shelter it's hard chalenging and give something new. i try to clear 4* but i didn't clear without NF but i steal trying because it s fun and i like the song. yé i love it

[@Chaoslitz]

I WANT THAT MOUSEPAD k luckily i didn't rank any 7* no one knows i am a bad player(

[@pishifat]

worst player in the bng

[@xDololow]

:thinking: If Cookiezi have #1 rank, he can rank 10+ stars map?

[@Haganenno121]

hey im not famous but i can treat you better than any other man :) please go out with me

[@44tharia46]

pishi is sexy

[@manasser99]

seriously what the fuck

[@harord]

mazzerin ma men! lov from Lithuania

[@septclues]

Are there any time attack/ speedrun possibilities for OSU? I am wondering if such a run would qualify for a submission to a Games Done Quick event.

[@pishifat]

i wouldn't be the one to ask for that stuff i think

[@septclues]

Perhaps, maybe another OSU enthusiast skimming through the comments may be eligible to provide assistance .

[@wan2shuffle]

I don't think so. A maps speed is already predetermined, it can't be done faster.

[@antipoison]

clone hero got in so dunno

[@Raaampage]

I can't time a single circle correctly in editing, why am I watching this video ._.

[@1stpronoob]

skin please

[@migalan999]

i have a question what about CTB maps?

[@pishifat]

what about ctb maps

[@migalan999]

in CTB i don's see something confortable or unconfortable any player who doesn't need skill to make a good play in a difficult map because CTB is based on the rhythm more than ability so my question is ¿where is the skill in CTB maps? ¿what is considered skill and what is considered luck or have the rhythmfor the song?

[@pishifat]

i've never played ctb so i dunno

[@jukuromein1990]

Thx for good advices on it. Anyway,did my name seems familiar? I bet your concepts does give good point of views.

[@cufoxowo6574]

can I have ur skin?

[@Fima993]

skin?

[@KanalYT2]

Whats the link to the list with the all the rankedmaps you had?

[@pishifat]

a modified version of docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KbDVxj8uFT43-6ZVN4LfHmYY6GJ_aUPbtXwaW72qIO4/edit#gid=0

[@KanalYT2]

thanks!

[@raynesylvania8541]

pishi for mapping president

[@theme20201]

oh hell yea ive made it to the big times at the bottom of the desc on a pish video

[@pishifat]

grats on winning owc

[@webcrawler8244]

Rip, 400pp no longer takes any skill :(

[@ffc2632]

2:16 #feels

[@kagetsu3083]

milan- is my favorite player tbh

[@pishifat]

meal on

[@BedrockSolid]

oh hey my name is at 3:06

[@Ardeact]

"Kite has nothing" I think 10 PP is alot

[@Gibbysaurio]

That's relative, for me anything under 200pp is clasified as nothing :d

[@meisum3557]

hey ekoro is a top player with #1 on preon xeora

[@00000ghcbs]

Hey, idk if it's just my idea but I've noticed a lot of good mappers arent very good at the game itself considering the amount of time spent playing

[@ssaturdayss]

are you the bob ross of osu!mapping

[@phtmgmer8750]

Skin

[@ivanveselov2910]

4:02 i'm ded

[@andrewnguyen4382]

SKIN PLS HEHEHE

[@itsMapleLeaf]

yeeeee boi

[@youtubepremiumenjoyer8820]

I like

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

I just map so that I like to play the map I dont care for others. And the only guy im playing osu with like them too so who cares o.O

[@dieblauebedrohung]

lol dat chatlog at 3:48 #staged

[@youtubepremiumenjoyer8820]

Kite got roasted

[@kite4931]

Well pishi is correct, I have no accomplishments worth mentioning as a player but that doesn't necessarily mean I am terrible at the game. It's no fun for me to try to farm for scores hence why most of my plays are from 2 years ago. For me it's just a lot more enjoyable to play maps and have fun listening to the music.

[@zygimantasklimaitis2667]

Lithuanian power bitches.

[@flaxiomus9141]

🤔

[@lendall00]

wtf is this cursor XD

[@exain3516]

Oh shit, im from lithuania like Mazzerin and i don't know shit about him lol XD

[@YMilkshake]

Azer maps explained

[@DeathlyDiJ]

a map that plays well doesnt mislead you by changing speeds and stuff that is impossible to SS first try

[@soaptastesalrightiguess7932]

gay If a song has a sound that warrants a change in speed (slider velocity, note snap distance, bpm, etc,) then there is no reason that it should be considered "bad' - They are doing a good job as a mapper by representing these sounds.

[@shi7282]

playmore mapmore

[@mathiasschoenning]

Stop roasting non-top players for "having nothing" it takes most people like 2 years to get a 200pp score. So yeah, "nothing", stop!

[@OfficialPyroh]

Mathias Kjeldgaard yea that triggered me too 😂

[@skhtrm]

2 years? Wtf

[@darkdecliner]

!!

[@MrCurryCH]

[@minusLipton]

skin ?

[@hadrian2801]

Skin?